The Syndicate

^Right. Colin was probably more of an option. Point is, it looked chaotic and not like an environmemt to put a safe distance or bus vote in. Plus, the whole «he should try harder» tell lingers on Nova being town. Or at least not mafia. I’m realizing there’s two third parties also that may or may not be a threat. That is when no reveal flips sucks and I don’t know what to do with that. Looking for Lunamates mainly.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:47 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:45 pm nova and Bullzeye were both voting for me. Before Luna's vote nova had nutella, Sloonei, Colin, Jay and my own feelings about doing the same. I stopped counting at post 657.

Looks like a bus to me, pals.

I do not follow your logic to make this a bus.

In your own post you said that nova would be a suitable Day 1 bus. With (at least) 4 votes already stacked on him I don't think it's unreasonable for Luna to come in, see the wagon, and then throw hers onto the pile.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?

Her first mention of nova is also uninspiring (hi quin).

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:50 pm ^Right. Colin was probably more of an option. Point is, it looked chaotic and not like an environmemt to put a safe distance or bus vote in. Plus, the whole «he should try harder» tell lingers on Nova being town. Or at least not mafia. I’m realizing there’s two third parties also that may or may not be a threat. That is when no reveal flips sucks and I don’t know what to do with that. Looking for Lunamates mainly.

I didn't really think about Colin. [mention]Sloonei[/mention] You were floating him as a candidate, but did he ever actually have much traction as a wagon early on in the day?

I hate my brain. Getting hung up in remembering Luna’s phrasing. Something like «if he (Nova) is town he could be trying harder». The «could» is so odd there. Why not should.

Am I crazy?

I’m all team let’s have Marmot or Simon for lynch though.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:55 pm I hate my brain. Getting hung up in remembering Luna’s phrasing. Something like «if he (Nova) is town he could be trying harder». The «could» is so odd there. Why not should.

Am I crazy?

idk. her use of "wait," in that one post i brought up is doing all kinds of things to me.

semantics squad hi-5

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:56 pm I’m all team let’s have Marmot or Simon for lynch though.

They're both sitting null in my rainbow. I'll read what Sloonei had to say about them I suppose.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:00 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:56 pm I’m all team let’s have Marmot or Simon for lynch though.

They're both sitting null in my rainbow. I'll read what Sloonei had to say about them I suppose.

Also read their jump on the Luna wagon. It’s all -

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:54 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:50 pm ^Right. Colin was probably more of an option. Point is, it looked chaotic and not like an environmemt to put a safe distance or bus vote in. Plus, the whole «he should try harder» tell lingers on Nova being town. Or at least not mafia. I’m realizing there’s two third parties also that may or may not be a threat. That is when no reveal flips sucks and I don’t know what to do with that. Looking for Lunamates mainly.

I didn't really think about Colin. @Sloonei You were floating him as a candidate, but did he ever actually have much traction as a wagon early on in the day?

Colin had some traction but not a lot. By the end of the day he was a distant memory on the fringes of the discussion.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 8:46 pm I believe the imprisoner is town. Keeping maybe half of the reason to myself, here's what I'll say about it.

This site has a history of giving silenced players the benefit of the doubt the day they're silenced. I was almost lynched Day 1, so you could say that being imprisoned effectively protected me from yesterday's lynch. This is also the reason why it's unlikely that they're scum. I suppose it's possible that if they're bad they foresaw a Luna lynch incoming or didn't like my pursuit of her and wanted to silence me, but she wasn't in a terrible position at the time.

If this is the case, tell the Im prisoner not to do me any fucking favors.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:45 pm nova and Bullzeye were both voting for me. Before Luna's vote nova had nutella, Sloonei, Colin, Jay and my own feelings about doing the same. I stopped counting at post 657.

Looks like a bus to me, pals.

Hmm.

Why does Luna feel the need to do that? If I’m bad and a train forms out of nowhere, I don’t jump on it regardless of it being a teammate or a townie.

But relatively new players might feel the need to be on a teammate’s wagon. If it was a townie, shouldn’t she stay off and let Nova get lynched? She doesn’t give a hoot about lynching any 1 of the 3 townies and the case on Nova was the weakest.

