The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:10 pm I think llama and mongoose coordinated their moves yesterday. I think they deliberately tried to pocket Mac by puffing up his case on nova.

If I’m boiling it down to one issue that makes me think it’s llama/mongoose instead of llama/mac, that’s it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:23 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:22 pm Yeah, that's what I said. Nova's initial ping was THE BEGINNING of his case against me. I never said he leapt into it immediately scum-reading me. I said it was the thin end of the wedge designed to gradually ramp up a case against me in a way that looked organic. Nothing in Nova's post up there^ discredits my position on this.

What if I say I don't know what the inorganic part is?

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:10 pm I think llama and mongoose coordinated their moves yesterday. I think they deliberately tried to pocket Mac by puffing up his case on nova.

If I’m boiling it down to one issue that makes me think it’s llama/mongoose instead of llama/mac, that’s it.

Coordinating our moves makes me think of Llama and I being on a dance floor together, which seems rather unlikely.

In theory, the idea of Llama and I being on a baddie team (or any team) sounds quite twee, but here's how that dialogue would go of us trying to formulate a plan.

Me: Okay, I am going to say this. You back me up by saying this.

Him: Don't tell me what to do.

Me: You're being unreasonable.

Him: You're being unreasonable.

Me: Fine say whatever you want.

///

That dialogue above would also work if you swapped out the names.


Also, super soz I haven't been around today. I have felt super ratty and ended up sleeping most of the day or eating a lot of red meat.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:10 pm I think llama and mongoose coordinated their moves yesterday. I think they deliberately tried to pocket Mac by puffing up his case on nova.

If I’m boiling it down to one issue that makes me think it’s llama/mongoose instead of llama/mac, that’s it.

I am buying a llama is bad theory but I'm still having trouble with Mongoose. Llama himself game me the best reason I've seen to doubt her which is her personality is a good cover for a scum role.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:10 pm I think llama and mongoose coordinated their moves yesterday. I think they deliberately tried to pocket Mac by puffing up his case on nova.

If I’m boiling it down to one issue that makes me think it’s llama/mongoose instead of llama/mac, that’s it.

Coordinating our moves makes me think of Llama and I being on a dance floor together, which seems rather unlikely.

In theory, the idea of Llama and I being on a baddie team (or any team) sounds quite twee, but here's how that dialogue would go of us trying to formulate a plan.

Me: Okay, I am going to say this. You back me up by saying this.

Him: Don't tell me what to do.

Me: You're being unreasonable.

Him: You're being unreasonable.

Me: Fine say whatever you want.

///

That dialogue above would also work if you swapped out the names.


Also, super soz I haven't been around today. I have felt super ratty and ended up sleeping most of the day or eating a lot of red meat.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:23 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:22 pm Yeah, that's what I said. Nova's initial ping was THE BEGINNING of his case against me. I never said he leapt into it immediately scum-reading me. I said it was the thin end of the wedge designed to gradually ramp up a case against me in a way that looked organic. Nothing in Nova's post up there^ discredits my position on this.

What if I say I don't know what the inorganic part is?

The inorganic part is the initial ping. I don't believe that a civilian would be pinged by me repeating a consistent read on them throughout Night 1. Remember, I subbed in after Day 1, so I didn't have as long to meditate on my reads as other players had. I think it was a phony ping, designed to begin a larger case, and that's what I find inorganic.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:42 am Quite an entrance from Llama dude. Not bad

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:29 pm Yep, just like a civilian would not develop a read on someone with over 300 posts but rather always keep them neutral as to leave options open. Doing so using, or milking should I say, a NOT AT ALL phony ping about "Hi! I'm Nova and I'm tired of losing".

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:33 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:23 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:22 pm Yeah, that's what I said. Nova's initial ping was THE BEGINNING of his case against me. I never said he leapt into it immediately scum-reading me. I said it was the thin end of the wedge designed to gradually ramp up a case against me in a way that looked organic. Nothing in Nova's post up there^ discredits my position on this.

