World Flags Mafia GAME OVER - TOWN WINS

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So wait, Luna defended Dunya in a meh way and Dunya defended Luna in a meh way?

Do you feel dunya's defenses of Luna are meh?

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: lunalee] aubergine

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine

Because he thinks it's a good idea to lynch dunya on day 1.
Also so he can get to work planning lover's mafia. That would be quite amusing.

Isn’t you thinking it’s a good idea to lynch me D1 equally problematic?

If I'm avoiding lynching high-posters, then probably yeah. Tell me why you're voting dunya though.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention]

[Epignosis]

I finally pick myself up off the floor in this game and you guys create like 10 new pages while I’m asleep.
It’s not my fault I slept til 1 in the afternoon.

This is my gripe. Jesus, the days I have the least to do, people say very little, and I go to work, work after work, and it's ten pages of what a goddamned salad is. Come on.

[MacDougall]

So wait, Luna defended Dunya in a meh way and Dunya defended Luna in a meh way?

Do you feel dunya's defenses of Luna are meh?

Yes though it could just be confirmation bias given my current sentiment. I especially don't like how she made a point to note that Lunalee always defends her. Could easily be trying to pre-empt this exact accusation.

[Jackofhearts2005]

why is it not a good idea to lynch me day 1?

Because you have contributed a lot of discussion to the thread. Keeping people talking is very helpful to figuring things out, and lynching you right now would only hurt town (regardless of your alignment).

But what if she’s mafia?

Doesn’t this strategy literally always lead to a town loss by preserving the danciest wolves?

yeah, okay. let's lynch all the loudest thread voices just in case they are scum.

How bout we try to figure out who is scum?

I'm thinking that's a good idea.

Okay. Let me know when you wanna start.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

[Sloonei]

I finally pick myself up off the floor in this game and you guys create like 10 new pages while I’m asleep.
It’s not my fault I slept til 1 in the afternoon.

This is my gripe. Jesus, the days I have the least to do, people say very little, and I go to work, work after work, and it's ten pages of what a goddamned salad is. Come on.

Let's hope we never dub something a "player sandwich" when Quin is around.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine

Because he thinks it's a good idea to lynch dunya on day 1.
Also so he can get to work planning lover's mafia. That would be quite amusing.

Isn’t you thinking it’s a good idea to lynch me D1 equally problematic?

If I'm avoiding lynching high-posters, then probably yeah. Tell me why you're voting dunya though.

@MacDougall

Yeah this is not really a good look. It's quite overt for w/w though. But it still doesn't make sense for a civilian to be so firmly defending someone.

[Epignosis]

There's no way I'm going to make it. I have too much going on.

[Epignosis]

I'm on page 31. Spark Notes please.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

[Sloonei]

There is significantly less time remaining than I thought. [mention]novaselinenever[/mention] do you have those nutella citations yet?

As things currently stand, I'd vote DDL purely to save Mac. Mac's town. DDL is null at best. I'd prefer either half of Lunachuck.

[MacDougall]

Lol I just voted myself into the lead.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm on page 31. Spark Notes please.

I recommend you skim over Mac's most recent stuff and make a decision on him.

Here's Quin too. Not much to see.

Sloonei and I just posted beefs with Lunalee, and Mac/Jack have expounded.

[dunya]

Jay didn't quote the biggest reason I town read Luna.

[novaselinenever]

There is significantly less time remaining than I thought. @novaselinenever do you have those nutella citations yet?

As things currently stand, I'd vote DDL purely to save Mac. Mac's town. DDL is null at best. I'd prefer either half of Lunachuck.

I'm working on her defense of others citations. Please ISO her. Read on you is Page 1, instances I talked about and read on Jack are on Page 2 and 3 towards the beginning.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay didn't quote the biggest reason I town read Luna.

Please state it or share it, hurry.

[nutella]

[VOTE: ddl] aubergine bc Mac looks to be in danger again and ddl is my most lynchable preferred target. Luna is meh, if y'all think the case is strong enough do what makes you happy but I'm not at all convinced that she's bad for thinking dunya is town.

[Sloonei]

I'm on page 31. Spark Notes please.

Mac is town. Don't vote for him.
DDL has produced a lot of words with relatively little content. The same can be said of speedchuck.

I'll go dig up the luna case in another post.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm on page 31. Spark Notes please.

Sloonei on Luna

JJJ on Luna

[novaselinenever]

@JaggedJimmyJay @Sloonei @nutella and anybody else who gives a shit...

