The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Anyone think LoRab would have tried to kill me after I called her one of my top two town reads?

Do you have any reason to believe LoRab would have done this over anyone else?

I don't think she did it. I'm asking her detractors.

insertnamehere wrote:What do you want from me, Sloonei?

motel room wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:What do you want from me, Sloonei?

Digging back I found this old classic line.

Putting my vote on insertname for now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

motel room wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:What do you want from me, Sloonei?

Digging back I found this old classic line.

Putting my vote on insertname for now.

Oh damn. I didn't notice that.

I said that in the champs finale and got roasted. I was bad. I haven't personally observed this as a trendy baddie comment, but I know numerous good players who consider it gospel.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

motel room wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:What do you want from me, Sloonei?

Digging back I found this old classic line.

Putting my vote on insertname for now.

Oh damn. I didn't notice that.

I said that in the champs finale and got roasted. I was bad. I haven't personally observed this as a trendy baddie comment, but I know numerous good players who consider it gospel.

motel room wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

motel room wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:What do you want from me, Sloonei?

Digging back I found this old classic line.

Putting my vote on insertname for now.

Oh damn. I didn't notice that.

I said that in the champs finale and got roasted. I was bad. I haven't personally observed this as a trendy baddie comment, but I know numerous good players who consider it gospel.

I was watching that game, that's where I picked up looking out for it.

MacDougall wrote:Who wants to vote for the Zebra with me?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

motel room wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:What do you want from me, Sloonei?

Digging back I found this old classic line.

Putting my vote on insertname for now.

Oh damn. I didn't notice that.

I said that in the champs finale and got roasted. I was bad. I haven't personally observed this as a trendy baddie comment, but I know numerous good players who consider it gospel.

What's the logic behind that attitude / question coming from a more likely mafia than town mindset?

MacDougall wrote:Who wants to vote for the Zebra with me?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

motel room wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:What do you want from me, Sloonei?

Digging back I found this old classic line.

Putting my vote on insertname for now.

Oh damn. I didn't notice that.

I said that in the champs finale and got roasted. I was bad. I haven't personally observed this as a trendy baddie comment, but I know numerous good players who consider it gospel.

What's the logic behind that attitude / question coming from a more likely mafia than town mindset?

I'll explain my own circumstance from that game for context:

I spent pretty much the entire game under fire from one source, the player coolkid (eventual tournament champion). I fought him at every turn for days and days, never backing down, trying to stay poised under intense pressure. Eventually I dropped that bomb, not realizing it would be a mistake: what do you want from me, man?

It helped change my scenario from "JJJ under pressure" to "JJJ in the noose".

The argument they made against me, which was probably accurate, was that the question represents a sense of desperation wrought of the wrong mindset. They see a baddie who is fighting tooth and nail for every inch of breathing room in the thread, desperate to earn town reads. It was the symbolic cracking of the JJJ eggshell -- no longer was I showing an earnest interest in reading the motivations of my detractor, but instead I was revealing that what I really wanted most was for him to change his mind. That's more scum than town.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Who wants to vote for the Zebra with me?

Convince me. I know you were BZZZZing around her earlier, but just tell me as concisely as possible why I should join you.

MacDougall wrote:Zebra is Mafia without doubt. 100% absolute bonafide guaranteed lock it down impossible to deny. Buddied me and was friendly when I was in agreeance, I make ONE post pointing out that I feel she is Mafia and now magically I am dark orange. Pfffft hide your colours better.

LoRab wrote:

Dom wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Dom wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Dom once again sits out the lynch.

Hi there.
Excuse me?

You parked your vote on MP early on. Again.

Explain to me how that's sitting out.
I voted someone who I believed was baddie. I made multiple posts trying to convince others to vote with me.

LoRab wrote:I find curious that Dom hasn't responded to any of my posts that mention him...