What if I say I don't know what the inorganic part is?

The inorganic part is the initial ping. I don't believe that a civilian would be pinged by me repeating a consistent read on them throughout Night 1. Remember, I subbed in after Day 1, so I didn't have as long to meditate on my reads as other players had. I think it was a phony ping, designed to begin a larger case, and that's what I find inorganic.

I do not get this impression. I can see nova being pinged by it. You brought up multiple times his initial post in the game as the potential foundation of a larger case (much like you're accusing him of doing). After this happened a few times, nova took notice and began to wonder why this was a significant issue to you, and why you had not dug deeper into the case than that. As he says, he's been near the very top in content volume in this game since you got here. As I see it, you initiated this entire exchange, so it seems every bit as reasonable, if not more so, to say that you were the one planting seeds for a larger case later.

Also, for the record, this was his first mention of you:

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:42 am Quite an entrance from Llama dude. Not bad

How do we reconcile that with "nova wanted to plant seeds against llama from the beginning"?

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:37 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:29 pm Yep, just like a civilian would not develop a read on someone with over 300 posts but rather always keep them neutral as to leave options open. Doing so using, or milking should I say, a NOT AT ALL phony ping about "Hi! I'm Nova and I'm tired of losing".

You didn't have 300 posts at the time. And having a lot of posts does not make you civilian. The fact that you think it does is insulting to the intelligence of everyone here.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:37 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:29 pm Yep, just like a civilian would not develop a read on someone with over 300 posts but rather always keep them neutral as to leave options open. Doing so using, or milking should I say, a NOT AT ALL phony ping about "Hi! I'm Nova and I'm tired of losing".

You didn't have 300 posts at the time. And having a lot of posts does not make you civilian. The fact that you think it does is insulting to the intelligence of everyone here.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:45 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:40 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:46 pm I have 300 posts in this game. Anyone that thinks I'm bad is crazy lol.

Because mafia never post a lot.

nova's not usually a 300-posts-in-2-Days kinda guy. This is an unusually high volume of content from him.

I'll always vouch at least a little bit for content volume as a potential alignment indicator. I know first hand how difficult it is to fake an extremely high level of participation.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:37 pm I read nova as town. It's not that I can't see the possibility of him being civilian, it's that we're at 4 vs 2 situation right now and for the duration of this game he's struck me as a civilian in tone and content, and I've not come across a single argument that has convinced me otherwise. I'm happy to continue talking about him because if he's fooling me, I would like to be able to see it. But so far I do not.
After Mac's response to the Day 2 lynch, I have extreme difficulty viewing him as mafia as well. Juliets is as close to confirmed town as a player can be.

I arrived at Mongoose/llama as a scum pairing before I had removed Mac from my POE, and all the while have been unable to argue for a scum nova. I just don't see it.

Does anybody suspect me to any serious degree at this stage?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:37 pm I read nova as town. It's not that I can't see the possibility of him being *mafia*, it's that we're at 4 vs 2 situation right now and for the duration of this game he's struck me as a civilian in tone and content, and I've not come across a single argument that has convinced me otherwise. I'm happy to continue talking about him because if he's fooling me, I would like to be able to see it. But so far I do not.
After Mac's response to the Day 2 lynch, I have extreme difficulty viewing him as mafia as well. Juliets is as close to confirmed town as a player can be.

I arrived at Mongoose/llama as a scum pairing before I had removed Mac from my POE, and all the while have been unable to argue for a scum nova. I just don't see it.

Does anybody suspect me to any serious degree at this stage?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:40 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:37 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:29 pm Yep, just like a civilian would not develop a read on someone with over 300 posts but rather always keep them neutral as to leave options open. Doing so using, or milking should I say, a NOT AT ALL phony ping about "Hi! I'm Nova and I'm tired of losing".

You didn't have 300 posts at the time. And having a lot of posts does not make you civilian. The fact that you think it does is insulting to the intelligence of everyone here.

