The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:40 pm Yes I volunteer.

Curiosity lead me to posting before seeing how much content/time had passed.

Fantastic.

I want to start developing a deeper theory of the game like I mentioned Day 1. The most complete way that I know of to do so is to assess the two-way interactions of every pair of players that exists in the field. I wouldn't ask you to do all of that, but if you could even choose one player on this roster and assess their relationships with each other player, that would be really cool. You could either review posts explicitly in the thread, or you could look at them on your own and just post your perspectives.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:41 pm I'll be deploying some nerdery of my own shortly that may help with this (and VCA in general).

Very good good good good good

Nerds.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:39 pm @G-Man do we have final vote screenshot? Or am I blind?

Yes. The Day 1 poll screenshots have been added to the OP. It just took me longer than anticipated.

G-Man didn't save the final vote count which is annoying. iirc Falcon was a pretty large runaway wagon with low accountability; I'd expect mafia to either casually pile on or hide on some vanity wagon so they don't get their hands dirty. Biased more towards the former if they had a teammate in danger.

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:45 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:39 pm @G-Man do we have final vote screenshot? Or am I blind?

Yes. The Day 1 poll screenshots have been added to the OP. It just took me longer than anticipated.

Oh neat.

@EnderWiggin You're not town for pretending you have deep thoughts that you don't want to share.

@RondoDimBuckle Why were you parked on Dizzy at EOD? Did you think that vote would go through?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:42 pm That he cared to switch off of Falcon at EoD. A collection of good posts, his fluffy and adorable hair, and my well known god read on him.

I thought Marmot's spurt of activity around EOD was generally of the right appearance. I am less confident about your spurt of activity, Dizzy. I need you today. (do your best with the time you have, etc)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:47 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:42 pm That he cared to switch off of Falcon at EoD. A collection of good posts, his fluffy and adorable hair, and my well known god read on him.

I thought Marmot's spurt of activity around EOD was generally of the right appearance. I am less confident about your spurt of activity, Dizzy. I need you today. (do your best with the time you have, etc)

I agree with everything!

Unfortunately, I still have low expectations of myself for this day.
Too bad you'll be dead by D3.

But of course, I'll do what I can.
I know what I think is the best things to focus on for the game state.
Now sleep, because it's 4am and apparently I'm still employed.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:50 pm But of course, I'll do what I can.
I know what I think is the best things to focus on for the game state.
Now sleep, because it's 4am and apparently I'm still employed.

don't get fired k

btw Dizzy you're about to hit 10,000 posts, prepare your ceremony

that's why I don't do reads on d1 lol

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:53 pm btw Dizzy you're about to hit 10,000 posts, prepare your ceremony

Also, I wasn't going to say anything. Remember there's not really objective standards for sincerity. But you already know this.
Depending on the alignment of certain players, this game can be very losable in the game state right now. Winnable too, for sure.
I look forward to admire your WIM, and everyone else's too.

Marmot and Alison for town, here. Everything else up in the air.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:42 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:37 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:34 pm I think Marmot is town. And that's probably the extent of my useful contribution right now.

What inspires you most about our dear local rodent

That he cared to switch off of Falcon at EoD. A collection of good posts, his fluffy and adorable hair, and my well known god read on him.

Have I ever randed scum in a game with you?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:50 pm But of course, I'll do what I can.
I know what I think is the best things to focus on for the game state.
Now sleep, because it's 4am and apparently I'm still employed.

Sweet dreams queen

I'm glad mafia killed Mac so we wouldn't have to tinfoil him after claiming to never being wrong on falcon, and then being wrong on falcon.

Currently, I think the following are various shades of town:

Town

Alison - town
Creature - light town
DrWilgy - strong town
Dyslexicon - light town
RondoDimBuckle - light town
fingersplints - light town
JaggedJimmyJay - strong town

Null

Boquise
lucy
NateTheLesser
Seanzie

Scum

EnderWiggin



I've never actually played with Boq, Nate, or lucy, nor have I put much thought into my read of them this game, which is why they are here. Sean, I don't recall having reason to believe is town (actually I did list one, but I no longer feel that reasoning exists), and Ender was the player I think looks most suspicious thus far.

I don't feel comfortable with the state of this read list, so I will put some effort into adjusting this, both in further informing my poor reads and also further pursuing if I still feel that my light town reads are still townie. I do feel confident on Wilgy and Jay at least.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:30 pm okay

As time permits this phase I have a few analytic tools in mind that I would like to deploy. Time may not permit as much as I would like especially over the next 48 hours, so I will again call upon the field to help me out. Any nerds out there who like to dig, please drop me a line and I will explain.

Sure

I will also shitpost today, who wants to shitpost?

hello marmot, if you wanna ask me anything I'm here so you can read me better

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:17 pm hello marmot, if you wanna ask me anything I'm here so you can read me better

Do you like to shitpost?

Also, why don't you like to do reads Day 1?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:15 pm Sure

You are appreciated.

The last thing I was hoping to achieve is the classical night kill analysis. Many people balk at the very idea of trying this, and I think they're wrong. Wifom is wifom blah blah, but we're remiss if we don't at least take a look. Moreover, in a mountainous game, at least one of the layers of wifom does not exist -- there are no doctor dodges. So it'd behoove us to review Mac and see where he sat. What we do with that I don't know right now, but we honor his memory enough to give him a voice.

If that's something that tickles you, I'd love to see what you come up with.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:18 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:17 pm hello marmot, if you wanna ask me anything I'm here so you can read me better

Do you like to shitpost?

not really, no

I am grateful to y'all for the help. I am already getting bombarded with bullshit outside the game, and it's making it very hard for me to even snail through my own analysis. So every bit of assistance is seriously appreciated

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:19 pm I am grateful to y'all for the help. I am already getting bombarded with bullshit outside the game, and it's making it very hard for me to even snail through my own analysis. So every bit of assistance is seriously appreciated

Scum chat popping eh?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:18 pm Also, why don't you like to do reads Day 1?

