The Syndicate

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:00 am Hello I tripped and fell into nettles what did I miss?

your footing i guess

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:00 am Hello I tripped and fell into nettles what did I miss?

your footing i guess

lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:37 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:36 pm LoMo not voting me when he's got me as lock scum is a horrible look, how is that towny? He's waiting to see what wagon to join

Bro me voting. not voting is nai to know my alignment, i have had a scum and town game here. I accused nutella of being scum in the crossover game and i was the first to do it and i was not the first to vote her though. I didnt vote owner even though she was scum, like unless i deem i need to, i wont.

This checks out. In Elder Scrolls as scum, LoMo didn't vote Days 1, 2, and I think 4. As town in the crossover game, LoMo didn't vote Days 2, 3, and 6.

Why do you not vote every day?

After some time to review, I'm still leaning towards Wurzel being town (especially given his meta of often making really bad posts as town - sorry Wurzel!).

Yeah his D2 has been awful (although I can excuse some of his clear lack of effort / WIM given D1 events and the general tone of the thread, I think his has been a particularly sharp decline) but I think there are a few posts he made D1 that I don't think he would be able to replicate as a wolf (most importantly his case on Ender - he's not the type of player who I would expect that from if he had TMI that Ender was town). I think his tone is also on point (which is important because the times he wolfed in the past, he was completely off tonally and that isn't the case here).

I'm not quite as confident as I was at SoD but I think the narrative of Wurzel being town and just being lazy / disinterested after D1's events also fits better in this case.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:01 am I'm pretty sure a Herm wagon is getting no steam today so I'm fine to solve around that somewhat.

I think his reactions to my questions yesterday (particularly when he said he forgot his read changed on the reads list he made) was awful though and shows that he wasn't putting any real concentration into them.

[VOTE: HERM] aubergine I'm with ya

hermmmmmm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:35 pm Hey, we lost 2 birds. Why?

We only had one stone.

Duskfall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:06 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:00 pm I haven't been impressed with KZA's posting. orangecrush completely dipped from the game thread.

My POE is something like: Herm, LoMo, KZA, orangecrush

Which is 3 slankers but I'm not getting bad vibes from the active posters so I think that's okay

Still skeeved out by a couple of nook's posts but his later days will be more telling probably. Wurzel shielded by Wiml and Creature shielded by nook for now so I'm excluding them for the moment, will circle back around to them later.

wanna sheep someone on this i think

probably herm or orange but thats not actively based on my reads i will admit

If you are gonna sheep Alison then we should kill Wurzel. She let Wiml shield her off day one, but I am 90% sure that's where she would be today, and I think the wolves knew that.

Herm wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:51 pm Long Con, blow me away with some towny stuff!

Has Long Con done this yet, or is it up to me?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:47 am

Duskfall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:06 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:00 pm I haven't been impressed with KZA's posting. orangecrush completely dipped from the game thread.

My POE is something like: Herm, LoMo, KZA, orangecrush

Which is 3 slankers but I'm not getting bad vibes from the active posters so I think that's okay

Still skeeved out by a couple of nook's posts but his later days will be more telling probably. Wurzel shielded by Wiml and Creature shielded by nook for now so I'm excluding them for the moment, will circle back around to them later.

wanna sheep someone on this i think

probably herm or orange but thats not actively based on my reads i will admit

If you are gonna sheep Alison then we should kill Wurzel. She let Wiml shield her off day one, but I am 90% sure that's where she would be today, and I think the wolves knew that.

The funny thing was that I don't think I strongly town read Wurzel until after she made that reads list.

HELLO!

Busy life

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:51 amHELLO!

I'm envious of your pfp tbh.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:48 am

Herm wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:51 pm Long Con, blow me away with some towny stuff!

Has Long Con done this yet, or is it up to me?

Might as well go ahead.

But to respond to that post, I don't think the alison kill spews Wurzel a wolf at all tbh.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:52 am

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:51 amHELLO!

I'm envious of your pfp tbh.

Thanks!

Pfp means avatar?

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:53 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:52 am

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:51 amHELLO!

I'm envious of your pfp tbh.

Thanks!

Pfp means avatar?

Yup! ProFile Picture

Jokes seeeem to be falling flat this game. Sounds right for a Syn-hosted game.

Herm wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:12 pm Seems like Alison pinged Don Wurzel.

I'm placing Alison in my very tiny townpool for now. Looking forward to interact with the Wurzel.

Herm, what does this read mean? I don't know Wurzel at all, is this a meme?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:54 am

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:53 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:52 am

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:51 amHELLO!

