The Syndicate

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:33 am Also I feel we should start taking the dead townies' reads a little more seriously before they have an aneurysm at us in spec chat.

Esooa wanted to kill "everyone on the Alison wagon" which is nook, Dyslexicon, and Axe.

Seanzie wanted to kill Alison, Ender, and Mac.

Let us presume that there is at least one wolf in each of these three-person sets. Neither of them were so blazingly conftown that they would have been killed if they were completely wrong on every scumread. Everyone should state who they think is the most likely wolf in each of their legacies.

I'm voting Dyslexicon and Ender.

axe and ender

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Seems like it’s going to be Alison vs DOO. I think Alison is definitely more likely to be town out of the two, so [vote]DOO[/vote]
I’ll try to be around as late as I can for EOD but I’m already getting tired.
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this is wolfy for the same reason my vote was wolfy but arbitrarily if alison is town you'd want the chop there instead of the loose cannon
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this was the thing he pulled that I thought was a good read
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What part of it do you find wolfy? Because I don’t see how “this is wolfy for the same reason my vote is wolfy” is a good read that would make you want to follow someone.

I don’t buy it

I don’t know what I did there. I think I accidentally clicked on something at the bottom when trying to post.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:19 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:14 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:43 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:39 pm Seems like it’s going to be Alison vs DOO. I think Alison is definitely more likely to be town out of the two, so [VOTE: DOO] aubergine
I’ll try to be around as late as I can for EOD but I’m already getting tired.

this is wolfy for the same reason my vote was wolfy but arbitrarily if alison is town you'd want the chop there instead of the loose cannon

this was the thing he pulled that I thought was a good read

What part of it do you find wolfy? Because I don’t see how “this is wolfy for the same reason my vote is wolfy” is a good read that would make you want to follow someone.

I don’t buy it

I found it compelling enough at the time to nod along with it. You can say what you want.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:31 am @EnderWiggin how are you so eager to hop on a wagon Mac started when you wanted to blast his head off yesterday?

Because I don't know.

I'm second-guessing my reads every moment of today after my opening post.

I had Fingers as scum on the list and Mac can vote partners, so maybe I'm not wrong.

Maybe I am.

I've just sat down with a drink, I'm going to think this through now and try to actually settle on something.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:33 am Also I feel we should start taking the dead townies' reads a little more seriously before they have an aneurysm at us in spec chat.

Esooa wanted to kill "everyone on the Alison wagon" which is nook, Dyslexicon, and Axe.

Seanzie wanted to kill Alison, Ender, and Mac.

Let us presume that there is at least one wolf in each of these three-person sets. Neither of them were so blazingly conftown that they would have been killed if they were completely wrong on every scumread. Everyone should state who they think is the most likely wolf in each of their legacies.

I'm voting Dyslexicon and Ender.

Esooa could have been spk. But I wouldn't be surprised if Nook/Dizzy/Axe = 1 scum. I'd probably pick Dizzy or Nook, more Dizzy than Nook. I think I townread Axe.
Alison/Ender/Mac = Mac probably.

That being said, I'm going to react to my other mafia games then come back here and do what Writer's call "Kill your children."

did seanzie really only have 3 mafia reads?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:02 am did seanzie really only have 3 mafia reads?

No, Seanzie had too many mafia reads.

But Mac/Me/Alison were the three primary tunnels he was stuck on.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:24 am I didn't feel it was either rude or angry but even if it was I have a hard time believing you think being those things is something I wouldn't do as wolf

I don't think it was rude. It was mostly funny coming from a selfish town player (or a mafia emulating their selfish town play).

Sorry I wasn't here yesterday, I was busy having fever dreams

I'll be around in a v limited capacity today

Somehow TSP managed to take up the last 5 pages of the game, and I feel like he is no more useful than he was 5 pages ago.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:25 am Idk how that first post got there, but dizzy most people here don’t know my scum game. They have all played ONE scum game with me at most, and this absolutely isn’t my scum game so anyone who is saying that this is it is just lying

What does wolf-Fingers look like?

I've had not enough sleep over the last few days, but here's my almighty takes of Doom coming to a threat near you soon. I think I've stabalised on some things at the very least

1. I needed to restructure my reads and thoughts again. I hard aggrod onto Mac after last EOD and while I know why I did that, my confidence in the read was a bit on/off.

