Pikachu Tribe - Day 9

[DharmaHelper]

Where did this conversation take place?

Facebook Messenger chat

you were in a fb group chat with mp, juliets, and golden. k.

like.... for mod stuff? any other mods in it? :S

[VOTE: long con] aubergine

I feel like that was a "fuck you" answer and not an answer answer.

[DharmaHelper]

anyway [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

[Long Con]

I don't think for a second that any of you are planning on having an open mind about this. I'm sorry, but it's the truth. We (and MP07) were chatting about some not-specifically-Champions-game forum stuff and juliets came up with 'Pikachu' as a Tribe name, and said it to Golden and we came up with the other one. It's ridiculous for you to call that "revealing game secrets" when every single player finds out about the Tribe system the moment the game starts.

I just can't be bothered to waste my time talking about it; I came back last time and I was already tried and convicted because I didn't lie about how I knew the name. I don't even know why I'm posting this.

If that is the truth I feel bad for you. Not bad enough not to vote for you unless you come with the fire and bring a new suspect, but still bad.

What's wrong with the suspects I brought before? Meaning Dom. Dom revealed too much because he knew that Cerberus was the tribe's actual name. I'm also still supportive of a DDL lynch. I don't think we should lynch Quin, speedchuck, S~V~S... not as sure about you DH, but you look pretty good in that outfit.... nutella is a possible baddie, as is Epignosis, and also sprityo. Dom and DDL are my top picks. We should lynch bob on Day 6.

[Long Con]

Where did this conversation take place?

Facebook Messenger chat

you were in a fb group chat with mp, juliets, and golden. k.

like.... for mod stuff? any other mods in it? :S

[VOTE: long con] aubergine

We are Facebook friends. We talk about regular stuff not related to The Syndicate semi-regularly.

I agree, there's definitely a "Fuck you" going on here. I can feel it.

[DharmaHelper]

It's unfortunate LC but I don't see a way out for you bud. Even if you could convince me, I doubt you'd be able to convince literally anyone else. I agree with you that Dom looks bad. I'd have to revisit DDL but I've never felt great about him as a civ. SVS I am making a conscious effort not to read. I'm dead even on everyone else.

I dunno what to tell you friendo.

Either you fucked up and came up with a completely unbelievable lie to cover for it, or you fucked up and got screwed by an unbelievable truth.


Let this be a lesson, don't talk shop with players/hosts over Facebook messenger.

[Long Con]

You're really pushing this "unbelievable" notion, aren't you?

Your sympathetic talk is a sham, I can see it now - you want me to be lynched. There's nothing "unbelievable" about me talking on Facebook to old friends. I talk to Lorab all the time. And Freckles and bea, though they're not around so much for Mafia anymore. And fucking S~V~S. And yes, Golden, juliets, MP. Epi and Elohcin are also Facebook friends.

You want to push this "unbelievable" angle while floating safely on your wishy-washy raft. You're bad.

[speedchuck]

[VOTE: Dom] aubergine

[DharmaHelper]

You're really pushing this "unbelievable" notion, aren't you?

Your sympathetic talk is a sham, I can see it now - you want me to be lynched. There's nothing "unbelievable" about me talking on Facebook to old friends. I talk to Lorab all the time. And Freckles and bea, though they're not around so much for Mafia anymore. And fucking S~V~S. And yes, Golden, juliets, MP. Epi and Elohcin are also Facebook friends.

You want to push this "unbelievable" angle while floating safely on your wishy-washy raft. You're bad.

No sir, I genuinely do find it unbelievable that JC and Golden would share details of the game with you over just idle chit chat. They had to be reminded that I was even able to sign up. If you're telling the truth and they just casually discussed "Oh hey by the way for GoC we're doing a tribes thing for the first couple of days or so and here are the tribe names what do you think?" Then that's as much on them as anything else. If its true, it's unbelievably bad luck and poor form. If it's a lie, its not a very good one.

I still maintain Dom is bad because he noticed it. People who are calling you bad and saying "Hey Dom great catch no way I would have known that or caught it" should also be saying "Hey Dom hold on a second what made you call that out?"

[Epignosis]

I don't have a Facebook account.

[Dom]

I don't think for a second that any of you are planning on having an open mind about this. I'm sorry, but it's the truth. We (and MP07) were chatting about some not-specifically-Champions-game forum stuff and juliets came up with 'Pikachu' as a Tribe name, and said it to Golden and we came up with the other one. It's ridiculous for you to call that "revealing game secrets" when every single player finds out about the Tribe system the moment the game starts.

I just can't be bothered to waste my time talking about it; I came back last time and I was already tried and convicted because I didn't lie about how I knew the name. I don't even know why I'm posting this.

If that is the truth I feel bad for you. Not bad enough not to vote for you unless you come with the fire and bring a new suspect, but still bad.

What's wrong with the suspects I brought before? Meaning Dom. Dom revealed too much because he knew that Cerberus was the tribe's actual name. I'm also still supportive of a DDL lynch. I don't think we should lynch Quin, speedchuck, S~V~S... not as sure about you DH, but you look pretty good in that outfit.... nutella is a possible baddie, as is Epignosis, and also sprityo. Dom and DDL are my top picks. We should lynch bob on Day 6.

