The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:15 pm So wait, Luna defended Dunya in a meh way and Dunya defended Luna in a meh way?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:29 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:24 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:22 pm [VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine

Because he thinks it's a good idea to lynch dunya on day 1.
Also so he can get to work planning lover's mafia. That would be quite amusing.

Isn’t you thinking it’s a good idea to lynch me D1 equally problematic?

If I'm avoiding lynching high-posters, then probably yeah. Tell me why you're voting dunya though.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:40 pm I finally pick myself up off the floor in this game and you guys create like 10 new pages while I’m asleep.
It’s not my fault I slept til 1 in the afternoon.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:16 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:15 pm So wait, Luna defended Dunya in a meh way and Dunya defended Luna in a meh way?

Do you feel dunya's defenses of Luna are meh?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:11 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:57 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:55 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:47 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:45 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:32 pm
why is it not a good idea to lynch me day 1?

Because you have contributed a lot of discussion to the thread. Keeping people talking is very helpful to figuring things out, and lynching you right now would only hurt town (regardless of your alignment).

But what if she’s mafia?

Doesn’t this strategy literally always lead to a town loss by preserving the danciest wolves?

yeah, okay. let's lynch all the loudest thread voices just in case they are scum.

How bout we try to figure out who is scum?

I'm thinking that's a good idea.

Okay. Let me know when you wanna start.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:40 pm I finally pick myself up off the floor in this game and you guys create like 10 new pages while I’m asleep.
It’s not my fault I slept til 1 in the afternoon.

This is my gripe. Jesus, the days I have the least to do, people say very little, and I go to work, work after work, and it's ten pages of what a goddamned salad is. Come on.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:17 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:29 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:24 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:22 pm [VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine

Because he thinks it's a good idea to lynch dunya on day 1.
Also so he can get to work planning lover's mafia. That would be quite amusing.

Isn’t you thinking it’s a good idea to lynch me D1 equally problematic?

If I'm avoiding lynching high-posters, then probably yeah. Tell me why you're voting dunya though.

@MacDougall

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:19 pm I'm on page 31. Spark Notes please.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:20 pm There is significantly less time remaining than I thought. @novaselinenever do you have those nutella citations yet?

As things currently stand, I'd vote DDL purely to save Mac. Mac's town. DDL is null at best. I'd prefer either half of Lunachuck.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:22 pm Jay didn't quote the biggest reason I town read Luna.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:19 pm I'm on page 31. Spark Notes please.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:19 pm I'm on page 31. Spark Notes please.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:10 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:05 pm @JaggedJimmyJay @Sloonei @nutella and anybody else who gives a shit...

If you can find evidence where:

A player is pressuring another player
Another player comes along and defends the accused
That defense doesn't sit right with you or make a whole lot of sense

I believe you will find Mafia who have done this during this phase. Potentially even mafia defending mafia.

Nutella is guilty of two counts.

[citation needed]

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:06 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:28 am The Mafia are Epi, JJJ, Dunya, Jack, Sloonei and Nutella.

Gameset.

Has there ever been a game where all of the mafia were the top posters? I don't think so. This is exposure bias. You are forgetting that there are several low-lying players in this game who could easily have scum role cards and have not had occasion to bare themselves in the open yet. The day 1 thread environment so far has funneled attention onto a few select people, making it a piece of cake for others to slide by unscrutinized.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:50 pm Why are people voting for dunya lol

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:54 pm Anyway this tie is stupid and probably town/town. But if it doesn't change I could vote for Mac because I have no compelling reason to think he's necessarily town while I do townread pou.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:48 pm Man why the hell are y'all lynching pou
Like I really don't want to lynch Mac now either, but pou really shouldn't be in the lead. What a pathetic poll

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:37 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:08 am The Mac wagon is understandable. I cannot tell you why he’s a civilian.

I am rather uninspired by that option though. It makes me shrug.

I agree with this sentiment

Not sure how I feel about pou yet. I both liked and disliked things from both her and sloonei in that exchange. I think sloonei is still below her in my estimation.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:08 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:38 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:37 am Not sure how I feel about pou yet. I both liked and disliked things from both her and sloonei in that exchange. I think sloonei is still below her in my estimation.

What things?

I agreed with pou's "filtered" read of sloonei. I agreed with sloonei's criticism of pou's minimal-to-zero explanation of her other reads. I liked your and Colin's point that her maintained stances didn't seem to allow for development or reconsideration, but I'm not convinced that makes her bad yet. She feels genuine to me and it could just be her style to stick to her initial gut reads and keep a bias against those people.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:24 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:16 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:00 pm

Spoiler: show

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:18 am I feel like I need to pick a side to break the Pou/Mac tie. Mac looks pretty good, but he's been silent the past few pages where as pou has been actively defending herself. Regardless of alignment, that always makes someone look worse. But I don't think she's scum for it.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

I sense some mental gymnastics happening here to end up with a vote on the lead wagon.

This is my favorite point. I wasn't a fan of that post of hers.

nah, that's one of the towniest posts she has. she's definitely one with experience and it felt like lunalee related with pou. do you know how many times a game lunalee gets to be on the defensive side of a game and everything she says is flipped around? i've never seen a game where it hasn't happened, repeatedly. even after the woman role claims she's still suspected and has to defend her decisions and posts.

if anything, that post made me feel like civ lunalee is feeling sorry for someone who's actively trying to defend herself and falling on deaf ears. macdougall isn't even trying to defend. i like her rationale very much.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:23 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:20 pm There is significantly less time remaining than I thought. @novaselinenever do you have those nutella citations yet?

As things currently stand, I'd vote DDL purely to save Mac. Mac's town. DDL is null at best. I'd prefer either half of Lunachuck.

