The Syndicate

Tutuu had to be killed cause confirmed town.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:53 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:44 pm I have to wonder what wolf camillas plan is though by forcing the tdome this hard

She loses the tdome with jack, game over.

She wins, jack flips town, she kills me, enters f3 with roxy and pyx. How does she win that? Ever?

Because I'm not a wolf.

I was the second voter on the wolf roleblocker and I'd have no reason to do so especially since the doctor was still alive.

All the NKs so far were townreading me the hardest.

The person who's been tunneling me for most of the game is still alive despite being fairly consensus town.

tbf I pinged you to vote wilgy, you wouldve been turbod if you refused and he flipped mafia

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:57 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:51 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:42 pm .......god..............I'm phrasing.......poorly.......

.......my Question.......for the thread..............

.......why does.......scum Camilla.......PR hunt now?.......

.......my answer.......is.......frustration..............about being wrong.......on scotty..............but..............I'm curious.......

I'm PR hunting because if Roxy is the Doc then the game's on auto.

Doesn't matter who is elim'd today and provided that Roxy doesn't vote you if I get elim'd today then we just win.

But like….what difference does that make to town you? Wolf you needs that information to win but if town you had already won, why do you want to find the PR? And if town you hasn’t won, shouldn’t you be extra focused on finding wolves?

Because my main concern is getting voted out today and then having you/Roxy domed tomorrow and having Roxy killed.

If Roxy's the doc and claims today then it basically guaranteeds town to win.

If you’re town, Camilla, and we misyeet you and then me ftl, I want you to know from the bottom of my heart it is because you’re playing dishonestly right now and it’s super hard to reevaluate a wolfread that won’t stop being dishonest.

Perhaps we should be starting to wonder why Seanzie was killed D1 over such illustrious names as Camilla, tutuu, Alison, all of whom were, IIRC, more trusted than him.

I'll poke through his legacy and see if he was onto anyone

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:58 pm Scotty didn’t townread you.

Scotty was undecided while Roxy was tunneling me.

If I'm mafia then why is Roxy still alive?

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:51 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:42 pm .......god..............I'm phrasing.......poorly.......

.......my Question.......for the thread..............

.......why does.......scum Camilla.......PR hunt now?.......

.......my answer.......is.......frustration..............about being wrong.......on scotty..............but..............I'm curious.......

I'm PR hunting because if Roxy is the Doc then the game's on auto.

Doesn't matter who is elim'd today and provided that Roxy doesn't vote you if I get elim'd today then we just win.

.......under this logic..............I think..............I still.......chop you..............and then.......preemptively.......say..............that.......I'll believe roxy.......over.......anyone else.......

.......lemme go eat dinner tho.......

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:01 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:51 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:42 pm .......god..............I'm phrasing.......poorly.......

.......my Question.......for the thread..............

.......why does.......scum Camilla.......PR hunt now?.......

.......my answer.......is.......frustration..............about being wrong.......on scotty..............but..............I'm curious.......

I'm PR hunting because if Roxy is the Doc then the game's on auto.

Doesn't matter who is elim'd today and provided that Roxy doesn't vote you if I get elim'd today then we just win.

.......under this logic..............I think..............I still.......chop you..............and then.......preemptively.......say..............that.......I'll believe roxy.......over.......anyone else.......

.......lemme go eat dinner tho.......

.......what.......I'm trying.......to do here.......is..............prevent..............the CC fight.......and narrow.......scum's options.......today.......

.......if I'm.......being.......confusing.......again............................sorry.......

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:01 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:51 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:42 pm .......god..............I'm phrasing.......poorly.......

.......my Question.......for the thread..............

.......why does.......scum Camilla.......PR hunt now?.......

.......my answer.......is.......frustration..............about being wrong.......on scotty..............but..............I'm curious.......

I'm PR hunting because if Roxy is the Doc then the game's on auto.

Doesn't matter who is elim'd today and provided that Roxy doesn't vote you if I get elim'd today then we just win.

