The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:53 pm Mmmmmmmmmmm interesting. Shit I actually gotta think about this

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:19 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:53 pm Mmmmmmmmmmm interesting. Shit I actually gotta think about this

Think about what?

Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:37 pm I don't know. I believe Drago on top of the NK tbh. It was either to implicate Drago or it was just a random kill. I don't think he's pulling the wool over my eyes and his eod behavior sounded genuine but eh.

He's wrong about me being the last cat though so if you want to build a case on me, do so so I can dispute it and put it to rest. We need to look at everyone if we are wrong.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:49 pm

Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:37 pm I don't know. I believe Drago on top of the NK tbh. It was either to implicate Drago or it was just a random kill. I don't think he's pulling the wool over my eyes and his eod behavior sounded genuine but eh.

He's wrong about me being the last cat though so if you want to build a case on me, do so so I can dispute it and put it to rest. We need to look at everyone if we are wrong.

I disagree with your nk analysis. I don't get how you're interpreting it. And you can always apply the wifom/that's-what-he-wants-you-to-think consideration. I mean, consider yesterday. He was trying to emphasize that he suspected LC, but there was never going to be a wagon there so he gave up. Do you think it's possible that he deliberately did that to plant the seed for us to think he wanted to lynch LC but then NKed him to throw us off since we'd think he'd want LC around as a mislynch target. Or that he saw there wasn't enough interest in lynching LC (tbf if LC was still around today he'd be in my poe, but whatever) so he knew he'd need to pivot to another mislynch target, so went ahead and killed LC figuring we wouldn't really know what to make of that. Idk, this is the problem with nk analysis. Too much wifom/potential for it to mean anything or nothing.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:49 pm

Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:37 pm I don't know. I believe Drago on top of the NK tbh. It was either to implicate Drago or it was just a random kill. I don't think he's pulling the wool over my eyes and his eod behavior sounded genuine but eh.

He's wrong about me being the last cat though so if you want to build a case on me, do so so I can dispute it and put it to rest. We need to look at everyone if we are wrong.

I disagree with your nk analysis. I don't get how you're interpreting it. And you can always apply the wifom/that's-what-he-wants-you-to-think consideration. I mean, consider yesterday. He was trying to emphasize that he suspected LC, but there was never going to be a wagon there so he gave up. Do you think it's possible that he deliberately did that to plant the seed for us to think he wanted to lynch LC but then NKed him to throw us off since we'd think he'd want LC around as a mislynch target. Or that he saw there wasn't enough interest in lynching LC (tbf if LC was still around today he'd be in my poe, but whatever) so he knew he'd need to pivot to another mislynch target, so went ahead and killed LC figuring we wouldn't really know what to make of that. Idk, this is the problem with nk analysis. Too much wifom/potential for it to mean anything or nothing.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:27 pm Macdougall is the Pinscher

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:28 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:44 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:40 pm Michelle or Fayt. Hmm.

haha this is hilarious. We both helped you survive yesterday ans now you find us scum? Are we playing the same game?

You know who else helped me survive? Nova and Nutella. You know who's left in the game? Mac, Nutella, you, Fayt, Nova. You know who's confirmed town? Mac? Who the fuck am I supposed to suspect? Myself? Don't bitch about something irrelevant.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:06 pm Nova, do you have reason to doubt Drago is the cat?

I'm not sure right now. Most of my thoughts there were linked to my Dom suspicion and Drago being the one Dom was casing, as well as my experience with him. There are a lot of flashes of his civ self in how he's behaving and being stubborn. I'm supposed to reread and reassess some stuff in a bit so I'll see how I feel especially with the whole "that's what he wants you to think" perspective.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:43 pm You know I'm town and I know that you know it because you are bad.

Or maybe my reads are good? Why should I suspect you? It's crunch time and you want me to include my town reads in a PoE? That makes no fucking sense.

Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:41 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:40 pm

Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:13 pm The LC kill was weird for me.. I'm trying to think if LC suspected anyone other than Drago. But I feel if Drago was the last cat, he would try again to lynch LC no?

Or did he realize no one was going for LC so he shot him?

Can you just vote for Michelle?

