The Syndicate

Wilgy has moved his vote back to himself, which I think is just a neutral resting point. If you're trying to say "you messed up my answers" then vote me instead, Doc.

sprityo wrote:Immortal_Raven

what did you do last night?

I went to church for Holy Week, then to Chic-Fil-A, then home. Put my kids to bed, hung out with my wife, took a shower, read a book, went to sleep.

In game, well I did target you.


Here's one thought. I know we had some discrepancy yesterday with silencing. Has anyone but Wilgy not checked in yet?

Long Con wrote:Wilgy has moved his vote back to himself, which I think is just a neutral resting point. If you're trying to say "you messed up my answers" then vote me instead, Doc.

OKAY, Wilgy has voted me, indicating that I messed up his answers somehow.

Wilgy: adam-yes, Nifty-no

Did I mess up the big multiple choice one about why you suspect S~V~S?

sprityo, do you suspect Raven, or do you believe Raven is Civ, following the targeting of you last night?

Raven, what do you think his answer will be?

Taking that to mean Wigly is not after SVS at all.

Immortal_Raven wrote:

sprityo wrote:Immortal_Raven

what did you do last night?

I went to church for Holy Week, then to Chic-Fil-A, then home. Put my kids to bed, hung out with my wife, took a shower, read a book, went to sleep.

In game, well I did target you.


Here's one thought. I know we had some discrepancy yesterday with silencing. Has anyone but Wilgy not checked in yet?

Silver wasn't online at all and didn't vote. I was online the whole time and did.

Wigly isn't faking cause Wigly wouldn't do that. Silver might have been faking or actually silenced or just not around.

Ok, his vote is on Jack now. Perhaps that means he has info on S~V~S?
Wilgy: adam-yes, Nifty-no... do you have info that S~V~S is bad?

That would be a lie if he says he does. And after I tried to help him last night

I mean, if we're supposed to role claim I will if I have to.

And Jack, if I think you are bad, why wouldn't I keep voting for you?

So wilgy doesn't have info on SVS

CaptainNifty wrote:So wilgy doesn't have info on SVS

Not that I am bad, no. I did target him last night, so he might know that. But i did not do anything bad to him, it was actually good. I did not silence him. I helped him at the end of the day.

S~V~S wrote:I mean, if we're supposed to role claim I will if I have to.

And Jack, if I think you are bad, why wouldn't I keep voting for you?

I don't think you think I'm bad.

I was instrumental in lynching one member of each mafia. You've refused to say why you think I'm bad.

I think you're just lying.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I mean, if we're supposed to role claim I will if I have to.

And Jack, if I think you are bad, why wouldn't I keep voting for you?

I don't think you think I'm bad.

I was instrumental in lynching one member of each mafia. You've refused to say why you think I'm bad.

I think you're just lying.

I do think you are bad, and I am not lying.

Exciting! Role claims are juicy for sure.

Wilgy answered Nifty-no to the info question though, so I dunno. I'm actually done for now, I have to go and get dressed and do farm chores and start being productive. I hope someone else can engage with Wilgy and get some answers. Not at the expense of regular thread conversation, of course. Doesn't have to be Wilgy Day.

Long Con wrote:Exciting! Role claims are juicy for sure.

Wilgy answered Nifty-no to the info question though, so I dunno. I'm actually done for now, I have to go and get dressed and do farm chores and start being productive. I hope someone else can engage with Wilgy and get some answers. Not at the expense of regular thread conversation, of course. Doesn't have to be Wilgy Day.

Well, that would be the only reason I could think for him having a negative opinion of me. I did in fact target Wilgy last night. But it was not harmful or silencing or anything of a bad nature.

S~V~S wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I mean, if we're supposed to role claim I will if I have to.

And Jack, if I think you are bad, why wouldn't I keep voting for you?

I don't think you think I'm bad.

I was instrumental in lynching one member of each mafia. You've refused to say why you think I'm bad.

I think you're just lying.

I do think you are bad, and I am not lying.

/unconvinced

To what end do you continue your ill defined solo crusade against me if you are town?

I can't think of a reason.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:I was instrumental in lynching one member of each mafia. You've refused to say why you think I'm bad.

My memory sucks. Can you concisely demonstrate how you were instrumental in these lynches? Bonus points if you can show valid reasons why it wasn't a bus of a teammate.

