Death Note Mafia [END]

[FZ.]

No FZ. You aren't the only one. I mentioned BWT earlier and I am seriously considering him for a vote. Though boo's case on llama merits some consideration I think, I just get scared voting llama because I usually am wrong when I do find him suspicious. It makes me nervous. As far as BWT though, his level of engagement is making me feel suspicious and the thing is I remember in GoC I was not at all surprised by his engagement there, I was in fact surprised by the fact he got lynched for it, but for some reason in this game it feels insincere to me, but I can't put my finger on why.

I think the case on BWT is better than the one on llama, not because Boo isn't right about the fact llama is not doing what he says he does as a civvie, but because the fact he isn't playing how he thinks he is, doesn't make him bad.

BWT, on the other hand, has just made a claasic baddie move, by voting for the most obvious choice, one that has no consequences because he never encouraged anyone to follow, nor is he here to debate it. He gave Russ a bate he knew Russ had to take, and Russ "took" it because he had no choice, making it easy for BWT to vote him.

linki: I have to post

[thellama73]

A final thought before I'm gone for a while.

llama began his Snowman suspicion, and mostly rests it on, Snowman looking for a bandwagon to join.

llama has admitted to wanting to bandwagon Snowman.

You vote Snowman, you're probably bandwagoning.

And then D3, llama will lead a bandwagon against you.

Just something to consider.

Haha, while that might be true, I'm not going to vote just based on that. I feel like most of your suspicion of him relies on the fact he doesn't meet his own standards of playing. But I think almost none of us do. The only thing I was really really bothered by, was his early vote, and he's managed to convince me it was genuine. At least for now


linki: Glad you find it cute. I'm a human being, I change my mind constantly. Just move to the floor, so you don't have to change positions in your chair. It's so confining.

linki: post now, answer later

If you go back and read the interaction, you'll see that boo voted for me because I made him mad. It was peevish and emotional. The case you're referencing came much later.

[FZ.]

Anyone who hasn't voted, please consider a vote for BWT

linki: llama, show me later, but right now, it doesn't matter much, does it?

[Tangrowth]

I need to change my position in my chair to improve my deductive reasoning skills 40%.

I don't sit like this because I want to. I have to sit like this.

[thellama73]

Anyone who hasn't voted, please consider a vote for BWT

linki: llama, show me later, but right now, it doesn't matter much, does it?

It matters to me if he manages to get me killed based on it.

[FZ.]

@ FZ - you're not the only one keeping an eye on teefies. He's on my watch list too. Teefies, LC, Made - though his post does bring up a good point, he's still someone I keep forgetting is playing and that's really weird as Made is pretty unforgettable. BR not because I suspect her per say but because I'm still trying to figure out how to read her in general. Outside of saying she wouldn't mind seeing more discussion on Snowman has Zombra been back to offer any more insights in light of the new Snowman discussion?

Oh yeah, I mean to comment on your previous post. Since no one is seeing baddie Bea, and apparently, I'm out of my game this game, I'm willing to wait and see how this continues.

Why are you keeping an eye on BWT, and is it enough for a vote? What has Made said that has got you worried other than you forgetting he's even playing?
As for LC, I started thinking he's acting very not like him, but lately, he feels more genuine and trying.


linki: I'll address these later

BWT - he's really really good at doing the "see all sides of the arguments" posts. He looks like he's concidering options and sometimes they feel genuine and sometimes they don't. I totally see what you are seeing in regards to his wanting answers from TH and Russ - saying he doesn't need them from Rusty and voting anyway. Feels like he knew how he wanted to vote and just set up a circumstance to make it look like he was giving Rusty a chance. TH never did answer his question like at all. I guess the thing that worries me most with Teefies is why did Rusty earn the vote but TH didn't? (Sorry TH - I was gonna sum up the question at some point today but tbh after a few pages, I don't remember it exactly anymore. It had something to do with your early vote for Llama though I think.) Compounded by not again asking he question when TH specificlly asked him to feels a lot like that was just pomp and cirucmstances to find a reason to vote the way he wanted to vote. Not sure if it's enough for a vote, but it may be where I end up going.

