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Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:30 am**

Oh, I get it. I thought Dom was suggesting that I was presenting my suspicion of inh as some kind of lose/lose trap, which I didn't understand.

I approve of participation win cons.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:56 am**

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:28 pm INH still hasn't talked in two straight day phases.

I am strongly reminded of GoC, in which Wilgy, Marmot, inh and LoRab were a scum team together and barely talked at all.

My gut feel is I'd prefer a marmot or inh lynch to any of the options with actual votes.

Ok, do these two games actually look similar to you?

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:02 am**

I'm way outta context here, but I browsed through the EoD, and have a suspicion of speedchuck from his comments on Courage being a sad puppy without trying to figure out why.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:03 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:56 am
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:28 pm INH still hasn't talked in two straight day phases.

I am strongly reminded of GoC, in which Wilgy, Marmot, inh and LoRab were a scum team together and barely talked at all.

My gut feel is I'd prefer a marmot or inh lynch to any of the options with actual votes.
Ok, do these two games actually look similar to you?

In terms of the way you and inh are behaving, yes.

You also remind be of Dune you and I’m sure there’s another I can’t place. I haven’t seen you like this as town though.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:06 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:02 am I'm way outta context here, but I browsed through the EoD, and have a suspicion of speedchuck from his comments on Courage being a sad puppy without trying to figure out why.

Do you mean not trying to figure it out, or not joining the dots for the town more strongly? Because I think he figured out why faster than anyone else did.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:04 am**

Reeeetuuuurn the slaaaaab.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:30 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:11 am no, he posted at night. if he doesn't put during this night he can't win. (golden check rule#9)

thx

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:56 am
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:28 pm INH still hasn't talked in two straight day phases.

I am strongly reminded of GoC, in which Wilgy, Marmot, inh and LoRab were a scum team together and barely talked at all.

My gut feel is I'd prefer a marmot or inh lynch to any of the options with actual votes.
Ok, do these two games actually look similar to you?

ok.
who cares?
who is bad? tell me why i should care.
generate some basic content.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:44 am**

Dom and Speedchuck are both bad

discuss

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:47 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:02 am I'm way outta context here, but I browsed through the EoD, and have a suspicion of speedchuck from his comments on Courage being a sad puppy without trying to figure out why.

I knew exactly why. I was trying to abide by the no role-claiming/outing rules. Didn't have time to check with Rico if it was okay to say "Hey, Scotty is pretty obviously Courage, could you guys please move."

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:48 am**

Oh, you said "way outta context."

Remove the

face from my previous post and carry on.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:13 am**

I want to lynch INH based on how that lynch went down. If he's bad, I want to look at Marmot, Fractal... Hm... Maybe some others. I'll tell you when I can see the poll, or when someone copies it again for me.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:20 am**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:47 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:02 am I'm way outta context here, but I browsed through the EoD, and have a suspicion of speedchuck from his comments on Courage being a sad puppy without trying to figure out why.

I knew exactly why. I was trying to abide by the no role-claiming/outing rules. Didn't have time to check with Rico if it was okay to say "Hey, Scotty is pretty obviously Courage, could you guys please move."

You only tagged two people to change their votes, and some light pleading to Fractal. Why didn’t you ask me or anybody else who was (even sort of) around?

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:21 am**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:13 am I want to lynch INH based on how that lynch went down. If he's bad, I want to look at Marmot, Fractal... Hm... Maybe some others. I'll tell you when I can see the poll, or when someone copies it again for me.

Lynch INH because you think people were protecting him?

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:24 am**

I'm intrigued by your theory [mention]speedchuck[/mention] huck. I'm interested in more specifics if you're going to go ahead and look into it

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:25 am**

Scotty wasn't a suspect of mine but I'm wondering who, specifically, would bitchslap him to save an inactive iNH.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:33 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:20 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:47 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:02 am I'm way outta context here, but I browsed through the EoD, and have a suspicion of speedchuck from his comments on Courage being a sad puppy without trying to figure out why.

I knew exactly why. I was trying to abide by the no role-claiming/outing rules. Didn't have time to check with Rico if it was okay to say "Hey, Scotty is pretty obviously Courage, could you guys please move."
You only tagged two people to change their votes, and some light pleading to Fractal. Why didn’t you ask me or anybody else who was (even sort of) around?

I shouldn't have to tag people if they are around.

Most of my posts about the dog were pleas to the whole thread. Did you see them before the lynch? If so, why was there no reaction?

When I was yelling after the lynch, I didn't tag Fractal. That was for you. And anyone else who was around.

