The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote:Only had 300 posts left to catch up on, big post and everything half written too

sig wrote:Glorfindel I'm almost convinced your a baddie at this point. Gordon a player with no additional information said to not share evidence okay cool, NOT we should look at the players who where for it. Which was mainly me, Zebra, and Dfraday. This seems like your trying to start the wheels of my lynch especially since the only argument used against me yesterday to justify my lynch was me advocating for us to share map information. If he wanted us to look more closely at certain players I'd think he'd have said it. He is going along with the general thoughts in the thread no map sharing, and Team Bat are good.
I'm also curious you seemed to have ignored zebra sharing information in an attempt to "trap" me?

Could wilgy's death have anything to do with him being on the right track about a player? He didn't have many posts, but I agree with MP he seemed like a random choice for the first NK, unless they thought he was the other mafia team and so far in my experience here on TS the mafia don't gun for each other this early. Thoughts?

MovingPictures07 wrote:sig, wtf?! Breaking Bad is amazing. And the characters are supposed to be flawed. :P

I'm up to episode six just not feeling it.
Flawed is all well and good, but flawed and annoying? If that is the life of a meth dealer count me out.

Glorfindel wrote:

sig wrote:Glorfindel I'm almost convinced your a baddie at this point. Gordon a player with no additional information said to not share evidence okay cool, NOT we should look at the players who where for it. Which was mainly me, Zebra, and Dfraday. This seems like your trying to start the wheels of my lynch especially since the only argument used against me yesterday to justify my lynch was me advocating for us to share map information. If he wanted us to look more closely at certain players I'd think he'd have said it. He is going along with the general thoughts in the thread no map sharing, and Team Bat are good.
I'm also curious you seemed to have ignored zebra sharing information in an attempt to "trap" me?

Could wilgy's death have anything to do with him being on the right track about a player? He didn't have many posts, but I agree with MP he seemed like a random choice for the first NK, unless they thought he was the other mafia team and so far in my experience here on TS the mafia don't gun for each other this early. Thoughts?

Keep your shirt on Sig! I'm not trying to "trap" you at all. What I said was hat given the information in Gordon's message (and Epi's remark at the start of the game that has already been discussed previously on this topic) it appears to me sharing any information we individually receive is imprudent. Clearly (to me at least) we are better not sharing the information we find. Yes, I did say that I thought it worth looking again more critically at those who advocated sharing such information. I NEVER mentioned your name and yet, you've taken what I said as some kind of blatant accusation. Why so sensitive? If I didn't know better, I'd think you had something to hide...

sig wrote: I was the main person arguing the pros of map sharing

sig wrote:I wasn't the ringleader

sig wrote:I'd be up for a Glorfindel lynch today. I will ISO him tomorrow, but my gut is telling me he isn't pro civ at all.

@MP what do you think about the fact Wilgy was close to getting lynched and then got NK'd?

sig wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

sig wrote:Glorfindel I'm almost convinced your a baddie at this point. Gordon a player with no additional information said to not share evidence okay cool, NOT we should look at the players who where for it. Which was mainly me, Zebra, and Dfraday. This seems like your trying to start the wheels of my lynch especially since the only argument used against me yesterday to justify my lynch was me advocating for us to share map information. If he wanted us to look more closely at certain players I'd think he'd have said it. He is going along with the general thoughts in the thread no map sharing, and Team Bat are good.
I'm also curious you seemed to have ignored zebra sharing information in an attempt to "trap" me?

Could wilgy's death have anything to do with him being on the right track about a player? He didn't have many posts, but I agree with MP he seemed like a random choice for the first NK, unless they thought he was the other mafia team and so far in my experience here on TS the mafia don't gun for each other this early. Thoughts?

Keep your shirt on Sig! I'm not trying to "trap" you at all. What I said was hat given the information in Gordon's message (and Epi's remark at the start of the game that has already been discussed previously on this topic) it appears to me sharing any information we individually receive is imprudent. Clearly (to me at least) we are better not sharing the information we find. Yes, I did say that I thought it worth looking again more critically at those who advocated sharing such information. I NEVER mentioned your name and yet, you've taken what I said as some kind of blatant accusation. Why so sensitive? If I didn't know better, I'd think you had something to hide...