LC - So for most players I tend to run with the idea that they are all on the up and up and look for things that seem odd. This is not the case for LC. My meta experience with LC has left me just kinda always thinking he's bad and him having to work very hard to earn my trust. He knows this. We've post game talked a lot. Even when I think LC is civ, I'm always waiting for the other shoe to drop. He's as good of a mafia player as he is a civ, he's great at switching sides which makes him a prime candidate for recruitment any time that sort of mechanic is in play. I agree his posts read genuine. I also believe that this is an easy game to fall behind in and easy for players to hide in that "I'm super busy, I'm trying really!!" sort of posting. His posts tend to - much like svs said of epi - follow points of the game rather than players. It gives the appearance of contributing without contributing. Especially in a game with so much hair splitting.

Made - It's kinda the opposite reason for LC. Again, I get that RL is busy. He probably is swapped with school. My meta with him is that he tends to flounder a bit when he's bad but he's pretty ballz out right in the thick of things when he's a civ and figures he's got nothing to loose. The particular structures of this game (IE - the lack of baddie bts) seem taylor made for Made to shine, and I'm not really seeing that yet - which is a bit troubling.


linki - more linki - Daisy.

Okay, thanks. I think I'm going to vote for BWT, but will keep this in mind for the next days. I don't know Made that well, and apart from him not being around enough, I didn't see anything from LC.


TH, Zeek struck me as genuine in his posts and vote. I don't buy "slips". Almost never happen, and it's usually civvies that get accused for them.

linki: Fair enough

[Ricochet]

I personally feel the need to wrap up. I'm sorry if I've seen "steadfast in Snowman suspicion", according to TH's table (is everyone fine with him keeping track of our reasonings and activity, btw - just thought about asking), but I honestly couldn't keep up definitively with the "continues to contribute to all discussions" standard. Meanwhile, I did want to focus on both takes on Snowman, not to mention his own.

As for that, it was such a scrambled post, in tone and content, that I think anyone can extract from it what they feel is relevant for them. For me, apart from his "I've got a lot to offer" plead for more patience, he only felt entitled to consider Llama gunning for him (which is fine), but misrepresented both his charges and his intent and timing of (saying Llama pushed his case to deflect others). That is both timeline-wise unfaithful and especially ignorant of all the suspicions he raised earlier than that: his D0 poll option and lack of reasoning for it; his D1 form of catch-up; his bandwagon vote. Maybe he got mixed in his reading of the many phases of the debate on him (from both sides), but overall most of the points above are left unaddressed by him and I'm seeing intention in that more than idleness.

votes Snowman

linkis I don't even

[boo]

I think potential BWT voters should vote llama. But I'd also like to point out to potential BWT voters that they're a day behind, so if they lynch BWT today, then maybe they'll get to llama tomorrow. That would work.

[FZ.]

I just went back and read Snowman's posts. I don't like the votes for him. Stop it

[FZ.]

I think potential BWT voters should vote llama. But I'd also like to point out to potential BWT voters that they're a day behind, so if they lynch BWT today, then maybe they'll get to llama tomorrow. That would work.

BWT seems more baddie to me, and llama's defence, even if I don't agree with him, seems genuine. But at the rate Snowman is getting votes, this doesn't look good

[FZ.]

Has Zombarella posted anything lately?

[bea]

LOL - boo - has your opinion changed on teefies? I mean even if we are a day late, you agreed then with what was noticed today.

linki - haven't seen anything from her that I can remember since the beginning of the cycle when she said she agreed that we should look at snowman because he's a psychologigist (or something like that ) IRL so he knows how to be manipulative.

[boo]

Has Zombarella posted anything lately?

No. Her last post was about 4 hours after Day 2 started.

[FZ.]

Has Zombarella posted anything lately?

No. Her last post was about 4 hours after Day 2 started.

Does it rule out being silenced?

[boo]

LOL - boo - has your opinion changed on teefies? I mean even if we are a day late, you agreed then with what was noticed today.

linki - haven't seen anything from her that I can remember since the beginning of the cycle when she said she agreed that we should look at snowman because he's a psychologigist (or something like that ) IRL so he knows how to be manipulative.

