The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:49 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:49 am tutuu how do you feel about a nutella flip today?

im cool with it

i feel bad cuz i always scumread nutella and shes always town so im not gunning for it

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:05 am Mac I am here to talk about why your push is wrong

let me know what I have done that has caused this suspicion towards me

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:11 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:05 am Mac I am here to talk about why your push is wrong

let me know what I have done that has caused this suspicion towards me

Lie about playing scummy on purpose

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:11 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:05 am Mac I am here to talk about why your push is wrong

let me know what I have done that has caused this suspicion towards me

Lie about playing scummy on purpose

I didn't lie - I was having fun but I did make the deflection jokes knowing that I'd get scum read for them

The other things were fair game, that's just how I start every time, gifs and memes and skating to D2 when I have more reliable reads

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:21 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:11 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:05 am Mac I am here to talk about why your push is wrong

let me know what I have done that has caused this suspicion towards me

Lie about playing scummy on purpose

I didn't lie - I was having fun but I did make the deflection jokes knowing that I'd get scum read for them

The other things were fair game, that's just how I start every time, gifs and memes and skating to D2 when I have more reliable reads

So why did you get upset and bail.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:20 am I don't think Nutella has been scummy enough to sit on 7 votes. What happened while I was gone?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:22 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:21 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:11 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:05 am Mac I am here to talk about why your push is wrong

let me know what I have done that has caused this suspicion towards me

Lie about playing scummy on purpose

I didn't lie - I was having fun but I did make the deflection jokes knowing that I'd get scum read for them

The other things were fair game, that's just how I start every time, gifs and memes and skating to D2 when I have more reliable reads

So why did you get upset and bail.

how's that relevant to anything lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:25 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:22 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:21 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:11 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:05 am Mac I am here to talk about why your push is wrong

let me know what I have done that has caused this suspicion towards me

Lie about playing scummy on purpose

I didn't lie - I was having fun but I did make the deflection jokes knowing that I'd get scum read for them

The other things were fair game, that's just how I start every time, gifs and memes and skating to D2 when I have more reliable reads

So why did you get upset and bail.

how's that relevant to anything lol

Having fun and being scum on purpose and then get tilted for being scum read and leave. You tell me.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:23 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:20 am I don't think Nutella has been scummy enough to sit on 7 votes. What happened while I was gone?

The short version is that Mac pushed her for meta reasons and then she responded with a bad push on juliets (who by then was obvtown in my view), and Mac just went "okay, this is scum" and asked people who trusted him to get on her wagon.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:50 pm Current opinion on MacDougal. Summary: Day one town lean, would not chop today but don't particularly trust

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The flinging of first post reads is standard issue Mac, and NAI in itself.

The fact that he doesn't push the idea that his one post reads should be taken seriously bothers me. They are the bulk of his "work," and if he is left with the out that they are just one post reads he is really not on any sort of accountability hook. I think he does take them seriously and wants them taken seriously, so not stressing that may be intentionally leaving himself the out.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:08 am tutuu I can probably go more in-depth with mindset analysis if that wasn't enough, let me know and I can elaborate

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:19 am

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:51 pm

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:05 am I cannot believe how my mood matches my avatar! I'm gonna take a little walk.

Just too much pages fluffing dear poison.

I know you are mostly a reactive player but there was a lot to say in these pages to react.

I'm skkiping a lot of thing that are asked or answered causa i dont want to spent to many time being up.

I'm fluffy myself hehahahhahah!

But I think I replied to this later, but I'm pretty fluffy day 1 and I like to do this no matter where, if I was to play on the moon I'd be still doing it. It's the best part of the game.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:39 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:50 pm Current opinion on MacDougal. Summary: Day one town lean, would not chop today but don't particularly trust

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The flinging of first post reads is standard issue Mac, and NAI in itself.

The fact that he doesn't push the idea that his one post reads should be taken seriously bothers me. They are the bulk of his "work," and if he is left with the out that they are just one post reads he is really not on any sort of accountability hook. I think he does take them seriously and wants them taken seriously, so not stressing that may be intentionally leaving himself the out.

What did you think of this post Mac? Buying it as someone that's struggling to parse your alignment without TMI?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:51 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:39 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:50 pm Current opinion on MacDougal. Summary: Day one town lean, would not chop today but don't particularly trust

Spoiler: show

The flinging of first post reads is standard issue Mac, and NAI in itself.