S~V~S wrote:I did in fact target Wilgy last night. But it was not harmful or silencing or anything of a bad nature.

AAAAUGH, so juicy! With a dash of hintclaim, my favourite.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I mean, if we're supposed to role claim I will if I have to.

And Jack, if I think you are bad, why wouldn't I keep voting for you?

I don't think you think I'm bad.

I was instrumental in lynching one member of each mafia. You've refused to say why you think I'm bad.

I think you're just lying.

I do think you are bad, and I am not lying.

/unconvinced

To what end do you continue your ill defined solo crusade against me if you are town?

I can't think of a reason.

BECAUSE I THINK YOU ARE BAD

And almost everyone else has said they think you are too at one point or another. So why are you still here?

Ah Wilgy has now voted for IR ... who voted for the Host option?

S~V~S wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I mean, if we're supposed to role claim I will if I have to.

And Jack, if I think you are bad, why wouldn't I keep voting for you?

I don't think you think I'm bad.

I was instrumental in lynching one member of each mafia. You've refused to say why you think I'm bad.

I think you're just lying.

I do think you are bad, and I am not lying.

/unconvinced

To what end do you continue your ill defined solo crusade against me if you are town?

I can't think of a reason.

BECAUSE I THINK YOU ARE BAD

And almost everyone else has said they think you are too at one point or another. So why are you still here?

Cause I'm too suspicious to kill, too fucking good to lynch.

That might be the answer.

There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.

Typed out a response to LC but you know what? I'm gonna save it to my notes app. I'm not getting lynched today and I don't need to argue myself into getting nightkilled.

@SVS

Do you think "I think you are bad because I think you are bad" is a valid line of reasoning to lynch someone? If a player spent three days trying to lynch another player saying "I think they are bad because I think they are bad" while ignoring most everyone else in the game, would you think they are good or bad? Do you think appeals to common belief result in true conclusions?

Additional @SVS

What do you make of Dizzy? What do you make of Dizzy if you pretend to know I am town?

I said it days ago why I thought you were bad, and nothing has changed. I still think you are bad. LOTS of people seem to think you are bad, but you are still here, as I say. This is how I play. Something catches my eye, I watch that person, (or person since I felt the same about Silver), say my piece and occasionally poke them with a stick. I have nothing new to add.

I have thought you were bad from the get go, and still do.

My main point here is that I would like everyone ELSE to reexamine their thoughts on you, since in reading back, pretty mcuh everyone alive has suspected you at some point, and both the night one and two NKs suspected you ALOT.

So everyone, reexamine your thoughts on Jack. He bad.

Linki~ What does "pretend to know I am town" mean in this context? I am conflicted on Dizzy. I thought her voting pattern yesterday was a bad look for her yesterday. I also found it intriguing that her gif quotient was low until someone brought it up.

But since I believe that the major function of bad teams is WIFOM, I won't discount anything based on the actions of others.

In any case, I have no intention on getting into a back and forth on it with you. Read my posts. It's there.

You No U-ing me and retaliation voting for me when you have no case other than "Wah, she's tunnelling me" is not helping you.

@SVS

Have it your way.

Lynching uncooperative Silver with his bullshit nonarguments and nonhunting worked out great. Lynching uncooperative Epi, Dizzy and SVS looks fine to me.

Ya'll are dead in the water anyway with four, maybe five confirmed townies.

Long Con wrote:Wilgy: why S~V~S?
Nifty - Because she's after Jack
DrWilgy - YOU GUYS MESSED UP ONE OF MY ANSWERS!!
Epi - There's evidence she's a Reaper
Fred - There's evidence she's Cerberus
I_R - I just have a gut feeling, that's all
Jack - Because I have info on her
LC - I don't like this cool communication game
MP07 - It's S~V~S' voting patterns
S~V~S - It's about who S~V~S isn't talking about
sprit - she's too smelly
TonyStarkPrime - none of the above

What are these words next to my name?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@SVS

Have it your way.

Lynching uncooperative Silver with his bullshit nonarguments and nonhunting worked out great. Lynching uncooperative Epi, Dizzy and SVS looks fine to me.

Ya'll are dead in the water anyway with four, maybe five confirmed townies.

How am I uncooperative other than in my desire to lynch you? I am helping the town at night, and I am trying to play a fair game, which is a town attribute, like in not desiring to lynch you yesterday when it appeared you may have been silenced. Town does not all have to act the same and still be town.