No, I still think he's bad. I just think baddie llama is more dangerous. For example, that he is currently leading a bandwagon on someone I think is a civ, while BWT is really at most a bandwagon-er sort of baddie.

[boo]

Has Zombarella posted anything lately?

No. Her last post was about 4 hours after Day 2 started.

Does it rule out being silenced?

Well it was during D2, so yes.

[S~V~S]

No, she hasn't but she is Mrs Snowman. I would feel even less confortable with a vote for her than a vote for Snowman, tbh. At least Llama made a case on him, whether I agree with him or not.

[Elohcin]

Nobody reads my posts

I read your post and it pinged the hell out of me what do you mean there's no civ team?

I've been saying this for a while now. Someone else, DH, Ace, can't remember said that 58% of us don't want to kiss non-detectives. This game seems to be less of a civvie/baddie/independant type game. Even as a viewer of the show, (as I said before) it's difficult to decide who to go for....Light or the Detectives. Both feel they are doing what is good and right.

I honestly think it might be best that we stop referring to each other as civ or bad and instead as kira or detectives.

[Elohcin]

Nobody reads my posts

I read your post and it pinged the hell out of me what do you mean there's no civ team?

I've been saying this for a while now. Someone else, DH, Ace, can't remember said that 58% of us don't want to kiss non-detectives. This game seems to be less of a civvie/baddie/independant type game. Even as a viewer of the show, (as I said before) it's difficult to decide who to go for....Light or the Detectives. Both feel they are doing what is good and right.

I honestly think it might be best that we stop referring to each other as civ or bad and instead as kira or detectives.

Kill, I mean kill. Not kiss

[S~V~S]

Nobody reads my posts

I read your post and it pinged the hell out of me what do you mean there's no civ team?

I've been saying this for a while now. Someone else, DH, Ace, can't remember said that 58% of us don't want to kiss non-detectives. This game seems to be less of a civvie/baddie/independant type game. Even as a viewer of the show, (as I said before) it's difficult to decide who to go for....Light or the Detectives. Both feel they are doing what is good and right.

I honestly think it might be best that we stop referring to each other as civ or bad and instead as kira or detectives.

The role description for the Kira Sympathizers calls them a baddie team.

[center]Kira and His Sympathizers (7)[/center]

Unlike typical baddie teams, these roles do not all share BTSC by default. See individual roles for publicly known BTSC information. Kira and His Sympathizers win when Kira has eliminated the Detectives and subsequently starts his utopian New World.[/b][/size]

[Matahari]

SoC- just my random thoughts

Someone mentioned that Russ might be cursed or whatever, and that maybe he wasn't, just going to float through the game without posting, and he's still doing it. Whichever it was, he's still doing it. I don't see a good reason for his lack of posting or contribution, so I'll probably vote him. I don't see why nobody is paying attention to that

Llama says its awful to be playing the way that Snowman is playing, and he shouldn't get any passes for being new. There is some saying about doing something the same way over and over, and expecting different results, and yet, Llama is whining about getting killed early in too many games. Maybe you should be wondering why this happens. I do not see any good of this case on snowman or the way it was presented. too much thread derailment going on. If he is bad, then llama has an info type role, and should have waited a bit longer to actually build a more convincing case on him. This case just sounds like a Llama trick, and I'm tempted to vote there.

I don't think Epig is up to any good either, but I can't really figure out why I feel that way. He's not doing anything that seems remotely helpful

I still feel weird about Metalmarsh voting Epig. His convo with Llama was very confusing, he seemed to disagree with llama, but then he would post something that sounded like he was feeding llama, then back to disagreeing with him. Then he votes epig, kind of out of the blue. Maybe he has bts with llama.

anyway, this all makes sense to me, good luck trying to figure out what the hell the crazy old broad is going on about-

I'll vote in a minute

[Boomslang]

No FZ. You aren't the only one. I mentioned BWT earlier and I am seriously considering him for a vote. Though boo's case on llama merits some consideration I think, I just get scared voting llama because I usually am wrong when I do find him suspicious. It makes me nervous. As far as BWT though, his level of engagement is making me feel suspicious and the thing is I remember in GoC I was not at all surprised by his engagement there, I was in fact surprised by the fact he got lynched for it, but for some reason in this game it feels insincere to me, but I can't put my finger on why.