The fact that he doesn't push the idea that his one post reads should be taken seriously bothers me. They are the bulk of his "work," and if he is left with the out that they are just one post reads he is really not on any sort of accountability hook. I think he does take them seriously and wants them taken seriously, so not stressing that may be intentionally leaving himself the out.

What did you think of this post Mac? Buying it as someone that's struggling to parse your alignment without TMI?

I dunno I think I'm pretty obviously town so it's kinda dumb.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:05 am yo jpic did you get 1610

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:54 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:51 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:39 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:50 pm Current opinion on MacDougal. Summary: Day one town lean, would not chop today but don't particularly trust

Spoiler: show

The flinging of first post reads is standard issue Mac, and NAI in itself.

The fact that he doesn't push the idea that his one post reads should be taken seriously bothers me. They are the bulk of his "work," and if he is left with the out that they are just one post reads he is really not on any sort of accountability hook. I think he does take them seriously and wants them taken seriously, so not stressing that may be intentionally leaving himself the out.

What did you think of this post Mac? Buying it as someone that's struggling to parse your alignment without TMI?

I dunno I think I'm pretty obviously town so it's kinda dumb.

Do you actually think he has an issue with you not being more adamant about your first reads?

I mean, you had about 3 pushes or so on the people that you scum read. Does that read like he's something that he's genuinely worried about when you've assumed responsibility by doing other things?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:27 am

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:03 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:43 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:36 pm Okey, page 15.

And u guys will know a new term, the "samulist"

A samulist is a list where 50% of player are antitown. Easy to learn dont think

So between justolayingitcool, poison, macdougall and nutella have to at least two antitown if not, then I'll make a fool of myself again in an English game, and I'll have to stop bragging about the readings I do in my native language and learn to play like an avocado? Meh, I'd rather go for the glory.

Justplaying isnt genuine, acting like doenst care and have some red noob mafia tipical flags.

Poison is fluffing too.much and only going for some scumhunting when being pressured, also doing too much pocketing between fluffy post.

Nutella seems oportunistic and not to much focused in scumreading.

Macdougall is my gut read, also dont liking the momentum of how he change between active and reactive, rethinking probably is the deepwolf i can read in this game, cant buy the pointed post meanwhile being up. Is still probably he being the rogue cause i can see nutella, poison and justplayingitcol as budies together in some way but not with macdougall. So rogue or deepwolf can explain my gut read.

If someone ask me.to.forget these four player probably a will look into tim and drwilgy as prob mafias.

There are a group of nai at this moment like, herm, collin, dyslexicon, fallen... Probably i'm forgetting someone

Latest post of oddmerta let me some.good vibes, weaktown. Also want to interact with him

Staypositivefriend is between null to scum and scum to null.for moments, like some post can.be genuine and others oportunistic, i think i pointed some of the oportunistics ones.

Alise is going to hard with de towncore to be deepwolfing, also like hally in that core both are town read, but i have to say that the tuutuu early game was better than the last relaxed post in these pages weak town read.

Nanook, ted and spirityo are locktown for me for momentum Pressure and how nobody disagree A lot of vague arguments.

We are reading the game extremely differently however I think you are town and it would be good if we could align. It is unfortunate that you have no meta on me and you happen to be an independent thinker. It's a bad combination that generally leads to wrongly tunneling me while others are just reading me "oh that's just Mac".

Humm, let me bait u with a question okey?

Imagine you have two big suspects in this game, the only way you can lynch your second most suspicious is with the help of your most suspicious player.

What would you do?

I don't think I've ever been a situation where I had to plea to someone I found most suspicious to get someone I find less suspicious yeeted. I am just trying to get whoever I want to kill over and pushing for everyone to vote there.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:23 am Seriously, these colors are actually really hard to read.

The bad news is that I disagree with a lot of your reads. The good news is that I think this readslist comes from town.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:30 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:23 am Seriously, these colors are actually really hard to read.

The bad news is that I disagree with a lot of your reads. The good news is that I think this readslist comes from town.

That's alright, if I'm correct then we're probably going to be yeeting in what are the lower layers of town reads regardless until we reach wolf leans on my wolfs.

I'm actually very okay with my town reads. I see myself only changing my mind about maybe Wilgy or Radishes if he doesn't pick up steam but for D1 he was townie enough.

