The Syndicate

[mention]Carotenoid[/mention] [mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] [mention]Alison[/mention] can we be sane for a minute.

Firstly, Alison is objectively a bad yeet because she was the counter day 1. Carot please put your vote on a reasonable place.

Colin, Alison, if you think I am town you need to just look at Nook's play through that lens. What is the winning strategy for Nanook to just hard shield me, live in my shield, sheep my reads and largely slank otherwise? There is no mafia mentality there. There is no agenda. Nook is a great player. This is not mafia Nook. Wise up.

We have LC who has subbed into a pure slank slot that needs solving and seemingly read about 4 day 1 posts, voted me and left. He can't be left beyond today. Clearly we have no consensus and everyone is off in lala land doing their own thing. This is the day we just solve a bad slot and hope it's mafia. If we have no energy to work together to solve the game then can we just do the right thing and clear the POE?

Actually fuck it. I'm going with Wilgy because I first post read TH mafia and TTC town. Let's go.

Okay, I hear you Mac, I'll move my vote. I'd go for DrWilgy before LC though

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:50 pm Okay, I hear you Mac, I'll move my vote. I'd go for DrWilgy before LC though

Good. Me too.

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] help me yeet Wilgy.

If Wilgy flips town we're just yeeting Tedxtr tomorrow btw. Them crossvoting here strongly indicates that it's t/w. Basically they're both in the POE and have TMI'd each other the opposite alignment.

Conversely if Wilgy flips mafia. Ted is cleared and LC is just the last mafia fmpov.

That feeling when you're getting your preferred yeet, then you look at the result and it's green. You know that feeling? I hate that feeling so much that I actively am hating that my preferred yeet is now leadwagon.

Oh lol at that crosspost

Alright. This feels okay, we can do it. I'm a bit burned out by 6 years old screaming so I'll keep an eye on the thread but I'm not digging or ISOing stuff for the rest of the day

Maybe we should just coinflip between LC and DrWilgy

idk I think. w!TTC fits more teams and is a bit more probable from a gamestate point of view but it feels really bad to be yeeting this slot the day it gets replaced.

If you hate it that much we can kill LC today instead and I’ll take the blame if it flips town

I’m like

Pretty confident there’s one in colin/LC

And if you have some kind of good read on colin, that’s fine with me

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:04 pm idk I think. w!TTC fits more teams and is a bit more probable from a gamestate point of view but it feels really bad to be yeeting this slot the day it gets replaced.

If I can’t openly read into subs they don’t get daypasses imo

I’ll be back before EOD to vote wilgy if LC doesn’t gain traction

Okay yeah let's go I'm voting LC

I think I biased myself too much with replacement pass and I shouldn't. Fwiw I hated that LC agreed with me on Alison being scummy right after I posted about TTC/Alison compatability

I feel less anxiety now that I am just sharing culpability lol

Gah fuck it

[VOTE: long con] aubergine

Slot needs resolved

Wait now I’m the one that’s stressed

This was not well thought out lmao

Mac if you’re playing me like a fiddle ... I will smile.

The only reason I dont want to flip LC is its LC. I would love to flip the slot.

Scumread me for that if you want.

1 scum in the people who tried to get an Alison wagon going. It is not sane for town to try to push me here. Not all townies are sane but Occam's Razor is that scum took an opportunistic attempt to try to exe me. For the record the difference between 10K and TH is that 10K didn't care at all about the game, which is NAI, and TH clearly did but did anti-town stuff anyway, which is scummy.

I'll move onto LC over Wilgy. I liked stuff I've seen from Wilgy. Mac can come into my towncore for putting a stop to my wagon; he could easily have sat on his hands and let it roll if he were scum. Don't see why scum Mac pockets me there. I'll sheep his read on nook for now and just vote LC.

ted attacking Wilgy indicates they are unlikely to be wolves together - hard bussing is not a winning strategy here. It could be ted/LC, which would be in my former POE. Given LC's opportunistic post right after Carotte tried to push me, I'm more inclined to believe this is the way, especially since ted attacked Wilgy (the counterwagon) right as it became clear the wagons this phase were Wilgy and LC.

Back to video lectures.