I think the case on BWT is better than the one on llama, not because Boo isn't right about the fact llama is not doing what he says he does as a civvie, but because the fact he isn't playing how he thinks he is, doesn't make him bad.

BWT, on the other hand, has just made a claasic baddie move, by voting for the most obvious choice, one that has no consequences because he never encouraged anyone to follow, nor is he here to debate it. He gave Russ a bate he knew Russ had to take, and Russ "took" it because he had no choice, making it easy for BWT to vote him.

linki: I have to post

This is a really good summation of the case against BWT and helps me clarify my own thoughts on the issue. I'm guessing that both BWT and Snowman are bad, but of the two, I think BWT has the potential to be more dangerous. Snowman's probably going to get lynched anyway, so I'll throw a vote on BWT to indicate my feelings and provide some support if others want to join me.

[FZ.]

Has Zombarella posted anything lately?

No. Her last post was about 4 hours after Day 2 started.

Does it rule out being silenced?

Well it was during D2, so yes.

Thanks, thought so.

No, she hasn't but she is Mrs Snowman. I would feel even less confortable with a vote for her than a vote for Snowman, tbh. At least Llama made a case on him, whether I agree with him or not.

I didn't mean to lynch her but wondered if she was silenced, and if so, who would want to do that. Never mind

[Epignosis]

I need to change my position in my chair to improve my deductive reasoning skills 40%.

I don't sit like this because I want to. I have to sit like this.

I actually tried it and damn near fucked myself up.

It has made me aware, however, that when I am thinking, I tend to touch my lip.

I just went back and read Snowman's posts. I don't like the votes for him. Stop it

Oh, NOW you want to say that?

[Black Rock]

Llama, why do you think of him as a non-participator and not just a low poster? I am going back and forth trying to make heads or tails of why you aren't more understanding of a newer player. You are aggressive, everyone knows that, this is why I don't suspect you at this point. I just see why you seem to be so harsh concerning Snowman. Am I reading it on the sensitive side?

That's all from me for now. It's hard to type with a baby on your lap.

Again, for the millionth time, my suspicion and vote for Snowman are not based on his level of participation, but the content of his posts.

Unlike boo, I don't see very much distinction between someone who doesn't post at all and someone who doesn't post anything of substance. Neither is trying to baddie hunt. Neither is contributing to the discussion. Neither is really playing the game.

But again, that's not why I am voting Snowman. I just think boo is hypocrite for saying we should lynch people who don't contribute and then defending Snowman so hard.

I am not entirely talking about your suspicion. I just wanted to know why your usage of words regarding Snowman. Gah! Dinner is almost ready and I don't have time to read the last couple of pages of posts. I am going to vote for Boo now.

[FZ.]

No FZ. You aren't the only one. I mentioned BWT earlier and I am seriously considering him for a vote. Though boo's case on llama merits some consideration I think, I just get scared voting llama because I usually am wrong when I do find him suspicious. It makes me nervous. As far as BWT though, his level of engagement is making me feel suspicious and the thing is I remember in GoC I was not at all surprised by his engagement there, I was in fact surprised by the fact he got lynched for it, but for some reason in this game it feels insincere to me, but I can't put my finger on why.

I think the case on BWT is better than the one on llama, not because Boo isn't right about the fact llama is not doing what he says he does as a civvie, but because the fact he isn't playing how he thinks he is, doesn't make him bad.

BWT, on the other hand, has just made a claasic baddie move, by voting for the most obvious choice, one that has no consequences because he never encouraged anyone to follow, nor is he here to debate it. He gave Russ a bate he knew Russ had to take, and Russ "took" it because he had no choice, making it easy for BWT to vote him.

linki: I have to post

This is a really good summation of the case against BWT and helps me clarify my own thoughts on the issue. I'm guessing that both BWT and Snowman are bad, but of the two, I think BWT has the potential to be more dangerous. Snowman's probably going to get lynched anyway, so I'll throw a vote on BWT to indicate my feelings and provide some support if others want to join me.

