The Syndicate

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Zombie why do you think SVS wants what you have? I mean if you do get lynched I would think the mafia would just night kill her soo it's really putting a target on her

Zombarella wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Who isn't reading the thread?

Apparently you because I named at least one name in my last post.

S~V~S wrote:I had one thing, a shiny statue. Of Buddha, who is awesome. And someone tried to do something to me, and Buddha protected me, but now he's just like a tchotchke, not special. He lost his glow.

I want the baddie people who took my Buddhas specialness from me to pay, tbh.

Linki, I think you are the one not reading the thread, Zomba.

Oh by the way everyone, when I burned my worthless stock certificate the ashes spelled out the words "SVS makes up stuff". I don't know what it means but....something to think about.

fingersplints wrote:

Zombarella wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Who isn't reading the thread?

Apparently you because I named at least one name in my last post.

you said "so many people". surely you can name more than one if you want to use it as part of your defense.

S~V~S wrote:
Linki, Zomba, I don't make up stuff.

Zombarella wrote:
linki: Yes, I can follow SVS's thoughts, but it just relies on so many assumptions that just plain aren't true and could just as easily be explained by civ circumstances and civ behavior. Don't you think that some of what she's claiming is kind of a stretch?

Zombarella wrote:

S~V~S wrote:
Linki, Zomba, I don't make up stuff.

Says you.

Epignosis wrote:Wll wll wll.

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Wll wll wll.

will will will?

I think epi wants your stuff :P

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Wll wll wll.

will will will?

I think epi wants your stuff :P

Seriously though, Zombs, you've given me pause for thought. I actually read what you said as civ.

Zombarella wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I had one thing, a shiny statue. Of Buddha, who is awesome. And someone tried to do something to me, and Buddha protected me, but now he's just like a tchotchke, not special. He lost his glow.

I want the baddie people who took my Buddhas specialness from me to pay, tbh.

Linki, I think you are the one not reading the thread, Zomba.

Oh don't you dare. I read that. I just don't believe it. You could just be saying that to make yourself look good.

Oh by the way everyone, when I burned my worthless stock certificate the ashes spelled out the words "SVS makes up stuff". I don't know what it means but....something to think about.

linki: Yes, I can follow SVS's thoughts, but it just relies on so many assumptions that just plain aren't true and could just as easily be explained by civ circumstances and civ behavior. Don't you think that some of what she's claiming is kind of a stretch?

S~V~S wrote:Zomba, earnest advice~ if people are accusing you, you are better served by defending yourself as opposed to attacking others.

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Zomba, earnest advice~ if people are accusing you, you are better served by defending yourself as opposed to attacking others.

But the best defense is a good offense!

S~V~S wrote:

Zombarella wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I had one thing, a shiny statue. Of Buddha, who is awesome. And someone tried to do something to me, and Buddha protected me, but now he's just like a tchotchke, not special. He lost his glow.

I want the baddie people who took my Buddhas specialness from me to pay, tbh.

Linki, I think you are the one not reading the thread, Zomba.

Oh don't you dare. I read that. I just don't believe it. You could just be saying that to make yourself look good.

Oh by the way everyone, when I burned my worthless stock certificate the ashes spelled out the words "SVS makes up stuff". I don't know what it means but....something to think about.

linki: Yes, I can follow SVS's thoughts, but it just relies on so many assumptions that just plain aren't true and could just as easily be explained by civ circumstances and civ behavior. Don't you think that some of what she's claiming is kind of a stretch?

Also, i am not "claiming" anything, I said about 8,000 times that it is a theory.

rabbit8 wrote:You seem to back peddle on everything you say Liz and that is very incriminating IMO.

Canucklehead wrote: I'm less certain about LizKeen. I agree with Epi that the "case" against Vomps was basically an empty WOT, but I'm wondering if she isn't under some sort of "enthrallment" where she has to make a case on someone? I dunno if that's how that role works or not, but it's something to consider maybe?

rabbit8 wrote: I don't have Epi down a civvie or indy or a baddie. I think he is looking for baddies as I agree with some of his thoughts. What's your point exactly?

Epignosis wrote:LzKn rmvd pgnss’ psts frm cntxt.

juliets wrote: I'm not sure why you would suspect me LizKeen. I specifically said - twice - that I would wait for your responses before I made any decision about whether you were a suspect or not. This just looks like a list of people who have mentioned you. But tell me what you find suspicious or questions you have about me and I will respond.

As far as I can see all my questions of you have been answered.

juliets wrote:Liz, though you made comments on some of Epi's points in general I don't see where you answered his case or Golden's few points about you. I'm still holding out until I hear your responses.

Long Con wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:TH being quiet this long? Is there some way they could both be silenced?