.......under this logic..............I think..............I still.......chop you..............and then.......preemptively.......say..............that.......I'll believe roxy.......over.......anyone else.......

.......lemme go eat dinner tho.......

I'll be okay with this if Roxy doesn't vote you tomorrow.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:00 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:57 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:51 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:42 pm .......god..............I'm phrasing.......poorly.......

.......my Question.......for the thread..............

.......why does.......scum Camilla.......PR hunt now?.......

.......my answer.......is.......frustration..............about being wrong.......on scotty..............but..............I'm curious.......

I'm PR hunting because if Roxy is the Doc then the game's on auto.

Doesn't matter who is elim'd today and provided that Roxy doesn't vote you if I get elim'd today then we just win.

But like….what difference does that make to town you? Wolf you needs that information to win but if town you had already won, why do you want to find the PR? And if town you hasn’t won, shouldn’t you be extra focused on finding wolves?

Because my main concern is getting voted out today and then having you/Roxy domed tomorrow and having Roxy killed.

If Roxy's the doc and claims today then it basically guaranteeds town to win.

If your town and Roxy is the dic and I’m the wolf then town wins. It doesn’t matter if you know Roxy is the dic or not. Town still wins. So why are you trying to figure out if Roxy is the doc?

Like I’m not crazy, right? It does town Camilla no good at all to figure this out.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:01 pm Perhaps we should be starting to wonder why Seanzie was killed D1 over such illustrious names as Camilla, tutuu, Alison, all of whom were, IIRC, more trusted than him.

I'll poke through his legacy and see if he was onto anyone

I was doing nothing d1 due to IRL.

Meh sean didnt have a legacy really

His only strong scumread was porscha, he had a vote on roxy but that seemed more like a reaction test and he never brought it up again

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:58 pm Scotty didn’t townread you.

Scotty was undecided while Roxy was tunneling me.

If I'm mafia then why is Roxy still alive?

pyxxy suggested that its because wilgy blocked scotty n3 (when tutuu who should have been protected died), and so he was your best guess for who the doc was. So there are worlds where scum you kills scotty

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:05 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:58 pm Scotty didn’t townread you.

Scotty was undecided while Roxy was tunneling me.

If I'm mafia then why is Roxy still alive?

pyxxy suggested that its because wilgy blocked scotty n3 (when tutuu who should have been protected died), and so he was your best guess for who the doc was. So there are worlds where scum you kills scotty

Right, but Scotty was not the doctor and still died regardless.

We can put this theory to rest if Roxy claims doc and if she did in fact doc Tutuu that day or if she just trolled as I don't think she would be restricted by the non-consecutive thing as I doubt that she'd doc someone she was wolfreading n2.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:01 pm Perhaps we should be starting to wonder why Seanzie was killed D1 over such illustrious names as Camilla, tutuu, Alison, all of whom were, IIRC, more trusted than him.

I'll poke through his legacy and see if he was onto anyone

.......did this.......yesterday..............it's.......pretty blah.......

..............as in..............well done.......seanzie.......earning.......the NK.......via.......smoking.......on that Porscha pack.......D1.......

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:58 pm Scotty didn’t townread you.

Scotty was undecided while Roxy was tunneling me.

If I'm mafia then why is Roxy still alive?

But you just argued that all the nks were townreading you. More dishonesty.



You thought Scotty was more likely the doc or would be harder to fool or you would rather argue “If I was a wolf, I’d have killed Roxy” and also deal with Roxy than deal with Scotty without getting to make that point. Or you thought Roxy was more misyeetable than Scotty.

Like…it’s not hard to imagine. You even said yourself it was about PR hunting at sod. Now it’s supposed to be about PR hunting…unless Roxy scumreads you? Nah nah.

I don’t want anyone to claim doc unless it’s Camilla and Camilla has already claimed not doc.

I think I made it clear yesterDay that I was much more suspicious of roxy than scotty so if roxy and scotty are both town then there is some incentive for any wolf to kill scotty

In checking if Neon townread Camilla or not….why did the wolves kill Neon? She wasn’t after any of them. Too obviously the cop with a green check on Tutuu if you were looking for that kinda thing I guess?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:09 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:58 pm Scotty didn’t townread you.