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:57 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:00 pm [VOTE: herm] aubergine

why do people townread this again?

idk poison said he’s not like g9 where he was scum so i’m sheeping that

also vibe idk. he seems chill

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:59 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:05 pm If by tomorrow morning I’m gonna read LHF as all town I’m totally buying into the Mac scum read being that he randed a good team

mac is town though. his meta is kinda obvious

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:33 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:30 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:23 am Seriously, these colors are actually really hard to read.

The bad news is that I disagree with a lot of your reads. The good news is that I think this readslist comes from town.

That's alright, if I'm correct then we're probably going to be yeeting in what are the lower layers of town reads regardless until we reach wolf leans on my wolfs.

I'm actually very okay with my town reads. I see myself only changing my mind about maybe Wilgy or Radishes if he doesn't pick up steam but for D1 he was townie enough.

Your townreads is part of your readslist I agree with so I'm moderately happy with where you're at. I'm pretty sure we'll arrive at the same conclusions for who to exe.

Are you on board with killing nutella?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:07 am reads i am not wrong about

ALISON is playing her hearts out. she is coming from a game in which she felt as if tho part of the reason she lost was cuz she had no time to spent posting itt, so note how much effort she is putting in thread camping 24/7. she wants to make up for it and prove herself, and disregarding that just read her posts

@sprityo please consider

MACDOUGALL is not as consistently obvtown as alison, looks like he is more turbulent, but his nitro speed rush thing on day was enough to lock town and never reevaluate

TEDXTR did a metamorphosis itt, please note how he got upset at my lashing at him, and how when he later returned he changed his modus operandi and became much mellower and try to calmly be diplomatic with ppl as opposed to earlier when he was messing around. i also believe he lied about playing scummy on purpose, my read is that he just said it cuz he wanted to look sophisticated or something, dunno

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:40 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:38 am Why do you townread ted, tutuu?

towny hypocrisy in posting that cringe gif at me for scumreading him, as if it was a gotcha moment

"haha tutuu u called me ridiculous for scumreading u, but look at u, YOU SCUMREAD ME URSELF, HAHA!" *cringe gif*

completely unabashed, unashamed, disregarding how he comes off as, as if he forgot he literally said he purposely played scummy

when i feel this kind of emotion towards a player they're usually town

this too, please read in context the posts above and see for urself

im messaging this specifically for the ppl who r voting ted, cuz i think they're wrong and i wanna try to help. namely @Hally and @Timsup2nothin

ODDMERTA havent been paying attention to him lately but early d1 was enough. honestly actually kinda forgot but i just remember he was blatantly obvious town. if it matters id need to reread my own iso to bring up the arguments

reads i could be wrong about

DRWILGY uh i think i thought cuz he went against the grain and scumread me when i was obvious town to everyone. also had a bunch of towny / idiosyncratic stuff, i can think of only 1 top of my head, the thing with "tutuu why arent u engaging with me on our different reads on mac" and after some back n forth he said "but i never explained my mac read lmao" like dunno if this is a mess of words but he like paid attentino / hold his hearts to his chest / was aware of that and thought it was like a "gotcha" moment to catch me scum or something?

HALLY cuz of how much we mindmelded, and in general their tone and energy and everything. a bunch of ppl and me were paranoid they were wolfing in her sf game cuz of how much tehy wanted to sheep and be a "Support" instead of a "Carry" but we learned thats just what they like to do as town

JPIC because of how little he cares and how much he continually wolfclaims and actively trolls for entertainment BUT thats not the only thing he's doing. he isn't a 1-trick pony that gets stale, you CAN see a few reads and thoughts here and there, he is reading and considering the game, while masking it behind the trolling and "idgafuckness" like something something ppl who pretend to care about the game less than they do - towntell

MASTER RADISHES im just sheeping my towncore. cant put him any higher than this @Alison at the end of the day i cant in good faith trust my towncore enough to put their townreads in my top town tier over my own (in the sense of not that i dont trust u (towncore) that u arent town, just trust on the read accuracy)

NANOOK i thought derpcleared himself town for thinking there are only 4 mafia and not 5

POISON-TAN i think is a terrible liar and would not pocket ppl left and right as mafia. she is just so honest and genuine and its easy to see imo

reads i could very well be wrong about, these r just my feelings

SPRITYO i leaned town cuz of his anti-consensus push on alison, usually a towntell to scumcase and vote the consensus towncore like that. some other ppl said some things and stuff about him being town, i didnt rly pay attention to what they said, i just noted they townread them (so its a plus that other ppl found him town too i mean)