You mean where you said I am more paranoid as a baddie? Ok. Cool. Where am I paranoid? Because I made a case against MP because I believed (and kind of still do, but see the limits of the reality here) that he was buddying me? How is that paranoid?

Or are you talking about this:

LoRab wrote: My other suspicions are more amorphous: the low posters because they don't give us anything to go on. I keep getting pings from Dom, but he has also said things that feel civ to me--but he's on my list of considerations.

Which is so unsubstantial I don't even know how you'd like me to respond.

This post is a shitstorm. You do the following things in it:
1) Make no direct accusation. Let others do that for you.
2) Imply malintent on my part by using relatively *neutral* words like curious, but pairing it with an ellipses.
3) Not even have anything really to respond to.

I more meant the first one, but that you didn't acknowledge either post was what struck me. And not so much about when you are more paranoid, but that you were/are being paranoid here. It is partly the buttering up thing. It also your general tone in responding to others. But also.... Can you state where MP was buttering you up?

And the purpose of my post where I mention you (which included many things other than you) wasn't meant to make a case against you, merely to explain why you are on my radar at all. Mainly because I was asked directly. If you read it as a whole, you'll probably even see that you're not the highest of my suspicions.

The purpose of the post where I say you haven't responded was simply to say that you hadn't responded. Not to make a direct accusation based on it, but to note it. And to get you to respond.

I always use words like curious. And as I have said about you, I'm really not sure. So neutral words are exactly that. I do find it odd that you didn't acknowledge my posts at all. I was not implying malintent.

It your tone of response demonstrates the paranoia mentioned earlier.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

LoRab wrote:@jjj: to answer your query about your first point, I agree. I also think it makes it highly unlikely that Elo had BTSC with glorf. Or Quin for that matter.

Do you feel there's anything to be said from that about indiglo, the other replacement?

indiglo wrote:
I will add this - I love being lynched as a civ. Not because I like to lose, or because I want my team to lose. But because I love being right. But here's the dig - when I get lynched as a civ, the baddies are happy, and the civs who were wrong will still feel justified and say "well, she should have acted like a civ" and no one learns anything from the whole situation. But I am not a robot with pre-programmed responses as to how to "act like a civ" according to someone else. What I am is ass crack exhausted, I wanted to get my feet under me in this game to actually play it. That didn't happen. So now I'm in between a rock and a hard place. I'm too tired to fight to get out, and I'm too annoyed to care to push through the exhaustion and try.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I didn't expect INH to sweep the baddie reads. That's interesting. He has fallen from grace more than perhaps anyone else.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Anyone think LoRab would have tried to kill me after I called her one of my top two town reads?

MacDougall wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Who wants to vote for the Zebra with me?

Convince me. I know you were BZZZZing around her earlier, but just tell me as concisely as possible why I should join you.

Zebra had a civ read of me. Well documented. We were buddies.

In light of Elo's flip, she made a 1 emoticon reply, which I found forced and in light of her position on the lynch I made a snap read of bad. That sort of half joking but not kind of read.

The next time she made a rainbow list I was dark orange. She says it's because the elo flip makes me look bad.

I proceeded to bzz her and she came out with a comment that indicated that "I am seeing what I want to see, as usual" which was an affront to my ability to play the game, which is fine, but importantly it indicates that she actually has a civ read of me, because if she had a real Mafia read of me, she'd be reading my activity as manipulative and nefarious rather than wrong.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Who wants to vote for the Zebra with me?

Convince me. I know you were BZZZZing around her earlier, but just tell me as concisely as possible why I should join you.

Zebra had a civ read of me. Well documented. We were buddies.

In light of Elo's flip, she made a 1 emoticon reply, which I found forced and in light of her position on the lynch I made a snap read of bad. That sort of half joking but not kind of read.

The next time she made a rainbow list I was dark orange. She says it's because the elo flip makes me look bad.

I proceeded to bzz her and she came out with a comment that indicated that "I am seeing what I want to see, as usual" which was an affront to my ability to play the game, which is fine, but importantly it indicates that she actually has a civ read of me, because if she had a real Mafia read of me, she'd be reading my activity as manipulative and nefarious rather than wrong.