[VOTE: LC] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:53 pm If Wilgy flips town we're just yeeting Tedxtr tomorrow btw. Them crossvoting here strongly indicates that it's t/w. Basically they're both in the POE and have TMI'd each other the opposite alignment.

What are the odds it's V/V?

Worth noting that if you think the POE is Wilgy/Ted/LC and Wilgy and Ted aren't wolves together then LC is the exe because he has to be wolf in all worlds.

Day 4 has ended. Long Con was chopped. He was:


Night 4 will last 24 hours. THREAD IS LOCKED.

Night 4 has ended.



Day 5 is underway. You have 48 hours to chop someone.

Sighs

How many people are alive again?

7. So three kills that have to include two mafia.

×__×

Can we lynch someone I want for once?

I'm not going to say I disagree with the LC lynch. But why did we policy LC over Nanook? There's a massive difference between a slanker that is here and a slanker that quite literally just subbed into the game.

[VOTE: Colin] aubergine

I don’t think I’m getting past the 112 stuff, idk that I’ve ever seen scum112 NOT scumread a partner at some point, so I think good odds Colin is just mafia

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:38 pm I'm not going to say I disagree with the LC lynch. But why did we policy LC over Nanook? There's a massive difference between a slanker that is here and a slanker that quite literally just subbed into the game.

He wasn’t a policy

I wasn’t killed because I’m town and enough people found me

Perhaps the answer is in Ted/Carote?

Not a fan of Carote's coin flip proposal. I don't see how that's civ minded even in jest.

Also Mac dying feels like an attack on me :/

Which makes me think I'm even more right about Ted, but one shouldn't act on nk's.

Day 1
112 (7): TonyStarkPrime, MacDougall, nutella, Alison, Amy, protocultures, ColinIsCool
Alison (5): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Carotenoid, Urist, tutuu, 112
Amy (1): Turnip Head
MacDougall (1): tedxtr
Not voting (1): TenThousandCalories

Day 2
DrWilgy (1): protocultures
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (2): Carotenoid, DrWilgy
TonyStarkPrime (3): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, MacDougall, Urist
Urist (6): Amy, TonyStarkPrime, tutu, Alison, ColinIsCool, tedxtr
No chop (1): TenThousand Calories

Day 3
Carotenoid (1): TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall (1): protocultures
protocultures (1): ColinIsCool
TonyStarkPrime (5): tutuu, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Alison, MacDougall, Carotenoid
Not voting (3): DrWilgy, tedxtr, TenThousandCalories

Day 4
DrWilgy (1): tedxtr
Long Con (5): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, MacDougall, ColinIsCool, Carotenoid, Alison
MacDougall (2): protocultures, Long Con
tedxtr (1): DrWilgy

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I'm looking at this and I'm like... Is it just Alison-Proto??? Alison once again popped in a few minutes before a misflip. Proto's tunnel on Mac kinda reminded me of my tunnel of Giraffe in sf1 but rereading his ISO again it just... Doesn't look genuine. He *never* doubts and asked repeatedly to vote him but never provided any case. When asked for partner, he didn't know and didn't care, but he was okay with any policy vote. Also, Mac wasn't scumreading him, it's not like he was a really frustrated townie tunnelling blindly because his judgement is clouded with emotions. His whole push was just... Really bland, and this tunnel allowed him to get away with the fact he has not provided anything else in the past 2 game days.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:34 pm Perhaps the answer is in Ted/Carote?

Not a fan of Carote's coin flip proposal. I don't see how that's civ minded even in jest.

What coinflip?

protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:10 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:35 pm Hi all. I've exed wrong twice in a row the past two days and repeatedly not been nightkilled. I am therefore throwing out most of my readslist and starting from scratch. The only reads I will be keeping are my towncore, which I am relying on to help me solve the game. You could make an argument that maybe I haven't been shot because there's a wolf in my core, but I don't think wolves would shoot me even if wolves are outside my towncore.

Here are some compelling reasons to view me as town. Every nightkill has been made on someone who townreads me. nutella, tutuu and Amy all plainly stated that they simply thought I was town based on play. Therefore, if I am mafia, I would have made the decision to consecutively shoot people who had townreads on me.