I do prefer a Michelle lynch over you but what are your feelings on Nova and Nutella if we're wrong again.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:45 pm Personally I think it's Nova. Motherfucker has been all calm and blendy and weird.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:50 pm I'm town, don't waste your time. You're welcome.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:32 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:07 pm Jay is town. Don't try lynch him.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:37 pm Tom & Jerry is the fucking best. Dogs > cats though.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:56 pm Cause I said so

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:57 pm Dragon D. Luffy can you explain to me how you're gonna have Scar in the poll but not Simba? The disrespect smh.

Opening with a strong town read, alright. The "Don't try to lynch him" is laughable. False bravado followed by attempts to divert by cracking jokes and using the theme/host, then a dud when asked for the why.

Drago is bad.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:46 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:06 pm Nova, do you have reason to doubt Drago is the cat?

I'm not sure right now. Most of my thoughts there were linked to my Dom suspicion and Drago being the one Dom was casing, as well as my experience with him. There are a lot of flashes of his civ self in how he's behaving and being stubborn. I'm supposed to reread and reassess some stuff in a bit so I'll see how I feel especially with the whole "that's what he wants you to think" perspective.

See how at pains he is to answer this question meticulously. Townie Nova would probably have just been short here.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:46 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:06 pm Nova, do you have reason to doubt Drago is the cat?

I'm not sure right now. Most of my thoughts there were linked to my Dom suspicion and Drago being the one Dom was casing, as well as my experience with him. There are a lot of flashes of his civ self in how he's behaving and being stubborn. I'm supposed to reread and reassess some stuff in a bit so I'll see how I feel especially with the whole "that's what he wants you to think" perspective.

See how at pains he is to answer this question meticulously. Townie Nova would probably have just been short here.

Not this late and after being wrong about Dom, but he's still good I think

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:53 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:46 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:06 pm Nova, do you have reason to doubt Drago is the cat?

I'm not sure right now. Most of my thoughts there were linked to my Dom suspicion and Drago being the one Dom was casing, as well as my experience with him. There are a lot of flashes of his civ self in how he's behaving and being stubborn. I'm supposed to reread and reassess some stuff in a bit so I'll see how I feel especially with the whole "that's what he wants you to think" perspective.

See how at pains he is to answer this question meticulously. Townie Nova would probably have just been short here.

Not this late and after being wrong about Dom, but he's still good I think

Why are you in this guru like mode? And don't try to tell me that you aren't because you are. Explain why.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:00 pm Think Michelle is europe time so she won't be here

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:46 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:06 pm Nova, do you have reason to doubt Drago is the cat?

I'm not sure right now. Most of my thoughts there were linked to my Dom suspicion and Drago being the one Dom was casing, as well as my experience with him. There are a lot of flashes of his civ self in how he's behaving and being stubborn. I'm supposed to reread and reassess some stuff in a bit so I'll see how I feel especially with the whole "that's what he wants you to think" perspective.

See how at pains he is to answer this question meticulously. Townie Nova would probably have just been short here.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:46 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:06 pm Nova, do you have reason to doubt Drago is the cat?

I'm not sure right now. Most of my thoughts there were linked to my Dom suspicion and Drago being the one Dom was casing, as well as my experience with him. There are a lot of flashes of his civ self in how he's behaving and being stubborn. I'm supposed to reread and reassess some stuff in a bit so I'll see how I feel especially with the whole "that's what he wants you to think" perspective.

See how at pains he is to answer this question meticulously. Townie Nova would probably have just been short here.

I'm sniffing what you're pooping down.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:31 pm Speed is fine. Drago not so much.

Nova is already MVP. Mindmelds all over the place.

Michelle, TH, and rej fine. Jay, LC, Mac, Dom, fayt need more data. Did I miss anyone

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:13 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:26 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:19 pm Hmm, would scum Nutella stop pushing me or continue pressing the very likely lynch? I'm inclined to believe the latter. So right now, Nutella is in good looks.

Rej is the leading wagon, not you.

Oh right. Gonna have to rethink this then. @Nutella do you suspect Rej?

