Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:04 pm
I have never been great at reading Michelle because she always stiff and weird to me
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I have never been great at reading Michelle because she always stiff and weird to me
Scotty prob town based on initial Nutella OMGUS, I think Cape is town, I want you to be townLe petit poussin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:56 pmsure bronana. He even told you I towntold already. But what are your reads?
brb
I'm confused are you saying that explaining your thought process would make him more lost?
this i p much do agree with actually, i think hk is >rand a hitInawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:04 pm I think HK is unironically scummy because he’s ignoring me, I think Guillo’s reasons for thunderdoming HK are bad and -EV to hang up all his focus into it (though I understand the underlying meta reasoning) but I think Guillo is more likely at this stage to just be tunneled townie rather than scummy for the push
Sig because he had a weird fake derp about me being sabie. Anyone can genuinely tell we are two different people which proves he hasn't actually thought about the game hence wolf.Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:54 pm I should do some work
bbl
Sabi if you get a chance could you please take respond to my read questions on Creature and sig? Or point me to your explanations if I missed them. I'm a little concerned about you atm, but I also want to give you space to solve and hope I can find you if you're town.
It 100% is, but I was incredibly solvey there in a way that specifically designed in part to pocket you, so I get it, no worriesnutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:00 pmI had a somewhat joke bad vibe read on him from the first page and his vibe has not improved, he's awkwardly defensive and doesn't come across as particularly solvey as he does when town, but tbf i have had trouble reading him before. My last experience with him he won as wolf in the music anni game 2 so that may be coloring it
it's only a fake derp if you're both mafia LOLSabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:12 pmThis feels like a fake derp because a) it was announced sabie is a mod in the game and b) you didn't have this issue in cartomacysig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:10 pmSabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:05 pmI'm sabi not sabiesig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:02 pm Damn I got distracted with work (how dare I’m forced to work on a work day) and I lost my post.
I’ve got pretty solid civ reads on: Golden, Allison, Nutella & Lucy. But I do think SVS point on Golden/Kate could have some merit.
/slight civ reads on:
Rondo
Gullio
Michelle
Neon
Urist
I’d not want to vote off this phase
Marmot
Scotty
Sloonie
Wilgy
Mac
Cap
Le petit (even though they voted for me)
TSP
Svs
Anyone that hasn’t posted
Prime eyeballing in order of most scumish
Dennis
Creature
Kate
TSP
Wilgy
I know the last two are on my not voting off list, so while I’m. Leery of them I’d not vote for them today.
Also honorary mention is Sabie. They’re here and very active, but not really contributing that much yet. They’re also not showcasing that normal townie indecisiveness I’d expect.
You only played one game with me
Well shit, no wonder I was so confused that game.
I’m striking my Sabi read until further notice and dying from embarrassment instead
Sooooo hmmmm
me not explaining my thoughts to him would make him more lost
I'll iso him after lunchnutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:00 pmI had a somewhat joke bad vibe read on him from the first page and his vibe has not improved, he's awkwardly defensive and doesn't come across as particularly solvey as he does when town, but tbf i have had trouble reading him before. My last experience with him he won as wolf in the music anni game 2 so that may be coloring it
I only have a scale of 0 and 1 and it’s always a 1 unless someone tells me it’s a 0.Neon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:20 amI bothered to read my iso...Neon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:02 amOn a scale of 1 to 10 how serious do you think each of these reads were?Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:26 amNeon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:25 pmI'm like 87% sure someone did thatRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:11 pm I cant believe no one has done this yet @Porscha 69
Lock wolfThese were the ones at the time of my read neon. Although I've come around a little on Dennis since then.
@Golden
If you answered this I didn't see it
Pls do.
Oh yeah I was thinking something like we talked to each other.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:26 amthis post. @Dennis it just felt out of place, like you needed to interect with me so you had it in your ISO not that you actually wanted to interact with me. Add the fact that you never followed up when I didnt reply to your question without a question mark.Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:40 pmYou scare meRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:38 pm @112 @Alison @Creature @DrWilgy @Golden @ilario @Le petit poussin @MacDougall @Master Radishes @Michelle
Three of you are wolves, which three?
Two of you are 3P, which two?
Five of you are town, which five?
Everyone else feel free to take wild shots in the dark too
Is this just all the people who haven't said anything yet
I wouldn’t be opposed
A “hmmmmmmmmmm” is not a wall caseMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:09 pm I wrote like an entire wall case on IAWY earlier. Get on my level guys.