TIMSUP2NOTHING i townread him for his anti-consensus push on omerta, now that im seeing his push on tedxtr i kinda like want him to stop pushing my townreads tho cuz it gives me a cold feet. and like ... idk, i think he's hard to read this game

COLIN i leaned town cuz of ... actualyl literally inexplainable

DYACHEI gut townread also liteally inexplaianble

DIZZYgut townread cuz how he doesnt care how he comes off as, and he played similar slanky/sheepy as town before, but i guess if he were to roll scum why not copy it? dunno

my poe of 6 ppl (cuz 5 mafia and 1 sk)

JULIETS
NUTELLA
STAYPOSITIVEFRIEND
HERM
SAMUSAMU
LONG CON

pls dont ask to justify my scumreads

my brain doesnt work on the process of "i put X as my scumread cuz i found that this thing they've done to be scummy"

my brain works on the process off "everyone starts at ground level, and i try to townhunt and elevate ppl up, and those ppl i dont find anything to elevate up on, i just leave at the bottom"

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:29 am also i like those reads and agree with most of them. my notable disagreements are that i town lean radishes and tim. probably more so radishes. but i get why you see him as scummy because you don’t know his style. i also think samu has been pretty towny

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:31 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:26 pm just realized that juliet replaced into fallen prince. i would gth scumread her and i dont feel like explaining why rn

Let's not play this game.

I think juliets is just town. Catchup was good. Nothing amazingly standout but had a thread of town purity to it. I'm not going to gamble my life savings on this read, but she's done a good job redeeming the slot.

SPF is like, there are some reasons to read her town, but the energy hasn't come back yet and the un-asked for GTH is slightly scummy in a vacuum unless there's meta there. (Town just does whatever, scum feels more of a need to pigeonhole their reads so they can remember what those reads are and act in accordance to them. It simplifies matters for them when their goal is play-acting out the reads.) Let's say... still in the POE, but near the top of it.

Will catch up more as I go.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:35 am Juliets mafia is basically a lower volume version of her town self. She also isn't much of a bussed unless asked to be so she can be found by not having pushed flipped and consensus mafia teammates.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:41 am

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:46 pm Tell me more about this in a spoiler please.

Spoiler: show

nanook and Alison

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:27 am Some notes : I know I have Tim and Oddmerta in kinda the same spots.

I actually marinated on it and I find Tim v Oddmerta to have w/w potential. I wouldn't clear one based on the other.

I think Odd is good with staying on Tim because in his mind he knows that Tim is scum, so he would look good after a flip, even if he's doing nothing else. Also, he seems to not really push it further and it's kind of stagnating, and his only solving posts after the Tim push are "I saw you have a scum read on me, why?"

It's maybe tinfoil theory but it's not outside the realm of possibility.

I had that thought during their tunnel, I've been taught that what counts in tunnels is seeing how the war ends, rather than what's actually going on in it. Tim kinda looked elsewhere and Odd also deflected a bit, and when Tim changed gears, Odd still wanted to have the higher ground and Tim is really not caring about that push at all, which isn't really what I associate with his town play. If he thought he was being finessed, he would've tried gathering the information to fit that theory or refute it /shrug

Idk it's weird, I just guess I wouldn't clear one if the other flips wolf is my point.

Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:55 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:35 am Juliets mafia is basically a lower volume version of her town self. She also isn't much of a bussed unless asked to be so she can be found by not having pushed flipped and consensus mafia teammates.

Okey, but this is inconclusive, how are u seeing juliets taking this into.account?

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:53 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:15 pm JPIC needs more votes

i don’t object to this but i also wanna kill nut

Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:02 am

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:53 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:15 pm JPIC needs more votes

i don’t object to this but i also wanna kill nut

Prob i will sup a lynch of nut in this moment.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:51 am Ted is playing scummy on purpose apparently lol.

Because that's what town do on day 1 coming off multiple scum rands...

I need to take a short break. I'm up to this post and just wanted to make a quick comment. I didn't have as strong a reaction about ted being mafia until I got to this post and another like it that tutuu posted. It doesn't make sense to me that ted would want to post scummy on Day 1 coming off other games where he randed scum. I don't understand that, @tedxtr maybe you could explain. If you already did thats fine, I'll get to it soon.

And then do I understand correctly that you voted tutuu in part because she read you as scum after you admitted that you were playing scummy? Maybe I misunderstood or maybe you've already addressed this too, if so I'll get to it.

I'll be gone for a bit and then come back and pick up where I left off.