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Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:39 am**

I can't find the post from falcon45ca that I wanted to reply to.

but.. @falcon45ca what about LongCon that bothers you? was it just him sheeping his vote?

I get looking at the seanzie wagon and trying to see if wolf voted there and if so then who it could be.

far as I know, no one did a vc analysis. idk how to do one. at the site where I learned/started out in TvMs (what we call mafia games. it means Town vs Mafia) we had 1 guy make one and gave a barebones explanation on how to do it. something to do with the lynch person's flip. you look at early votes, mud votes and end votes and then the hammer iirc. and typically (rule of thumb) mafia is in one of those places and like town. but who is supposedly supposed to be a which slot idk/i don't remember. oorc other wagons you can put vc analysis on too? or no?

I had a point. .. my point, so u scumbly me and LongCon and it was the voting thing, right? or no?

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:40 am**

p sure Bo crossed his own name out of Mac's list when he quoted it

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:42 am**

How dare people have me in their PoE.
Just let me watch scum visit my target tonight and I get the free jullZ

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:42 am**

I have a watcher shrine so killing me is reeee.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:43 am**

BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:12 pm [VOTE: marmot] aubergine

[VOTE: tsp] aubergine

[VOTE: gavial] aubergine

[VOTE: BoKnows] aubergine

[VOTE: made] aubergine
scum reads

@Syn

Looks like Mac crossed it out when he requoted.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:43 am**

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:42 am How dare people have me in their PoE.
Just let me watch scum visit my target tonight and I get the free jullZ

is there any reason you couldn't just be a mafia watcher, even if the role claim is true

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:43 am**

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:43 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:12 pm [VOTE: marmot] aubergine

[VOTE: tsp] aubergine

[VOTE: gavial] aubergine

[VOTE: BoKnows] aubergine

[VOTE: made] aubergine
scum reads
@Syn

Looks like Mac crossed it out when he requoted.

o

thanks granddad

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:44 am**

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:42 am I have a watcher shrine so killing me is reeee.

Aaaaaand, you didn't use this watcher shrine N1 because?

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:44 am**

Syn wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:39 amwhy is TSP cleared

I can't vote for him.

I guess it's possible maf get a have your name removed from the poll reward, but it seems more like a town reward no?

Admittedly, we play pretty vanilla games at home, and I'm not very good at balancing games when I host.. so. Like

Thats why I post my thoughts.
I'm all ears

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:48 am**

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:44 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:42 am I have a watcher shrine so killing me is reeee.
Aaaaaand, you didn't use this watcher shrine N1 because?

I mean I probably should have but I thought Nanook was a good track target and ugh, he visited no one and he died.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:48 am**

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:44 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:39 amwhy is TSP cleared
I can't vote for him.

I guess it's possible maf get a have your name removed from the poll reward, but it seems more like a town reward no?

Admittedly, we play pretty vanilla games at home, and I'm not very good at balancing games when I host.. so. Like

Thats why I post my thoughts.
I'm all ears

I think it's NAI. you wanna clear him or scum read him you r gonna have to have something more substantial.

sure, he could be town and we avoid a potential misyeet.

however, he could be mafia or 3rd party scum. and wolves got 1 of their own safe from the chopping block.

that's just my thoughts on it.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:48 am**

Kinda wish I used watcher on Nanook

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:48 am**

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:42 am I have a watcher shrine so killing me is reeee.

Have a watcher shrine.
Like you visited a shrine and left with it?

Sounds like theft.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:48 am**

But you know me,
I’d rather track em!

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:50 am**

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:48 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:42 am I have a watcher shrine so killing me is reeee.
Have a watcher shrine.
Like you visited a shrine and left with it?

Sounds like theft.

What the fuck are you talking about?
You wolf?

Watcher is the opposite of tracker. Instead of seeing who they visit you see who visits them.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:50 am**

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:44 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:39 amwhy is TSP cleared
I can't vote for him.

I guess it's possible maf get a have your name removed from the poll reward, but it seems more like a town reward no?

Admittedly, we play pretty vanilla games at home, and I'm not very good at balancing games when I host.. so. Like

Thats why I post my thoughts.
I'm all ears

That's a "clear" for today. Beyond today TSP is wolfy enough to kill whenever unless he proves otherwise.