Good. I'm voting him myself

[FZ.]

I need to change my position in my chair to improve my deductive reasoning skills 40%.

I don't sit like this because I want to. I have to sit like this.

I actually tried it and damn near fucked myself up.

It has made me aware, however, that when I am thinking, I tend to touch my lip.

I just went back and read Snowman's posts. I don't like the votes for him. Stop it

Oh, NOW you want to say that?

[FZ.]

Sorry, meant to say there are still enough voters to vote otherwise.


BR, don't vote Boo!! How's that going to help now?

[FZ.]

Damn, too late.

[FZ.]

Epi, aside from voting me, which obviously won't do much, who among those with votes are you willing to vote for?

[thellama73]

Llama says its awful to be playing the way that Snowman is playing, and he shouldn't get any passes for being new. There is some saying about doing something the same way over and over, and expecting different results, and yet, Llama is whining about getting killed early in too many games. Maybe you should be wondering why this happens. I do not see any good of this case on snowman or the way it was presented. too much thread derailment going on. If he is bad, then llama has an info type role, and should have waited a bit longer to actually build a more convincing case on him. This case just sounds like a Llama trick, and I'm tempted to vote there.

I know why it happens. I play the same way every game - aggressive, confident, combative. It's how I like to play. It's how I have fun. Toning it down would be less fun and more effort for me, and I feel like my dishonesty in not posting how I wanted to post would be transparent.

My mistake is in expecting people to remember how I always play and learn from it. I had hoped that after enough games of lynching me for being aggressive and me flipping civ, people would start to realize that me being aggressive does not necessarily mean I'm bad. But it hasn't happened yet in over a year of playing, so I guess I have too much faith in people.

I could win a lot more by treating people like they are stupid and playing transparently under the radar games like so many people do, but it is not in my nature to play that way, and I would not enjoy it.

[Elohcin]

Nobody reads my posts

I read your post and it pinged the hell out of me what do you mean there's no civ team?

I've been saying this for a while now. Someone else, DH, Ace, can't remember said that 58% of us don't want to kiss non-detectives. This game seems to be less of a civvie/baddie/independant type game. Even as a viewer of the show, (as I said before) it's difficult to decide who to go for....Light or the Detectives. Both feel they are doing what is good and right.

I honestly think it might be best that we stop referring to each other as civ or bad and instead as kira or detectives.

The role description for the Kira Sympathizers calls them a baddie team.

[center]Kira and His Sympathizers (7)[/center]

Unlike typical baddie teams, these roles do not all share BTSC by default. See individual roles for publicly known BTSC information. Kira and His Sympathizers win when Kira has eliminated the Detectives and subsequently starts his utopian New World.[/b][/size]

hmm. well, alright. But I still think its weird.

[thellama73]

FZ, you haven't explained why you are suddenly so confident in Snowman and why you are so eager to manipulate the last hour of the lynch.

[Epignosis]

Epi, aside from voting me, which obviously won't do much, who among those with votes are you willing to vote for?

See, this is what drives me bat-shit insane. I'm supposed to vote Snowman now because voting elsewhere won't do much? I will vote where I like, even if that person currently has zero votes.

I really think you are no good FZ.

[thellama73]

Epi, aside from voting me, which obviously won't do much, who among those with votes are you willing to vote for?

See, this is what drives me bat-shit insane. I'm supposed to vote Snowman now because voting elsewhere won't do much? I will vote where I like, even if that person currently has zero votes.

I really think you are no good FZ.

Epi, she's trying to collect votes so as to lynch anyone but Snowman, in whom she has placed sudden and unexplained trust.

[FZ.]

FZ, you haven't explained why you are suddenly so confident in Snowman and why you are so eager to manipulate the last hour of the lynch.

Because after he got more votes I went to look up the posts I missed from last night, and they seem more genuine than most posts in this game. I could be wrong of course, but I believe I'm not, and I also don't see you as a baddie, hence I'm trying to push people to vote for BWT to prevent what I believe might be a civ lynch


linki: Whatever. You still haven't answered the question. Are you thinking what's in your best interest to do now?