I asked Fractal specifically because I saw he was here and because he seemed available to change/vote, and he agreed to it.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:34 am**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:25 am Scotty wasn't a suspect of mine but I'm wondering who, specifically, would bitchslap him to save an inactive iNH.

That's the only thing I have against lynching Fractal for his choice. Who would even do that?

Now, would certain members of the mafia lurk around without changing anything to buy an extra town lynch, and then turn suspicion on Speedchuck for not trying hard enough? Apparently.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:43 am**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:24 am I'm intrigued by your theory @speedchuck huck. I'm interested in more specifics if you're going to go ahead and look into it

INH looks suspicious on D1 and D2. INH is silent as heck. But everyone is just blasé about him. It took some serious effort to call for his lynch, and that still didn't work.

Example: I didn't remember Colin being present and super active at EOD. He says he was. This guy, Colin, understood what I meant when I said Kylemii is 90% town. But he didn't get that, when the main protagonist of the show was panicking over a lynch, MAYBE that means the lynch is bad and we should change?

I don't buy the ignorance of the entire thread. I don't think everyone here is that stupid/ignorant, especially when I'm all-but pointing it out. Two or three of the responses I've got in the thread are "Why didn't you tell us speedchuck, we didn't know, are you scum?" and I don't buy that at ALL. It's willful ignorance, a great way to excuse passive scumplay.

Sure, maybe scum wouldn't stick their necks out to save INH. But if INH is already being saved and they can counter it by doing nothing, get a Courage lynch out of it, and delay things to the next day, I fully believe they would do it.

All we have to do is lynch INH tomorrow and find out.
(I'm open to other suggestions, don't want to determine the lynch ahead of time, but there would have to be an amazing nightkill to make me come up with another lead.)

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:46 am**

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] Your POV on this matter seems highly illuminating to me. I do believe we can crack this case wide open

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:56 am**

I didn’t change my vote because I didn’t make the connection.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:57 am**

And I didn’t say I was super active at Eod, very clearly. Explicitly. Etc.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:59 am**

And I take issue with the idea that I should have assumed Scotty was Courage in the first place when he was far from the first train. I think you’re overreacting.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:02 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:56 am I didn’t change my vote because I didn’t make the connection.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:57 am And I didn’t say I was super active at Eod, very clearly. Explicitly. Etc.

Then maybe that's why I didn't tag you.

Don't blame and frame me for you not connecting the dots and then walk it back when I throw it in your face. I tried. If you want me to, I can quote all of those posts again.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:03 am**

For the record I totally endorse the idea of an INH lynch, I just think your efforts to get us to vote off of Scotty, in the moment, looked less knowing/serious than you’re portraying them. And that’s not blame/frame/suspicion, it’s a question. But I wasn’t paying super close attention anyway and don’t feel the need to argue this.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:05 am**

These two [mention]nijuukyugou[/mention] posts, in combination with [mention]speedchuck[/mention]'s findings and my own suspicions, make me want to lynch Colin ASAP.

I think it all paints a pretty picture of someone (m'boy Colin) cleverly sneaking through the thread like a hustler

[mention]nutella[/mention] (in case she doesn't see this, cuz I think she might be interested)

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:07 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:59 am And I take issue with the idea that I should have assumed Scotty was Courage in the first place when he was far from the first train. I think you’re overreacting.

I didn't assume Scotty was Courage. I assumed ONE of Scotty and Niju was courage, since he started freaking out when they were both tied
If I knew Scotty specifically was Courage, I could have saved him with a single vote on Niju. But I didn't know that, so I started a third train on someone.

"Overreacting?"

I've got people suspecting me for not trying hard enough. Not only did I get brotrayed by Fractal, and not only did everyone ignore my specific pleas to start a train (Yes, you can be involved on a train if I don't tag you), and not only did we lynch what is presumably one of the most important townies in the game...

Now I have people blaming ME. Some of which claim I'm bad because of it.

I'm pissed. (Not in a way that needs mod intervention, but like a loaded gun/motivation/lynchy pissed)

linki: Alright, I won't argue it

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:07 am**

Nothing Blooper said about me is an accurate portrayal of what happened, but sure, go ahead.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:11 am**

Admittedly, while I consider myself to have clearly pushed for INH for clear reasons, and while I still blame everyone because I'm an ass like that...

I didn't start panicking until after EOD. Mostly because I thought we had everything under control.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:14 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:07 am Nothing Blooper said about me is an accurate portrayal of what happened, but sure, go ahead.

Nah dude I've read everything and I see the light and I need my sunglasses cuz it's so fucking bright NAUGHTY

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:15 am**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:11 am Admittedly, while I consider myself to have clearly pushed for INH for clear reasons, and while I still blame everyone because I'm an ass like that...