Well I'm hiding my chest since you told me to keep my shirt on but besides that nothing else. I'm NOT arguing for info sharing today. You didn't need to mention me by name seeing how I was the main person arguing the pros of map sharing, not to mention two players voted for me based around me wanting to share our info. So you didn't say my name but it was directed at me to say otherwise would mean you aren't paying much attention to why I got two votes or that whole discussion as a whole. Why should we look critically at the three players who where pro info sharing? The fact that you are trying to redirect discussion onto the map argument again is just very pingy. Also you didn't answer me about Zebra please do.

Note I'm not saying you aren't paying attention, I'm saying your mafia/Inmate trying to set up my lynch.

linki: I wasn't the ringleader I just argued that it was more beneficial to the civs then the mafia. Saying ringleader makes me sound bad imo, which I dislike.

Sorsha wrote:Turnip Head- I've been trying to get a handle on why you've been suspicious of SVS. In AWR you and I had it worked out in BTSC how SVS was bad- lots of night action results plus her defense of some of her co-baddies, probably some other things I'm forgetting- yet you still didn't want to confront her in the thread in that game. So what's different this game? I don't think you'd be suspicious of her for no good reason if you were a civ and didn't really think she was bad, but day one just seems odd to me when there is so little to go on.

Scotty wrote:The thing that's been bugging me about Glorf is how, as I've been reading his posts, he is careful not to upset the masses. The only notable person I've seen him offer up on the table is sig, and his civ labeling is even longer. Everything about him seems like he is attempting to appear nice, and, to borrow SVS' term, appease everyone.

Anyone else notice that?

Turnip Head wrote:If you'd prefer I will use the term "main person" instead. I wasn't using it in a negative connotation.

Glorfindel wrote:

sig wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

sig wrote:Glorfindel I'm almost convinced your a baddie at this point. Gordon a player with no additional information said to not share evidence okay cool, NOT we should look at the players who where for it. Which was mainly me, Zebra, and Dfraday. This seems like your trying to start the wheels of my lynch especially since the only argument used against me yesterday to justify my lynch was me advocating for us to share map information. If he wanted us to look more closely at certain players I'd think he'd have said it. He is going along with the general thoughts in the thread no map sharing, and Team Bat are good.
I'm also curious you seemed to have ignored zebra sharing information in an attempt to "trap" me?

Could wilgy's death have anything to do with him being on the right track about a player? He didn't have many posts, but I agree with MP he seemed like a random choice for the first NK, unless they thought he was the other mafia team and so far in my experience here on TS the mafia don't gun for each other this early. Thoughts?

Keep your shirt on Sig! I'm not trying to "trap" you at all. What I said was hat given the information in Gordon's message (and Epi's remark at the start of the game that has already been discussed previously on this topic) it appears to me sharing any information we individually receive is imprudent. Clearly (to me at least) we are better not sharing the information we find. Yes, I did say that I thought it worth looking again more critically at those who advocated sharing such information. I NEVER mentioned your name and yet, you've taken what I said as some kind of blatant accusation. Why so sensitive? If I didn't know better, I'd think you had something to hide...

Well I'm hiding my chest since you told me to keep my shirt on but besides that nothing else. I'm NOT arguing for info sharing today. You didn't need to mention me by name seeing how I was the main person arguing the pros of map sharing, not to mention two players voted for me based around me wanting to share our info. So you didn't say my name but it was directed at me to say otherwise would mean you aren't paying much attention to why I got two votes or that whole discussion as a whole. Why should we look critically at the three players who where pro info sharing? The fact that you are trying to redirect discussion onto the map argument again is just very pingy. Also you didn't answer me about Zebra please do.