Reading the opening posts I think we need to be very careful with "has a towny power" because it looks to me like powers come from shrines and the way you interact with shrines come from your 'character' and it CLEARLY says that character assignments are by a totally independent rand from the alignment rand. Like Nanook was randed as "the Argonian Mage" and that determined what shrines and powers and whatnot he had coming...then he also randed town.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:50 am**

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:50 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:48 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:42 am I have a watcher shrine so killing me is reeee.
Have a watcher shrine.
Like you visited a shrine and left with it?

Sounds like theft.
What the fuck are you talking about?
You wolf?
Watcher is the opposite of tracker. Instead of seeing who they visit you see who visits them.

oh my god

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:51 am**

Also Nanook called me Town and died.
Since I am clearly the designated ML today I wouldn’t be surprised if one of Made/Mac is scum.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:51 am**

tbh I think we're just going to end up talking in circles soon since half of the player list has yet to show up today

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:51 am**

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:51 am Also Nanook called me Town and died.
Since I am clearly the designated ML today I wouldn’t be surprised if one of Made/Mac is scum.

how does one observation connect to the other

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:52 am**

We caught him boys!
He claims mafia has mafia like abilities!
Vote Flanders!

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:52 am**

Like honestly where TF did Thief come from? lol.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:52 am**

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:48 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:44 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:39 amwhy is TSP cleared
I can't vote for him.

I guess it's possible maf get a have your name removed from the poll reward, but it seems more like a town reward no?

Admittedly, we play pretty vanilla games at home, and I'm not very good at balancing games when I host.. so. Like

Thats why I post my thoughts.
I'm all ears
I think it's NAI. you wanna clear him or scum read him you r gonna have to have something more substantial.

sure, he could be town and we avoid a potential misyeet.

however, he could be mafia or 3rd party scum. and wolves got 1 of their own safe from the chopping block.

that's just my thoughts on it.

Thanks for weighing in.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:53 am**

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:52 am We caught him boys!
He claims mafia has mafia like abilities!
Vote Flanders!

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:52 am Like honestly where TF did Thief come from? lol.

oh my GOD

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:54 am**

I’m calling Daisy/Flanders possible W/W theatre.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:54 am**

Syn wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:53 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:52 am We caught him boys!
He claims mafia has mafia like abilities!
Vote Flanders!

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:52 am Like honestly where TF did Thief come from? lol.
oh my GOD

Your welcome!

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:56 am**

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 1:59 am**

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:50 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:48 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:42 am I have a watcher shrine so killing me is reeee.
Have a watcher shrine.
Like you visited a shrine and left with it?

Sounds like theft.
What the fuck are you talking about?
You wolf?
Watcher is the opposite of tracker. Instead of seeing who they visit you see who visits them.

You claim to be in possession of a shrine that makes you "watcher"
Your words.

I didn't know you could posses a shrine.

Nobody but you said tracker.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:00 am**

@Stupid Sexy Flanders
Since your online, you wanna tell me how much of confidence you have in that Daisy vote of yours?

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:01 am**

The watcher one is called “Nocturnal”.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:01 am**

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:00 am @Stupid Sexy Flanders
Since your online, you wanna tell me how much of confidence you have in that Daisy vote of yours?

Oh very little.
I'm just letting it sit there. Just like D1, my vote will rest on you at EOD.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:02 am**

Syn wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:51 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:51 am Also Nanook called me Town and died.
Since I am clearly the designated ML today I wouldn’t be surprised if one of Made/Mac is scum.
how does one observation connect to the other

@Gavial instead of taking Flanders's jokes completely seriously, can you respond to this

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:02 am**

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:01 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:00 am @Stupid Sexy Flanders
Since your online, you wanna tell me how much of confidence you have in that Daisy vote of yours?
Oh very little.
I'm just letting it sit there. Just like D1, my vote will rest on you at EOD.

Oh is that so?
That isn’t a very good distancing strat.
Pretty simple for you to be scum with Daisy.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:03 am**

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:48 am But you know me,
I’d rather track em!

No, I really don't know you. I have played with you a time or two, but have no experience of you making a choice between watcher and tracker. I know that watcher is regularly considered game breakingly overpowered, so if you really chose tracker over it that was "by the book" a bad choice. I also know that chances of tracking a wolf to the N1K are slim even if you do get it right and read a wolf because you have to not only track a wolf you have to track the right wolf. By comparison, anyone who watched EoD and couldn't figure Alison as a very likely NK target, thus a great candidate for a watcher...well...