I didn't know that Cerberus was the other tribe's name.

You did.

I just said, "How do you know that?"
That doesn't imply my own personal knowledge. It implies that I made an inference of your knowledge based on your words.

I don't know if this conversation happened, but your role was almost certainly bad.

Sorry, LC. Sucks.

[VOTE: Dom] aubergine

This is just sad.

[Long Con]

Right, just Elo. Look at me lie.

[Long Con]

[VOTE: Dom] aubergine

[Dom]

You're really pushing this "unbelievable" notion, aren't you?

Your sympathetic talk is a sham, I can see it now - you want me to be lynched. There's nothing "unbelievable" about me talking on Facebook to old friends. I talk to Lorab all the time. And Freckles and bea, though they're not around so much for Mafia anymore. And fucking S~V~S. And yes, Golden, juliets, MP. Epi and Elohcin are also Facebook friends.

You want to push this "unbelievable" angle while floating safely on your wishy-washy raft. You're bad.

No sir, I genuinely do find it unbelievable that JC and Golden would share details of the game with you over just idle chit chat. They had to be reminded that I was even able to sign up. If you're telling the truth and they just casually discussed "Oh hey by the way for GoC we're doing a tribes thing for the first couple of days or so and here are the tribe names what do you think?" Then that's as much on them as anything else. If its true, it's unbelievably bad luck and poor form. If it's a lie, its not a very good one.

I still maintain Dom is bad because he noticed it. People who are calling you bad and saying "Hey Dom great catch no way I would have known that or caught it" should also be saying "Hey Dom hold on a second what made you call that out?"

"Dom is bad because he caught LC in a huge slip"

Dom could be bad. (Isn't) but this logic is so ridiculously bad.

[Dom]

Lowkey-- this conversation might have happened, which extra sucks for LC, but he's so clearly and obviously bad.

[DharmaHelper]

You're really pushing this "unbelievable" notion, aren't you?

Your sympathetic talk is a sham, I can see it now - you want me to be lynched. There's nothing "unbelievable" about me talking on Facebook to old friends. I talk to Lorab all the time. And Freckles and bea, though they're not around so much for Mafia anymore. And fucking S~V~S. And yes, Golden, juliets, MP. Epi and Elohcin are also Facebook friends.

You want to push this "unbelievable" angle while floating safely on your wishy-washy raft. You're bad.

No sir, I genuinely do find it unbelievable that JC and Golden would share details of the game with you over just idle chit chat. They had to be reminded that I was even able to sign up. If you're telling the truth and they just casually discussed "Oh hey by the way for GoC we're doing a tribes thing for the first couple of days or so and here are the tribe names what do you think?" Then that's as much on them as anything else. If its true, it's unbelievably bad luck and poor form. If it's a lie, its not a very good one.

I still maintain Dom is bad because he noticed it. People who are calling you bad and saying "Hey Dom great catch no way I would have known that or caught it" should also be saying "Hey Dom hold on a second what made you call that out?"

"Dom is bad because he caught LC in a huge slip"

Dom could be bad. (Isn't) but this logic is so ridiculously bad.

I'll give you this, that's a better defense than "The hosts told me. Fuck you. Over Facebook. You're Bad!"

[speedchuck]

[mention]Long Con[/mention] If you are town, and Dom is scum, who is the other scumperson?

[DharmaHelper]

Lowkey-- this conversation might have happened, which extra sucks for LC, but he's so clearly and obviously bad.

That's all I'm sayin'

[Dom]

@Long Con If you are town, and Dom is scum, who is the other scumperson?

This wording is weird.

[Long Con]

@Long Con If you are town, and Dom is scum, who is the other scumperson?

Why do you think there is just one other scum person?

[S~V~S]

Fucking SVS would also like to know this.

[sprityo]

@Long Con If you are town, and Dom is scum, who is the other scumperson?

Why do you think there is just one other scum person?

If there’s twin teams I could see it being split 2-2 per tribe

4 total in two team, 8 players scum 15 players town. That would be a weird balance. I think a more believable ratio is one scum team of 5-6 players. Cause that’s rounds out to a about 1/4 of players scum. This of course isn’t taking into account the two live system

[DharmaHelper]

Got another one!

[sprityo]

Got another one!

Got another what?

[Long Con]

If speedchuck is bad, then there must have been some other vote manipulation going on, because he and Quin are supposed to be cleared by me.

[Dom]

I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well.



Oh, is LC bad for pointing out that? [mention]DharmaHelper[/mention]

(he's bad for other reasons, sure)

[sprityo]

If DH is implying I’m “bad” because I’m trying to toss my two cents in, he’s reaching

[speedchuck]

Got another one!

Got another what?

Scumslip from me, apparently, with my wording.