If she does not post all day and TH does not who would fake it? Not sure but I doubt there are two silencer roles. Maybe an item could account for this?

Epignosis wrote:Pgnss thnks Glrck trgtd smn t gv hs wll t. Th prsn h trgtd ws th Blnd Bst, Crl vn Trsslr.

*rl chck*

f Pgnss s rght, ppl shld lk fr sddn cs md gnst smn.

If that post is about my case about you it has nothing to do with anyone targeting me. I want to be very clear, I have not been targeted with anything. Unless someone used their extra votes against me. Which does worry me tbh.

S~V~S wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:So we are actually going to wait for the info dump now?

Seriously.

I was hoping whoever had those ear tubes might have something to say, but I can see 5 possibilities: either they didn't use them, got blocked, didn't hear a mafia convo, are choosing not to say to not make themselves a target or BR took them from me Night One and then got killed and they're in the hands of the mafia. BR could clear up that last one.

Long Con wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:So we are actually going to wait for the info dump now?

We don't have to. We could just start voting Epignosis.

Clearly not gonna happen.

Zombarella wrote:

juliets wrote:Maybe if someone less prolific than TH appeared silenced it might make it more believable that zomba is the one who is really silenced. However, I think I would have seen that as the baddies silencing one of their own given the situation. I am not going to vote yet though, in case something rl happened today I want to at least give her part of tomorrow to respond to whats been said.

ZOMBA IS NOT SILENCED!!! I WILL NEVER BE SILENCED.

I don't know why but this made me laugh.

Zombarella wrote: Oh by the way everyone, when I burned my worthless stock certificate the ashes spelled out the words "SVS makes up stuff". I don't know what it means but....something to think about.

And you didn't say this before? That's rather frustrating/odd when I was making my suspicions of SVS known and sticking my neck out saying what I heard in the ear tubes you said nothing about this.

S~V~S wrote:ct fght

And it's highly entertaining.

S~V~S wrote:
Not when you are already under attack. Too late then. A good offense keeps attacks at bay, and prevents attacks from happening, but once attacks have started, the best defense is a good defense.

per Sun Tzu

Now really, I have to get up in like 6.5 hours lol.

I couldn't figure out what pgnss meant. The closest I could get was prognosis.*facepalm* I posted and comment the posts of yours that didn't make me feel like you were being particularly civvie in the order you posted them. If I had posted all of your posts people would still be reading it because it would be epically wrong. Do you requote all their posts when you're trying to make a case?

LizKeen wrote:

Epignosis wrote:LzKn rmvd pgnss’ psts frm cntxt.

I couldn't figure out what pgnss meant. The closest I could get was prognosis.*facepalm* I posted and comment the posts of yours that didn't make me feel like you were being particularly civvie in the order you posted them. If I had posted all of your posts people would still be reading it because it would be epically wrong. Do you requote all their posts when you're trying to make a case?

LizKeen wrote:

I couldn't figure out what pgnss meant. The closest I could get was prognosis.*facepalm* I posted and comment the posts of yours that didn't make me feel like you were being particularly civvie in the order you posted them. If I had posted all of your posts people would still be reading it because it would be epically wrong. Do you requote all their posts when you're trying to make a case?

This should have read epically long, not epically wrong. And no it wasn't some Freudian slip.

Also, noone ever responded to my question about Epi's and LC's Day 1 back-and-forth about who was lying. I clearly don't trust Epi but oes someone who has played with them both have an opinion there.

Epignosis wrote:

LizKeen wrote:

Epignosis wrote:LzKn rmvd pgnss’ psts frm cntxt.

I couldn't figure out what pgnss meant. The closest I could get was prognosis.*facepalm* I posted and comment the posts of yours that didn't make me feel like you were being particularly civvie in the order you posted them. If I had posted all of your posts people would still be reading it because it would be epically wrong. Do you requote all their posts when you're trying to make a case?

Hmm.

Epignosis wrote:

juliets wrote:Epi, my thoughts right now on Liz is that she should have spent time defending against the two cases out there on her rather than give us half a case which she then said she didn't believe anymore and a recitation of Vompatti's posts. I'm pretty sure she said she had a case to present prior to the two cases against her but given the situation I think she should have defended first. I'll still hold judgement until I see her response but I'm not liking how it's going so far.

How do you feel about her Epi?

If you had any idea how much time I've spent rereading posts and requoting and making comments when I'm here you would not make that comment. If I got paid for it I could the family out to a VERY nice meal.

Sophie wrote:I kind of read zombad reaction as a frustrated civ, but i could be wrong since im often wrong about this. Is there a posdibilty she is teææing the truth, though? It reminds me of when im wrongfully accused by many (like in rr) and the frustration thatvbrings

LizKeen wrote:

I couldn't figure out what pgnss meant. The closest I could get was prognosis.*facepalm* I posted and comment the posts of yours that didn't make me feel like you were being particularly civvie in the order you posted them. If I had posted all of your posts people would still be reading it because it would be epically wrong. Do you requote all their posts when you're trying to make a case?