Meanwhile, I have now seen four role cards, including my own. Tracker, which is less powerful than watcher, is stronger than ANYTHING ELSE that I see available to any of those four. And watcher is more powerful still. Your role is waaaaaay more powerful than the rest. I am having a REALLY hard time buying your claim here.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:05 am**

Nocturnal is Watcher ability and I have if

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:05 am**

It*

How’s that hard to buy? Lol. It’s true.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:06 am**

I mean you could argue I’m a scum with it but what’s that really gonna do for me? Nothing really.

I’m just hoping I can use my watcher ability, out a scum and get cleared.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:06 am**

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:03 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:48 am But you know me,
I’d rather track em!
No, I really don't know you. I have played with you a time or two, but have no experience of you making a choice between watcher and tracker. I know that watcher is regularly considered game breakingly overpowered, so if you really chose tracker over it that was "by the book" a bad choice. I also know that chances of tracking a wolf to the N1K are slim even if you do get it right and read a wolf because you have to not only track a wolf you have to track the right wolf. By comparison, anyone who watched EoD and couldn't figure Alison as a very likely NK target, thus a great candidate for a watcher...well...

Meanwhile, I have now seen four role cards, including my own. Tracker, which is less powerful than watcher, is stronger than ANYTHING ELSE that I see available to any of those four. And watcher is more powerful still. Your role is waaaaaay more powerful than the rest. I am having a REALLY hard time buying your claim here.

first paragraph informs the second tbh

not that powerful when dealing with sheer numbers and chances

I don't care overly much about the claim, though I don't think it's town indicative at all

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:09 am**

You don’t think what is town indicate?
The shrine or my claim?

I mean the shrine itself isn’t, but ima try and use it tonight to get myself out of the chopping block and confirmed.

As far as I can tell not much people have the Nocturnal Shrine so getting rid of me without me at least using it is bad play.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:09 am**

Syn wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:06 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:03 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:48 am But you know me,
I’d rather track em!
No, I really don't know you. I have played with you a time or two, but have no experience of you making a choice between watcher and tracker. I know that watcher is regularly considered game breakingly overpowered, so if you really chose tracker over it that was "by the book" a bad choice. I also know that chances of tracking a wolf to the N1K are slim even if you do get it right and read a wolf because you have to not only track a wolf you have to track the right wolf. By comparison, anyone who watched EoD and couldn't figure Alison as a very likely NK target, thus a great candidate for a watcher...well...

Meanwhile, I have now seen four role cards, including my own. Tracker, which is less powerful than watcher, is stronger than ANYTHING ELSE that I see available to any of those four. And watcher is more powerful still. Your role is waaaaaay more powerful than the rest. I am having a REALLY hard time buying your claim here.
first paragraph informs the second tbh

not that powerful when dealing with sheer numbers and chances

I don't care overly much about the claim, though I don't think it's town indicative at all

where you CAN make an argument of doubt is that the OP says many of the roles are JOATs and that means Gavial decided to burn one of his best abilities N1 and is hoping to burn another tonight, leaving presumably something much weaker for N3 and maybe even N4 when their utility would be MUCH higher

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:10 am**

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:09 am You don’t think what is town indicate?
The shrine or my claim?

I mean the shrine itself isn’t, but ima try and use it tonight to get myself out of the chopping block and confirmed.

As far as I can tell not much people have the Nocturnal Shrine so getting rid of me without me at least using it is bad play.

"as far as you can tell"?

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:10 am**

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:10 am**

Syn wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:10 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:09 am You don’t think what is town indicate?
The shrine or my claim?

I mean the shrine itself isn’t, but ima try and use it tonight to get myself out of the chopping block and confirmed.

As far as I can tell not much people have the Nocturnal Shrine so getting rid of me without me at least using it is bad play.
"as far as you can tell"?

Read what Tim said.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:11 am**

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:46 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:29 pm
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:00 pm did seanixie claim? I thought he claimed but he didn't?