Yeah, I guess I do. I've waffled a bit and don't feel amazingly strongly about it, but I like the connection that Mac drew between him and Fayt.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:31 pm Speed is fine. Drago not so much.

Nova is already MVP. Mindmelds all over the place.

Michelle, TH, and rej fine. Jay, LC, Mac, Dom, fayt need more data. Did I miss anyone

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:34 pm Oh yeah, Speed and LC exist. Let's move off these stale wagons and lynch one of them instead.

I'm inclined to sheep Epi re: speed, and I haven't seen anything that made me feel anything positive about him.

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:45 pm Lol I said at some point that speed was fine and looking at his iso now i cannot fathom why I had that thought

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:08 pm Okay so I really like that I can see genuine thought behind Fayt's posts. I know Jay was pretty adamant it was her but he's also a fart face so who cares. Nutella seems kinda gamesolvey but I can never clear her because her range is so massive. Likewise Nova. If we lynch wrong today well, it's probably because it's one of them.

If someone can provide a bit of an objective cliffnotes version of why Dragomir is bad that'd be good because he tone reads town to me. If there is something empirical that says otherwise then I'd acquiesce this weak ass read though.

I'll see if an ISO of Michelle leaves me feeling anything about her.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:36 pm Drago is always town here. Michelle is ALWAYS town here. Mac, Epi, or Nova could theoretically be pulling the wool over my eyes but I've mindmelded with them too many times to not want to think about that unless I have no other choice. It's within LC, Fayt, Jay, and Dom. Fayt is the only overlap I have with Jay's list so that's the most logical option I suppose, but my gut is weakest there and if Jay is scum then, well.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:27 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:21 pm

Fayt wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:34 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:36 pm I thought Fayt was part of the recent MU wave but they're not lol

Sup Starlight

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:30 pm We already have something of substance to talk about, people. If you haven't already piped in, I want to know what y'all think of Dragomir or anything related to the conversation surrounding Dragomir.

So for the dragomir thing, I might be late on this because I haven't had a chance to reply until now. There are things I'm unsure of and this is off of first impressions but I do lean scum on him. As reasons stated above but also because of Dragomir not wanting to do first impressions but then jump onto another target (i.e. LC) so he must think of something about LC that strikes him as odd or did he just drop the LC name to get people off of his back.

Secondly, I don't think Dragomir and JJJ are bussing each other. If they are then I'm definitely fooled. If Dragomir turns out to be scum, I find Jay as town and vice versa. However, there is a chance they could both be town but I don't think both would be scum.

Fake. Super fake. Fayt is bad.

"I do lean scum on him". She is emphasising "I do" as opposed to just "I lean". She is responding someone who does not. There is only one person who has actively said that they do not and that is Rej. This is consequentially distancing of Rej.

The second paragraph spews both Jay and Drago as town.

Oh baby this is that good shit. My poor boofer mouth is gonna need a glass of milk after that, hooo-wee.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:26 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:34 pm I don't think Epi's case on Jay holds much water at all. Nothing that was pointed out is outside of Jay's town play. It's still a mild town tick for Epi though. I still think Jay is town.

my thoughts as well

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:29 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:36 pm Of all the people who were just participatory in that flurry Nova's contributions were the most skewiff. I don't understand what he was trying to do at all.

also agree here, I was happy with nova's contributions d1 but today so far he's done nothing, just made scattered comments all over the place and idk what his actual thoughts are.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:38 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:50 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:47 pm Facts:

JJJ gave Rej a bunch of shit. Did not vote there.
JJJ voted LC, whom he called good that same Day.

What else am I supposed to do with this?

So you are suspicious of Jay because he is wrong?

Firstly, what if LC is also a cat?

But I'll unpack this for a second. In this scenario you propose Jay to be Rej's teammate and unwilling to bus him. Would it not stand to reason that if he was unwilling to bus him that he would be willing to defend him? Did he defend him? If you can show me evidence of Jay trying to manipulate others into rescinding their read on Rej I'll listen more.

Personally I think the chances are rather high that we had two cat wagons up on day 1.

I dig this, I'm also still sort of on the LC/rej both cats train. So what do you think is the likelihood of Jay being their teammate in this scenario vs a civilian?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:57 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:24 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:20 pm Agreed with concern about Rej take. Potential TMI on Dragomir.