Content volume should definitely be a factor in our reads.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:45 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:40 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:46 pm I have 300 posts in this game. Anyone that thinks I'm bad is crazy lol.

Because mafia never post a lot.

nova's not usually a 300-posts-in-2-Days kinda guy. This is an unusually high volume of content from him.

I'll always vouch at least a little bit for content volume as a potential alignment indicator. I know first hand how difficult it is to fake an extremely high level of participation.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:33 pm

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:01 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:58 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:41 pm I don't like how Luna's voters aren't considering the matrix episode at all.

I misread the matrix at first as well. I haven't played this type of game in a couple of years. I agree it's worth considering, but I just can't believe a civ would have made the post I highlighted from Luna.

I also misread it. I was begging anyone early on in the game to explain how a matrix worked, so I didn't get it until literally the moment when i was posting such in the thread.

I've literally never seen matrix in a game before, so thought we used the whole 3x3 since they are nearly that many players (at the start anyway).

Mongoose, I am reading your ISO and didn't see any posts in the game where you are begging people to explain the matrix. Did I miss that? I'm worried that you maybe begged your partner in btsc to explain it to you.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:51 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:33 pm

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:01 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:58 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:41 pm I don't like how Luna's voters aren't considering the matrix episode at all.

I misread the matrix at first as well. I haven't played this type of game in a couple of years. I agree it's worth considering, but I just can't believe a civ would have made the post I highlighted from Luna.

I also misread it. I was begging anyone early on in the game to explain how a matrix worked, so I didn't get it until literally the moment when i was posting such in the thread.

I've literally never seen matrix in a game before, so thought we used the whole 3x3 since they are nearly that many players (at the start anyway).

Mongoose, I am reading your ISO and didn't see any posts in the game where you are begging people to explain the matrix. Did I miss that? I'm worried that you maybe begged your partner in btsc to explain it to you.

it may have been the abbreviations I asked about instead. I didn't get the matrix until right around Luna did, which is why I believed her on that item. I still don't know what LYLO/MYLO stands for, but I think I know enough what it means. I figured out EOD easily enough, but there's the POE thing that I've still not managed to suss out that acronym. I figured out GTH means Go to Hell after I saw enough examples.

I'm still getting caught up on the thread, but I'm going to pause here for some yoga since I skipped yesterday.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:11 pm Point number 2 here is Sloonei making a point about Mongoose and llama. Below that is Mongoose's response.


Sloonei: "2. They've both expressed vague soft sort-of-suspicion of each other but not for a second has either one seriously pursued the other as a candidate"

Mongoose: "There were seemingly better candidates. I was far from the only person to suspect Luna. The game is young."

Mongoose, it may only be N2 but I think almost everyone has made the point that we (the civs) are now in a critical situation, and were in that critical situation before the Day 2 Lynch. One more lynched civ and the Mafia have won the game. Why would you use "The game is young" to explain why you haven't answered to llama's suspicions?

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:51 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:33 pm

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:01 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:58 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:41 pm I don't like how Luna's voters aren't considering the matrix episode at all.

I misread the matrix at first as well. I haven't played this type of game in a couple of years. I agree it's worth considering, but I just can't believe a civ would have made the post I highlighted from Luna.

I also misread it. I was begging anyone early on in the game to explain how a matrix worked, so I didn't get it until literally the moment when i was posting such in the thread.

I've literally never seen matrix in a game before, so thought we used the whole 3x3 since they are nearly that many players (at the start anyway).

Mongoose, I am reading your ISO and didn't see any posts in the game where you are begging people to explain the matrix. Did I miss that? I'm worried that you maybe begged your partner in btsc to explain it to you.

it may have been the abbreviations I asked about instead. I didn't get the matrix until right around Luna did, which is why I believed her on that item. I still don't know what LYLO/MYLO stands for, but I think I know enough what it means. I figured out EOD easily enough, but there's the POE thing that I've still not managed to suss out that acronym. I figured out GTH means Go to Hell after I saw enough examples.