Scotty was undecided while Roxy was tunneling me.

If I'm mafia then why is Roxy still alive?

But you just argued that all the nks were townreading you. More dishonesty.



You thought Scotty was more likely the doc or would be harder to fool or you would rather argue “If I was a wolf, I’d have killed Roxy” and also deal with Roxy than deal with Scotty without getting to make that point. Or you thought Roxy was more misyeetable than Scotty.

Like…it’s not hard to imagine. You even said yourself it was about PR hunting at sod. Now it’s supposed to be about PR hunting…unless Roxy scumreads you? Nah nah.

I've been pretty clear that I've been reading Roxy as most likely doc.

If I were a wolf that I'd just kill her.

Unlike you I'm not this bad at PR hunting.

Sorry

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:13 pm In checking if Neon townread Camilla or not….why did the wolves kill Neon? She wasn’t after any of them. Too obviously the cop with a green check on Tutuu if you were looking for that kinda thing I guess?

tutuu said neon was obvious cop even to her (who wasn't hunting for PR) so probs that's why

I wasn't really paying attention to PR stuff and kinda played the game mountainous so i just accepted it if thats what she saw

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:09 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:58 pm Scotty didn’t townread you.

Scotty was undecided while Roxy was tunneling me.

If I'm mafia then why is Roxy still alive?

But you just argued that all the nks were townreading you. More dishonesty.



You thought Scotty was more likely the doc or would be harder to fool or you would rather argue “If I was a wolf, I’d have killed Roxy” and also deal with Roxy than deal with Scotty without getting to make that point. Or you thought Roxy was more misyeetable than Scotty.

Like…it’s not hard to imagine. You even said yourself it was about PR hunting at sod. Now it’s supposed to be about PR hunting…unless Roxy scumreads you? Nah nah.

I've been pretty clear that I've been reading Roxy as most likely doc.

If I were a wolf that I'd just kill her.

Unlike you I'm not this bad at PR hunting.

Sorry

I’m bad at PR hunting the way I’m bad at noodling and DOTA. Putting on makeup. Handstands. Lion taming. You’d be amazed at how little you succeed at doing things when you don’t put your mind to it because it’s not part of your fucking wincon.

Also….why would you want to “clearly” have a read on the doc when you’re town?

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:09 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:58 pm Scotty didn’t townread you.

Scotty was undecided while Roxy was tunneling me.

If I'm mafia then why is Roxy still alive?

But you just argued that all the nks were townreading you. More dishonesty.



You thought Scotty was more likely the doc or would be harder to fool or you would rather argue “If I was a wolf, I’d have killed Roxy” and also deal with Roxy than deal with Scotty without getting to make that point. Or you thought Roxy was more misyeetable than Scotty.

Like…it’s not hard to imagine. You even said yourself it was about PR hunting at sod. Now it’s supposed to be about PR hunting…unless Roxy scumreads you? Nah nah.

I've been pretty clear that I've been reading Roxy as most likely doc.

If I were a wolf that I'd just kill her.

Unlike you I'm not this bad at PR hunting.

Sorry

do you have evidence that you read roxy as the doc before today?

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:20 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:09 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:58 pm Scotty didn’t townread you.

Scotty was undecided while Roxy was tunneling me.

If I'm mafia then why is Roxy still alive?

But you just argued that all the nks were townreading you. More dishonesty.



You thought Scotty was more likely the doc or would be harder to fool or you would rather argue “If I was a wolf, I’d have killed Roxy” and also deal with Roxy than deal with Scotty without getting to make that point. Or you thought Roxy was more misyeetable than Scotty.

Like…it’s not hard to imagine. You even said yourself it was about PR hunting at sod. Now it’s supposed to be about PR hunting…unless Roxy scumreads you? Nah nah.

I've been pretty clear that I've been reading Roxy as most likely doc.

If I were a wolf that I'd just kill her.