That (bolded/underlined) logic is compelling. I'd be curious to see her response to that interpretation.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Dom, just caught your post in linki. What do you think about that post of indi's you quoted -- with respect to her alignment? Does it influence your read at all in that way?

Dom wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

LoRab wrote:@jjj: to answer your query about your first point, I agree. I also think it makes it highly unlikely that Elo had BTSC with glorf. Or Quin for that matter.

Do you feel there's anything to be said from that about indiglo, the other replacement?

Can you spell out what you mean here?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Who wants to vote for the Zebra with me?

I will spend more than a third of a second considering your proposal if you talk about something else.

MacDougall wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Who wants to vote for the Zebra with me?

I will spend more than a third of a second considering your proposal if you talk about something else.

Oh dear we have a confirmed Jimmy so he's decided he needs to talk down to me even more than usual. Feels great.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Who wants to vote for the Zebra with me?

I will spend more than a third of a second considering your proposal if you talk about something else.

Oh dear we have a confirmed Jimmy so he's decided he needs to talk down to me even more than usual. Feels great.

Meh. I think you made a fair point against Zebra just now. I await Zebra's response.

Scotty has taken over for sprityo. How do you feel about his re-entry so far?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
I can understand why she might look town at face value. Her frustration appears genuine. I have to decide which of these it is:

1. She's town, and she would rather catch up with the game than deal with accusations.

2. She's bad, and she feels like she's being caught for stupid reasons.

#2 is one of the best scumtells in the game of Mafia, so I won't discard it without a good reason.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:You want me to still check out that ISO from before or is it moot?

You might as well if you have the time. Don't respond to everything though. If you want, pick out any three negative things I had to say and talk about them.

You're right that I was making a concerted effort to 'play loose'. Day 1s are particularly difficult for me, especially as town, because I historically suffer from severe analysis paralysis. I also get too emotionally tied to these games. I haven't played mafia in a while (since I had to replace out of Red vs Blue and my schedule has been busy), and when I have most of my most recent games I have been rolling mafia, which has been exhausting. I was relieved to receive my alignment because it allowed me the opportunity to take a different approach to hunting. A lot of my behavior during d1 was an attempt to actively revamp my style to some degree to increase my effectiveness and my enjoyment, comprising the combination of (1) trying to just not take things seriously to keep my blood pressure down and my enjoyment up, (2) reaction baiting (though not very effectively), and (3) trying to listen more to my gut but nonetheless not giving in too much to emotion, because I've found that my town game is pretty ineffective between trying to overanalyze everything and tunneling. Now that I type all of this out I think I realize that's what Dom was reading as inconsistent, and perhaps why he was perceiving that I was deliberately trying to play differently / control my outbursts. He can attest to that being an accurate interpretation or not. I'm not sure if this helps at all but I don't see the point in not being transparent about it anymore, even if I thought it was evident I was trying to play differently.

Unfortunately, as much as I tried though it just didn't feel natural and I kept slipping into my usual more rationally-driven playstyle, and I abandoned it after I didn't feel like it was working that much for me. I'm not sure how Metalmarsh does it.

I think Jay's point here would be fair if I had maintained this perspective after catching up on the thread, but I didn't. See this post. I don't have anything else to say here, just wanted to correct the record.

indiglo wrote:Or #3 (the actual reason). She got tired of trying because 3J didn't listen to anything she said anyway, so decided her valuable time and energy would be better spent elsewhere.

I have other internet games I can play, after all.

MacDougall wrote:HOW DO YOU PRODUCE POSTS LIKE THAT SO FAST

MovingPictures07 wrote:Sidenote: Jay, do you still think there would be value in examining my rainbows over time? You mentioned something about it at the end of Part 1 of your ISO.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:HOW DO YOU PRODUCE POSTS LIKE THAT SO FAST

Me or Jay?