Why? What about it strikes as TMI?

I'll answer for him. Firstly, you have been actually pretty scummy. So for Rej to defend you is TMI. Rej has no reason to feel like you have been civvy enough to question the people casing him.

Rej is taking the opportunity to gain your trust by dismissing the case as incredulous, which is invariably how you would feel as a civ. In the event of a civilian flip of you he is distanced from the case making of a bad lynch, which is where people first look for wolves (even though it's usually never that simple).

Now, onto Fayt, who we have common ground on.

This post smells like a litter box. Paints quite a big picture of events. "Actually pretty scummy"? Mac is purring like a devil

Just looking at TH's posts and this one stands out. If I wasn't me I'd be pretty convinced that I killed him for this.

But given I am in fact a dog ... perhaps this kill was made in the hopes of somebody breadcrumbing that.

Turnip Head had a pretty strong town read on Dragomir. I am want to think that a wolf team that has Dragomir in it that just lost a member would not kill someone who had an incorrect scum read on me and was town reading Dragomir.

I also think that TH wasn't proving to be much of a threat. I don't see how a scum team that has players unfamiliar with him would choose him as a kill.

It just seems like a pure POE shot given how good TH looked in light of the Rej flip.

I kinda found it strange how Jay decided to leak that he had an interaction analysis with Rej/TH. Almost seems like Jay was trying to make us think he didn't know TH was gonna get the bullet. @JaggedJimmyJay why did you post the TH/Rej interaction analysis?

this is a good point tbh

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:52 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:20 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:20 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:06 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:05 pm bleh [VOTE: Rej] aubergine

But Michelle says Rej is Civ.

I am going to veto a Long Con lynch.

This post here is not Rej's teammate.

What are you talking about, that is literally him using a third party to try to hard defend Rej? That's like the most teammate indicative shit ever lol.

Lol yeah I'm with mac on this one. Don't see how you could use that to clear LC in the slightest.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:02 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:54 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:54 am Just btw I 100% believe Jay would absolutely kill TH if he thought it was the right move, "site health" be damned. I have wolfed with Jay and cannot in a million years imagine him saying "let's not kill TH because he's only just came back" if TH was empirically the best kill to be made. He'd be like "exterminate the prick and even better because I can say that I'd never do it and dumb shits would believe me muahahaha". Jay is absolutely cold and pragmatic as scum and him even trying that on as defence is scummy as shit.

@nutella you have scummed with Jay, what do you think?

100% agree as you may have surmised from another post I just made lol

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:05 pm Worthy of thought.

Rej lynched by a single vote on day 1.

Flipped wolf on his wagon.

Why did Speedchuck not just vote for LC?

Fair.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:43 pm I'm remembering how much I agreed with mac's early accusations of fayt, and thinking I tone cleared her too easily later. Plus Jay's points about her defending him, and the weird sprityo vote... yeah ok. [VOTE: fayt] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:13 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:46 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:06 pm Nova, do you have reason to doubt Drago is the cat?

I'm not sure right now. Most of my thoughts there were linked to my Dom suspicion and Drago being the one Dom was casing, as well as my experience with him. There are a lot of flashes of his civ self in how he's behaving and being stubborn. I'm supposed to reread and reassess some stuff in a bit so I'll see how I feel especially with the whole "that's what he wants you to think" perspective.

See how at pains he is to answer this question meticulously. Townie Nova would probably have just been short here.

I'm sniffing what you're pooping down.

So my literal only concern towards you is that you have been pretty much 100% buddying me the entire game. What gives?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:22 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:36 pm Drago is always town here. Michelle is ALWAYS town here. Mac, Epi, or Nova could theoretically be pulling the wool over my eyes but I've mindmelded with them too many times to not want to think about that unless I have no other choice. It's within LC, Fayt, Jay, and Dom. Fayt is the only overlap I have with Jay's list so that's the most logical option I suppose, but my gut is weakest there and if Jay is scum then, well.

Do you still feel this way towards Drago and Michelle because since they're both alive it now reads like TMI.