What is your case on Dizzy? I will go read back on your posts. I wonder if you see the same thing I see.

I plan to vote for you and ask others to review their thoughts on you every day, since I have seen nothing to change my mind about you being bad.

sprityo wrote:

Long Con wrote:Wilgy: why S~V~S?
Nifty - Because she's after Jack
DrWilgy - YOU GUYS MESSED UP ONE OF MY ANSWERS!!
Epi - There's evidence she's a Reaper
Fred - There's evidence she's Cerberus
I_R - I just have a gut feeling, that's all
Jack - Because I have info on her
LC - I don't like this cool communication game
MP07 - It's S~V~S' voting patterns
S~V~S - It's about who S~V~S isn't talking about
sprit - she's too smelly
TonyStarkPrime - none of the above

What are these words next to my name?

LC is trying to get Wilgy to say he suspects me by him moving my vote around from person to person. LC lost interest in this endeavor when I showed up and said why I thought Wilgy may have voted for me.

~Moving *HIS* vote around.~

*fixed

Show of hands. Anyone not helping the town at night?

Okay, good. We must all be town, then.

sprityo wrote:

Long Con wrote:Wilgy: why S~V~S?
Nifty - Because she's after Jack
DrWilgy - YOU GUYS MESSED UP ONE OF MY ANSWERS!!
Epi - There's evidence she's a Reaper
Fred - There's evidence she's Cerberus
I_R - I just have a gut feeling, that's all
Jack - Because I have info on her
LC - I don't like this cool communication game
MP07 - It's S~V~S' voting patterns
S~V~S - It's about who S~V~S isn't talking about
sprit - she's too smelly
TonyStarkPrime - none of the above

What are these words next to my name?

It's... not what it looks like, sprit.

S~V~S wrote:LC is trying to get Wilgy to say he suspects me by him moving his vote around from person to person. LC lost interest in this endeavor when I showed up and said why I thought Wilgy may have voted for me.

Dude! What?

1. I wasn't "trying to get Wilgy to say he suspects you". Wilgy already said he suspects you, and I was trying to discern why.
2. I lost interest in the endeavour when I got frustrated at some seeming miscommunication. I was also becoming slightly suspicious that Wilgy was just messing with me. Plus I had some RL business to attend to.

You are making this stuff way more about you than it was. The only reason you were involved was because Wilgy involved you, but your post here sounds like you think I was pushing your lynch. What's the deal?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@SVS

Have it your way.

Lynching uncooperative Silver with his bullshit nonarguments and nonhunting worked out great. Lynching uncooperative Epi, Dizzy and SVS looks fine to me.

Ya'll are dead in the water anyway with four, maybe five confirmed townies.

Nice, can I be one of them? I'll be number maybe 5 even!

I assume fredwood and Nifty are two. I think that's been public enough, although it will take confirmation from one more player for me to fully believe Nifty. Off the top of my head I don't know any others, but I'm not always good at spotting that kind of thing. I'm not advocating that you tell your list or anything. But I like your optimism!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Show of hands. Anyone not helping the town at night?

Okay, good. We must all be town, then.

Too much optimism.

So until immortal raven answers my question, my vote is on him, but if his answer proves sufficient I'm all for the Epi lynch

S~V~S wrote: I am conflicted on Dizzy. I thought her voting pattern yesterday was a bad look for her yesterday. I also found it intriguing that her gif quotient was low until someone brought it up.

DID someone bring it up? That's what I was referencing here...

Long Con wrote:Happy birthday, Dizzy. Maybe I'm just paranoid, but Jack's post gave me a "distancing" feel. It's not actually based on anything but that post, and your incredulity about it makes me doubt it a little. But, hey, "Mafia"...amirite? Any deception is possible. There is something else I noticed about your latest posts, but I'm a-keepin' it under wraps for now.

... that's what I noticed. I did not notice someone bring it up though. Maybe I told you in our baddie BTSC? KIDDING!

But, in all seriousness, I did look back over my Jack suspicions, and:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Typed out a response to LC but you know what? I'm gonna save it to my notes app. I'm not getting lynched today and I don't need to argue myself into getting nightkilled.

This was not inspirational to me.