MacDougall wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:HOW DO YOU PRODUCE POSTS LIKE THAT SO FAST

Me or Jay?

Both

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Spoiler: show

Elohcin wrote:@ Quin - Yes, you found the post I was referring to.

@ Sloonei - If you are trying to read more on a person that you could be troubled about, you don't make it obvious. Duh!

The players I will be looking at today are:
Mac - simply b/c other players are finding him suspicious and I seem to be missing the hype. I need to reread him.
Lorab - b/c (no offence) I always see her playstyle as sneaky and bad and I need to decide if it's real or just my predisposition.
Quin - b/c he replaced a non-participant before replacing Glor who also said he cannot participate. I imagine a baddie would be replaced before a civ.
and
....not sure who else atm.


I agree with Lorab and Sloon about Glor. I think we ought to see more of him before we decide to boot him out with allthe RL stuff going on there.

The highlighted portion is of interest. She seemed to think Quin replaced Glorfindel and not sanmateo. Perhaps it was fake; I kind of doubt it. Based on Quin replacing in before indiglo did, Elohcin painted Quin as bad ("baddies replace before civs"), associating Quin with the Glorfindel slot. Thus, she was calling Glorfindel bad in this post with the following discrepancies at hand:

1. The premise is already dubious. There's no good reason to think a baddie had to be replaced before a townie between Quin and indiglo.
2. Quin didn't replace Glorfindel.'

I get the feeling this moment says a lot about indiglo and Glorfindel. My instinct right now is to say it looks good for Glorfindel and bad for indiglo. This isn't the first time someone has suggested that a baddie is usually a higher priority replacement, which leaves Elohcin with an opportunity to play into the fact that it went the opposite way in this game. I also think she'd be more aware of who was being replaced if it was a member of her team.

I'm feeling inspired by this little doozy. I welcome thoughts.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Mac and MP -- you both appear to suspect Glorfindel still. Do you disagree with my logic here:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Spoiler: show

Elohcin wrote:@ Quin - Yes, you found the post I was referring to.

@ Sloonei - If you are trying to read more on a person that you could be troubled about, you don't make it obvious. Duh!

The players I will be looking at today are:
Mac - simply b/c other players are finding him suspicious and I seem to be missing the hype. I need to reread him.
Lorab - b/c (no offence) I always see her playstyle as sneaky and bad and I need to decide if it's real or just my predisposition.
Quin - b/c he replaced a non-participant before replacing Glor who also said he cannot participate. I imagine a baddie would be replaced before a civ.
and
....not sure who else atm.


I agree with Lorab and Sloon about Glor. I think we ought to see more of him before we decide to boot him out with allthe RL stuff going on there.

The highlighted portion is of interest. She seemed to think Quin replaced Glorfindel and not sanmateo. Perhaps it was fake; I kind of doubt it. Based on Quin replacing in before indiglo did, Elohcin painted Quin as bad ("baddies replace before civs"), associating Quin with the Glorfindel slot. Thus, she was calling Glorfindel bad in this post with the following discrepancies at hand:

1. The premise is already dubious. There's no good reason to think a baddie had to be replaced before a townie between Quin and indiglo.
2. Quin didn't replace Glorfindel.'

I get the feeling this moment says a lot about indiglo and Glorfindel. My instinct right now is to say it looks good for Glorfindel and bad for indiglo. This isn't the first time someone has suggested that a baddie is usually a higher priority replacement, which leaves Elohcin with an opportunity to play into the fact that it went the opposite way in this game. I also think she'd be more aware of who was being replaced if it was a member of her team.

I'm feeling inspired by this little doozy. I welcome thoughts.

Elohcin wrote:And, why did you change to sanmateo or whatever. Has he/she even posted yet?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Mac and MP -- you both appear to suspect Glorfindel still. Do you disagree with my logic here:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Spoiler: show

Elohcin wrote:@ Quin - Yes, you found the post I was referring to.