2. I work best by evaluating my townreads and working backwards. And I want to do this in a way that people see so let me take you through the ride of my current state

Lu Ren
Alison
Grogu/Syn/Mac
fingersplints
Luckbox Inc
TonyStarkPrime
NotAnAxehole
Dyslexicon
falcon45ca
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
EnderWiggin

Random list because why the hell not. The current player list. Who were my townleans last read spot?

NAA
Luckbox
Lu ren
Falcon

And before that the strongest list?
Alison
Lu Ren
Luckbox
NAA

Alright time for me to work backwards through the reads and work out who I need to remove to clean up my list.

Lu Ren:
Upon review enters with a very strong post but the list can look very TMI.

Are they scum? Possibly not.

Are they worthy of being towncored? Not really. I like their posts but could be pocketed.

Falcon:
Honestly very town play and early points that push towards being town. His 647, LB interaction in 886, 888, general towny progression in 1095, 1329

Falcon gets to be the first clear.

NAA:
1274 is the best example of solid NAA play, as much as I dislike some of his reads and takes he has towntold himself pretty well imo. Different to D1 of ATLA which threw me off but I daresay he's town.

NAA gets to be town 2.

So we go back to the list, let's just remove my name because otherwise this is going to get tiresome:

falcon45ca
NotAnAxehole
----- < - No wolves above this line

What about how I order the rest?
Just basic gut start before I re-evaluate:

Lu Ren
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
TonyStarkPrime
Alison
Dyslexicon
Grogu/Syn/Mac
fingersplints
Luckbox Inc

Does TSP slank then create a massive set of posts on D3? As wolf? Possibly, can't rule that out yet. Leave that on read, we'll work backwards.

Nanook, been sweeping NAA the entire time, NAA hard-vouches.

I'm often not big on NAA vouches but they seem to have a lot of meta and I'm pretty shit at reading Nanook tbh. I've only caught him as wolf before via pure POE.

Dizzy:
Was pretty bad early on but has picked up game and WIM.

Posts like 1276/1277 and 1815 seem town-thought process, and Dizzy has similar progression to me in getting to most recent phases and asking "What the fuck is going on" where their convictions waver. That being said, their progression on reads is still solid.

Let's add those two to upper end of list:

falcon45ca
NotAnAxehole
----- < - No wolves above this line

Dyslexicon
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Lu Ren
TonyStarkPrime
Alison
Grogu/Syn/Mac
fingersplints
Luckbox Inc

Now we're down to POE of 6 but that's one too many. Need POE of 5 to work out the game. Can I get there with certainty? Almost impossible. Next step? Let's find out what worlds we have in that bottom six and see if I can find some way to break this open. I'm tired of being confused at this game, so let's box the scum up in a neat little present.

I should theoretically be able to poe game too today.

Perhaps Ender can work with me.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:30 am I should theoretically be able to poe game too today.

Perhaps Ender can work with me.

It's 1:30 AM and I'm coffee and I have work tomorrow. I'm pretty much pushing myself to try and find a basis for solve tonight.

OR at least a solid basis so I can stop being so fucking confused.

Fun fact, though, I need to re-think you pretty hard.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:31 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:30 am I should theoretically be able to poe game too today.

Perhaps Ender can work with me.

It's 1:30 AM and I'm coffee and I have work tomorrow. I'm pretty much pushing myself to try and find a basis for solve tonight.

OR at least a solid basis so I can stop being so fucking confused.

Fun fact, though, I need to re-think you pretty hard.

I'm actually pretty solidly set on you being good here and confused about why Alison wants to kill you.

So going to have to work from interactions, trace back the ideas, find out who has interacted.

Let's look quickly at vote spread for D1/D2:

(Let's also sanitise this so my eyes don't bleed looking at it):
votes:

day 1

day 2

@Marmot
Feel free to steal my sanitised votecounts if you want for Summary post.

I forgot to colour green DOO.

Lol

Here's a fun fact:
Either I'm wrong or Alison wagons both days have been t/t/t/t

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I started a poe list then realized we should probably be killing Mac

Mac is not paired with Lu Ren.

Alison has moderately high equity with Lu Ren.

This makes Alison/Mac unlikely. They're good enough it's possible but I'm going to table that tinfoil for now.

Lu Ren
TonyStarkPrime
Alison
MacDougall
fingersplints
Luckbox Inc

TSP is not going to have high equity due to low impact before today.

Who is Fingersplints maybe with?

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:42 am [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I started a poe list then realized we should probably be killing Mac

Why?