[Elohcin]

I thought they were opposite of genuine.

[S~V~S]

OK, I wanted to vote Epi, but I can also see the points on BWT. The more Llama posts the more frustrated he sounds, which equates to civ Llama for me. Bad Llama is cooler in the thread since he has the chat to complain to.

But there is really limited BTS this game. BUT also why would a baddie work so hard and go so far out on a limb to lynch Snowman?

boo made many good points, but tbh, I have seen Llama be just as sneaky and manipulative when a civ (that's a compliment llama )

And Llama, Mata is right. If you do something 20 times, and it gets you lynched 20 times, it's time to modify what you do. It can't be fun for you, since I know how frustrated you get over being lynched early all the time.

[Epignosis]

linki: Whatever. You still haven't answered the question. Are you thinking what's in your best interest to do now?

Assuming this is addressed to me: Yes. Always.

[FZ.]

Let me tell you Epi, you're looking worse by the minute. I didn't ask you to vote Snowman. If anything, I asked you not to. I just asked you not to waste a vote, and you're giving me this shitty speech about how you're going to vote whoever you damn well please. Bravo

[FZ.]

OK, I wanted to vote Epi, but I can also see the points on BWT. The more Llama posts the more frustrated he sounds, which equates to civ Llama for me. Bad Llama is cooler in the thread since he has the chat to complain to.

But there is really limited BTS this game. BUT also why would a baddie work so hard and go so far out on a limb to lynch Snowman?

boo made many good points, but tbh, I have seen Llama be just as sneaky and manipulative when a civ (that's a compliment llama )

And Llama, Mata is right. If you do something 20 times, and it gets you lynched 20 times, it's time to modify what you do. It can't be fun for you, since I know how frustrated you get over being lynched early all the time.

After all that's been going on, I'd vote Epi too, but since it won't help us, what about voting BWT?

[thellama73]

I thought they were opposite of genuine.

Agreed. Having played another game with Snowman, he is NOT the helpless, confused n00b he is portraying himself as. My consolation is that he will not be able to pull this stunt again after this game.

[Matahari]

Llama says its awful to be playing the way that Snowman is playing, and he shouldn't get any passes for being new. There is some saying about doing something the same way over and over, and expecting different results, and yet, Llama is whining about getting killed early in too many games. Maybe you should be wondering why this happens. I do not see any good of this case on snowman or the way it was presented. too much thread derailment going on. If he is bad, then llama has an info type role, and should have waited a bit longer to actually build a more convincing case on him. This case just sounds like a Llama trick, and I'm tempted to vote there.

I know why it happens. I play the same way every game - aggressive, confident, combative. It's how I like to play. It's how I have fun. Toning it down would be less fun and more effort for me, and I feel like my dishonesty in not posting how I wanted to post would be transparent.

My mistake is in expecting people to remember how I always play and learn from it. I had hoped that after enough games of lynching me for being aggressive and me flipping civ, people would start to realize that me being aggressive does not necessarily mean I'm bad. But it hasn't happened yet in over a year of playing, so I guess I have too much faith in people.

I could win a lot more by treating people like they are stupid and playing transparently under the radar games like so many people do, but it is not in my nature to play that way, and I would not enjoy it.

I think its a debatable point that you treat people like they are stupid regardless of how you are playing. But people get used to it and don't mind it so much. However, I hope you realize that most of what you do when you're in aggressive mode makes people believe you are bad. Would you rather be ignored? When you make a grand obsession over some not very bad point, do you want people to just say "oh thats how he always plays, just ignore him". I don't get the strategy, but that's just me, I guess.

I think its odd that you were panicked on day 1 by BR's mistaken vote on you. I think you won't die from a lynch, but you don't want anyone to know your role. In which case it would be pointless to vote you.

[Turnip Head]

I endorse the BWT counterbandwagon. The way he went after me and Russ seemed pretty shady. I don't think Snowman is bad, at all.

[S~V~S]

Epi, aside from voting me, which obviously won't do much, who among those with votes are you willing to vote for?

See, this is what drives me bat-shit insane. I'm supposed to vote Snowman now because voting elsewhere won't do much? I will vote where I like, even if that person currently has zero votes.