Unlike you I'm not this bad at PR hunting.

Sorry

do you have evidence that you read roxy as the doc before today?

Yes? That's one of the main reasons I've been reluctant on PoE'ing Roxy.

Again Roxy's OMGUS-y attitude felt extremely PRish which is why I was mostly looking at Scotty/Wilgy/Pyxxy/Jack as the broader PoE after Falcon died.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:20 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:09 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:58 pm Scotty didn’t townread you.

Scotty was undecided while Roxy was tunneling me.

If I'm mafia then why is Roxy still alive?

But you just argued that all the nks were townreading you. More dishonesty.



You thought Scotty was more likely the doc or would be harder to fool or you would rather argue “If I was a wolf, I’d have killed Roxy” and also deal with Roxy than deal with Scotty without getting to make that point. Or you thought Roxy was more misyeetable than Scotty.

Like…it’s not hard to imagine. You even said yourself it was about PR hunting at sod. Now it’s supposed to be about PR hunting…unless Roxy scumreads you? Nah nah.

I've been pretty clear that I've been reading Roxy as most likely doc.

If I were a wolf that I'd just kill her.

Unlike you I'm not this bad at PR hunting.

Sorry

do you have evidence that you read roxy as the doc before today?

I swear to god if she pulls a post of Roxy saying “I am not the doc”…

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:17 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:13 pm In checking if Neon townread Camilla or not….why did the wolves kill Neon? She wasn’t after any of them. Too obviously the cop with a green check on Tutuu if you were looking for that kinda thing I guess?

tutuu said neon was obvious cop even to her (who wasn't hunting for PR) so probs that's why

I wasn't really paying attention to PR stuff and kinda played the game mountainous so i just accepted it if thats what she saw

Okay so to be super clear, the wolf kills were:

Seanzie, who buried Portia and never mentioned Camilla at all.
Neon, who was the obvious cop
Tutuu, who was obviously greenchecked
Scotty, who did not townread Camilla

And Camilla says

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:53 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:44 pm I have to wonder what wolf camillas plan is though by forcing the tdome this hard

She loses the tdome with jack, game over.

She wins, jack flips town, she kills me, enters f3 with roxy and pyx. How does she win that? Ever?

Because I'm not a wolf.

I was the second voter on the wolf roleblocker and I'd have no reason to do so especially since the doctor was still alive.

All the NKs so far were townreading me the hardest.

The person who's been tunneling me for most of the game is still alive despite being fairly consensus town.

Please someone tell me it isn’t just me seeing dishonest post after dishonest post from Camilla.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:24 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:20 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:09 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:58 pm Scotty didn’t townread you.

Scotty was undecided while Roxy was tunneling me.

If I'm mafia then why is Roxy still alive?

But you just argued that all the nks were townreading you. More dishonesty.



You thought Scotty was more likely the doc or would be harder to fool or you would rather argue “If I was a wolf, I’d have killed Roxy” and also deal with Roxy than deal with Scotty without getting to make that point. Or you thought Roxy was more misyeetable than Scotty.

Like…it’s not hard to imagine. You even said yourself it was about PR hunting at sod. Now it’s supposed to be about PR hunting…unless Roxy scumreads you? Nah nah.

I've been pretty clear that I've been reading Roxy as most likely doc.

If I were a wolf that I'd just kill her.

Unlike you I'm not this bad at PR hunting.

Sorry

do you have evidence that you read roxy as the doc before today?

I swear to god if she pulls a post of Roxy saying “I am not the doc”…

PRs are never blatant.

Only time where I've seen a PR be this blatant was in that Thirteen Decades game when Alison was gimmicking as Ilya and was the obvious town investigative role d1.