If you can find evidence where:

A player is pressuring another player
Another player comes along and defends the accused
That defense doesn't sit right with you or make a whole lot of sense

I believe you will find Mafia who have done this during this phase. Potentially even mafia defending mafia.

Nutella is guilty of two counts.

[citation needed]

The Mafia are Epi, JJJ, Dunya, Jack, Sloonei and Nutella.

Gameset.

Has there ever been a game where all of the mafia were the top posters? I don't think so. This is exposure bias. You are forgetting that there are several low-lying players in this game who could easily have scum role cards and have not had occasion to bare themselves in the open yet. The day 1 thread environment so far has funneled attention onto a few select people, making it a piece of cake for others to slide by unscrutinized.

Why are people voting for dunya lol

Anyway this tie is stupid and probably town/town. But if it doesn't change I could vote for Mac because I have no compelling reason to think he's necessarily town while I do townread pou.

Man why the hell are y'all lynching pou
Like I really don't want to lynch Mac now either, but pou really shouldn't be in the lead. What a pathetic poll

Her defense of Pou,

The Mac wagon is understandable. I cannot tell you why he’s a civilian.

I am rather uninspired by that option though. It makes me shrug.

I agree with this sentiment

Not sure how I feel about pou yet. I both liked and disliked things from both her and sloonei in that exchange. I think sloonei is still below her in my estimation.

Not sure how I feel about pou yet. I both liked and disliked things from both her and sloonei in that exchange. I think sloonei is still below her in my estimation.

What things?

I agreed with pou's "filtered" read of sloonei. I agreed with sloonei's criticism of pou's minimal-to-zero explanation of her other reads. I liked your and Colin's point that her maintained stances didn't seem to allow for development or reconsideration, but I'm not convinced that makes her bad yet. She feels genuine to me and it could just be her style to stick to her initial gut reads and keep a bias against those people.

[dunya]

Spoiler: show

I feel like I need to pick a side to break the Pou/Mac tie. Mac looks pretty good, but he's been silent the past few pages where as pou has been actively defending herself. Regardless of alignment, that always makes someone look worse. But I don't think she's scum for it.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

I sense some mental gymnastics happening here to end up with a vote on the lead wagon.

This is my favorite point. I wasn't a fan of that post of hers.

nah, that's one of the towniest posts she has. she's definitely one with experience and it felt like lunalee related with pou. do you know how many times a game lunalee gets to be on the defensive side of a game and everything she says is flipped around? i've never seen a game where it hasn't happened, repeatedly. even after the woman role claims she's still suspected and has to defend her decisions and posts.

if anything, that post made me feel like civ lunalee is feeling sorry for someone who's actively trying to defend herself and falling on deaf ears. macdougall isn't even trying to defend. i like her rationale very much.

[Sloonei]

There is significantly less time remaining than I thought. @novaselinenever do you have those nutella citations yet?

As things currently stand, I'd vote DDL purely to save Mac. Mac's town. DDL is null at best. I'd prefer either half of Lunachuck.

I'm working on her defense of others citations. Please ISO her. Read on you is Page 1, instances I talked about and read on Jack are on Page 2 and 3 towards the beginning.

You've got ~20 minutes.

[MacDougall]

I feel like I need to pick a side to break the Pou/Mac tie. Mac looks pretty good, but he's been silent the past few pages where as pou has been actively defending herself. Regardless of alignment, that always makes someone look worse. But I don't think she's scum for it.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

This argument is horse poop.

Mac is sleeping. And how is defending yourself a civ tell?

Look I know I am the person in question but DDL is right. That Lunalee post is garbage.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: ddl] aubergine bc Mac looks to be in danger again and ddl is my most lynchable preferred target. Luna is meh, if y'all think the case is strong enough do what makes you happy but I'm not at all convinced that she's bad for thinking dunya is town.

Sloonei made a new observation that I found compelling. She voiced suspicion of ts account for building a circle of trust despite having herself recently adopted "the JJJ approach" for POE as she referred to it. I don't get why that was a problem for her.

[Epignosis]

I'm on page 31. Spark Notes please.

I recommend you skim over Mac's most recent stuff and make a decision on him.

Here's Quin too. Not much to see.

Sloonei and I just posted beefs with Lunalee, and Mac/Jack have expounded.

Most recent stuff? That's everything he's posted, isn't it?

You read it, didn't you? Can you not summarize it for me?