I believe Jack is probably bad. You can go through my posts to the several times I mentioned some suspicion if you like. Looking at them all together just made me go with trusting my gut. My gut has been not too bad lately.

My vote is on Epignosis right now, and I'd vote Wilgy even though he's silenced because I'm badass like that... but if those guys squirm away this lynch, you can count on my Jack vote.

Long Con wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@SVS

Have it your way.

Lynching uncooperative Silver with his bullshit nonarguments and nonhunting worked out great. Lynching uncooperative Epi, Dizzy and SVS looks fine to me.

Ya'll are dead in the water anyway with four, maybe five confirmed townies.

Nice, can I be one of them? I'll be number maybe 5 even!

I assume fredwood and Nifty are two. I think that's been public enough, although it will take confirmation from one more player for me to fully believe Nifty. Off the top of my head I don't know any others, but I'm not always good at spotting that kind of thing. I'm not advocating that you tell your list or anything. But I like your optimism!

Nifty's the maybe. I think you're good but we're running out of chairs. Luckily, three of your opponents are drunk and a few don't seem to be concerned about being left standing when the music ends.

ISOing Silver.

More funny stuff than useful stuff.

Silver Lantern wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Silver Lantern wrote:I just read the Geth Role. Frankly, I don't have an issue with him. I think that the fact that he claimed obviously means he plans to side with the Alliance.

I got some swampland in Florida to sell you.

Lol Silver = Reaver

If I were Mafia Jack, you wouldn't have lived past N1.

You don't know how sad it makes me that I'm not the vig...

Epignosis wrote:I've assigned everyone alive a score and a rank.

DrWilgy = Hard 3
Fredwood = Hard 2
nutella = Hard 2
Dyslexicon = Soft 2
Adam = Hard 1
Jackofhearts2005 = Hard 1
CaptainNifty = Soft 1
sprityo = Softer 1
Immortal_Raven = Soft 0
MovingPictures07 = Soft 0
TonyStarkPrime = Softer 0
S~V~S = Softest 0
Long Con = Soft -1

Don't know what Hard and Soft are, the number is how many confirmed maf they have voted for.

Hmmm... this isn't working well. New question.

Wilgy, who do you disagree with?

S'not. I'd be 2. LC wouldn't be -1.
Maybe known mafia votes - known town votes?

I don't really care. If he's good, there's no reason to beat around the bush about it.



Silver ISO was an absolute bust. He talked to LC once and discussed/talked to no other players whose alignments I don't already know.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:S'not. I'd be 2. LC wouldn't be -1.
Maybe known mafia votes - known town votes?

I don't really care. If he's good, there's no reason to beat around the bush about it.

Silver ISO was an absolute bust. He talked to LC once and discussed/talked to no other players whose alignments I don't already know.

Oh yeah, probably that. Subtract one from all the Llama voters.

TonyStarkPrime wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:S'not. I'd be 2. LC wouldn't be -1.
Maybe known mafia votes - known town votes?

I don't really care. If he's good, there's no reason to beat around the bush about it.

Silver ISO was an absolute bust. He talked to LC once and discussed/talked to no other players whose alignments I don't already know.

Oh yeah, probably that. Subtract one from all the Llama voters.

And all the voters who voted for someone who has since died.

Long Con wrote:

S~V~S wrote: I am conflicted on Dizzy. I thought her voting pattern yesterday was a bad look for her yesterday. I also found it intriguing that her gif quotient was low until someone brought it up.

DID someone bring it up? That's what I was referencing here...

Long Con wrote:Happy birthday, Dizzy. Maybe I'm just paranoid, but Jack's post gave me a "distancing" feel. It's not actually based on anything but that post, and your incredulity about it makes me doubt it a little. But, hey, "Mafia"...amirite? Any deception is possible. There is something else I noticed about your latest posts, but I'm a-keepin' it under wraps for now.

... that's what I noticed. I did not notice someone bring it up though. Maybe I told you in our baddie BTSC? KIDDING!

But, in all seriousness, I did look back over my Jack suspicions, and:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Typed out a response to LC but you know what? I'm gonna save it to my notes app. I'm not getting lynched today and I don't need to argue myself into getting nightkilled.

This was not inspirational to me.

I believe Jack is probably bad. You can go through my posts to the several times I mentioned some suspicion if you like. Looking at them all together just made me go with trusting my gut. My gut has been not too bad lately.

