Ok, I think I've got a silkworm making a nest in my brain and he's telling me Sloonei is bad. Let me take you on a journey, like that conveyor-belt 70's ride in the ball of Epcot.
In identifying Marmot, Sloonei gains that town cred and can take it a little easier on the backburner the rest of the game. He susses out Wilgy because he's been buddying Daisy and views her as strong town. He also viewed me as strong town too, but when people started coming after me, he didn't so much call me town as he used to- instead it was more of a 'i'd rather not lynch him now'. Subtle. More on this in a sec.
So he's firmly in the non-strex camp, because of his marmot sniffing. Then he goes after Wilgy, an inactive, and another Strex. goodie on him in hindsight.
But let's cut to the swap.
When we come over to Pikachu, there are 3 original Pikachus there- DH, sprityo, and Epi. We discover sprityo is a "townfirm" and DH keeps harping on that on D9. Then Boom, he dead that night. Why would mafia want to kill him? Well, for one, it's as anonymous as you can get- killing a townfirm doesn't technically implicate anyone, because people generally view him as confirmed town. BUT. DH then immediately calls that out and says one of the new guys killed him. Makes sense.
Now I'm not sure mafia was planning on the connection being made. And if they were, then they're in a not bad position, because now all they have to do is go along with it and agree. Because if you do start mechanically lynching Wilgy, Me, Kyle, Daisy and Sloonei in a line, you're probably going to find the mafia, but not before you get some mislynches in. If you're a betting man (or woman).
So Wilgy is lynched (-1 life) when we merge on D9, and on D10, speedchuck is lynched over Wilgy. This lynch is great if you don't want to take sides.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:07 pm
I'm not quite fully on board the speedchuck train right now. I've got ny boarding pass and I'm standing on the platform, but I'm hesitating there. Many signs point to him as bad. I take his effort in recent phases with a grain of salt for two reasons: first, he is speedchuck, and second, scum have about as much incentive to hunt as do civilians in a game with multiple scum teams. If the prevailing assumption about nutella flipping him is true then there's no question. But there could be mechanics we don't know of, somethin else could have prompted his flip, and it could be true. I don't know.
But the mystery of some unknown hypothetical isn't really good enough to move him to a town read for me.
His lynch feels more or less inevitable and I think we'd be right to do it. But I'm not certain and I don't want to do it carelessly.
Also
I feel plenty good about wilgy too. I don't mind lynching him first. I might be more confident about him.
I don't like the case against INH at all. His vote for wilgy yesterday was not really suspect and it would be the dumbest and most unnecessary slip up ever if that's really what it was. It's not.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:39 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:31 pm
@Sloonei I also believe speed looks very townie atm.
It’s what I would do if I wanted the town to trust me when all signs proverbially pointed to me being bad. I’d want to pick it up a notch and put forth my best effort.
He could be town, and in that case I’m super sorry that things are panning out this way.
If he’s good and we lynch him, the best thing he can do in any situation is leave us a legacy, like my uncle.
speedchuck is one of the best fakers i've ever played with.
For what it is worth
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:53 pm
Hey why are we all on wilgy now? This thread seems just be barreling down the path of least resistance right now. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but there's not a whole lot of critical discussion going on here. What's more fun and exciting than sound critical discussion?
WHO DO YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR???
When speed is mislynched:
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:21 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:18 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:13 pm
svs said this would happen
svs said a lot of things. Are you placing blame here or just lamenting?
Neither. Why would it have to be one of those two things?
THEN WHY BRING IT UP AT ALL?!
This is textbook playing both sides. If the lynch feels more or less inevitable, why not just vote for him? He even responds to me, calling speedchuck one of the best fakers he's ever played with. But it's safer, and looks better in the interim, if Sloonei instead does a continuation vote for Wilgy. No one will fault him for that, and if speed is good, that looks even better for him. If Wilgy is bad, then fan-fucking-tastic. It's a win-win.
But I am arguing that he took no strong stance at all in that lynch. Wishy-washy. Like eating a tide pod and wishing for death wishy washy.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:15 am
I've been less engaged with this game since the merge happened for a handful of RL reasons. I'll come back to it soon, but
I've also been feeling a bit complacent since that one day I was in Pikachu.
we still have lost more mafia than civilians in this game.
Fast forward to N10. Nothing happened! ooooooo 2spooky4me. It could be that no one submitted a NK, which would doubly increase Sloonei's narrative that a bad Wilgy inactive was Even, and would probably get Wilgy killed. It could also mean some other powers were at play, but who knows.
Sloonei knows.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:38 pm
[VOTE:
DrWilgy] aubergine
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:45 pm
Host post may suggest an inactive baddie team.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:29 pm
The host post mentions a mafia team failing to show up. I'm just tryna point that out, y'all.
Way to push the narrative.
But Wilgy is lynched D11 and ohhhh he's not an even. Back to the drawing board, though Sloonei now has caught TWO baddies! He must be super town now.
But there's still pushback about the whole Even's killing sprityo from people. Time to push that narrative:
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:07 am
I'll ask this again: what evidence is there that the Evens kill on even nights and strex on odd?
Nice and subtle, but it's a look-the-other-way and see if anyone looks with you. Maybe that can get the town off systematically lynching the only 4 real candidates of Kyle, Me, Daisy or Sloonei.