This is unlikely for the obvious reason (as scum I want to keep my allies alive), but it is doubly unlikely when you consider the gamestate reasons. If I am scum and the D1 wagon was W/W, then I surely would intend to garner as much towncred as I could off being the counterwagon to 112, and try to compensate for our lack of numbers by going deep. Therefore it would be unlikely for me to repeatedly shoot people that considered me town if my strategy was to try to get as much towncred as possible and establish myself as a deepwolf.

I'm going to catch up on the thread now - I consider this state of affairs to strongly indicate me as town and I would encourage anyone who disagrees with that assessment to speak out now.

You were more town before this post.

This post feels like a weird distanciation attempt: proto is throwing shade at Alison while emphasizing that Alison was "obviously townie".

protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 2:54 pm alison has said they are busy with IRL stuff which is why they have fallen off a bit.

Alison did mention that in the thread, but this defense is just off track. I was not suspecting Alison from volume, I was saying that she fell into complacency/being ok with whatever was happening.

Are you nuts?

Four flipped townies have told you in no uncertain terms that I'm not mafia and shouldn't be touched until ExLo. Do you seriously believe that Alison scum in this spot systematically kills off the people townshielding her?

I have no clue why I'm even suspected right now, let alone being theorized as a scumpair with others. nutella said I was town; she was town, and the read was made in good faith. So did Amy, so did tutuu, so did Mac. I was also the counterwagon to flipped scum D1.

Please stop the insanity, Colin and Carotte. We have one misexe left; now is not the time to fly off onto wild tinfoils that the gamestate strongly indicates against.

Ughhhhhh yeah. Should probably stick to PoE until lylo.

Where's your head at Alison?

Like, think about why a proto-Alison team would shoot Mac there. Mac was all onboard a Wilgy train. All I had to do is shoot Carotte, the person suspecting me the most, and let Mac push Wilgy tomorrow for a free win.

There is no sense to what you are saying. Stop the madness and use your logic. We have to be accurate with our exes from now on, meaning we need to make exes that have the highest probability of flipping mafia. We cannot afford to info exe. We cannot afford to fly off on a whim and tinfoil someone who's been townread by every flipped town that was killed and who was the counterwagon to 112. So drop the tunnel, calmly review the game, and go over the evidence to see who we can trust and who we can't.

Here is where I am.

I am trusting Mac's read that nanook is town. I agree that on the balance of probabilities, nanook doesn't go into Day 2 hard sheeping town and slanking otherwise. Off a D1 scum kill, I don't believe scum would willingly surrender control of the thread to a townie. That isn't to say they did have thread control, but it is to say that I'm ruling out someone who actively surrendered their agency and vote to someone we know is town.

So nanook is my towncore. Colin and proto are still in it. The Colin vote is tiresome but he's wrongly suspected me as town before and frankly if he's scum he could just keep me in his pocket rather than angle for an Alison exe like this.

That means Wilgy, ted and Carotte are the POE. I've liked what I've seen from Wilgy, ted and Carotte earlier but I'm soft clearing everyone else so the bar has to be raised.

Intitial instinct is to say ted and Wilgy aren't aligned and we should exe Carotte. But that reasoning got me into trouble with LC yesterday, and prima facie, ted and Wilgy look worse than Carrotte. So I haven't made up my mind about which of the three is most likely to be scum yet. Leaning a bit towards Wilgy, partially because of my D1 read and partially because scum ted has no reason to push Wilgy as hard as he did yesterday. That would only clear Wilgy for free if he flipped. Thus, Wilgy seems more likely to be the scum of the pair for me. Then his partner might be Carotte or someone I wrongly cleared.

Wilgy/tedxtr v/t + someone else.

tedxtr probs not w/w with Nanook. Could be paired with proto, Colin or Alison.
Wilgy probs not w/w with proto, Alison or Nanook. Could be paired with Colin.

hmn. tedxtr's day 4 was much better than Wilgy's but he fits in more teams. If Alison/proto is really town that means I'm misclearing Nanook or Colin.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:59 am Wilgy/tedxtr v/t + someone else.

*v/t lol not v/v

*v/w

LOL ok that means I need to sleep really badly