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idk you seem like a normally chill dude. Like your default mode is chill.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:01 pmWhat gives you the idea that town-Colin would do that?Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:53 am Like, a town-Colin wouldn't be so pissed for "missing" a detail in the thread and then being called out on it, right? He would take it in stride.
It is reductive.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:00 pmYou say "for some reason", but to me the reasons don't seem all that vague. That phrasing seems reductive to me.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:55 am It’s probably more combative than it needs to be. Sorry. I just don’t appreciate the narrative forming around this lynch and I think others may feel the same. I am partially annoyed by it in the component of people suspecting me for some reason from all this, but such is Mafia.
I try to be. I just reject the ideas that this mislynch was easy to figure out, that anybody is particularly to blame for it, and that I’m bad for suggesting so, and all 3 of those piling up is making me roll my eyes more than normal. If you think my vote looks bad that’s a different beast altogether and I’ll engage you in that, but there’s not a lot to say.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:03 pmidk you seem like a normally chill dude. Like your default mode is chill.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:01 pmWhat gives you the idea that town-Colin would do that?Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:53 am Like, a town-Colin wouldn't be so pissed for "missing" a detail in the thread and then being called out on it, right? He would take it in stride.
I don’t wanna NO U but it gives me a vibe I don’t like. Not what I saw in U-Pick!speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:05 pm TH is like... pursuing. Hunting.
I can't even what is this game now?
If I’m not scum, then who might be?
Oh sorry I'm not that bored
Where DID you end up voting?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:06 pm If you think my vote looks bad that’s a different beast altogether and I’ll engage you in that, but there’s not a lot to say.
That's the Turbup Head we all know and love!Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:11 pmOh sorry I'm not that bored
*laughtrack*I’m pretty sure I stayed on Blooper since the point it was between me, her and Scotty. I still could vote there tomorrow. She flung stuff at me because I was closevand not necessarily because I looked really bad.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:11 pmWhere DID you end up voting?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:06 pm If you think my vote looks bad that’s a different beast altogether and I’ll engage you in that, but there’s not a lot to say.
I'm waiting to see more from him
I didn’t think for sure Scotty wasn’t scum, but I was very much thinking so based on his saving me the other day. I wouldn’t have voted for him but I do acknowkedge having made no particular effort to save him. I don’t remember seeing an INH wagon form, even if I had posted in the midst of it. Not sure that I did. I understand your rationale pretty clearly now and agree with taking on INH if others do.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:28 pm Colin, I don't suspect you for voting niju. I wanted to lynch niju. I suspect you because you claim to have been SO SURE Scotty was town but then failed to change your vote in order to save him. If you had felt equally meh about both Scotty and INH, then disregarding the Courage stuff (which I still don't see how you didn't get but ok) I would suspect you less because if you were just like whatever between INH and Scotty/fine with either dying, that would make more sense. But you say you thought Scotty was town. I don't think you felt the same about INH, so you should have changed. Maybe you really were too busy to check the status of the poll, but maybe you were letting things happen to leave a tie in order to save INH.
I'm still not sure if I suspect you the most coming out of this. speed is right that fractal and a couple others are just as responsible if not more. I'll see how I feel after the night if I survive. Sorry for coming across as hostile/accusatory about this, I'm just frustrated by yesterday but you are right that we can't redo it and need to move on.
It's fine.
Yelling "fake news" is not a defense.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:07 am Nothing Blooper said about me is an accurate portrayal of what happened, but sure, go ahead.
I forgot you've never mislynched anyone in your life.
This post is wonderful.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:31 amSo if you were around and could tell that the INH train was going to save Scotty and the Niju train wasn't, I ask again, why didn't you change your voteColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:29 amI defended Scotty more than anybody in the thread. I categorically denied the possibility of him being scum. If anybody has a right to come in here and wave the banner of “told ya so,” it should be me.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:21 amDude he asked the thread in general. I changed my vote. Why didn't you? Don't try to shift the blame for this. Take responsibility.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:20 amYou only tagged two people to change their votes, and some light pleading to Fractal. Why didn’t you ask me or anybody else who was (even sort of) around?speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:47 am
I knew exactly why. I was trying to abide by the no role-claiming/outing rules. Didn't have time to check with Rico if it was okay to say "Hey, Scotty is pretty obviously Courage, could you guys please move."