I'm still getting caught up on the thread, but I'm going to pause here for some yoga since I skipped yesterday.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:51 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:33 pm

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:01 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:58 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:41 pm I don't like how Luna's voters aren't considering the matrix episode at all.

I misread the matrix at first as well. I haven't played this type of game in a couple of years. I agree it's worth considering, but I just can't believe a civ would have made the post I highlighted from Luna.

I also misread it. I was begging anyone early on in the game to explain how a matrix worked, so I didn't get it until literally the moment when i was posting such in the thread.

I've literally never seen matrix in a game before, so thought we used the whole 3x3 since they are nearly that many players (at the start anyway).

Mongoose, I am reading your ISO and didn't see any posts in the game where you are begging people to explain the matrix. Did I miss that? I'm worried that you maybe begged your partner in btsc to explain it to you.

it may have been the abbreviations I asked about instead. I didn't get the matrix until right around Luna did, which is why I believed her on that item. I still don't know what LYLO/MYLO stands for, but I think I know enough what it means. I figured out EOD easily enough, but there's the POE thing that I've still not managed to suss out that acronym. I figured out GTH means Go to Hell after I saw enough examples.

I'm still getting caught up on the thread, but I'm going to pause here for some yoga since I skipped yesterday.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:17 pm Ok, I didn't post any more points on Mongoose besides the final two because I was concentrating on the big picture. I don't like that she has let llama call her bad without standing up to him like she stood up to dunya. I'm worried about that post that looks like a slip but will wait for her to explain it. And I don't understand her comment about the game is young but will wait for her to explain it. I can at least conceive of a bad Mongoose but I don't have on my happy face while considering it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:45 pm Is Mongoose/Nova compatiblegh?

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:55 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:11 pm Point number 2 here is Sloonei making a point about Mongoose and llama. Below that is Mongoose's response.


Sloonei: "2. They've both expressed vague soft sort-of-suspicion of each other but not for a second has either one seriously pursued the other as a candidate"

Mongoose: "There were seemingly better candidates. I was far from the only person to suspect Luna. The game is young."

Mongoose, it may only be N2 but I think almost everyone has made the point that we (the civs) are now in a critical situation, and were in that critical situation before the Day 2 Lynch. One more lynched civ and the Mafia have won the game. Why would you use "The game is young" to explain why you haven't answered to llama's suspicions?

I am so used to side games (I don't think they are perhaps called this) and full games where it's not uncommon to have a slow build. This is literally the first heist I've ever played unless I played one many moons ago when they were new.

I probably meant to do a Luna iso/read and just ran out of time. That's been a real problem with a lot of things lately (not just mafia). I definitely owe you a Llama IsO/heavy read and I have not forgotten.

Linki Nova- Thank you!!

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:05 pm Ok ugh. Mongoose sounds so sincere to me. I will go back in her ISO and look for her to be begging people to explain something whether it's MYLO/LYLO or something else. I don't remember anything offhand but I need to look.

My brain is fried. I'm checking out and will start reading nova in the morning after I check Mongoose's ISO.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:05 pm Ok ugh. Mongoose sounds so sincere to me. I will go back in her ISO and look for her to be begging people to explain something whether it's MYLO/LYLO or something else. I don't remember anything offhand but I need to look.

My brain is fried. I'm checking out and will start reading nova in the morning after I check Mongoose's ISO.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:05 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:02 pmNice.

Why is mac town now?

He ain't on my book, but he's the lighter red amongst my PoE. While I've been making fun of the plan he had, I'm having trouble seeing why a baddie mac would go through the effort of coming up with it. I also felt like our interactions after last night's flip were genuine, peeps laying it all down, going at it trying to solve the game. His reaction was all right when he got overwhelmed, so that's a plus. I'm disappointed though that he didn't come back to "destroy" us like he promised lol.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:01 pm @thellama73 you've talked about nova most of the day. I'm interested in your reads on everybody else now.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:01 pm @ you've talked about nova most of the day. I'm interested in your reads on everybody else now.