I could see this move as teammate indicative.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:42 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:37 pm nova was leading before I gained all that traction at the end. Luna was (presumably - she didn't use a vote tag) the last vote on him before all that but she voted for him before I said the thing all you losers piled up on.

That's a bus.

disagree. that's a bloodthirsty scum trying to make an easy lynch happen.
ur town too though.

Also I'm cooling off on my sprit case a little but not completely yet. I still don't like his case on me, but that doesn't have to mean he's bad.

It was already an easy lynch by my count.

Right. It isn’t better to lynch townie Nova than townie Eloh or townie Quin. It’s not shark behavior.

This makes some sense

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:55 pm I hate my brain. Getting hung up in remembering Luna’s phrasing. Something like «if he (Nova) is town he could be trying harder». The «could» is so odd there. Why not should.

Am I crazy?

I personally think could is just weaker than should in this context. Is that helpful?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:00 am This makes some sense

Do you remember the vote count better? I don’t remember the count at the time. If Colin had more for instance, this could be a bad train of thought. (Mafiauniverse’s vote count feature that lets you see the vote count as of a certain vote is amazing btw.)

Like say the next biggest train wasn’t Eloh (pretty sure it was) or Quin but actually Colin. Eloh may have been protecting Colin, not bussing Nova, which is why I ask.

Think Eloh was ahead though.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:07 am Like say the next biggest train wasn’t Eloh (pretty sure it was) or Quin but actually Colin. Eloh may have been protecting Colin, not bussing Nova, which is why I ask.

Think Eloh was ahead though.

Do you mean Luna?

It opens a door for scum Colin if that's the case.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:57 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:45 pm nova and Bullzeye were both voting for me. Before Luna's vote nova had nutella, Sloonei, Colin, Jay and my own feelings about doing the same. I stopped counting at post 657.

Looks like a bus to me, pals.

Hmm.

Why does Luna feel the need to do that? If I’m bad and a train forms out of nowhere, I don’t jump on it regardless of it being a teammate or a townie.

But relatively new players might feel the need to be on a teammate’s wagon. If it was a townie, shouldn’t she stay off and let Nova get lynched? She doesn’t give a hoot about lynching any 1 of the 3 townies and the case on Nova was the weakest.

I could see this move as teammate indicative.

Oh? That's not how I remember your playstyle. Trying to catch up this morning, and this caught me off guard as feeling very wrong for Jack.

Jack is town imo.

Still considering the angles that Luna was or wasn't using re: Nova, Bullz and Simon, I haven't unpacked all that yet.

Still think Marmot looks the worst. Especially Luna's "I don't like Marmot" very early in the game, maybe trying to establish some distance right off the bat. And then Marmot's behavior yesterday speaks for itself imo. A save attempt gone wrong.

No posts from Marmot today. I would have liked to heard something resembling a defense. Oh well. Back to house hunting.

Can we get a rez for Nutella plz

So we have 8 players who haven’t posted at all this day phase. I don’t mean to be pouty about it, and life happens and all that. But if any of you are town, and some have to be - get the duck in here and do something. Anything.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:15 am So we have 8 players who haven’t posted at all this day phase. I don’t mean to be pouty about it, and life happens and all that. But if any of you are town, and some have to be - get the duck in here and do something. Anything.

agreed. it's playing a game with cardboard cutouts at this rate

some people havent posted since day 1

We don't need em

We're all still on our own pet suspicions. We should start condensing.

Wouldn't mind a bullzeye lynch tho. He's voting Sloonei again which means I don't think his activity yesterday comes from a civ perspective. Otherwise, I don't understand why he voted Luna yesterday when he had a perfectly good chance to lynch his boy sloon

[mention]Simon[/mention] did your scummy friends tell you who to vote for?

Quick Simon ISO

Simon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:13 pm I vote Colin because spoons said so!