I didn't start panicking until after EOD. Mostly because I thought we had everything under control.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:16 am**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:07 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:59 am And I take issue with the idea that I should have assumed Scotty was Courage in the first place when he was far from the first train. I think you’re overreacting.
I didn't assume Scotty was Courage. I assumed ONE of Scotty and Niju was courage, since he started freaking out when they were both tied
If I knew Scotty specifically was Courage, I could have saved him with a single vote on Niju. But I didn't know that, so I started a third train on someone.

"Overreacting?"

I've got people suspecting me for not trying hard enough. Not only did I get brotrayed by Fractal, and not only did everyone ignore my specific pleas to start a train (Yes, you can be involved on a train if I don't tag you), and not only did we lynch what is presumably one of the most important townies in the game...

Now I have people blaming ME. Some of which claim I'm bad because of it.

I'm pissed. (Not in a way that needs mod intervention, but like a loaded gun/motivation/lynchy pissed)

linki: Alright, I won't argue it

Relax brother.

I asked the initial question because I didn’t recall you making the effort you claimed to have made (or to have earned this sense of indignation, to put it another way). On further reflection of your posts I can see where you nudged us, but I think you could have gone a little further. Oh well. It happened.

I don’t see a movement for your head, I don’t see a serious accusation against you. If there is one, I missed it. And I don’t even see confirmation that Scotty is the real Courage considering the 2 parent roles. Could go either way.

I think we have a lot of material to work with. Fractal definitely looks worse in my book and the complaints TH has made against him I find agreeable. If Scotty is Courage we can make attempts at systematic role guesses for some other people. I’m not that concerned.

And I picked up on the Kyle thing the first time it happened, by the way, I just didn’t know exactly how to say it.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:16 am**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:07 amI'm pissed. (Not in a way that needs mod intervention, but like a loaded gun/motivation/lynchy pissed)

The hero we need, but not the one we deserve

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:18 am**

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:11 pm

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:20 am**

Marmot looks kinda bad too in these most recent posts. Mostly a gut thing

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:20 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:07 am Nothing Blooper said about me is an accurate portrayal of what happened, but sure, go ahead.

[mention]nijuukyugou[/mention] don't let this yahoo defame you

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:21 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:20 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:47 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:02 am I'm way outta context here, but I browsed through the EoD, and have a suspicion of speedchuck from his comments on Courage being a sad puppy without trying to figure out why.

I knew exactly why. I was trying to abide by the no role-claiming/outing rules. Didn't have time to check with Rico if it was okay to say "Hey, Scotty is pretty obviously Courage, could you guys please move."
You only tagged two people to change their votes, and some light pleading to Fractal. Why didn’t you ask me or anybody else who was (even sort of) around?

Dude he asked the thread in general. I changed my vote. Why didn't you? Don't try to shift the blame for this. Take responsibility.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:24 am**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:05 am These two @nijuukyugou posts, in combination with @speedchuck's findings and my own suspicions, make me want to lynch Colin ASAP.

I think it all paints a pretty picture of someone (m'boy Colin) cleverly sneaking through the thread like a hustler

@nutella (in case she doesn't see this, cuz I think she might be interested)

Yeah I'm into it. Wishing I'd gotten Colin lynched two days ago.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:27 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:20 am Marmot looks kinda bad too in these most recent posts. Mostly a gut thing

ok dude

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:29 am**

Ugh. I can't believe we specifically lynched not only the most important townie but that he even had a sock that he specifically used to deter us from lynching him. I cannot believe you guys let that happen.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:29 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:21 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:20 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:47 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:02 am I'm way outta context here, but I browsed through the EoD, and have a suspicion of speedchuck from his comments on Courage being a sad puppy without trying to figure out why.

I knew exactly why. I was trying to abide by the no role-claiming/outing rules. Didn't have time to check with Rico if it was okay to say "Hey, Scotty is pretty obviously Courage, could you guys please move."
You only tagged two people to change their votes, and some light pleading to Fractal. Why didn’t you ask me or anybody else who was (even sort of) around?
Dude he asked the thread in general. I changed my vote. Why didn't you? Don't try to shift the blame for this. Take responsibility.

I defended Scotty more than anybody in the thread. I categorically denied the possibility of him being scum. If anybody has a right to come in here and wave the banner of “told ya so,” it should be me.

But that would not be constructive and this is not a constructive dialogue. Scumhunting is constructive. Do that instead of trying to earn righteousness-points.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:31 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:29 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:21 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:20 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:47 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:02 am I'm way outta context here, but I browsed through the EoD, and have a suspicion of speedchuck from his comments on Courage being a sad puppy without trying to figure out why.