And I killed her n1.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:26 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:17 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:13 pm In checking if Neon townread Camilla or not….why did the wolves kill Neon? She wasn’t after any of them. Too obviously the cop with a green check on Tutuu if you were looking for that kinda thing I guess?

tutuu said neon was obvious cop even to her (who wasn't hunting for PR) so probs that's why

I wasn't really paying attention to PR stuff and kinda played the game mountainous so i just accepted it if thats what she saw

Okay so to be super clear, the wolf kills were:

Seanzie, who buried Portia and never mentioned Camilla at all.
Neon, who was the obvious cop
Tutuu, who was obviously greenchecked
Scotty, who did not townread Camilla

And Camilla says

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:53 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:44 pm I have to wonder what wolf camillas plan is though by forcing the tdome this hard

She loses the tdome with jack, game over.

She wins, jack flips town, she kills me, enters f3 with roxy and pyx. How does she win that? Ever?

Because I'm not a wolf.

I was the second voter on the wolf roleblocker and I'd have no reason to do so especially since the doctor was still alive.

All the NKs so far were townreading me the hardest.

The person who's been tunneling me for most of the game is still alive despite being fairly consensus town.

Please someone tell me it isn’t just me seeing dishonest post after dishonest post from Camilla.

By all I meant Neon/Tutuu.

I wasn't playing while Seanzie was still alive.

Scotty did have paranoia but unlike Roxy he was not tunneling me.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:27 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:26 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:17 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:13 pm In checking if Neon townread Camilla or not….why did the wolves kill Neon? She wasn’t after any of them. Too obviously the cop with a green check on Tutuu if you were looking for that kinda thing I guess?

tutuu said neon was obvious cop even to her (who wasn't hunting for PR) so probs that's why

I wasn't really paying attention to PR stuff and kinda played the game mountainous so i just accepted it if thats what she saw

Okay so to be super clear, the wolf kills were:

Seanzie, who buried Portia and never mentioned Camilla at all.
Neon, who was the obvious cop
Tutuu, who was obviously greenchecked
Scotty, who did not townread Camilla

And Camilla says

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:53 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:44 pm I have to wonder what wolf camillas plan is though by forcing the tdome this hard

She loses the tdome with jack, game over.

She wins, jack flips town, she kills me, enters f3 with roxy and pyx. How does she win that? Ever?

Because I'm not a wolf.

I was the second voter on the wolf roleblocker and I'd have no reason to do so especially since the doctor was still alive.

All the NKs so far were townreading me the hardest.

The person who's been tunneling me for most of the game is still alive despite being fairly consensus town.

Please someone tell me it isn’t just me seeing dishonest post after dishonest post from Camilla.

By all I meant Neon/Tutuu.

I wasn't playing while Seanzie was still alive.

Scotty did have paranoia but unlike Roxy he was not tunneling me.

You can understand how “all the nightkills were townreading me the most” seems like a super dishonest spin on the truth of the matter, that the only nks who townread you at all would have been the nks anyways for mechanical reasons, right?

And that accounts for less than half.

Not even my shitty coworker pretends that the half of something he did was all of something that got done.

If you’re like…bad at rounding

Pretend I know that 2 is not less than half of 4 that’s the joke

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:30 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:27 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:26 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:17 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:13 pm In checking if Neon townread Camilla or not….why did the wolves kill Neon? She wasn’t after any of them. Too obviously the cop with a green check on Tutuu if you were looking for that kinda thing I guess?

tutuu said neon was obvious cop even to her (who wasn't hunting for PR) so probs that's why

I wasn't really paying attention to PR stuff and kinda played the game mountainous so i just accepted it if thats what she saw

Okay so to be super clear, the wolf kills were:

Seanzie, who buried Portia and never mentioned Camilla at all.
Neon, who was the obvious cop
Tutuu, who was obviously greenchecked
Scotty, who did not townread Camilla

And Camilla says

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:53 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:44 pm I have to wonder what wolf camillas plan is though by forcing the tdome this hard

She loses the tdome with jack, game over.

She wins, jack flips town, she kills me, enters f3 with roxy and pyx. How does she win that? Ever?

Because I'm not a wolf.

I was the second voter on the wolf roleblocker and I'd have no reason to do so especially since the doctor was still alive.

All the NKs so far were townreading me the hardest.