Votes for Colin Day 1, deferring to me. I don't mind this vote from Simon. I believe he's only got limited time to access the thread, so he's gonna have to defer to the case he finds most preferable. Not knowing the alignments of just about everyone who was on the lynching block Day 1, this vote is more or less NAI for me right now. I could make arguments either way, but it would all be pure speculation.

Simon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:39 pm also, side-eye at everyone treating this as a mislynch right now when that information has not been revealed, and there's a weird ass dangling orange G

What are you talking about mega , mega man can not be bad You're talking nonsense.

Sloonei, do you still think Colin is bad?

Jack, why did you vote coliniscool?

I'll see what I can do to help catch a baddie next time.

Comes back after the lynch to ask a couple questions specifically about Colin. So far Colin has been his primary focus. Interesting but, again, without knowing what Colin's alignment was, it is difficult to say much about this.
Simon, why did you want to talk about Colin so much?

Simon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:35 pm Hello !!! so I am just joining a vote Lunalee band wagon since she has 8 votes.

Here's the vote that people have latched onto. In the limited context of Simon's few other posts, this does not look quite as terrible as it's being made out to be. On Day 1 Simon deferred to me on his vote, and then later asked me to follow up on my read. This indicates that he has perhaps identified me as a player that he trusts. Given that Luna and I were the only two lynch trains yesterday, it makes complete sense that that Simon would opt to vote for Luna. The timing of it, again, is something that I see more as a factor of his availability.
That said, his wording is not entirely inspiring. For instance he does not mention me in his vote, which runs counter to the theory that his goal is to lynch Not Sloonei. Instead he specifies that he's following the bandwagon on Luna, which... isn't as inspiring, I guess.

I feel like Luna's treatment of Simon is the more condemning aspect of the case against him. If I'm going to vote for him, it's because of that rather than Simon's own posts. But even that is far from definitive IMO.

looking at marmot next.

What if Simon vigged Colin?

I can't think of anyone else who would. Nobody had that strong a suspicion toward him. But I've been scum with Simon in the past, and what little input he has in the game tends to be very... direct? Impulsive? Without second thought? I can totally see him going "Oh, I have a one-shot vig. What point is there waiting to use it? The guy I voted for didn't get lynched. Let's kill him."

Just a thought.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Although Simon did vote for Marmot without posting and I could totally kill him for that.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:58 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:07 am Like say the next biggest train wasn’t Eloh (pretty sure it was) or Quin but actually Colin. Eloh may have been protecting Colin, not bussing Nova, which is why I ask.

Think Eloh was ahead though.

Do you mean Luna?

It opens a door for scum Colin if that's the case.

Yeah, meant Luna.

Like Simon, I notice some interesting interactions with/about me in Marmot's post history. I'm so vain, I think this game is about me.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:11 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:54 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:32 pm This is an even worse result than the Day 1 result.

You are so evil and villainous and it offends me that you survived day one.

Please move past this.

You are asking me to play the game in ignorance of all my intuition and instincts?

Just kill me. Dr Manhattan taking out Rorschach style.

I think he's just asking you to ignore him, not your own intuition.

This post seems vaguely supportive but it's not really clear what point he's making. It seems like he's trying to temper Mac's exaggerated suspicion of me.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:28 am speedchuck, I notice you took it for granted that Sloonei didn't read the rules while accusing Bullzeye of feigning ignorance. Why?

This post also has my name in it. Sandwiched in between these two Marmot posts are a bunch of innocuous posts where the most substantial thing he says is that he intends to ISO Colin and Jay. This post seems less to be about making a point than about asking a question to Speedchuck. It's not a bad one, and he continues the line of inquiry a bit afterward. He is evidently more focused on Bullzeye here, trying to get to the bottom of speedchuck's suspicion of him. If Marmot is scum, I could see this as either a good or bad look for Bullzeye. On the one hand, Marmot is calling a significant amount of attention to his potential partner in Bullzeye, and I'm not sure how likely that would be. On the other, this could be a simple distancing ploy.
Or, Marmot is town and just wanted to know what was up with speedchuck's case.