Note I'm not saying you aren't paying attention, I'm saying your mafia/Inmate trying to set up my lynch.

linki: I wasn't the ringleader I just argued that it was more beneficial to the civs then the mafia. Saying ringleader makes me sound bad imo, which I dislike.

Excuse me? I didn't mention your name but I'm accusing you because you were the 'main person' advocating talking openly about map sharing? These are YOUR words my friend not mine. I'd also like to point out that I never excluded looking at Zebra or anyone else for that matter who advocated sharing information. What I am saying is that it appears to me that there may be a good reason why we shouldn't share information (God forbid I have no clue what it is yet, but still...). I don't know precisely why, but I'm trying to reason that out. I'm NOT saying we should lynch everyone who advocated information sharing - just that we should look at that closely. You seem way too agitated over reading things into my post that simply weren't there and THAT is was is starting to make me suspicious of you...

Glorfindel wrote:

Scotty wrote:The thing that's been bugging me about Glorf is how, as I've been reading his posts, he is careful not to upset the masses. The only notable person I've seen him offer up on the table is sig, and his civ labeling is even longer. Everything about him seems like he is attempting to appear nice, and, to borrow SVS' term, appease everyone.

Anyone else notice that?

Don't know how to break this to you Scotty but I AM nice! Go take a look at my previous games here and especially Pikmin - I was Town there (quasi-power role) and my behaviour there wouldn't be any different to this game.

sig wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

Scotty wrote:The thing that's been bugging me about Glorf is how, as I've been reading his posts, he is careful not to upset the masses. The only notable person I've seen him offer up on the table is sig, and his civ labeling is even longer. Everything about him seems like he is attempting to appear nice, and, to borrow SVS' term, appease everyone.

Anyone else notice that?

Don't know how to break this to you Scotty but I AM nice! Go take a look at my previous games here and especially Pikmin - I was Town there (quasi-power role) and my behaviour there wouldn't be any different to this game.

You don't seem as genuine in your niceness this game. Also using your niceness meta as an excuse for being town is untrue. If they read over your baddie game here (star wars) they will see you where nice there to.

Turnip Head wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Turnip Head- I've been trying to get a handle on why you've been suspicious of SVS. In AWR you and I had it worked out in BTSC how SVS was bad- lots of night action results plus her defense of some of her co-baddies, probably some other things I'm forgetting- yet you still didn't want to confront her in the thread in that game. So what's different this game? I don't think you'd be suspicious of her for no good reason if you were a civ and didn't really think she was bad, but day one just seems odd to me when there is so little to go on.

Well, one difference is I'm not bad this game :P You and Golden had all the civ cred in AWR, it wouldn't have had the same impact if that case came from me.

I don't suspect her for no good reason. I think I've laid out my thoughts on SVS as clearly as I can.

sig wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:If you'd prefer I will use the term "main person" instead. I wasn't using it in a negative connotation.

Okay ringleader is fine then it sounds cooler.


@Floyd have a fun catch up when your done please tell me what you think of the three who voted for you, as well as the tied lynch, who you would have voted for, and any theories on Wilgy's death. Thanks in advance.

linki: @Scotty Yes as I said earlier Glorf is always nice and carefully words things etc. However, as mafia he tries to act the same way and usually his posts just come out as slightly off. He is unable to keep up the nice Glorfindel act without well sounding off. I've had gut pings of him all of day 1 and I'm convinced he isn't pro civ. I will say this I'm usually 100% right on Glorfindel if he is a civ you can tell, however I've got the same vibe as I did in Star Wars some of his posts seemed like his usually self others seemed like he was trying to be his regular self, I was right in Star Wars, but never pushed him to hard mainly since I was trying to turn to the Dark Side and thought he might be a future teammate. :P

If he is mafia then he is the second team, if not mafia then he is an inmate. Either way it would be in our best interest to vote for him imo. However, I'll wait and see what else comes up.


linki 2: They are my words yes, but it is mainly me you are addressing, at least that is how I see it. Seeing how I was the leading player defending map sharing. Okay why should we look closer at them? I also would like your opinion on Zebra info sharing which you have yet to give? I'm also not agitated at all, I'm just pumped and in the mood to catch some baddies.