I also talked a lot about Mongoose during the day. I am confident that she and Nova are bad. I agree that Juliets is a confirmed civ. I looked hard for evidence of you being bad and didn't find it. It is remotely possible that Mac is bad, but I don't believe he is. Everyone else is dead.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:40 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:37 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:29 pm Yep, just like a civilian would not develop a read on someone with over 300 posts but rather always keep them neutral as to leave options open. Doing so using, or milking should I say, a NOT AT ALL phony ping about "Hi! I'm Nova and I'm tired of losing".

You didn't have 300 posts at the time. And having a lot of posts does not make you civilian. The fact that you think it does is insulting to the intelligence of everyone here.

Content volume should definitely be a factor in our reads.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:45 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:40 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:46 pm I have 300 posts in this game. Anyone that thinks I'm bad is crazy lol.

Because mafia never post a lot.

nova's not usually a 300-posts-in-2-Days kinda guy. This is an unusually high volume of content from him.

I'll always vouch at least a little bit for content volume as a potential alignment indicator. I know first hand how difficult it is to fake an extremely high level of participation.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:40 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:37 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:29 pm Yep, just like a civilian would not develop a read on someone with over 300 posts but rather always keep them neutral as to leave options open. Doing so using, or milking should I say, a NOT AT ALL phony ping about "Hi! I'm Nova and I'm tired of losing".

You didn't have 300 posts at the time. And having a lot of posts does not make you civilian. The fact that you think it does is insulting to the intelligence of everyone here.

Content volume should definitely be a factor in our reads.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:45 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:40 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:46 pm I have 300 posts in this game. Anyone that thinks I'm bad is crazy lol.

Because mafia never post a lot.

nova's not usually a 300-posts-in-2-Days kinda guy. This is an unusually high volume of content from him.

I'll always vouch at least a little bit for content volume as a potential alignment indicator. I know first hand how difficult it is to fake an extremely high level of participation.

Sorry, I think this is dumb. Have you never played with a baddie Epignosis or a baddie MP? They drown the thread in posts when bad. I have seen talkative baddies too many times to clear someone because he has 300 posts. And I think the fact thta he keeps bringing it up is super lame, because it doesn't prove anything.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:40 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:37 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:29 pm Yep, just like a civilian would not develop a read on someone with over 300 posts but rather always keep them neutral as to leave options open. Doing so using, or milking should I say, a NOT AT ALL phony ping about "Hi! I'm Nova and I'm tired of losing".

You didn't have 300 posts at the time. And having a lot of posts does not make you civilian. The fact that you think it does is insulting to the intelligence of everyone here.

Content volume should definitely be a factor in our reads.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:45 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:40 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:46 pm I have 300 posts in this game. Anyone that thinks I'm bad is crazy lol.

Because mafia never post a lot.

nova's not usually a 300-posts-in-2-Days kinda guy. This is an unusually high volume of content from him.

I'll always vouch at least a little bit for content volume as a potential alignment indicator. I know first hand how difficult it is to fake an extremely high level of participation.

Sorry, I think this is dumb. Have you never played with a baddie Epignosis or a baddie MP? They drown the thread in posts when bad. I have seen talkative baddies too many times to clear someone because he has 300 posts. And I think the fact thta he keeps bringing it up is super lame, because it doesn't prove anything.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:11 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:45 pm Is Mongoose/Nova compatiblegh?

Yes. Go read my ISO of Nova's interactions with Mongoose.

I did. It's good.

What about mine?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:47 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:11 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:45 pm Is Mongoose/Nova compatiblegh?

Yes. Go read my ISO of Nova's interactions with Mongoose.

I did. It's good.

What about mine?

Your what?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:40 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:01 pm @ you've talked about nova most of the day. I'm interested in your reads on everybody else now.