This is where the real support of me starts. We're late in the day here, ~3 hours prior to the deadline I believe. Marmot's been relatively silent and he jumps in here with a seeming predisposition in favor of me. He's careful not to be uncritically on my side, though, as he throws in a little comment about my defensiveness at the end. Something about this post reads a little too easy to me. I'd been harping all day about the belief that I thought scum were trying to frame me as bad. Marmot comes in late and does not hesitate to do the exact opposite of that. While I appreciate it at face value, I can't help but be skeptical in retrospect.

Accused sprit of tunneling. This again feels a bit too easy. Marmot's responses to the case against me are very one-note: the case is misguided. I don't know what I did to earn this level of trust.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:54 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:49 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:43 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:49 pm I can't hunt right now and really shouldn't be posting at all. But I've made lots of posts on other subjects. This is just the thing that caught my attention and bothered me when I woke up this morning. If you want to see other things, I invite you to look at my post history. There's stuff there that's not this.

Also I disagree that self-defense isn't hunting. I am trying to understand sprityo just as much as I am trying to clear my own name.

Who are you and what have you done with supaSloondog?

supaSloondog has been replaced by supaSchooldog.

Is that why you asked sprityo to bus you?

This is one of the posts that people are reading as weird. I can kind of see it. Never before has anybody implicated that sprit and I are partners. This clearly is not meant to be taken seriously, but the idea of sprit and I orchestrating a hardcore distancing ploy comes completely out of leftfield here, and completely ignores the very substantial Luna wagon that he'll eventually flop onto.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:31 pm [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

Counter-counter wagon engaged!

Votes for sprit. I'm generally appreciative of an open mindset and a willingness to consider new suspects, even at pivotal/late moments in a phase. But the concern here is not unreasonable. Luna, as we now know, was bad. Marmot has not even touched the case against her, focusing all of his energy on simultaneously defending me/criticizing sprityo. This both runs counter the proposed theory of Sloonei being the target of scum framing, and serves to indirectly protect Lunalee.
Outside of my acknowledgment, this "counterwagon" never gained any steam

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:31 pm [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

Counter-counter wagon engaged!

I like the vote and would be willing to entertain it. But it seems people are not budging from the two established wagon at the moment. Care to expand on why this your vote?

Because his suspicion of you is circumstantial, and his treatment of you henceforth is based on that predetermined idea. This is based on only a few posts as I'm not fully caught up.

As for a Sloonei vote, I'm mildly interested. sprityo's concern was that you're pushing the narrative (which is not uncommon from you), but I haven't seen that in what I;ve read.

What I have not seen yet are reasons for Lunalee votes. Can anyone point me to those? Turnip Head, care to give a reason why I should force a tie with my vote?

Elaborates on his sprit vote and then tells us that he hasn't seen the case against Lunalee, which seems odd because I remember posting my version of it like five different times during the phase, and several other presented their own lengthy arguments as well. If Marmot was reading the thread enough to be well-versed in Wagon 1, I don't see how he could have missed Wagon 2 entirely.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:39 pm I really like that post from Sloonei more than I like the case against him. Unfortunately, I don't have time to read the link you posted Sloonei.

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

No ties please (don't listen to turnipface).

Here's his final post up to now. He casts his vote for Lunalee at least despite still not being aware of the case against her. He references a specific post of mine that he likes, but I'm not sure which one. It doesn't seem like he should need to justify his defense of me given the prior evidence in his post history, so his introductory sentence here feels a little awkward and out of place.

Marmot's ISO is wonky as hell, even for him. I see what his thoughts are, but I have trouble figuring out where they come from or why he has them.
[mention]Marmot[/mention] my questions for you are: Why was it so easy for you to defend me on Day 2? Why was sprit your primary candidate? And how was it that you were reading the thread without any awareness of the case against Lunalee?

also if you come back to us today, it'd be helpful if you told us who you think we should lynch and stuff.

Based on those ISOs I'd rather vote Marmot than Simon. I'll leave my vote on Simon for now, though, in the interest of keeping the poll from getting too lopsided.

Alright good talk. I won't be around for end of day, so I moved my vote to Marmot.