But that would not be constructive and this is not a constructive dialogue. Scumhunting is constructive. Do that instead of trying to earn righteousness-points.
Agree, TH.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:51 amidk what to make of this post. It feels more combative than it should.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:48 am Because I wasn’t really around. I was at the gym. I didn’t know Blooper’s train would have failed, or that INH’s was better. I didn’t even know for sure Scotty was town and I have healthy skepticism for those that claim to have been wiser.
These self-congratulations and invectives launched at all others who did not have the infinite wisdom you apparently possess are not helpful. They are masturbatory, alienating, condescending, betray a good sense of sportsmanship and I’m not convinced they aren’t an obvious avenue for posturing for scum*. In a word, they suck. We can talk about the Scotty lynch all that is necessary in the pursuit of the next Long Con teammate, but we can do without the annoying “Oh my god, you morons, why didn’t you see this obvious conclusion?” stuff. It contributes NOTHING. It’s a team game and the biggest team doesn’t know who its captains are. This happens. Quit acting like Rico came into the thread and said “Scotty is Courage, don’t lynch him!” and half the town did it anyway.
*nutella looks more guilty of this than speed, for the record. “I cannot believe you guys let that happen” — give me a break.As if you're harping on the wrong point or something, idk.
Civs don't give a fuck if you're no-u-ing.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:07 pmI don’t wanna NO U but it gives me a vibe I don’t like. Not what I saw in U-Pick!speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:05 pm TH is like... pursuing. Hunting.
I can't even what is this game now?
Differentiate this from your own vote for her.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:13 pmI’m pretty sure I stayed on Blooper since the point it was between me, her and Scotty. I still could vote there tomorrow. She flung stuff at me because I was closevand not necessarily because I looked really bad.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:11 pmWhere DID you end up voting?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:06 pm If you think my vote looks bad that’s a different beast altogether and I’ll engage you in that, but there’s not a lot to say.
I assume this is still your reason for suspecting fractal?Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:36 pm By fishy agenda I guess I mean it feels like he's being opportunistic with when/what he posts, as opposed to a more open-stance sort of supatown vibe.
Colin had no problem no-u-ing earlier in the game.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:26 am I think nutella is bad and whipping up a case to try and make us forget about how close she was to dying. Her tone feels consistently false to me and I have a bad feeling that yesterday was two scummers pitted against each other. I’ll vote for anybody I have to in order to survive today though, because I am 100% not the dude you’re looking for.
[VOTE: NUTELLA] aubergine
yeah but I'm sure I'm not describing it very well :-/Dom wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:51 pm TH
I assume this is still your reason for suspecting fractal?Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:36 pm By fishy agenda I guess I mean it feels like he's being opportunistic with when/what he posts, as opposed to a more open-stance sort of supatown vibe.
I understand it. He’s poking and prodding but not doing a lot in the way of pushing the last few phases as if he’s content to let things play out between dueling tow ies.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:03 pmyeah but I'm sure I'm not describing it very well :-/Dom wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:51 pm TH
I assume this is still your reason for suspecting fractal?Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:36 pm By fishy agenda I guess I mean it feels like he's being opportunistic with when/what he posts, as opposed to a more open-stance sort of supatown vibe.
I'll ISO and revisit my thoughts at some point
I concur with this.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:11 am Admittedly, while I consider myself to have clearly pushed for INH for clear reasons, and while I still blame everyone because I'm an ass like that...
I didn't start panicking until after EOD. Mostly because I thought we had everything under control.
I don’t think it’s all moot. Doing nothing if you know both are town might be meaningful.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:02 pmYou're like... 3rd on my list of people that might have been the reason this lynch went south. After Fractal and maybe some others if they were present.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:55 am It’s probably more combative than it needs to be. Sorry. I just don’t appreciate the narrative forming around this lynch and I think others may feel the same. I am partially annoyed by it in the component of people suspecting me for some reason from all this, but such is Mafia.
You wouldn't be on the list at all if you hadn't told me I should have tagged you.
If INH is town, I feel like this is all moot, so let's not get our trousers in a double-knot just yet.