The person who's been tunneling me for most of the game is still alive despite being fairly consensus town.

Please someone tell me it isn’t just me seeing dishonest post after dishonest post from Camilla.

By all I meant Neon/Tutuu.

I wasn't playing while Seanzie was still alive.

Scotty did have paranoia but unlike Roxy he was not tunneling me.

You can understand how “all the nightkills were townreading me the most” seems like a super dishonest spin on the truth of the matter, that the only nks who townread you at all would have been the nks anyways for mechanical reasons, right?

They still did read me and their reads were more accurate than the surviving villas rn, so

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:24 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:20 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:09 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:58 pm Scotty didn’t townread you.

Scotty was undecided while Roxy was tunneling me.

If I'm mafia then why is Roxy still alive?

But you just argued that all the nks were townreading you. More dishonesty.



You thought Scotty was more likely the doc or would be harder to fool or you would rather argue “If I was a wolf, I’d have killed Roxy” and also deal with Roxy than deal with Scotty without getting to make that point. Or you thought Roxy was more misyeetable than Scotty.

Like…it’s not hard to imagine. You even said yourself it was about PR hunting at sod. Now it’s supposed to be about PR hunting…unless Roxy scumreads you? Nah nah.

I've been pretty clear that I've been reading Roxy as most likely doc.

If I were a wolf that I'd just kill her.

Unlike you I'm not this bad at PR hunting.

Sorry

do you have evidence that you read roxy as the doc before today?

Yes? That's one of the main reasons I've been reluctant on PoE'ing Roxy.

Again Roxy's OMGUS-y attitude felt extremely PRish which is why I was mostly looking at Scotty/Wilgy/Pyxxy/Jack as the broader PoE after Falcon died.

I understand that is your stated reasoning for reading roxy as pr, im asking if you can prove you had this read on d4 or earlier, thus corroborating your claim that you would have killed roxy if mafia

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:30 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:27 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:26 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:17 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:13 pm In checking if Neon townread Camilla or not….why did the wolves kill Neon? She wasn’t after any of them. Too obviously the cop with a green check on Tutuu if you were looking for that kinda thing I guess?

tutuu said neon was obvious cop even to her (who wasn't hunting for PR) so probs that's why

I wasn't really paying attention to PR stuff and kinda played the game mountainous so i just accepted it if thats what she saw

Okay so to be super clear, the wolf kills were:

Seanzie, who buried Portia and never mentioned Camilla at all.
Neon, who was the obvious cop
Tutuu, who was obviously greenchecked
Scotty, who did not townread Camilla

And Camilla says

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:53 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:44 pm I have to wonder what wolf camillas plan is though by forcing the tdome this hard

She loses the tdome with jack, game over.

She wins, jack flips town, she kills me, enters f3 with roxy and pyx. How does she win that? Ever?

Because I'm not a wolf.

I was the second voter on the wolf roleblocker and I'd have no reason to do so especially since the doctor was still alive.

All the NKs so far were townreading me the hardest.

The person who's been tunneling me for most of the game is still alive despite being fairly consensus town.

Please someone tell me it isn’t just me seeing dishonest post after dishonest post from Camilla.

By all I meant Neon/Tutuu.

I wasn't playing while Seanzie was still alive.

Scotty did have paranoia but unlike Roxy he was not tunneling me.

You can understand how “all the nightkills were townreading me the most” seems like a super dishonest spin on the truth of the matter, that the only nks who townread you at all would have been the nks anyways for mechanical reasons, right?

They still did read me and their reads were more accurate than the surviving villas rn, so

It’s still a lie…

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:26 pm PRs are never blatant.

Only time where I've seen a PR be this blatant was in that Thirteen Decades game when Alison was gimmicking as Ilya and was the obvious town investigative role d1.

And I killed her n1.

What gave it away? Was it the part where I said "I'M THE TOWN PR!!!!!!" and then added a bunch of emojis after it?