I was/am not good at them, hunting mafia was done easier when I let others do d1 and I progressively get more involved

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:18 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:18 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:17 pm hello marmot, if you wanna ask me anything I'm here so you can read me better

Do you like to shitpost?

not really, no

Do you enjoy it when other players do (in consumable quantities)?

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:19 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:18 pm Also, why don't you like to do reads Day 1?

I was/am not good at them, hunting mafia was done easier when I let others do d1 and I progressively get more involved

Is there a time/moment you like to get involved?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:19 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:19 pm I am grateful to y'all for the help. I am already getting bombarded with bullshit outside the game, and it's making it very hard for me to even snail through my own analysis. So every bit of assistance is seriously appreciated

Scum chat popping eh?

academic phone calls popping

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:45 pm [VOTE: Sean] aubergine

You should tell me about... me.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:21 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:19 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:18 pm Also, why don't you like to do reads Day 1?

I was/am not good at them, hunting mafia was done easier when I let others do d1 and I progressively get more involved

Is there a time/moment you like to get involved?

d2, now

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:22 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:21 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:19 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:18 pm Also, why don't you like to do reads Day 1?

I was/am not good at them, hunting mafia was done easier when I let others do d1 and I progressively get more involved

Is there a time/moment you like to get involved?

d2, now

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:20 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:18 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:18 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:17 pm hello marmot, if you wanna ask me anything I'm here so you can read me better

Do you like to shitpost?

not really, no

Do you enjoy it when other players do (in consumable quantities)?

only if I find them funny, which is very rare cause I'm a serious person who sucks at detecting irony/jokes

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:22 pm [VOTE: sean] aubergine

You should tell me about... me.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:25 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:22 pm [VOTE: sean] aubergine

You should tell me about... me.

I found your reaction to Dizzy's vote paltry.

I found your reaction to my vote amusing, but also paltry.

Vote Spreadsheet

This is something I do on my homesite because we don't have any sort of vote automation (and Ender will recognize it because I brought screenshots of it to our champs qualifier). If you want to see what the vote count was at any given point in time, this will help.

- There's a tab for each Day at the bottom. All votes from the thread are listed in chronological order, and on the right side is a running vote count that shows what the vote count was after each vote.
- Due to the vagaries of The Poll being separate from the thread, I'm using the timestamp from the vote post if I could find one. I also took poll screenshots occasionally and reconciled the vote counts (there are notes on the timestamps of when this was done), so at those points the count is definitely accurate. There were at least a few votes that I could tell happened from the screenshots but didn't see a vote post for, so that's what the "??:??" votes are.
- Waterfall: This tab shows, for each player, everyone that they voted for each day. Player alignments are colored in after they die.
- Wagons: Shows the final vote count from each day’s vote, with player alignments colored in as the game goes on.
- If you open the document you'll be anonymous to anyone else in there, so don't worry about doxxing yourself.
- I obviously won't be updating this anymore after I die.

Link removed in edit by mod

(I think that'll actually embed here..? Unless the preview is lying to me. It seems like it loses some of the formatting and doesn't show notes, so this is the actual link if you want to open the document:
Link removed in edit by mod

One item of note to start with regarding JJJ's idea to look at the Falcon votes: everyone except Boq/Rondo/Wilgy voted for Falcon at some point. So unless that's exactly the team, there are wolf fingerprints on the Falcon push.

Nate will be allowed to share this document by screenshot, but we can't utilize a shared, editable document outside the thread. Apologies for having to edit this post, but I couldn't see a good way around that.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:34 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:25 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:22 pm [VOTE: sean] aubergine

You should tell me about... me.

I found your reaction to Dizzy's vote paltry.

I found your reaction to my vote amusing, but also paltry.

How would you expect town!Sean to react to a naked vote from a player that usually has an okay read on him?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:16 pm I will also shitpost today, who wants to shitpost?

Speaking of which, has Boq posted a single meme?

My one concern with your spreadsheet Nate is that it is a tool that exists outside of the thread, and it is editable by you, which basically gives you an advantage to share information that you can change.

That said, it's fucking dynamite and I want it to stay!

Don't worry Sean, I'll save you from these pesky Marmots!

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:34 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:25 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:22 pm [VOTE: sean] aubergine

You should tell me about... me.

I found your reaction to Dizzy's vote paltry.

I found your reaction to my vote amusing, but also paltry.

How would you expect town!Sean to react to a naked vote from a player that usually has an okay read on him?

I would expect town!you to have more to say at this point on Day 2 than questioning a vote on you.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:37 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:16 pm I will also shitpost today, who wants to shitpost?

Speaking of which, has Boq posted a single meme?

Idk, I missed a lot of Day 1, and thus missed all of Boq's posts.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:46 pm @EnderWiggin You're not town for pretending you have deep thoughts that you don't want to share.

I'm town for having those thoughts though.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:40 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:37 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:16 pm I will also shitpost today, who wants to shitpost?

Speaking of which, has Boq posted a single meme?

Idk, I missed a lot of Day 1, and thus missed all of Boq's posts.

do you have the time to reread?

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:40 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:40 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:37 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:16 pm I will also shitpost today, who wants to shitpost?

Speaking of which, has Boq posted a single meme?

Idk, I missed a lot of Day 1, and thus missed all of Boq's posts.

do you have the time to reread?

Time, possibly. Interest, not particularly. I will if I feel motivated to do that.