Finger/Mac isn't teamed

Finger/Alison possibly not teamed.

Wait how does Alison teams look.

I think Alison is only scum in exactly team of Alison/Lu Ren/TSP.

Outside chance of Alison/Mac/TSP.

Alison/LB probably don't hard-aggro D1 start like that.

Alison/Finger have some genuine looking interactions and Finger had the chance to save Alison (Putting wagon to 5/4 to Bo) which would have fit earlier reads.

Here comes the Alison/Mac/Lu tinfoil.

Why do I not have Mac paired with Lu Ren again? Sec I have to re-read.

Actually Lu/Mac not teamed is a bit weak.

Lu probably spews Alison town from hard-defense but that could also be buddy defending.

Alison has to have teammate pool of Mac/Lu/TSP which feels weak.

I'm inclined to push her off the immediate lynch list.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:46 am Somehow TSP managed to take up the last 5 pages of the game, and I feel like he is no more useful than he was 5 pages ago.

Is Nanook town or are y’all just memeing

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:04 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:46 am Somehow TSP managed to take up the last 5 pages of the game, and I feel like he is no more useful than he was 5 pages ago.

Is Nanook town or are y’all just memeing

Probably town but tbh hard to read.

For Luckbox #390 feels weird af in retrospect.

The towniest thing splints has done is loudly proclaim that they’re clearly not a wolf which isn’t bad I guess but also

I highlighted that post in my catch up but in fairness it always feels weird

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:10 pm For Luckbox #390 feels weird af in retrospect.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:12 pm I highlighted that post in my catch up but in fairness it always feels weird

I was going through a D1-they're-going-to-kill-me emo phase and was being linked up with DoO. Post is me though.

fingersplints
Luckbox Inc

Pretty high w/w equity between these two tbh.

If I leave Alison out and suggest something like a
Luckbox > If LB flips red > Fingers > Lu Ren > Mac > TSP
If LB flips green > Lu Ren > If Lu Ren Flips Red > Mac? > Fingers > TSP
If Lu Ren Flips Green > Re-evaluate everything and scream.

POE then idk.

It's 2:30 AM

I'm dead.

I'm crashing.

All you lovely peeps give me POE thoughts.

I just need to consolidate my town and find two more hard-town.

Then I can solve.

Help me find you townies.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:22 pm If I leave Alison out and suggest something like a
Luckbox > If LB flips red > Fingers > Lu Ren > Mac > TSP
If LB flips green > Lu Ren > If Lu Ren Flips Red > Mac? > Fingers > TSP
If Lu Ren Flips Green > Re-evaluate everything and scream.

POE then idk.

It's 2:30 AM

I'm dead.

I was hoping I could be nightkilled

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:40 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:22 pm If I leave Alison out and suggest something like a
Luckbox > If LB flips red > Fingers > Lu Ren > Mac > TSP
If LB flips green > Lu Ren > If Lu Ren Flips Red > Mac? > Fingers > TSP
If Lu Ren Flips Green > Re-evaluate everything and scream.

POE then idk.

It's 2:30 AM

I'm dead.

I was hoping I could be nightkilled

What's your POE.

Hit me with it

Smack me in the face with your villageriness so I can pull you out of my POE.

Why Mac? Why him first?

Why not Fingers who you scumread a lot earlier?

Beyond Fingers/Mac, who else? Why? Where's the line of demarkation between town and scum? Who are you not including in your POE but might? Who do you think should never be in your POE?

Alison
EnderWiggin
NotAnAxehole

TonyStarkPrime
falcon45ca
Lu Ren
Dyslexicon

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Grogu/Syn/Mac
fingersplints

Something like this and if I'm wrong on one of them then Lu or Dizzy need to be considered. I feel pretty decent about Tony now. Thoughts seem pretty pure.
I did also like Fingers most recent spate of posting. Probably still a wolf but her posts were emo-villagery I thought.

Mac just seems like he has to be a wolf though.

emo-villagery, that's what I'm gonna call it

The thing about Dizzy that bothers me is that from the reading I did of Space Invaders, I thought Dizzy was a lot more villagery there. So I'll look at that today.
There was one post in this game that I thought was legitimately really villagery, but can see some of it coming from a wolf in comparison to the other game.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:44 am Mac is not paired with Lu Ren.

Alison has moderately high equity with Lu Ren.

This makes Alison/Mac unlikely. They're good enough it's possible but I'm going to table that tinfoil for now.

Can you explain this further, cause I’m not following?