[MacDougall]

I feel very good about everyone who is scrambling right now Epi included.

[nutella]

There is significantly less time remaining than I thought. @novaselinenever do you have those nutella citations yet?

As things currently stand, I'd vote DDL purely to save Mac. Mac's town. DDL is null at best. I'd prefer either half of Lunachuck.

I'm working on her defense of others citations. Please ISO her. Read on you is Page 1, instances I talked about and read on Jack are on Page 2 and 3 towards the beginning.

What do you mean by my read on jack? My views on him have changed a few times over the course of the game. I currently lean town on him.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Spoiler: show

I feel like I need to pick a side to break the Pou/Mac tie. Mac looks pretty good, but he's been silent the past few pages where as pou has been actively defending herself. Regardless of alignment, that always makes someone look worse. But I don't think she's scum for it.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

I sense some mental gymnastics happening here to end up with a vote on the lead wagon.

This is my favorite point. I wasn't a fan of that post of hers.

nah, that's one of the towniest posts she has. she's definitely one with experience and it felt like lunalee related with pou. do you know how many times a game lunalee gets to be on the defensive side of a game and everything she says is flipped around? i've never seen a game where it hasn't happened, repeatedly. even after the woman role claims she's still suspected and has to defend her decisions and posts.

if anything, that post made me feel like civ lunalee is feeling sorry for someone who's actively trying to defend herself and falling on deaf ears. macdougall isn't even trying to defend. i like her rationale very much.

Why did she feel obligated to vote for either Mac or poutanko?

[MacDougall]

If DDL and Lunalee are Mafia they aren't teammates because DDL eviscerated her there for no reason.

[dunya]

I'm on page 31. Spark Notes please.

I recommend you skim over Mac's most recent stuff and make a decision on him.

Here's Quin too. Not much to see.

Sloonei and I just posted beefs with Lunalee, and Mac/Jack have expounded.

Most recent stuff? That's everything he's posted, isn't it?

You read it, didn't you? Can you not summarize it for me?

[Sloonei]

My beefs with Lunalee:

Spoiler: show

If there's a player who's not receiving enough attention, who is it?

I cased Lunalee earlier. Responses to that varied. Go take a look. Otherwise I need to take my own look.

This does not look like the same Lunalee who was just mislynched in IASIP. She seems much more nonchalant this time around, which isn't much of a tell in itself. I could see it being a response to a scum rolecard, but I don't need to see it that way. This post raises my eyebrows:

I feel like I need to pick a side to break the Pou/Mac tie. Mac looks pretty good, but he's been silent the past few pages where as pou has been actively defending herself. Regardless of alignment, that always makes someone look worse. But I don't think she's scum for it.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

There is an expressed sense of obligation to produce a read that doesn't feel natural or necessary. The read itself feels like it sort of stumbles along to an unfinished conclusion ("x always makes someone look worse, but not this time.")

I'd be more inclined to lynch Luna than Quin or Mac. #saveaustralia

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine bc at least he already has a vote and so does ddl bit I'm less decided on ddl

are you up to speed with sloonei's latest contributions?

Yes, as I said I had mixed feelings about his exchange with pou but he's still a net negative. His three isos in a row overnight felt a bit like forcing himself to look town/like he's hunting and just showing some busy work.

ooh, you know I sort of thought the same thing when I saw those random ISOs.

"sort of thought" is a pretty timid way to frame this accusation. Care to expand on your sort of read of me, Luna?

I'm twenty pages behind, so I'm voting Poutanko because ties are fun.

Now I'll start trying to actually catch up.

I feel like DF could have given the reason, "Because I'm scum and couldn't care less who gets lynched," and it would read the same way.

Light shade of DF. I don't hate this, but it lacks a definitive stance. @Lunalee GTH read on DF, go.

Would it be terrible for me to vote ts account on Day 1 in the first game I've ever played with them? Because I'm really tempted. Looking through their posts just gave me a bad feeling.
1. they immediately started forming a "trust circle"
2. this post:

So relateable. Hit me with your suspicions.

dunya, sloonei, nutella all seem vaguely scummy but I'm missing a lot of context

I noted dunya calling out specifically nutella about their read on jack of hearts when I'm not sure if nutella/jack of hearts has any specific relevance to dunya (or whether it should)

3. followed by this vote:

[VOTE: leetic] aubergine

Calling out people as good or scummy with no real reasons looks like something mafia would do.