I knew exactly why. I was trying to abide by the no role-claiming/outing rules. Didn't have time to check with Rico if it was okay to say "Hey, Scotty is pretty obviously Courage, could you guys please move."
You only tagged two people to change their votes, and some light pleading to Fractal. Why didn’t you ask me or anybody else who was (even sort of) around?
Dude he asked the thread in general. I changed my vote. Why didn't you? Don't try to shift the blame for this. Take responsibility.
I defended Scotty more than anybody in the thread. I categorically denied the possibility of him being scum. If anybody has a right to come in here and wave the banner of “told ya so,” it should be me.

But that would not be constructive and this is not a constructive dialogue. Scumhunting is constructive. Do that instead of trying to earn righteousness-points.

So if you were around and could tell that the INH train was going to save Scotty and the Niju train wasn't, I ask again, why didn't you change your vote

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:43 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:31 amSo if you were around and could tell that the INH train was going to save Scotty and the Niju train wasn't, I ask again, why didn't you change your vote

holy shit I'm in a courtroom drama and it is magical

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:48 am**

Because I wasn’t really around. I was at the gym. I didn’t know Blooper’s train would have failed, or that INH’s was better. I didn’t even know for sure Scotty was town and I have healthy skepticism for those that claim to have been wiser.

These self-congratulations and invectives launched at all others who did not have the infinite wisdom you apparently possess are not helpful. They are masturbatory, alienating, condescending, betray a good sense of sportsmanship and I’m not convinced they aren’t an obvious avenue for posturing for scum*. In a word, they suck. We can talk about the Scotty lynch all that is necessary in the pursuit of the next Long Con teammate, but we can do without the annoying “Oh my god, you morons, why didn’t you see this obvious conclusion?” stuff. It contributes NOTHING. It’s a team game and the biggest team doesn’t know who its captains are. This happens. Quit acting like Rico came into the thread and said “Scotty is Courage, don’t lynch him!” and half the town did it anyway.

*nutella looks more guilty of this than speed, for the record. “I cannot believe you guys let that happen” — give me a break.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:51 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:48 am Because I wasn’t really around. I was at the gym. I didn’t know Blooper’s train would have failed, or that INH’s was better. I didn’t even know for sure Scotty was town and I have healthy skepticism for those that claim to have been wiser.

These self-congratulations and invectives launched at all others who did not have the infinite wisdom you apparently possess are not helpful. They are masturbatory, alienating, condescending, betray a good sense of sportsmanship and I’m not convinced they aren’t an obvious avenue for posturing for scum*. In a word, they suck. We can talk about the Scotty lynch all that is necessary in the pursuit of the next Long Con teammate, but we can do without the annoying “Oh my god, you morons, why didn’t you see this obvious conclusion?” stuff. It contributes NOTHING. It’s a team game and the biggest team doesn’t know who its captains are. This happens. Quit acting like Rico came into the thread and said “Scotty is Courage, don’t lynch him!” and half the town did it anyway.

*nutella looks more guilty of this than speed, for the record. “I cannot believe you guys let that happen” — give me a break.

idk what to make of this post. It feels more combative than it should.

As if you're harping on the wrong point or something, idk.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:53 am**

Like, a town-Colin wouldn't be so pissed for "missing" a detail in the thread and then being called out on it, right? He would take it in stride.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:53 am**

^ obviously drawing conclusions there about intent

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:55 am**

It’s probably more combative than it needs to be. Sorry. I just don’t appreciate the narrative forming around this lynch and I think others may feel the same. I am partially annoyed by it in the component of people suspecting me for some reason from all this, but such is Mafia.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:00 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:55 am It’s probably more combative than it needs to be. Sorry. I just don’t appreciate the narrative forming around this lynch and I think others may feel the same. I am partially annoyed by it in the component of people suspecting me for some reason from all this, but such is Mafia.

You say "for some reason", but to me the reasons don't seem all that vague. That phrasing seems reductive to me.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:01 pm**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:53 am Like, a town-Colin wouldn't be so pissed for "missing" a detail in the thread and then being called out on it, right? He would take it in stride.

What gives you the idea that town-Colin would do that?

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:02 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:55 am It’s probably more combative than it needs to be. Sorry. I just don’t appreciate the narrative forming around this lynch and I think others may feel the same. I am partially annoyed by it in the component of people suspecting me for some reason from all this, but such is Mafia.

You're like... 3rd on my list of people that might have been the reason this lynch went south. After Fractal and maybe some others if they were present.

You wouldn't be on the list at all if you hadn't told me I should have tagged you.

That struck me as odd.

If INH is town, I feel like this is all moot, so let's not get our trousers in a double-knot just yet.

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