I'm working on her defense of others citations. Please ISO her. Read on you is Page 1, instances I talked about and read on Jack are on Page 2 and 3 towards the beginning.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:00 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:18 am I feel like I need to pick a side to break the Pou/Mac tie. Mac looks pretty good, but he's been silent the past few pages where as pou has been actively defending herself. Regardless of alignment, that always makes someone look worse. But I don't think she's scum for it.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

This argument is horse poop.

Mac is sleeping. And how is defending yourself a civ tell?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:23 pm [VOTE: ddl] aubergine bc Mac looks to be in danger again and ddl is my most lynchable preferred target. Luna is meh, if y'all think the case is strong enough do what makes you happy but I'm not at all convinced that she's bad for thinking dunya is town.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:22 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:19 pm I'm on page 31. Spark Notes please.

I recommend you skim over Mac's most recent stuff and make a decision on him.

Here's Quin too. Not much to see.

Sloonei and I just posted beefs with Lunalee, and Mac/Jack have expounded.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:23 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:20 pm There is significantly less time remaining than I thought. @novaselinenever do you have those nutella citations yet?

As things currently stand, I'd vote DDL purely to save Mac. Mac's town. DDL is null at best. I'd prefer either half of Lunachuck.

I'm working on her defense of others citations. Please ISO her. Read on you is Page 1, instances I talked about and read on Jack are on Page 2 and 3 towards the beginning.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:24 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:24 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:16 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:00 pm

Spoiler: show

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:18 am I feel like I need to pick a side to break the Pou/Mac tie. Mac looks pretty good, but he's been silent the past few pages where as pou has been actively defending herself. Regardless of alignment, that always makes someone look worse. But I don't think she's scum for it.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

I sense some mental gymnastics happening here to end up with a vote on the lead wagon.

This is my favorite point. I wasn't a fan of that post of hers.

nah, that's one of the towniest posts she has. she's definitely one with experience and it felt like lunalee related with pou. do you know how many times a game lunalee gets to be on the defensive side of a game and everything she says is flipped around? i've never seen a game where it hasn't happened, repeatedly. even after the woman role claims she's still suspected and has to defend her decisions and posts.

if anything, that post made me feel like civ lunalee is feeling sorry for someone who's actively trying to defend herself and falling on deaf ears. macdougall isn't even trying to defend. i like her rationale very much.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:25 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:22 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:19 pm I'm on page 31. Spark Notes please.

I recommend you skim over Mac's most recent stuff and make a decision on him.

Here's Quin too. Not much to see.

Sloonei and I just posted beefs with Lunalee, and Mac/Jack have expounded.

Most recent stuff? That's everything he's posted, isn't it?

You read it, didn't you? Can you not summarize it for me?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:25 pm I feel very good about everyone who is scrambling right now Epi included.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:25 pm I feel very good about everyone who is scrambling right now Epi included.

Or better yet, I can get it straight from the horse's mouth.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:25 pmMost recent stuff? That's everything he's posted, isn't it?

You read it, didn't you? Can you not summarize it for me?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:24 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:23 pm [VOTE: ddl] aubergine bc Mac looks to be in danger again and ddl is my most lynchable preferred target. Luna is meh, if y'all think the case is strong enough do what makes you happy but I'm not at all convinced that she's bad for thinking dunya is town.

Sloonei made a new observation that I found compelling. She voiced suspicion of ts account for building a circle of trust despite having herself recently adopted "the JJJ approach" for POE as she referred to it. I don't get why that was a problem for her.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:25 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:23 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:20 pm There is significantly less time remaining than I thought. @novaselinenever do you have those nutella citations yet?

As things currently stand, I'd vote DDL purely to save Mac. Mac's town. DDL is null at best. I'd prefer either half of Lunachuck.

I'm working on her defense of others citations. Please ISO her. Read on you is Page 1, instances I talked about and read on Jack are on Page 2 and 3 towards the beginning.

What do you mean by my read on jack? My views on him have changed a few times over the course of the game. I currently lean town on him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:24 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:23 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:20 pm There is significantly less time remaining than I thought. @novaselinenever do you have those nutella citations yet?

As things currently stand, I'd vote DDL purely to save Mac. Mac's town. DDL is null at best. I'd prefer either half of Lunachuck.

I'm working on her defense of others citations. Please ISO her. Read on you is Page 1, instances I talked about and read on Jack are on Page 2 and 3 towards the beginning.

You've got ~20 minutes.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:26 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:24 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:24 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:16 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:00 pm

Spoiler: show

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:18 am I feel like I need to pick a side to break the Pou/Mac tie. Mac looks pretty good, but he's been silent the past few pages where as pou has been actively defending herself. Regardless of alignment, that always makes someone look worse. But I don't think she's scum for it.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

I sense some mental gymnastics happening here to end up with a vote on the lead wagon.

This is my favorite point. I wasn't a fan of that post of hers.

nah, that's one of the towniest posts she has. she's definitely one with experience and it felt like lunalee related with pou. do you know how many times a game lunalee gets to be on the defensive side of a game and everything she says is flipped around? i've never seen a game where it hasn't happened, repeatedly. even after the woman role claims she's still suspected and has to defend her decisions and posts.

if anything, that post made me feel like civ lunalee is feeling sorry for someone who's actively trying to defend herself and falling on deaf ears. macdougall isn't even trying to defend. i like her rationale very much.

Why did she feel obligated to vote for either Mac or poutanko?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:28 pm Long Con voted Quin. Why did he do that and what has he said?

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:27 pm Why has anyone ever broken a tie? Maybe she believed they couldn't both be two leading town bandwagons. I dont know. I dont suspect her for it.