Spoiler: show

Let us review Lunalee's recent entrace in IASIP (in which she was town):

I think I'll try Jay's "find the town instead of the scum" strategy this game. I think it will be easier for me.

Why is this strategy acceptable for Jay and Luna, but not ts account?

She has since plopped an unexplained vote on DDL and nothing else. I'd like it if Luna came here and explained some things. Are Lunachuck bad again? (congrats again on the big news tho. really happy for you two. scum.)

[Epignosis]

I feel very good about everyone who is scrambling right now Epi included.

Or better yet, I can get it straight from the horse's mouth.

[MacDougall]

Interestingly they both defended Dunya firmly.

[MacDougall]

I feel very good about everyone who is scrambling right now Epi included.

Or better yet, I can get it straight from the horse's mouth.

In summary, I am town. Get your vote off me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Most recent stuff? That's everything he's posted, isn't it?

You read it, didn't you? Can you not summarize it for me?

I can in very basic terms. I think he is exhibiting the sort of urgency right now that is necessary for a solver, not merely someone who is trying to survive.

[nutella]

[VOTE: ddl] aubergine bc Mac looks to be in danger again and ddl is my most lynchable preferred target. Luna is meh, if y'all think the case is strong enough do what makes you happy but I'm not at all convinced that she's bad for thinking dunya is town.

Sloonei made a new observation that I found compelling. She voiced suspicion of ts account for building a circle of trust despite having herself recently adopted "the JJJ approach" for POE as she referred to it. I don't get why that was a problem for her.

That's a decent point.

[Epignosis]

I have no context for anything that has transpired over the past eight hours. Help me out.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Devil’s advocate, here.

Luna had never townread a scummate until SHP.

[Sloonei]

There is significantly less time remaining than I thought. @novaselinenever do you have those nutella citations yet?

As things currently stand, I'd vote DDL purely to save Mac. Mac's town. DDL is null at best. I'd prefer either half of Lunachuck.

I'm working on her defense of others citations. Please ISO her. Read on you is Page 1, instances I talked about and read on Jack are on Page 2 and 3 towards the beginning.

What do you mean by my read on jack? My views on him have changed a few times over the course of the game. I currently lean town on him.

Read on lunalee, go.

[novaselinenever]

There is significantly less time remaining than I thought. @novaselinenever do you have those nutella citations yet?

As things currently stand, I'd vote DDL purely to save Mac. Mac's town. DDL is null at best. I'd prefer either half of Lunachuck.

I'm working on her defense of others citations. Please ISO her. Read on you is Page 1, instances I talked about and read on Jack are on Page 2 and 3 towards the beginning.

You've got ~20 minutes.

You're killing me.

[dunya]

Spoiler: show

I feel like I need to pick a side to break the Pou/Mac tie. Mac looks pretty good, but he's been silent the past few pages where as pou has been actively defending herself. Regardless of alignment, that always makes someone look worse. But I don't think she's scum for it.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

I sense some mental gymnastics happening here to end up with a vote on the lead wagon.

This is my favorite point. I wasn't a fan of that post of hers.

nah, that's one of the towniest posts she has. she's definitely one with experience and it felt like lunalee related with pou. do you know how many times a game lunalee gets to be on the defensive side of a game and everything she says is flipped around? i've never seen a game where it hasn't happened, repeatedly. even after the woman role claims she's still suspected and has to defend her decisions and posts.

if anything, that post made me feel like civ lunalee is feeling sorry for someone who's actively trying to defend herself and falling on deaf ears. macdougall isn't even trying to defend. i like her rationale very much.

Why did she feel obligated to vote for either Mac or poutanko?

Why has anyone ever broken a tie? Maybe she believed they couldn't both be two leading town bandwagons. I dont know. I dont suspect her for it.

[Epignosis]

Long Con voted Quin. Why did he do that and what has he said?

[Epignosis]

I suppose I can look that up myself.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Long Con voted Quin. Why did he do that and what has he said?

"for fun" were his words.

[MacDougall]

The way DDL voted for me and then defended me from Lunalee... I don't think he's Mafia. I don't want him lynched. I want Lunalee lynched.

Linki: Dunya is scrambling to save Lunalee. Noted.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why has anyone ever broken a tie? Maybe she believed they couldn't both be two leading town bandwagons. I dont know. I dont suspect her for it.

There were multiple hours remaining in the day phase. Who cares about a tie?

[MacDougall]

[mention]nutella[/mention] why DDL over Lunalee?

[dunya]

You guys lynch Luna. I'm firmly not lynching Luna.