You haven't really answered either of my two questions, you've kinda gone around them your also trying to make it seem like I'm mad or only going after you since you mentioned looking at map players which isn't true. You are whether if you admit it or not targeting me and painting me in an unfriendly light with your posts. Saying I'm aggressive, have something to hide, am loosing my cool, etc

Turnip Head wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

sig wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

sig wrote:Glorfindel I'm almost convinced your a baddie at this point. Gordon a player with no additional information said to not share evidence okay cool, NOT we should look at the players who where for it. Which was mainly me, Zebra, and Dfraday. This seems like your trying to start the wheels of my lynch especially since the only argument used against me yesterday to justify my lynch was me advocating for us to share map information. If he wanted us to look more closely at certain players I'd think he'd have said it. He is going along with the general thoughts in the thread no map sharing, and Team Bat are good.
I'm also curious you seemed to have ignored zebra sharing information in an attempt to "trap" me?

Could wilgy's death have anything to do with him being on the right track about a player? He didn't have many posts, but I agree with MP he seemed like a random choice for the first NK, unless they thought he was the other mafia team and so far in my experience here on TS the mafia don't gun for each other this early. Thoughts?

Keep your shirt on Sig! I'm not trying to "trap" you at all. What I said was hat given the information in Gordon's message (and Epi's remark at the start of the game that has already been discussed previously on this topic) it appears to me sharing any information we individually receive is imprudent. Clearly (to me at least) we are better not sharing the information we find. Yes, I did say that I thought it worth looking again more critically at those who advocated sharing such information. I NEVER mentioned your name and yet, you've taken what I said as some kind of blatant accusation. Why so sensitive? If I didn't know better, I'd think you had something to hide...

Well I'm hiding my chest since you told me to keep my shirt on but besides that nothing else. I'm NOT arguing for info sharing today. You didn't need to mention me by name seeing how I was the main person arguing the pros of map sharing, not to mention two players voted for me based around me wanting to share our info. So you didn't say my name but it was directed at me to say otherwise would mean you aren't paying much attention to why I got two votes or that whole discussion as a whole. Why should we look critically at the three players who where pro info sharing? The fact that you are trying to redirect discussion onto the map argument again is just very pingy. Also you didn't answer me about Zebra please do.

Note I'm not saying you aren't paying attention, I'm saying your mafia/Inmate trying to set up my lynch.

linki: I wasn't the ringleader I just argued that it was more beneficial to the civs then the mafia. Saying ringleader makes me sound bad imo, which I dislike.

Excuse me? I didn't mention your name but I'm accusing you because you were the 'main person' advocating talking openly about map sharing? These are YOUR words my friend not mine. I'd also like to point out that I never excluded looking at Zebra or anyone else for that matter who advocated sharing information. What I am saying is that it appears to me that there may be a good reason why we shouldn't share information (God forbid I have no clue what it is yet, but still...). I don't know precisely why, but I'm trying to reason that out. I'm NOT saying we should lynch everyone who advocated information sharing - just that we should look at that closely. You seem way too agitated over reading things into my post that simply weren't there and THAT is was is starting to make me suspicious of you...

Why are you being cagey about this? If you weren't talking about sig then who are you talking about?

Glorfindel wrote:Frankly if anyone thinks I'm the best choice for lynching, our team is in BIG trouble...

Turnip Head wrote:My beef with SVS isn't that she missed the vote or that she wanted to vote for her top suspect. It's that she was in "Anyone but me" mode at the early stages of EoD and that seemingly continued right up until the buzzer. She didn't give reads on Scotty or Wilgy and I recall her being suspicious of Zebra but didn't put a vote there. That gives me a distinctly indy vibe from her and I'd like her to prove that vibe wrong. I plan on giving her some breathing room to operate Day 2 because I know it's easy to lose sight of other things when you're fighting for your own life.