I'm envious of your pfp tbh.

Thanks!

Pfp means avatar?

Yup! ProFile Picture

Jokes seeeem to be falling flat this game. Sounds right for a Syn-hosted game.

Nah I got it, I am not a regular here and don't know all the language stuff etc.

Envy MVP

Does anyone have a POE handy?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:56 am

Herm wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:12 pm Seems like Alison pinged Don Wurzel.

I'm placing Alison in my very tiny townpool for now. Looking forward to interact with the Wurzel.

Herm, what does this read mean? I don't know Wurzel at all, is this a meme?

I found Alison hard to read, but other players townread her. I thought she felt town initially coming out strong though.

I don't know Wurzel either, but I think he's new to Mafia here. I mostly suspect him bc of the catching up to post posts from D1.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:52 am But to respond to that post, I don't think the alison kill spews Wurzel a wolf at all tbh.

The only reason Alison backed off Wurzel was your shielding and HK being the obvious chop anyway. Your shield was a one day, and HK is gone. Wurzel was her death tunnel du jour, based on her ISO. If Wurzel isn't a wolf the wolves let her live to kill him.

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:59 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:56 am

Herm wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:12 pm Seems like Alison pinged Don Wurzel.

I'm placing Alison in my very tiny townpool for now. Looking forward to interact with the Wurzel.

Herm, what does this read mean? I don't know Wurzel at all, is this a meme?

I found Alison hard to read, but other players townread her. I thought she felt town initially coming out strong though.

I don't know Wurzel either, but I think he's new to Mafia here. I mostly suspect him bc of the catching up to post posts from D1.

Never read Allison until she is dead is a good rule of thumb, but when she is town you can get a lot of information from when and how she dies.

Time to get serious.

[VOTE: Wurzel] aubergine

wurzel is probably ok vote but is gonna be easier to read late game than the like of orange imo who is afk, so orange kill makes the game easier for late game town as a slot that probably has to die this game regardless based on how they are playing, its like but possible scum and a policy kill for me?

Don Wurzeloni wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:08 am

Herm wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:58 pm [VOTE: Don Wurzeloni] aubergine

You never answered my question yesterday about why you are scum reading me. It sounded like your case was that I made some reads when I said I would, which makes no sense.

It was mostly the way you caught up.

You gave reasons for not being around, said you were gonna catch up, and did so. Then you gave your reads.

It doesn't have to mean you're scum, I'm just looking at behavior I find suspucious.

Town would not have to say why they have been absent and have to catch up. It just gives me vibes lol.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:00 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:52 am But to respond to that post, I don't think the alison kill spews Wurzel a wolf at all tbh.

The only reason Alison backed off Wurzel was your shielding and HK being the obvious chop anyway. Your shield was a one day, and HK is gone. Wurzel was her death tunnel du jour, based on her ISO. If Wurzel isn't a wolf the wolves let her live to kill him.

Like sure, that's possible, but I don't think it's any more likely than any other wolf alison scumread killing her.

Also, Wurzel is LHF, I don't think the wolves need alison's help to miselim that slot honestly.

You're confusing "possible" with "this is the case" and it's definitely not.

Tim any wolf team with Wurzel on should have killed you anyway given how you manage to scumread him every game without fail.

Need some reads from KZA.

Votes being spread this far is usually a bad sign.

@falcon45ca, @Wiml, why am I a scumread?

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:14 am Need some reads from KZA.

Votes being spread this far is usually a bad sign.

@falcon45ca, @Wiml, why am I a scumread?

KZA is dead my dude.

Oh never mind.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:04 am Time to get serious.

[VOTE: Wurzel] aubergine

Can you promise me that we're actually the same alignment this game?

If so, I'll follow you.

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:14 am Need some reads from KZA.

Votes being spread this far is usually a bad sign.

@falcon45ca, @Wiml, why am I a scumread?

Derp clear denied

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:16 am

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:14 am Need some reads from KZA.

Votes being spread this far is usually a bad sign.

@falcon45ca, @Wiml, why am I a scumread?

KZA is dead my dude.

Oh. RIP

I'll do a quick backscrub in a minute.

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:14 am Need some reads from KZA.

Votes being spread this far is usually a bad sign.

@falcon45ca, @Wiml, why am I a scumread?

Your early-mid D1 was wolfy for reasons I already explained and when I was questioning you your answers were awful.

I can explain in more detail but I'll do so later.

Half tempted to vote Wurzel so Tim actually plays the game tomorrow.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:17 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:04 am Time to get serious.

[VOTE: Wurzel] aubergine

Can you promise me that we're actually the same alignment this game?