My vote is on Epignosis right now, and I'd vote Wilgy even though he's silenced because I'm badass like that... but if those guys squirm away this lynch, you can count on my Jack vote.

Someone put in their "everyones meta on day one" post that Dizzy liked cat gifs. At some point, I asked if that had any bearing on her alignment. Someone else may have, too, I don't recall. There was some discussion that it was not alignment indicative, and then she started posting more with them. If someone mentioned it again I am not aware of it.

And, yeah, LOTS of people have said at some time that they think he is bad, but meh. So this is a big part of the reason I keep coming in all drama like and voting for him. Almost everyone has said they think he could be bad, but nobody seems to care, lol.

And I assume Wilgy has voted me again as part of a signalling plan. @Wilgy, I am not sure if my target is told what I did, I would think not. So I did not say, preferring not to total claim, just saying that I did a positive thing for you. I would rather not just full claim if avoidable.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Err alignment indicative.

There used to be someone who played here, Kate, who retired from Mafia. She could ALWAYS pull me out of a hat when bad. When she finally told me why, it was pretty basic. It was smilies and typos. When I was civ, I just typed and posted to get my thoughts out into the thread. When I was bad, I crafted that post. I proofed it and I put the approporiate smilies in the appropriate places.

She said she did not have to even read what I said, she just saw all the smilies and she knew.

So things like that can be alignment indicative. They aren't always for everyone, or even for most people. but they can be for some people.

True.

I should say I expect gifs from Dizzy are not alignment indicative. I've never played with scum Dizzy, though, so take that with a grain of salt.

Here is part of that conversation from Day two, I had forgotten it was with Jack

Someone else was involved in it as well, Fredwood.

...I said I put as much stock in the lack of gif theory as the Jack is buddying, he must be mafia theory.

I made a joke in passing about gifs and people jumped on it.

Frankly I'm willing to say Nut is about the only person I trust as not mafia. If she's mafia then she is the worst scumpartner of all time. I also don't think Independent Nut is willing to vouch for Nifty...Is she's not vouching for Nifty she should say so, because as of now Nifty is likely Anderson. To further this, if Nut is scum and is so willing to preemptively bus her teammates, there's no way she vouches Nifty.

As to Jack, it's stupid to keep pushing for his lynch. He's survived because he serves a purpose to both town and scum. Day 2 was your best chance to lynch him, see how well that worked out. Now he's definitely not a Reaper, and the likelyhood that he is Cerberus is an outside possibility, but not something I'm willing to pursue further at this point. I never really suspected jack, I've stated there was too much self-preservation opportunism to his game, and that if he was going to be a continuing distraction, it was best to nip it in the bud early. The only person that really pushed the self-preservation opportunism thing was Silver, so it really wasn't a valid concern.


To me the following people are null to bad reads that can be both Reaper or Cerberus:
TSP
SVS
MP
IR

These are the people I'd like more information on. I can forgive some inactivity, but we're at Day 4 and the fact that they haven't strongly distanced themselves from one faction or the other, and that I still have almost no read on them needs to change. Really tired of arguing the possible innocence or guilt of the same players over and over.

Why am I a null to bad read? Why does someone have to distance themselves from a faction to be good?

And I am sorry you are tired of it, but I think he is bad and so I plan on continuing to bring it up.

And he's not getting lynched today.

Why are you not a null to bad read? What have you done other then suspect people who are either cleared, or likely cleared?

And really...it's process of elimination...don't act like it's not a valid thing to pursue, that's the wrong tact to take. You've done nothing harmful to either side, and there's nothing you've done pro-town. While it doesn't mean scum, it also means I can't clear you either.

RIght now there are 4 people that I'm comfortable with, Jack isn't in that list, but he's pretty close to it, you're no where near it. You constantly saying he's Bad, with no real argument other then He's bad...other people think so too, isn't really helping your case TBH.

@Fred

I'm pretty sure this is her vouching for me.

nutella wrote:

CaptainNifty wrote:

nutella wrote:Cool no death!

Now I need to sort out my thoughts for this lynch Several players I'm iffy on (Nifty, Wilgy, Jack, SVS) but nothing really confident.

Really, you're iffy on me after what I did for you?

Not anymore.

Yes, I caught that, which is why you're one of the 4 I feel comfortable with.