Wilgy and bea are my top suspects. I told Wilgy I'd present him with my history lesson so for anyone curious here's his ISO from Recruitment IV (unrecruited then civ) and Pikmin (where he was civ and, in this very thread, claims to have barely played). Let the record show that in Pikmin he had 22 posts in the first 48 hours of the game and attempted to engage multiple players in multiple discussions. In this game he had 8 posts in the first 72 hours, granted this game is of larger scale than Pikmin. In Star Wars he had 5 posts in the first 72 hours. Take from that what you will. But his rate of posting isn't the only reason he's suspicious to me. The only player I see him engaging in meaningful discussion here is Mac who he's agreeing with, I don't see him trying to engage in discussions with others who's opinions do not line up with his own, unless it's to defend himself or toss out a quick read. As I said before Wilgy could go a long way toward changing my mind by proving he's engaged with the game, and I didn't get him lynched Day 1 so he has that chance now.

For bea I feel she is trying to fly under the radar. I said before that her lack of catch up posts makes me think she's reading the thread and reacting to it at different times and that makes me feel like she's trying to be careful. She did say that she wasn't doing her catch-up posts because she gets flak for doing them but I hereby give her permission to do them again because those posts help me get the best feel for her as a player. In addition I've mentioned her a few times now but those mentions seem to have gone unnoticed and I don't know bea to be a player who doesn't respond to posts about her. When bea is civ I can usually feel it and I'm not feeling it this game. She too has a chance to prove her civvieness to me going forward. And you know I love ya bea.

Golden wrote:I could see bea and MP being a team.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, so regarding the d1 no lynch, I don't understand why so many people are upset. I know it sucks not to have a result, but chances are most likely that a civilian would have been lynched (mathematically). Furthermore, I don't understand why people are eliminating or leaning against Robin having stopped the d1 lynch. If I remember correctly, that's the only public reason the lynch would be stopped based on the role listing. Why wouldn't Robin stop it, especially if it gave him information on that insanely close vote tally?

Golden wrote:

juliets wrote:

Golden wrote:I could see bea and MP being a team.

Golden, what are you seeing in MP? I don't feel like I've seen enough behavior to draw conclusions but I'm obviously missing something because you're not the only one who's mentioned him.

linkis

Hey juliets. Sorry I don't have time to elaborate right now. If you want to do a quick iso on me I have explained it a couple of ti
mes, otherwise I'll try and link you to some things later when I have more time. Sorry.

I haven't really read bea as bad per se, but I have noticed some posts from her that would work as an MP teammate.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, so regarding the d1 no lynch, I don't understand why so many people are upset. I know it sucks not to have a result, but chances are most likely that a civilian would have been lynched (mathematically). Furthermore, I don't understand why people are eliminating or leaning against Robin having stopped the d1 lynch. If I remember correctly, that's the only public reason the lynch would be stopped based on the role listing. Why wouldn't Robin stop it, especially if it gave him information on that insanely close vote tally?

16 civilians
15 non-civilians.

You're walking a fine line mathematically, mate.

Turnip Head wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:Frankly if anyone thinks I'm the best choice for lynching, our team is in BIG trouble...

That's a strong statement. Do you think your civieness should be obvious to everyone?

sig wrote:What do you think of Zebra with her info sharing, then after getting heat claiming it was a trap?
Why should we look into the map people more?
Also I've never been proven wrong in this context since I've never lead a lynch successfully on a civ before, but there is a first time for everything. I'll ISO and do a quick read over of your past two games and see what I see, but I think I'm right and that you are anti town this game.

Turnip Head wrote:AWR was a different game Sorsha. I certainly went back and forth on her and considered all possibilities in light of the info we had.

As for your other question you'd have to ask SVS if she can read me well, but it's a weird thing to accuse me of. If I was bad and needed to get rid of SVS I could just kill her.

And if you read my posts I currently think SVS is indy.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, so regarding the d1 no lynch, I don't understand why so many people are upset. I know it sucks not to have a result, but chances are most likely that a civilian would have been lynched (mathematically). Furthermore, I don't understand why people are eliminating or leaning against Robin having stopped the d1 lynch. If I remember correctly, that's the only public reason the lynch would be stopped based on the role listing. Why wouldn't Robin stop it, especially if it gave him information on that insanely close vote tally?