Meh i think its fine to be like "flipped town had me as locktown in their legacy, even if they were killed for mech reasons theyre good players and you should listen to their reads"

Im more interested in this whole "it was clear i read roxy as doc yesterday"... afaict there is no evidence of this other than camilla not wagoning roxy (which could be for any reason)

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:32 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:24 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:20 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:09 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:58 pm Scotty didn’t townread you.

Scotty was undecided while Roxy was tunneling me.

If I'm mafia then why is Roxy still alive?

But you just argued that all the nks were townreading you. More dishonesty.



You thought Scotty was more likely the doc or would be harder to fool or you would rather argue “If I was a wolf, I’d have killed Roxy” and also deal with Roxy than deal with Scotty without getting to make that point. Or you thought Roxy was more misyeetable than Scotty.

Like…it’s not hard to imagine. You even said yourself it was about PR hunting at sod. Now it’s supposed to be about PR hunting…unless Roxy scumreads you? Nah nah.

I've been pretty clear that I've been reading Roxy as most likely doc.

If I were a wolf that I'd just kill her.

Unlike you I'm not this bad at PR hunting.

Sorry

do you have evidence that you read roxy as the doc before today?

Yes? That's one of the main reasons I've been reluctant on PoE'ing Roxy.

Again Roxy's OMGUS-y attitude felt extremely PRish which is why I was mostly looking at Scotty/Wilgy/Pyxxy/Jack as the broader PoE after Falcon died.

I understand that is your stated reasoning for reading roxy as pr, im asking if you can prove you had this read on d4 or earlier, thus corroborating your claim that you would have killed roxy if mafia

Unfortunately I don't think I can.

The way I treat my PR reads is that I defend them if they're pushed and nothing else as if they're not in danger of being ML'd then there's no point to do so as you're just signaling to the wolves.

Since Roxy wasn't being under pressure then there was no point in bringing attention to her then.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:33 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:26 pm PRs are never blatant.

Only time where I've seen a PR be this blatant was in that Thirteen Decades game when Alison was gimmicking as Ilya and was the obvious town investigative role d1.

And I killed her n1.

What gave it away? Was it the part where I said "I'M THE TOWN PR!!!!!!" and then added a bunch of emojis after it?

Yes, as it felt like you were too PR-y it to feel like a WIFOM play.

And partially because you did the same thing in another game so yh.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:38 pm Unfortunately I don't think I can.

The way I treat my PR reads is that I defend them if they're pushed and nothing else as if they're not in danger of being ML'd then there's no point to do so as you're just signaling to the wolves.

Since Roxy wasn't being under pressure then there was no point in bringing attention to her then.

Hows it supposed to be clear to us then, if you know full well you gave no indication

If you want to rely on your roxy pr read as a defense you have to give some evidence it wasnt made up on the spot

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:39 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:38 pm Unfortunately I don't think I can.

The way I treat my PR reads is that I defend them if they're pushed and nothing else as if they're not in danger of being ML'd then there's no point to do so as you're just signaling to the wolves.

Since Roxy wasn't being under pressure then there was no point in bringing attention to her then.

Hows it supposed to be clear to us then, if you know full well you gave no indication

If you want to rely on your roxy pr read as a defense you have to give some evidence it wasnt made up on the spot

Meh, but the main argument against the NKA pretty much boils down to the fact that the wolves rb'd Scotty and then killed Tutu.

If they did Rb Scotty then this means that the actual doctor did not protected the green check n3, so this theory's either just likely bunk.

A lot of it is conjecture but again, I still maintain that it should be clear that Jack's the last wolf by taking a look at how fast he went from strongly TR'ing Wilgy to lockwolfing him and even going as far as spew-reading him before he even flipped.