I had this exact same scum team in mind lol! It would make sense.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:20 pm If the scumteam is LC/INH/Fractal/Colin then I want to say I called it riiight here.
Gotta make my predictions.
And while I'm at it, Marmot is Ramses because why not?
What's different about the nutella wagon you've abandoned?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:02 pm I can’t easily cut that quote up, so — I already addressed Blooper’s alleged suspicions of me. I think it’s pretty clear why my ideas move where they do but she goes out of her way to prop it up as arbitrary.
I hesitate to “no u” when it feels like a “no u” because at the base of it is bad play: “I’m obviously a civ, so you can’t legitimately suspect me, so you must be scum!” I try to reject that impulse when it occurs to me that it’s happening unless it helps to amplify or clarify other feelings.
thx brahTurnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:03 pmyeah but I'm sure I'm not describing it very well :-/Dom wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:51 pm TH
I assume this is still your reason for suspecting fractal?Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:36 pm By fishy agenda I guess I mean it feels like he's being opportunistic with when/what he posts, as opposed to a more open-stance sort of supatown vibe.
I'll ISO and revisit my thoughts at some point
It might be a bit much for both to be town, but I wouldn't put it past them. I trust nutella and Kylemii right now, and no others.Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:51 pmI had this exact same scum team in mind lol! It would make sense.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:20 pm If the scumteam is LC/INH/Fractal/Colin then I want to say I called it riiight here.
Gotta make my predictions.
And while I'm at it, Marmot is Ramses because why not?
But I actually think marmot is in there somewhere...
Fractal/colin would make sense as a duo given the vomps lynch. But I think it’s probably tinfoil, both still seem generally town to me.
If he’s town I think you just unclear people to the degree you’re comfortable with. A Fractal/nijuu team thing looks more plausible there maybe.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:55 pm If INH is bad we can probably effectively clear these people: Speed, Golden, Kyle, nutella, all of whom voted for him.
We would also want to look most severely at Fractal and Nijuu for late votes on Scotty/not breaking the tie. Other Scotty voters were sig and Dom. I voted with Scotty on Nijuu and can accept being slotted with them.
TH and Marmot voted elsewhere. I’m inclined to think scum had spread votes out so I want people to make GTH of which is scum between them.
If INH isn’t bad, start from somewhere else.
Add you to that list and I’m in the same boat.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:58 pmIt might be a bit much for both to be town, but I wouldn't put it past them. I trust nutella and Kylemii right now, and no others.Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:51 pmI had this exact same scum team in mind lol! It would make sense.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:20 pm If the scumteam is LC/INH/Fractal/Colin then I want to say I called it riiight here.
Gotta make my predictions.
And while I'm at it, Marmot is Ramses because why not?
But I actually think marmot is in there somewhere...
Fractal/colin would make sense as a duo given the vomps lynch. But I think it’s probably tinfoil, both still seem generally town to me.
Bolded. (In other terms “unless I suspect the person for other reasons.”)Dom wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:51 pmWhat's different about the nutella wagon you've abandoned?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:02 pm I can’t easily cut that quote up, so — I already addressed Blooper’s alleged suspicions of me. I think it’s pretty clear why my ideas move where they do but she goes out of her way to prop it up as arbitrary.
I hesitate to “no u” when it feels like a “no u” because at the base of it is bad play: “I’m obviously a civ, so you can’t legitimately suspect me, so you must be scum!” I try to reject that impulse when it occurs to me that it’s happening unless it helps to amplify or clarify other feelings.
The list of people you trust or that you "wouldn't put it past"?Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:07 pmAdd you to that list and I’m in the same boat.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:58 pm It might be a bit much for both to be town, but I wouldn't put it past them. I trust nutella and Kylemii right now, and no others.
People I trust enough that I don’t have even a tinfoil read at present.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:25 pmThe list of people you trust or that you "wouldn't put it past"?Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:07 pmAdd you to that list and I’m in the same boat.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:58 pm It might be a bit much for both to be town, but I wouldn't put it past them. I trust nutella and Kylemii right now, and no others.
She said she had a cool role, she does this on other occasions, but it’s a plea that reduces lynch risk st the expense of nk risk - of which there’s none for Ramses.