Guys, Golden came down to Alabama and asked me how many scum should be in each tribe, I swear. In person. Then we went cow-tipping, but I had one fall on me, and had to go to the hospital. I'm pretty sure he gave me the doctor role as a joke.

[DharmaHelper]

Got another one!

This was a joke. Much like this entire day phase.

[S~V~S]

If speedchuck is bad, then there must have been some other vote manipulation going on, because he and Quin are supposed to be cleared by me.

As cleared as someone can be in a closed set up with these bizarre mechanics and no one knows who if anyone has even been NKed. Which is to say, no, he isn't.

No one is cleared at all since there aren't even any dead people! It's probable, but not definite. Nothing is definite.

Fucking SVS is going back to work, my chances of saying anything reasonable at this point is low.

[sprityo]

Got another one!

This was a joke. Much like this entire day phase.

“Joke” mhmmmmm

[speedchuck]

This is funny. I'm funny.

[Long Con]

I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well.

Spoiler: show

OH REALLY? Are you saying that because you and DDL are Mafia teammates, so you know that his vote manipulation doesn't count as the Civ option?

[Long Con]

I also just want to take this opportunity to say that, when I said "Fucking S~V~S", that wasn't a slight against her in any way. I was going through my mind on which Facebook friends were also Mafia friends to use as examples and putting them down as I thought of them. When I thought of her, it was like "oh yeah, she's in the fucking game right here with me, she can corroborate, she is like the first example I should have given!"

[Dom]

I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well.

Spoiler: show

OH REALLY? Are you saying that because you and DDL are Mafia teammates, so you know that his vote manipulation doesn't count as the Civ option?

lol
no

[Dom]

Typically, when a careful host, such as yourself, designs a game, there is a sense of balance to the game.

[Long Con]

Typically, when a careful host, such as yourself, designs a game, there is a sense of balance to the game.

OH, do go on. So you mean it makes sense to also have a civilian vote manipulator in play. I wonder who that is in this tribe?

[Dom]

Your role doesn't make any sense as a civilian role.


I have no idea who it would be.

[Long Con]

[DharmaHelper]

Well, if four other people wanted to vote for Dom with Chuck, LC, and me, we could sort this shit out quick fast and in a hurry. Nobody "dies" dies, and we get an idea of whether or not Dom is on the up and up. LC's on his last life so he can go at any point.

Or we can keep our votes on LC and possibly lose a civ as our first death-death.

Dunno ...

[Dom]

That's literally the worst idea I've ever heard of

[Dom]

"Let's make LC more powerful!"

[speedchuck]

"Let's make LC more powerful!"

Evolve =/= reincarnation. That role is gone. Or so I believe, at least. Even if it is still here, as others pointed out, it's not THAT overpowered.

Your role doesn't make any sense as a civilian role.

I'm pretty sure that it's supposed to be ambiguous. That's the whole point of the game.

This is such a mess.

What about alignment changes? Town with BTSC? Etc, etc. People jumped through all sorts of loops earlier on in the game regarding my alignment, and now they're taking the easiest possible stance on LC. It has a freaking BAD feel to it.

[Long Con]

If I were town with btsc or if I were mafia with btsc I wouldn't be able to even remotely acknowledge that due to info dumping rules.

[Dom]

People jumped through hoops for you to not receive votes since...... you were lynched.

[DharmaHelper]

"Let's make LC more powerful!"

Evolve =/= reincarnation. That role is gone. Or so I believe, at least. Even if it is still here, as others pointed out, it's not THAT overpowered.

Your role doesn't make any sense as a civilian role.

I'm pretty sure that it's supposed to be ambiguous. That's the whole point of the game.

This is such a mess.

What about alignment changes? Town with BTSC? Etc, etc. People jumped through all sorts of loops earlier on in the game regarding my alignment, and now they're taking the easiest possible stance on LC. It has a freaking BAD feel to it.

This is a mess

[S~V~S]

"Let's make LC more powerful!"

Evolve =/= reincarnation. That role is gone. Or so I believe, at least. Even if it is still here, as others pointed out, it's not THAT overpowered.

Your role doesn't make any sense as a civilian role.

I'm pretty sure that it's supposed to be ambiguous. That's the whole point of the game.

This is such a mess.

What about alignment changes? Town with BTSC? Etc, etc. People jumped through all sorts of loops earlier on in the game regarding my alignment, and now they're taking the easiest possible stance on LC. It has a freaking BAD feel to it.

This is a mess

No it isn't.

[DharmaHelper]

I could try to unfuck this Fucktastrophy or I could get in line and lynch LC based on an incredibly fucked up premise. The Gordian Knot of fuckery.

[S~V~S]

I could try to unfuck this Fucktastrophy or I could get in line and lynch LC based on an incredibly fucked up premise. The Gordian Knot of fuckery.

It is not all that fucked up. Not sure why you are saying it is.

[Dom]

"Fucked up premise" = He knew something someone without BTSC wouldn't know and his role seems pretty evil.


If LC's story is true, that sucks. I feel bad for him, but he's still bad.

[Long Con]

You already lynched me. Go bug someone else for a phase, holy crap.