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:00 pm that is why I took my vote off.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:01 pm I'm not caught up in game.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:01 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:01 pm
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:00 pm did seanixie claim? I thought he claimed but he didn't?
vague claims at the seven minute mark don't cut it
from my skim trying to catch up it looked like he didn't
Nowhere does she say she put her vote back.
I put my vote back on seanzie

KZA wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:25 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:24 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:22 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:21 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:20 pm Falcon outing himself as Mafia for us, very kind
You're welcome
You know Daisy's vote ended on Seanzie still, right? How is that distancing?
No, I did not know that. Is there egg on my face?

What's her rationale behind her EOD posts then?
I'm gonna guess she thought Seanzie claimed but then saw he didn't and put her vote back

you know like, exactly what she said?

I didn't explicitly say i am putting my vote back on Seanzie but after my last post before eod, that is what I did. I should have kept my vote off. if you look at the first page of the game you see sloop posted a ss of vote poll for day 1.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:11 am**

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:10 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:10 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:09 am You don’t think what is town indicate?
The shrine or my claim?

I mean the shrine itself isn’t, but ima try and use it tonight to get myself out of the chopping block and confirmed.

As far as I can tell not much people have the Nocturnal Shrine so getting rid of me without me at least using it is bad play.
"as far as you can tell"?
Read what Tim said.

quote the relevant passage from Tim please that makes what you said make sense

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:12 am**

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:11 am
I didn't explicitly say i am putting my vote back on Seanzie but after my last post before eod, that is what I did. I should have kept my vote off. if you look at the first page of the game you see sloop posted a ss of vote poll for day 1.

lol sloop

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:13 am**

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:03 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:48 am But you know me,
I’d rather track em!
No, I really don't know you. I have played with you a time or two, but have no experience of you making a choice between watcher and tracker. I know that watcher is regularly considered game breakingly overpowered, so if you really chose tracker over it that was "by the book" a bad choice. I also know that chances of tracking a wolf to the N1K are slim even if you do get it right and read a wolf because you have to not only track a wolf you have to track the right wolf. By comparison, anyone who watched EoD and couldn't figure Alison as a very likely NK target, thus a great candidate for a watcher...well...

Meanwhile, I have now seen four role cards, including my own. Tracker, which is less powerful than watcher, is stronger than ANYTHING ELSE that I see available to any of those four. And watcher is more powerful still. Your role is waaaaaay more powerful than the rest. I am having a REALLY hard time buying your claim here.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:15 am**

3 out of 24 players flipped, one could go to Nocturnal

is that really indicative of "not many can go there" and also a reason why your life should be preserved so you specifically can go there?

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:15 am**

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:59 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:50 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:48 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:42 am I have a watcher shrine so killing me is reeee.
Have a watcher shrine.
Like you visited a shrine and left with it?

Sounds like theft.
What the fuck are you talking about?
You wolf?
Watcher is the opposite of tracker. Instead of seeing who they visit you see who visits them.
You claim to be in possession of a shrine that makes you "watcher"
Your words.

I didn't know you could posses a shrine.

Nobody but you said tracker.

Yep my words “Watcher”.
“Thief” YOUR words.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:15 am**

Syn wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:09 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:06 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:03 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:48 am But you know me,
I’d rather track em!
No, I really don't know you. I have played with you a time or two, but have no experience of you making a choice between watcher and tracker. I know that watcher is regularly considered game breakingly overpowered, so if you really chose tracker over it that was "by the book" a bad choice. I also know that chances of tracking a wolf to the N1K are slim even if you do get it right and read a wolf because you have to not only track a wolf you have to track the right wolf. By comparison, anyone who watched EoD and couldn't figure Alison as a very likely NK target, thus a great candidate for a watcher...well...

Meanwhile, I have now seen four role cards, including my own. Tracker, which is less powerful than watcher, is stronger than ANYTHING ELSE that I see available to any of those four. And watcher is more powerful still. Your role is waaaaaay more powerful than the rest. I am having a REALLY hard time buying your claim here.
first paragraph informs the second tbh

not that powerful when dealing with sheer numbers and chances

I don't care overly much about the claim, though I don't think it's town indicative at all
where you CAN make an argument of doubt is that the OP says many of the roles are JOATs and that means Gavial decided to burn one of his best abilities N1 and is hoping to burn another tonight, leaving presumably something much weaker for N3 and maybe even N4 when their utility would be MUCH higher

also ^^^^^^^^^^

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