Is this too easy? idk

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:57 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:31 pm [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

Counter-counter wagon engaged!

Votes for sprit. I'm generally appreciative of an open mindset and a willingness to consider new suspects, even at pivotal/late moments in a phase. But the concern here is not unreasonable. Luna, as we now know, was bad. Marmot has not even touched the case against her, focusing all of his energy on simultaneously defending me/criticizing sprityo. This both runs counter the proposed theory of Sloonei being the target of scum framing, and serves to indirectly protect Lunalee.
Outside of my acknowledgment, this "counterwagon" never gained any steam

Would anyone be this blatant about defending teammates though?

[VOTE: Simon] aubergine

IDK

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:57 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:31 pm [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

Counter-counter wagon engaged!

Votes for sprit. I'm generally appreciative of an open mindset and a willingness to consider new suspects, even at pivotal/late moments in a phase. But the concern here is not unreasonable. Luna, as we now know, was bad. Marmot has not even touched the case against her, focusing all of his energy on simultaneously defending me/criticizing sprityo. This both runs counter the proposed theory of Sloonei being the target of scum framing, and serves to indirectly protect Lunalee.
Outside of my acknowledgment, this "counterwagon" never gained any steam

Would anyone be this blatant about defending teammates though?

Marmot might

Nova would be an interesting alternative wagon if we lose interest in Marmot & Simon. Or we could still do more digging through interactive reads with luna to find out more. There hasn’t been much of that today.

I have a harder time seeing Marmot's behavior through a civ lens than a baddie one.

Sloonei if you look through Luna I will read your findings

Or Luna interactions or w/e, I'm too lazy to do it

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:26 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:58 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:10 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:10 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:07 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:06 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:59 am I think nutella is a civ. Jack is a civ. Wilgy civ. Jay civ. Quin civ.

nutella, wilgy, and quin?

you first

plz explain

you have 13 posts but have said nothing. i wanna know how you feel about nutella, wilgy and quin.

This is one of Quin's posts that I didn't like. He's victim of what he's accusing kyle of doing, "having said nothing". That's what I'm getting from his posts and all his questioning. He's just fake-agressive and trying to appear that he's driving conversation. It's also present in his interaction with JJJ and alien where he's questioning the Town reads of one to the other and their thoughts on it

Catching liars has caught me one scum already.

That's no lie

I am loving Nova's minimalistic game. Dude doesn't give a shit

marmot's behavior does look wonky as hell

idk, i mean there's the stuff sloonei said, but there's also the end of day 3 stuff he did in response to my saying I didn't like the case on sloonei. it didn't make sense why he promoted his sprityo wagon even though Luna had the next most votes, and he didn't seem to have vocalized any reason beforehand to not want to vote for Luna.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:31 pm [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

Counter-counter wagon engaged!

I like the vote and would be willing to entertain it. But it seems people are not budging from the two established wagon at the moment. Care to expand on why this your vote?

Because his suspicion of you is circumstantial, and his treatment of you henceforth is based on that predetermined idea. This is based on only a few posts as I'm not fully caught up.

As for a Sloonei vote, I'm mildly interested. sprityo's concern was that you're pushing the narrative (which is not uncommon from you), but I haven't seen that in what I;ve read.

What I have not seen yet are reasons for Lunalee votes. Can anyone point me to those? Turnip Head, care to give a reason why I should force a tie with my vote?

it's the sentiments in this post that bug me, he has conflicting feelings about sloonei and sprityo, and doesn't know what the case against lunalee is, but then after he asks about it doesn't really seem to put any work into finding out what the answers to that is.

sorry this isn't in the form of nsfw mega man fan fiction, im trying to level up my zubat so i can beat Whitney.

what is everyone off doing at 4pm on a Sunday? are you guys playing pokemon too

I switched on to Simon, to make this a sporting two-train lynch! [VOTE: Simon] aubergine

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:59 pm what is everyone off doing at 4pm on a Sunday? are you guys playing pokemon too

I was playing Magic at a new set prerelease today, then home for dinner, and I'm glad it didn't take me to beyond the lynch deadline!