If so, I'll follow you.

No, because I have no idea regarding your alignment.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:12 am Tim any wolf team with Wurzel on should have killed you anyway given how you manage to scumread him every game without fail.

I didn't actually scumread him. I just read Alison's ISO. I played day one (at least the amount of day one that I was in) very close to the vest. The wolves had no reason to kill me because the only thing they had on my intentions was a vague late vote on Alison.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:25 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:12 am Tim any wolf team with Wurzel on should have killed you anyway given how you manage to scumread him every game without fail.

I didn't actually scumread him. I just read Alison's ISO. I played day one (at least the amount of day one that I was in) very close to the vest. The wolves had no reason to kill me because the only thing they had on my intentions was a vague late vote on Alison.

It was obvious what your reads were going to be tbh.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:19 am

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:14 am Need some reads from KZA.

Votes being spread this far is usually a bad sign.

@falcon45ca, @Wiml, why am I a scumread?

Your early-mid D1 was wolfy for reasons I already explained and when I was questioning you your answers were awful.

I can explain in more detail but I'll do so later.

My answers were awful lol, but I'm still town. They were bad because I'm not always consistent with my thoughts lol.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:28 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:25 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:12 am Tim any wolf team with Wurzel on should have killed you anyway given how you manage to scumread him every game without fail.

I didn't actually scumread him. I just read Alison's ISO. I played day one (at least the amount of day one that I was in) very close to the vest. The wolves had no reason to kill me because the only thing they had on my intentions was a vague late vote on Alison.

It was obvious what your reads were going to be tbh.

Really?

What's my read on Falcon?

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:28 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:19 am

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:14 am Need some reads from KZA.

Votes being spread this far is usually a bad sign.

@falcon45ca, @Wiml, why am I a scumread?

Your early-mid D1 was wolfy for reasons I already explained and when I was questioning you your answers were awful.

I can explain in more detail but I'll do so later.

My answers were awful lol, but I'm still town. They were bad because I'm not always consistent with my thoughts lol.

Yeah that's what I meant!

Do you have any town games you can link here please?

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:31 am

Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:18 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:49 am The thread being much less active worries me that the wolf team is not feeling under much pressure right now. I'd like to hear a lot more from half of the game still.

we arent into america time yet

Fair but activity has completely died down still. I know I had to do a lot of backreading after I went to bed during D1 (although admittedly the highest posters dying might have something to do with that... the second highest poster alive is Herm I think lol).

Damn.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:29 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:28 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:25 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:12 am Tim any wolf team with Wurzel on should have killed you anyway given how you manage to scumread him every game without fail.

I didn't actually scumread him. I just read Alison's ISO. I played day one (at least the amount of day one that I was in) very close to the vest. The wolves had no reason to kill me because the only thing they had on my intentions was a vague late vote on Alison.

It was obvious what your reads were going to be tbh.

Really?

What's my read on Falcon?

That was a polite way of insulting your reads lol.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:30 am

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:28 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:19 am

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:14 am Need some reads from KZA.

Votes being spread this far is usually a bad sign.

@falcon45ca, @Wiml, why am I a scumread?

Your early-mid D1 was wolfy for reasons I already explained and when I was questioning you your answers were awful.

I can explain in more detail but I'll do so later.

My answers were awful lol, but I'm still town. They were bad because I'm not always consistent with my thoughts lol.

Yeah that's what I meant!

Do you have any town games you can link here please?

YES

Give me a sec

I have played a game here a while ago when I was town:

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... =radiohead

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:37 am I have played a game here a while ago when I was town:

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... =radiohead

Thanks! Would you mind linking me a wolf game so I can compare?

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:34 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:29 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:28 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:25 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:12 am Tim any wolf team with Wurzel on should have killed you anyway given how you manage to scumread him every game without fail.

I didn't actually scumread him. I just read Alison's ISO. I played day one (at least the amount of day one that I was in) very close to the vest. The wolves had no reason to kill me because the only thing they had on my intentions was a vague late vote on Alison.

It was obvious what your reads were going to be tbh.

Really?

What's my read on Falcon?

That was a polite way of insulting your reads lol.

And my response was a polite way of saying "you can't even FIND my reads."

So, back to Alison's ISO. The only fire she had was Wurzel. Even chopping HK she was just perfunctory about because it obviously had to be done. I don't see any way the wolf team could read her and think she was going for anyone but Wurzel, so if he is not a wolf why kill her? Closed setup there could easily be a doc to be dodged, and Alison is an obvious protect. They only N1K there if they really have to, IMO.