Oh lolSabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:27 am@Dennis j never townread you lolDennis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:43 am Golden could go either way I can't keep track of him to save my life
Kate might be town but she has been very centered on her towniness rather than solving, something of note but I don't think it's too alignment indicative
Party Crasher, I've got no clue on but I rolled my eyes and thought "lame" when I read it was 6 people, for some reason. Couldn't tell ya why
Falcon could be bad but also I think that like every D1 so I'm leaving him alone (and on that topic I won't vote Wilgy today for the same reason)
Lucy is doing her thing where she just says "player x town" so like maybe town
Urist could be bad, that's where my vote would be if I wanted to vote but I don't
Sabi and I are townreading each other, which I hate to be THAT guy but it gives me a bad feeling about them. I will ignore that for now though
Alison is doing that thing where she has the largest ego in the world so I guess maybe town but like maybe drop it back a notch
No one else comes to mind immediately, I'm off to bed buh bye
OkayAlison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:52 amSo it is egotistical to claim that you are capable of catching a single player as mafia? I see. I'd hate to see what not being egotistical looks like to you. Being completely helpless and unable to do anything, I suppose.Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:59 amAlison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:47 amQuote a post I made that was in any way egotistical?Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:43 am Golden could go either way I can't keep track of him to save my life
Kate might be town but she has been very centered on her towniness rather than solving, something of note but I don't think it's too alignment indicative
Party Crasher, I've got no clue on but I rolled my eyes and thought "lame" when I read it was 6 people, for some reason. Couldn't tell ya why
Falcon could be bad but also I think that like every D1 so I'm leaving him alone (and on that topic I won't vote Wilgy today for the same reason)
Lucy is doing her thing where she just says "player x town" so like maybe town
Urist could be bad, that's where my vote would be if I wanted to vote but I don't
Sabi and I are townreading each other, which I hate to be THAT guy but it gives me a bad feeling about them. I will ignore that for now though
Alison is doing that thing where she has the largest ego in the world so I guess maybe town but like maybe drop it back a notch
No one else comes to mind immediately, I'm off to bed buh bye
I guess I can't really argue with this but I wanted to know why it was pointless. But honestly I can't even remember what we were talking about at this point
It is to an amoeba.Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:17 pmA “hmmmmmmmmmm” is not a wall caseMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:09 pm I wrote like an entire wall case on IAWY earlier. Get on my level guys.
Tutuu wrote the wall
No because Kate is townfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:26 pm Kate & Dennis have a decent chance of being wolves together IMO
I said a lot in those characters.Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:17 pmA “hmmmmmmmmmm” is not a wall caseMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:09 pm I wrote like an entire wall case on IAWY earlier. Get on my level guys.
Tutuu wrote the wall
Leave my jocularity out of this!falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:23 pmIt is to an amoeba.Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:17 pmA “hmmmmmmmmmm” is not a wall caseMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:09 pm I wrote like an entire wall case on IAWY earlier. Get on my level guys.
Tutuu wrote the wall
I do believe Monsieur Radicchio was reveling in his own jocularity
Ok I’m actually not that keen on an iawy vote, this post town pings.Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:17 pmI wouldn’t be opposed
To explain myself more, me and HK are decent internet friends, have played a lot together, and specifically play super well with and off of each other when we both rand the same alignment and as town can find each other as such. We tend to both acknowledge each other and at least FMPOV pay attention to what the other is doing in the game because if we’re both town it benefits us both to find each other because we make a formidable force as a team
In the past little while, when we end up in a W!HK / V!Iawy rand, HK has tended to alternatingly take one of two approaches:
1) focus on my posts but take subtle digs at my reads and undermine my credibility by being critical of my thoughts in a way that discredits my reliability as a narrator or a reads-maker
2) Ignore my posts entirely to avoid drawing my gaze toward the scum meta tells in his interaction posts
We are currently in a 2) world (where “HK is town and we’re interacting just fine” is either 0) or 3), take your pick), so I do think [on meta grounds] that HK is mafia here
Why?Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:30 pmNo because Kate is townfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:26 pm Kate & Dennis have a decent chance of being wolves together IMO
Go read her first four posts in cartomancy and her first four here and spot the difference.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:35 pmWhy?Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:30 pmNo because Kate is townfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:26 pm Kate & Dennis have a decent chance of being wolves together IMO
You also thought I looked like cartomancy in holes, as did svsSabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:35 pmWhen he's town: his thoughts are a lot more free flowing and he says things that can be controversial and what not about. The game itself. He's also not hedgy with his reads.nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:33 pmexplain the dennis meta since i dont have it thenSabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:30 pmI wolfed with Dennis and played with town him.
He's jiht and day to his town games.