I wanna do a trustfall and distrustfall

Trustfall
Camilla - voted two wolves early and didnt move off, tutuu and zenon had her in towncore, has had clout + personality to get the wagons off her partners if scum but hasnt really made an attempt to do so. No idea how she finds her way to a win if she forces a tdome with jack

Jack - his solves have seemed thoughtful even when i don't fully agree with them. Voted for wilgy and didnt shift off, and iirc questioned wilgy's assertion that it should be scotty/pyx yesterday before i did

Pyxxy - has been generally townie on play even through the gimmick, and both flipped wolves have seemed very interested in getting him exed

Roxy - has had flashes of really townie moments that seem difficult to fake. Refusal to go along with consensus seems genuinely paranoid, especially when the consensus is stuff like "lets kill falcon/rondo" that a scum would be happy to go along with

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:54 pm Trustfall
Camilla - voted two wolves early and didnt move off, tutuu and zenon had her in towncore, has had clout + personality to get the wagons off her partners if scum but hasnt really made an attempt to do so. No idea how she finds her way to a win if she forces a tdome with jack

Jack - his solves have seemed thoughtful even when i don't fully agree with them. Voted for wilgy and didnt shift off, and iirc questioned wilgy's assertion that it should be scotty/pyx yesterday before i did

Pyxxy - has been generally townie on play even through the gimmick, and both flipped wolves have seemed very interested in getting him exed

Roxy - has had flashes of really townie moments that seem difficult to fake. Refusal to go along with consensus seems genuinely paranoid, especially when the consensus is stuff like "lets kill falcon/rondo" that a scum would be happy to go along with

I didn't exactly vote for Porscha?

I just found her reaction to your vote bad but didn't manage to return in time to cast a vote.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:48 pm I wanna do a trustfall and distrustfall

.......don't forget.......yourself.......

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:58 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:48 pm I wanna do a trustfall and distrustfall

.......don't forget.......yourself.......

Why would W!Alison bring attention to Wilgy D4?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:58 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:48 pm I wanna do a trustfall and distrustfall

.......don't forget.......yourself.......

My rolecard says I’m town. However, Syn has made mistakes before.

Distrustfall
Camilla - I'm not really sure if I buy some of her self defense today. Its true that tutuu and zenon townreading her counts for something but it feels iffy for her to frame it like she would never kill them even though she obviously would. It makes some sense for porscha to be demoralized d1 if her partners are an afk wilgy and afk camilla.

Jack - Same thing as camilla, porscha flopping over belly up makes sense if she had no active teammates to defend her (as prince j was afk). Preflipping wilgy felt weird, and he was much less paranoid of me than usual before the wilgy flip (i know there is an explanation, but still).

Pyxxy - Has self-admittedly coasted a bit. Seemed more interested in shading zenon and tutuu eod1 even when he was counterwagoning a maf. Has not really pushed either flipped wolf or brought any earth shattering thoughts to the thread.

Roxy - hasnt done much other than have good tone. Had a jack/camilla solve yesterday when everyone else caught wilgy.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:58 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:54 pm Trustfall
Camilla - voted two wolves early and didnt move off, tutuu and zenon had her in towncore, has had clout + personality to get the wagons off her partners if scum but hasnt really made an attempt to do so. No idea how she finds her way to a win if she forces a tdome with jack

Jack - his solves have seemed thoughtful even when i don't fully agree with them. Voted for wilgy and didnt shift off, and iirc questioned wilgy's assertion that it should be scotty/pyx yesterday before i did

Pyxxy - has been generally townie on play even through the gimmick, and both flipped wolves have seemed very interested in getting him exed

Roxy - has had flashes of really townie moments that seem difficult to fake. Refusal to go along with consensus seems genuinely paranoid, especially when the consensus is stuff like "lets kill falcon/rondo" that a scum would be happy to go along with

I didn't exactly vote for Porscha?

I just found her reaction to your vote bad but didn't manage to return in time to cast a vote.

Oh my bad. I had it in my mind you voted porscha

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:58 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:48 pm I wanna do a trustfall and distrustfall

.......don't forget.......yourself.......

Well a trustfall and distrustfall is when you list the strongest reason to townread or scumread someone

And the idea is you get a better sense of the solve by seeing who you had to try the hardest to come up with reasons for

I had the hardest time coming up with reasons to distrust you, but I dont think i struggled to come up with reasons to trust anyone

So if i trustfalled myself it would just be because I know my role card lol