Nope, Daisy even wants to see it out. So Sloonei goes along.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:06 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:01 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:50 am
This is totally subjective on my part.
Let's start tossing out theories and punching holes in them, or finding things that back them up.
Here’s another one- Sloonei is an evil even.
We do still need to figure out who killed sprityo. I'm starting to think it might have been kyle.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:07 pm
But I say that with extreme hesitation and uncertainty. How do people feel about kyle?
"Could be Kyle, but it could also not be kyle. Someone else take the lead, because I don't want to go down this path"
He makes some comments that make me want to chuckle out loud (col) on account of the blatant hypocrisy:
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:00 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:28 am
ebwop, also Sloonei has said I was his on;y bad read from when he watched us. But this is his first mention of it, or me (other than in passing about the Speed lynch) since the tribes merged.
Wonder why supaciv did not mention his one bad read in front of me? This was his one mention of it, when he got to Pikachu, but he did not say why and he did not bring it up again.
Am I suspicious for not mentioning it to you earlier?
Also I have not been supaciv in this thread.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:13 pm
I am glad I'm not alone in disliking that comment. Not only because it's directed toward me, but because of how unsubstantiated it is. Sig first states that he wants to "even the playing field" (what?) by lynching me (what?), and then
after that vaguely alludes to a suspicion against me which has existed all game long but never been substantiated in any meaningful way. I get that that's kind of sig's thing, but he's been making comments like that about me all game without ever backing them up.
That said, I have no interest in defending myself because,
in my own humble opinion, I think I look town as fuck and any suspicion against me is paranoid tinfoiling or a blatant fabrication. Lynching me might help some people, but I'd rather not lose a life over that.
Someone really doesn't want to go down this path of lynching.
Right out of the gate on D12, he votes DDL. Why? I dunno, and neither does Sloonei. But it's putting focus away from the whole Pikachu 2.0 Even conspiracy and not taking any firm stances.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:10 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:02 pm
Commander Sloonei
What brought about your idea
That Mii is evil?
It's not a fully assured idea yet, but it stems from process of elimination when looking at the Pikachu 2.0 crew. Same as what brought me to suspect wilgy earlier. If we assume that the Evil Evens killed sprityo, then there must have been an Even in Pikachu with us.
It is possible that we've been on the wrong path about this and that strex kills on even nights while the Evens kill on odd nights. It is counter-intuitive, but that might be the point. If it weren't for the theory about evens killing sprit, I'd probably not suspect anyone from Pikachu 2.0.
I should look back and see if there was any resistance to the nutella suspicion before she got blown up.
Again, pushing this narrative.
He tried, but many people are looking to go down that path. He eventually caves and starts posting like he's doing work again:
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:45 pm
So we can assume there is an Even among these people:
Epginosis
Kylemii
Scotty
Sloonei
Spacedaisy
excluded sprityo because I don't think he killed himself.
This would also mean that the configuration of Pikachu 2.0 was 2 evens vs 2 strex vs 6 townies. (or x-number of townies vs x-number of indies, if we wanna go down that rabbit hole). And we still managed to eliminate two baddies in one day.
and then votes kyle. But the thing is, no one is really biting on kyle- they all want me dead.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:17 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:15 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:01 am
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:40 pm
Feel worse about
[VOTE:
Scotty] aubergine than DDL now.
tell me why.
and what's kyle got that scotty doesn't?
I think Scotty used his interaction post as a means to lynch INH, not as an actual attempt to develop an informed read.
i dunno about kyle. he's not been on my radar. Should I be more worried about him than Scotty?
Maybe. Maybe not. Scotty would be my second choice among that group.
"but guyyysss, Scotty is my 2nd choice, let's stick the firrrrst choice, Kyle, who is maybe bad probably?"
Now see this is where I should be #grateful because he stuck his neck out for me here. But did he, really? He did, after all, say I was the 2nd choice. Not really a soaring recommendation. You know what else this reminds me of? speedchuck/wilgy lynch of D11. Verrrry similar, aint it?
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:10 pm
I don't really want to lynch scotty
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:51 pm
[VOTE:
sig] aubergine
i'm doing thangs today. don't want to lynch scotty.
awww. He doesn't really want to lynch me -> doesn't want to lynch me. I think this is genuine. You know why? Because the longer he can delay one of Kyle, Me, Daisy or himself, the longer he won't have to be put on the gallows himself when it goes mislynch after mislynch.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:42 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:34 pm
I'm kind of confused as to why you are trying so hard to force the Evens to kill on odd nights. All of the evidence points to otherwise.
It's mostly due to me struggling to find either Scotty or Kyle seriously suspicious.
Now I would be remiss and hypocritical if I didn't mention that I also was attempting to steer away from the Pikachu 2.0 sprityo theory yesterday. I did, absolutely, because I felt more thread-based evidence was to be gained from linking Wilgy and Marmot to someone else. If Strex was all on Bidoof 1.0, then we're bound to find at least another Strex on that tribe. Which I think is INH, but that's for another time.
I think today, to nip this in the bud, and because I'm feeling very strongly this case, I'd push for a Sloonei lynch today.
Vote Sloonei aubergine