I really think you are no good FZ.

Epi, she's trying to collect votes so as to lynch anyone but Snowman, in whom she has placed sudden and unexplained trust.

Not thinking someone sounds bad is NOT the same as trust, it does not mean they sound good. This is twisting, you are doing the pretzel, my friend.

Linki, hrm.

[thellama73]

And Llama, Mata is right. If you do something 20 times, and it gets you lynched 20 times, it's time to modify what you do. It can't be fun for you, since I know how frustrated you get over being lynched early all the time.

That's in direct contradiction to what you told me the last time we had BTSC.

[S~V~S]

And Llama, Mata is right. If you do something 20 times, and it gets you lynched 20 times, it's time to modify what you do. It can't be fun for you, since I know how frustrated you get over being lynched early all the time.

That's in direct contradiction to what you told me the last time we had BTSC.

And what was that? This is how I actually feel, I think that you get lynched all the time for your flippant attitude and inability to modify your stance. I can't imagine I said that to you in BTS, but I can't imagine that I said anything in total contradiction of it.

[FZ.]

I thought they were opposite of genuine.

Agreed. Having played another game with Snowman, he is NOT the helpless, confused n00b he is portraying himself as. My consolation is that he will not be able to pull this stunt again after this game.

The following seems nothing like playing the noob card. He knows perfectly well what he's saying, and he saying your reasoning sucks.

Hey guys, back again! What's going....HOLY CRAP I'M GONNA DIE?!



Epi and DH have an epic game of chicken that could have been ripped right from an 80s action movie, and Epi flinched. Epi became the target of attention because he never followed through with his threat to kill DH. Llama jumped in to deflect to Snowman with the airtight argument of "what's his deal"? Since then, he's expanded his anti-Snowman argument to include:

+ what's his deal?
+ I called him out, he saw it and didn't repond immediately
+ He hasn't posted since yesterday.

I hopped online last night, immediately recognized that I didn't have time to wade through the day's comments, so I made a quick "not a baddie" statement for the press, then hit the sack.

Now the argument expands to:

+ what's his deal?
+ I called him out, he saw it and didn't repond immediately
+ He hasn't posted since yesterday
+ He can't be as dumb as he sounds
+ Does he understand the word 'Bandwagon', because we accused him of hopping on one, and he didn't care (forgot to mention that one earlier)
+ He still didn't offer a convincing argument for why we should believe he's a civvie.

I'm unsure of what I might do differently if I were bad. I am sure that I'm playing a game, I guess I'm a more casual player than some, but I'm still willing to hop on once or twice a day share my two bits, use my power if I have one, vote, then rinse and repeat the following day.

Buuuuuuuut, it is a social deduction game. Maybe good civvies behave differently, if this were live, I'd be looking at faces and body language. On a bulletin board, we look at posts, and something about how I post strikes some as a Stone-Cold-Kira. I'm not disappointed, but I want to improve and better support my team in the future, while still having fun. Maybe one day I will earn the "Well, that's just him, he's always like that" status that Epi and Russ seem to benefit from.

Don't kill me guys, I've got a lot to offer. Llama's got it in for me, which is weird, and his circular argument of "I think he's guilty because I said he was guilty so I think he's guilty" doesn't hold water.

Or do, and I'll haunt you with my spooky red text.

[S~V~S]

ebwop to 19 posts ago~

Also keep in mind that we are genrally adversarial, in thread and in the mod forum. So i want to try and be less so, and a chatroom is the perfect way to do that.

[thellama73]

Epi, aside from voting me, which obviously won't do much, who among those with votes are you willing to vote for?

See, this is what drives me bat-shit insane. I'm supposed to vote Snowman now because voting elsewhere won't do much? I will vote where I like, even if that person currently has zero votes.

I really think you are no good FZ.

Epi, she's trying to collect votes so as to lynch anyone but Snowman, in whom she has placed sudden and unexplained trust.

Not thinking someone sounds bad is NOT the same as trust, it does not mean they sound good. This is twisting, you are doing the pretzel, my friend.

Linki, hrm.

Trust that he is not bad. You know what I meant.