When he's wolf he's uncomfortable in thread and feels scared of posting his thoughts. He resorts to hedgy reads.
Next.
Where did I discredit Michelle?
Your push on me is in bad faith.
i dont think he seemed scared to post at all
In cartomacy he was avoiding pushing the envelope and kept giving people hedgy reads. He was bad at handling tmi. His fluff was less game focused.
I'm seeing that here.
I can verify this if you look at holes vs cartomacy since those are both his most recent games as either alignments
ilario wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:11 am ebwop
reasonable tell. my plan was to just wait out until numbers dwindle. most likely will sheep alison/mac if i think theyre town since this is their home arena and they'll probs get nkd early if theyre town. once the numbers die down we should work together if we're both still around.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:45 pm ebwop:The theory is basically that mafia partners are more conscious of how they look in relation to one another. As such, they might be more hesitant to engage in casual chatter like this early in a game. Their interactions might instead tend to feel more choreographed, prepared, or calculated. They'll pick their spots.
So when two players freely and spontaneously engage in a silly little side conversation, it can be taken as an indication that they do not have those concerns about perception against them.
This is not a rock solid tell, nor am I saying that I agree or disagree with pyxxy's read of sig and sabiplz. But I can see where the thought comes from, and it is a read I am willing to acknowledge at this stage of the game (even if I'm projecting my own interpretation onto it).
OK, I'll do that. Are you saying that the difference is very noticeable? And, following that, is Kate incapable of learning from past mistakes?Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:39 pmGo read her first four posts in cartomancy and her first four here and spot the difference.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:35 pmWhy?Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:30 pmNo because Kate is townfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:26 pm Kate & Dennis have a decent chance of being wolves together IMO
Yes, I think you’ll notice a significant difference in approach to entering the thread.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:54 pmOK, I'll do that. Are you saying that the difference is very noticeable? And, following that, is Kate incapable of learning from past mistakes?Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:39 pmGo read her first four posts in cartomancy and her first four here and spot the difference.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:35 pmWhy?Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:30 pmNo because Kate is townfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:26 pm Kate & Dennis have a decent chance of being wolves together IMO
Dunno what you’re looking at but it isn’t Kate’s first four posts in carto.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:59 pm So Kate's first 4 posts in Cartomancy are a vote for Sean, and then 3 GIFs...I'd call that a pretty loose, not taking the game seriously approach to the start of D1.
And then I looked at her first 4 posts in this game...no GIF's, but a pretty loose, not taking the game seriously approach is also how she started this D1.
There is no real good reason to TR her based off this, and I'm curious @Golden what you see that makes them incompatible for Kate to post as the same faction?
No GIFs, but the tone is very similar IMOGolden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:59 pmYes, I think you’ll notice a significant difference in approach to entering the thread.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:54 pmOK, I'll do that. Are you saying that the difference is very noticeable? And, following that, is Kate incapable of learning from past mistakes?Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:39 pmGo read her first four posts in cartomancy and her first four here and spot the difference.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:35 pmWhy?Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:30 pmNo because Kate is townfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:26 pm Kate & Dennis have a decent chance of being wolves together IMO
Kate is sneaky and quite capable of mixing it up but I wouldn’t say that would im describing is a mistake to begin with. It’s just personality. In carto you’re seeing a Kate that is endeavouring to appear townie. In this game she didn’t gaf.
I'll be honest I can't read Kate for shit and usually listen to SVS and Golden on that. Which works out unless they are exactly W/W/W usually I think.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:58 pmTo be pocketed, or not to be...that is the question: Whether tis' nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of OUTRAGEOUS fortune, or to take arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing end them?Neon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:45 amI like this votefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:44 amNo buts. I'll vote Dennis in a second...in factNeon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:43 amButfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:41 amI don't think there's a single read he gave in that post that doesn't contain the word "but". It's hedgey AF
[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine
Let's be friends and not kill each other
Actually like I almost always TR you it's usually the other people who kill you
But still
OK, let's live and let live. Thoughts on Kate?
Yeah, my bad. I'll re-assessGolden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:00 pmDunno what you’re looking at but it isn’t Kate’s first four posts in carto.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:59 pm So Kate's first 4 posts in Cartomancy are a vote for Sean, and then 3 GIFs...I'd call that a pretty loose, not taking the game seriously approach to the start of D1.
And then I looked at her first 4 posts in this game...no GIF's, but a pretty loose, not taking the game seriously approach is also how she started this D1.
There is no real good reason to TR her based off this, and I'm curious @Golden what you see that makes them incompatible for Kate to post as the same faction?
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