This should have read epically long, not epically wrong. And no it wasn't some Freudian slip.


Also, noone ever responded to my question about Epi's and LC's Day 1 back-and-forth about who was lying. I clearly don't trust Epi but oes someone who has played with them both have an opinion there.

LizKeen wrote:The people on Michigan Avenue last night were Epi, Long Con, A Person, TH and bwt so it seems likely one of them was the source? I've been trying to figure out the wording in that Night Post and I can't really decide what to make of it. I don't however think it was something Llama came up with. It feels like there's a word missing or two missing at the beginning of the sentence that starts with "A Team", probably doesn't matter but I'm just curious. I'm not sure why the mafia would say it and assume they were going to be successful on targeting SVS since there's no way to be sure a kill will go through. It doesn't sound like Jeff Darrell as it's his paper and it says a "source".

juliets wrote:Zomba, you never answered my question.

Zombarella wrote:Okay. I've spent some serious time with some host PMs and I've been talked down from the ledge. For all of you who are so obviously ready to "assume that Zomba is bad" because BF (or whoever) said, "My paper says I should kill Zomba" you need to check your logic...and the roles...and the items...and Llama's host style.

For ease of reference I have posted the roles below. Where does it say that baddies are the only only ones with money? Why couldn't I be the burglar or the inventor or the wealthy gad or the lawyer or someone who actually picked a valuable item. How do you know that I didn't lie about the stock certificate so that it wouldn't get stolen?

Any suspicion of me is pure speculation based on lazy baddie hunting or a baddie plot to lynch a civ. Whoever suggested that this might be a baddie plot to throw another baddie under the bus -- what?! Why would a baddie team do that on day 1? There are literally twice as many civs as baddies and you think that they would be like "oh, who cares if we're down one right out the gate?" I was on a baddie team last game and wouldn't have made any sense at all.

Roles:

Civilians: Kill All Mafia to Win
Gilrick Sandringham - The Jack of All Trades. Extremely well read and a master of taking on others’ identities. Also completely insane. Gets a different power every night.

Patrick McFee - The Cemetery Superintendent - Can role check the dead.

Tim Waldo - The Burglar - Can steal an item each night.

Mimi LeCompte - The Reptile Queen - Can send her reptiles after people, tormenting them.

John Cooper Jarndyce - The Sensationalist - Can create a scene which will enthrall two players for a day.

Jeff Darrell - The Ace Reporter - Finds out the location of various items, which he can choose to publish in his paper or not.

Philodexter Maxellus - The Poetry Publisher - Can post poems in the thread to share his thoughts.

John Barr - The Inventor of the Barr Bag - Can put one item in the Barr Bag, preventing it from being stolen.

Sophie Kratzenschneiderwümpel - The Litigious Lady - Files lawsuits to extract items from male roles.

Simon Grundt - The Feeble-Minded Detective - Gets info but there is a 50% chance it is wrong.

Casimer Jech - The Antique Dealer - Can trade his items for others each night. If the item is usable, both parties can immediately gain the benefit.

Oliver Oliver - The Wealthy Gad-About-Town - Gives himself BTSC with another player each night.

Luke McCracken - The Cracksman - Searches for the safe or Shrik’s vault, finding a secret inside in addition to any items stored there.

Chief O’Toole - The Police Chief - Can arrest someone each night, nullifying their vote the following day and their ability to use any items.

Sato Okimo - The Japanese Lawyer - Can execute wills, stock certificates and promissory notes.


Mafia: Outnumber Civilians and Celestials to Win
Macleish MacPherson - The Crooked Doctor - Can dispense medicine that does a variety of unsavory and often illegal things.

Ivan Kossakoff - The Strangler - Can silence every night.

Carl von Tresseler - The Blond Beast of Bremen - Kills every night.

Reed Bardeen - The Millionaire Anarchist - Becomes more powerful the more votes he takes (that don’t kill him.)

Gustav Shrik - The Banker - Can store papers in his vault.


Celestials: Survive and Possess All Five Treasures of the Orient to Win
Napoleon Foy - The Laundryman - Can wash another player’s clothes to remove a lynch vote. Clean people are less suspicious.

Wah Hung Fung - The King of Chinatown - Can target one person and learn one item they have.

Li Ling Lee - The Chop Suey Cook - Can feed someone t remove a lynch vote. Food is strength.

Legga the Human Spider - The Circus Performer - Her superior dexterity allows her to dodge one night kill.

Ichabod Chang - The Chinese Thief - Can steal from someone each night.