@ Sloonei - If you are trying to read more on a person that you could be troubled about, you don't make it obvious. Duh!

The players I will be looking at today are:
Mac - simply b/c other players are finding him suspicious and I seem to be missing the hype. I need to reread him.
Lorab - b/c (no offence) I always see her playstyle as sneaky and bad and I need to decide if it's real or just my predisposition.
Quin - b/c he replaced a non-participant before replacing Glor who also said he cannot participate. I imagine a baddie would be replaced before a civ.
and
....not sure who else atm.


I agree with Lorab and Sloon about Glor. I think we ought to see more of him before we decide to boot him out with allthe RL stuff going on there.

The highlighted portion is of interest. She seemed to think Quin replaced Glorfindel and not sanmateo. Perhaps it was fake; I kind of doubt it. Based on Quin replacing in before indiglo did, Elohcin painted Quin as bad ("baddies replace before civs"), associating Quin with the Glorfindel slot. Thus, she was calling Glorfindel bad in this post with the following discrepancies at hand:

1. The premise is already dubious. There's no good reason to think a baddie had to be replaced before a townie between Quin and indiglo.
2. Quin didn't replace Glorfindel.'

I get the feeling this moment says a lot about indiglo and Glorfindel. My instinct right now is to say it looks good for Glorfindel and bad for indiglo. This isn't the first time someone has suggested that a baddie is usually a higher priority replacement, which leaves Elohcin with an opportunity to play into the fact that it went the opposite way in this game. I also think she'd be more aware of who was being replaced if it was a member of her team.

I'm feeling inspired by this little doozy. I welcome thoughts.

motel room wrote:

Elohcin wrote:And, why did you change to sanmateo or whatever. Has he/she even posted yet?

The "or whatever" seems fake.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

motel room wrote:

Elohcin wrote:And, why did you change to sanmateo or whatever. Has he/she even posted yet?

The "or whatever" seems fake.

I entertained the same thought briefly. It'd have to mean Quin is bad though which would be the biggest surprise flip there could be for me.

MacDougall wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Mac and MP -- you both appear to suspect Glorfindel still. Do you disagree with my logic here:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Spoiler: show

Elohcin wrote:@ Quin - Yes, you found the post I was referring to.

@ Sloonei - If you are trying to read more on a person that you could be troubled about, you don't make it obvious. Duh!

The players I will be looking at today are:
Mac - simply b/c other players are finding him suspicious and I seem to be missing the hype. I need to reread him.
Lorab - b/c (no offence) I always see her playstyle as sneaky and bad and I need to decide if it's real or just my predisposition.
Quin - b/c he replaced a non-participant before replacing Glor who also said he cannot participate. I imagine a baddie would be replaced before a civ.
and
....not sure who else atm.


I agree with Lorab and Sloon about Glor. I think we ought to see more of him before we decide to boot him out with allthe RL stuff going on there.

The highlighted portion is of interest. She seemed to think Quin replaced Glorfindel and not sanmateo. Perhaps it was fake; I kind of doubt it. Based on Quin replacing in before indiglo did, Elohcin painted Quin as bad ("baddies replace before civs"), associating Quin with the Glorfindel slot. Thus, she was calling Glorfindel bad in this post with the following discrepancies at hand:

1. The premise is already dubious. There's no good reason to think a baddie had to be replaced before a townie between Quin and indiglo.
2. Quin didn't replace Glorfindel.'

I get the feeling this moment says a lot about indiglo and Glorfindel. My instinct right now is to say it looks good for Glorfindel and bad for indiglo. This isn't the first time someone has suggested that a baddie is usually a higher priority replacement, which leaves Elohcin with an opportunity to play into the fact that it went the opposite way in this game. I also think she'd be more aware of who was being replaced if it was a member of her team.

I'm feeling inspired by this little doozy. I welcome thoughts.