Sorsha wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, so regarding the d1 no lynch, I don't understand why so many people are upset. I know it sucks not to have a result, but chances are most likely that a civilian would have been lynched (mathematically). Furthermore, I don't understand why people are eliminating or leaning against Robin having stopped the d1 lynch. If I remember correctly, that's the only public reason the lynch would be stopped based on the role listing. Why wouldn't Robin stop it, especially if it gave him information on that insanely close vote tally?

I agree with the highlighted sentence, wouldn't that also be a reason for the mafia to kill him if they thought he was Robin too? Either situation, if they thought he was bad and on the opposing mafia team or if they thought he was Robin I'd see him as someone they would choose.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, so regarding the d1 no lynch, I don't understand why so many people are upset. I know it sucks not to have a result, but chances are most likely that a civilian would have been lynched (mathematically). Furthermore, I don't understand why people are eliminating or leaning against Robin having stopped the d1 lynch. If I remember correctly, that's the only public reason the lynch would be stopped based on the role listing. Why wouldn't Robin stop it, especially if it gave him information on that insanely close vote tally?

I agree with the highlighted sentence, wouldn't that also be a reason for the mafia to kill him if they thought he was Robin too? Either situation, if they thought he was bad and on the opposing mafia team or if they thought he was Robin I'd see him as someone they would choose.

Light bulb:

Didn't Wilgy have Scotty as his top read? What if Wilgy was Robin? It would make tons of sense that the lynch was stopped too if that were the case, and this would explain why Wilgy was NKed, if the mafia team came to the same conclusion.

DrWilgy wrote:Based soley on result of yesterdays lynch, I wouldn't try to lynch Scotty again btw. (Still 900 posts behind. Still think TH is a badewd.)

I suppose a "thoughts at this point rainbow" may be needed before EoN. I may not be here.
Scotty
Zebra
Mac
Everyone else
Dom
Bea
TH

MacDougall wrote: Also it's possible... PROBABLE even, that the loser of the coin flip in this case happened to be Robin, who is able to prevent his own lynch. I'd guess Wilgy based on his annoyed sounding reaction.

MacDougall wrote:

Enrique wrote:We'll see. Whoever gets lynched tomorrow, it needs to be a clearer decision. Today's result was about the most disappointing thing that could happen in terms of telling us anything, but hopefully whatever power stopped it (Joker secret?) was a one-time use thing. I just know this made me a lot less comfortable with ties.

I would appreciate it if you actually read my posts. As I said a moment ago, it would appear most likely to be Robin's ability that was activated to prevent that lynch on account of Robin being the only role documented to have it.

I don't think a failed lynch on day 1 is all that bad in a game with a lot of powerful anti-mafia roles. We're always more likely to lynch wrong on day 1 anyway.

MacDougall wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, so regarding the d1 no lynch, I don't understand why so many people are upset. I know it sucks not to have a result, but chances are most likely that a civilian would have been lynched (mathematically). Furthermore, I don't understand why people are eliminating or leaning against Robin having stopped the d1 lynch. If I remember correctly, that's the only public reason the lynch would be stopped based on the role listing. Why wouldn't Robin stop it, especially if it gave him information on that insanely close vote tally?

I agree with the highlighted sentence, wouldn't that also be a reason for the mafia to kill him if they thought he was Robin too? Either situation, if they thought he was bad and on the opposing mafia team or if they thought he was Robin I'd see him as someone they would choose.

Light bulb:

Didn't Wilgy have Scotty as his top read? What if Wilgy was Robin? It would make tons of sense that the lynch was stopped too if that were the case, and this would explain why Wilgy was NKed, if the mafia team came to the same conclusion.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, I'm sorry I didn't give you credit for that, Mac, in my defense I've hardly read the thread, as you would know if you've been reading my posts.