I also talked a lot about Mongoose during the day. I am confident that she and Nova are bad. I agree that Juliets is a confirmed civ. I looked hard for evidence of you being bad and didn't find it. It is remotely possible that Mac is bad, but I don't believe he is. Everyone else is dead.

Walk me through mac and mongoose reads.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:10 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:32 pm >Wasted her 1-shot
>Almost got lynched
>Got Killed immediately

The town confirm plan's gotta be the scam of the year lol.

This is such basic bitch logic. If we didn't get her outed she'd be priority lynch candidate and one of the other major town voices would be dead. We are in suuuuuch a better situation than that. Basic ass motherfucker.

My counter point would be we could have just believed her ya know. But that's an actually very good point, I'm impressed Mac.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:25 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:45 pm I brought it up once. Where are you getting "keep bringing it up"?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:46 pm The other times I brought up the number of my post is about you not dinging into them and developing a read, not them having a bearing on my alignment.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:50 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:10 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:32 pm >Wasted her 1-shot
>Almost got lynched
>Got Killed immediately

The town confirm plan's gotta be the scam of the year lol.

This is such basic bitch logic. If we didn't get her outed she'd be priority lynch candidate and one of the other major town voices would be dead. We are in suuuuuch a better situation than that. Basic ass motherfucker.

My counter point would be we could have just believed her ya know. But that's an actually very good point, I'm impressed Mac.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:25 pm

Why do you keep belittling me like you're some Mafia savant?

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:10 pm I think llama and mongoose coordinated their moves yesterday. I think they deliberately tried to pocket Mac by puffing up his case on nova.

If I’m boiling it down to one issue that makes me think it’s llama/mongoose instead of llama/mac, that’s it.

Coordinating our moves makes me think of Llama and I being on a dance floor together, which seems rather unlikely.

In theory, the idea of Llama and I being on a baddie team (or any team) sounds quite twee, but here's how that dialogue would go of us trying to formulate a plan.

Me: Okay, I am going to say this. You back me up by saying this.

Him: Don't tell me what to do.

Me: You're being unreasonable.

Him: You're being unreasonable.

Me: Fine say whatever you want.

///

That dialogue above would also work if you swapped out the names.


Also, super soz I haven't been around today. I have felt super ratty and ended up sleeping most of the day or eating a lot of red meat.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:50 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:40 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:01 pm @ you've talked about nova most of the day. I'm interested in your reads on everybody else now.

I also talked a lot about Mongoose during the day. I am confident that she and Nova are bad. I agree that Juliets is a confirmed civ. I looked hard for evidence of you being bad and didn't find it. It is remotely possible that Mac is bad, but I don't believe he is. Everyone else is dead.

Walk me through mac and mongoose reads.

Okay, my Mongoose read is basically based around her being blendy for the whole game. No strong reads, no strong cases, lots of wishy-washiness, lots of excuses, and most of all an eagerness to please when called out. She has cited your wishes as a reason to "do better", which I find suspicious. She seems very eager to look good and play into expectations. She mentioned modifying her playstyle early on. I find that weird. I don't modify my playstyle. She has been coasting and failing to ruffle any feathers, even when she comes under suspicion. She plays more defense than offense, which I associate with baddies because saying "I'm not bad" is easier than making a fake case on someone you know to be good. Also, the tone of a few of her posts has seemed contrived and inauthentic to me.

As for Mac, it's the exact opposite. He came in guns a blazing, not afraid to throw out "I'm positive x is bad" reads all over the place. He appears to have no concern about drawing attention to himself or trying to cover himself should he turn out to be wrong about anything. He throws caution to the wind. A particularly bold and confident baddie could potentially pull this off, but it's incredibly hard to do convincingly. If his teammate is Nova, then he has an ability to conjure up fake outrage and energy that I have rarely seen. If he is bad, I think Mongoose is more likely to be his teammate for this reason.