I figure she was just thinking about Glofindel while writing another name.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Thanks for the response MP. My immediate reaction is to like it. I'll think about it for a while.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Sidenote: Jay, do you still think there would be value in examining my rainbows over time? You mentioned something about it at the end of Part 1 of your ISO.

It's something I've paid off-hand attention to in the midst of larger analyses. I haven't noticed any meaningful discrepancies. The only note I made before that you could talk about further is your game-long hesitance to color anyone red. Is Elohcin still the only one so far?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:HOW DO YOU PRODUCE POSTS LIKE THAT SO FAST

Me or Jay?

Both

Being town helps.

I have a system though. The physical task of compiling the ISO analysis is easier than some might assume, just because of how I use my tabs, hotkeys, and key words.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Mac and MP -- you both appear to suspect Glorfindel still. Do you disagree with my logic here:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Spoiler: show

Elohcin wrote:@ Quin - Yes, you found the post I was referring to.

@ Sloonei - If you are trying to read more on a person that you could be troubled about, you don't make it obvious. Duh!

The players I will be looking at today are:
Mac - simply b/c other players are finding him suspicious and I seem to be missing the hype. I need to reread him.
Lorab - b/c (no offence) I always see her playstyle as sneaky and bad and I need to decide if it's real or just my predisposition.
Quin - b/c he replaced a non-participant before replacing Glor who also said he cannot participate. I imagine a baddie would be replaced before a civ.
and
....not sure who else atm.


I agree with Lorab and Sloon about Glor. I think we ought to see more of him before we decide to boot him out with allthe RL stuff going on there.

The highlighted portion is of interest. She seemed to think Quin replaced Glorfindel and not sanmateo. Perhaps it was fake; I kind of doubt it. Based on Quin replacing in before indiglo did, Elohcin painted Quin as bad ("baddies replace before civs"), associating Quin with the Glorfindel slot. Thus, she was calling Glorfindel bad in this post with the following discrepancies at hand:

1. The premise is already dubious. There's no good reason to think a baddie had to be replaced before a townie between Quin and indiglo.
2. Quin didn't replace Glorfindel.'

I get the feeling this moment says a lot about indiglo and Glorfindel. My instinct right now is to say it looks good for Glorfindel and bad for indiglo. This isn't the first time someone has suggested that a baddie is usually a higher priority replacement, which leaves Elohcin with an opportunity to play into the fact that it went the opposite way in this game. I also think she'd be more aware of who was being replaced if it was a member of her team.

I'm feeling inspired by this little doozy. I welcome thoughts.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It's a good thing Wilgy is confirmed bad. Makes the lynch decision today easy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dom wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

LoRab wrote:@jjj: to answer your query about your first point, I agree. I also think it makes it highly unlikely that Elo had BTSC with glorf. Or Quin for that matter.

Do you feel there's anything to be said from that about indiglo, the other replacement?

Can you spell out what you mean here?

Elohcin said she thought a baddie would be replaced before a townie by priority, which she used against Quin since he replaced in first.

I wonder if Elohcin thought to say this because indiglo was the actual baddie replacement and she came second -- against Eloh's expectations.

indiglo wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
I can understand why she might look town at face value. Her frustration appears genuine. I have to decide which of these it is:

1. She's town, and she would rather catch up with the game than deal with accusations.

2. She's bad, and she feels like she's being caught for stupid reasons.

#2 is one of the best scumtells in the game of Mafia, so I won't discard it without a good reason.

Or #3 (the actual reason). She got tired of trying because 3J didn't listen to anything she said anyway, so decided her valuable time and energy would be better spent elsewhere.

I have other internet games I can play, after all.

MacDougall wrote:HOW DO YOU PRODUCE POSTS LIKE THAT SO FAST

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:HOW DO YOU PRODUCE POSTS LIKE THAT SO FAST

Me or Jay?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It's a good thing Wilgy is confirmed bad. Makes the lynch decision today easy.

?!?!!?!?!