The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote:I mean, either he knows, or he does not know, how he survived.

juliets wrote:Made, I don't think anyone has asked you this straight out: do you know what happened in the lynch that resulted in you being saved? This is a yes or no question as I'm sure it would break the rules for you to expound on it.

Made wrote:Killing a thread 101

S~V~S wrote:The conjecture is that perhaps AP & Made were the Lovers~ Lovers roles have a connection. The commonest one is if one of them is targeted/lynched, the other dies, and in this game Concordes character would work pretty well for that.

Dana wrote:

S~V~S wrote:The conjecture is that perhaps AP & Made were the Lovers~ Lovers roles have a connection. The commonest one is if one of them is targeted/lynched, the other dies, and in this game Concordes character would work pretty well for that.

This would also make a lot of sense for why AP would vote for himself if it were Made that would die instead? Also Made answering yes to Juliets' question makes me think this is even more likely.

thellama73 wrote:

Dana wrote:

S~V~S wrote:The conjecture is that perhaps AP & Made were the Lovers~ Lovers roles have a connection. The commonest one is if one of them is targeted/lynched, the other dies, and in this game Concordes character would work pretty well for that.

This would also make a lot of sense for why AP would vote for himself if it were Made that would die instead? Also Made answering yes to Juliets' question makes me think this is even more likely.

But then why would he pretend not to know what Canuck was talking about? I'm not buying it. Not buying it at all.

Dana wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Dana wrote:

S~V~S wrote:The conjecture is that perhaps AP & Made were the Lovers~ Lovers roles have a connection. The commonest one is if one of them is targeted/lynched, the other dies, and in this game Concordes character would work pretty well for that.

This would also make a lot of sense for why AP would vote for himself if it were Made that would die instead? Also Made answering yes to Juliets' question makes me think this is even more likely.

But then why would he pretend not to know what Canuck was talking about? I'm not buying it. Not buying it at all.

I didn't know what Canuck was talking about either until SVS spelled it out. Made definitely couldn't confirm Canuck's theory because that would be role outing and Roxy/DP would murder him.

S~V~S wrote:This would have nothing to do with APs role; I am talking about a pattern of support the entire game. I think they definitely would like to capitalize on the possibilities of APs role. The BeaNuck theory is very possible. With manips it is also possible that Made was not the person lynched; he did not act like someone about to die.

But the seemer thing would work regardless of the AP lynch. You are overcomplicating this a bit, IMO.

Dana wrote:Would he say yes if he was unsure?

thellama73 wrote:I'm starting to think we are dealing with the ballsiest mafia team in mafia history.

Enrique wrote:I... Made, what? Do you know for a fact what saved you?

S~V~S wrote:So, my theory is also about a role possibility. And the thing that kept popping into my head was DharmaHelper in the first recruitment game being a seemer role. He came up as a mystery civvie role; in that game, not all roles were revealed immediately. So a role no one ever heard of was a possibility. And it allowed the baddie team to claim a role that no one else had, so no one could dispute it. It also got his teammates tons of cred, as I recall it, although I could have that wrong.

LoRab wrote:I also thought of the possibility of a seemer role. I had the first seemer role, so it always goes through my mind. But I'm not seeing how it's the case here. I'm also confused. You're speculating that Made might be a seemer-type role and baddie teammates switched the lynch and are possibly setting up for what role they've chosen? And would that have just meant they got lucky with who they chose for the lynch?

Ah, my Seemers. The first Seemer was in Mafia: A World Apart (sequel coming soon!), and it was Lorab. I'm so happy with the role-type taking on the name. Someone should do a baddie team that are all different kinds of Seemer.

Long Con wrote: In my scenario, you are a baddie, and you think it's more than likely Made will turn up Civvie... so you had better sow a seed of doubt a la Seemer into the mix.

Made wrote:

Long Con wrote: In my scenario, you are a baddie, and you think it's more than likely Made will turn up Civvie... so you had better sow a seed of doubt a la Seemer into the mix.

I've considered this, but it's just SVS has been so on point all game. Every point she's made seems easily, or at least logically derived. However, her being the most best player on this website, i have to suspect this is an act, given a very well played act

thellama73 wrote:Doesn't the fact that Made professes not to understand the theory somewhat undermine the theory?

Enrique wrote:Not really? It doesn't have to be a part of his role, just AP's. Like Canuck, I'm not suggesting they had BTSC.

Dana wrote:

S~V~S wrote:The conjecture is that perhaps AP & Made were the Lovers~ Lovers roles have a connection. The commonest one is if one of them is targeted/lynched, the other dies, and in this game Concordes character would work pretty well for that.

This would also make a lot of sense for why AP would vote for himself if it were Made that would die instead? Also Made answering yes to Juliets' question makes me think this is even more likely.

Made wrote:

juliets wrote:Made, I don't think anyone has asked you this straight out: do you know what happened in the lynch that resulted in you being saved? This is a yes or no question as I'm sure it would break the rules for you to expound on it.

Yes

LoRab wrote:

Dana wrote:

S~V~S wrote:The conjecture is that perhaps AP & Made were the Lovers~ Lovers roles have a connection. The commonest one is if one of them is targeted/lynched, the other dies, and in this game Concordes character would work pretty well for that.

This would also make a lot of sense for why AP would vote for himself if it were Made that would die instead? Also Made answering yes to Juliets' question makes me think this is even more likely.

I come to the opposite conclusion from these same facts.

Canucklehead wrote: I mentioned earlier that I had been pinged by MM, but wasn't able to find what had pinged me, so I'm interested to hear that others are also pinged. I entirely missed somehow Made's case on him that juliets brings up, so I guess I need to have a look for that. (I thought Made's big offensive salvo was against MR? Am I mixing the m-folk up, or were their two separate cases?)

Made wrote:

Enrique wrote:

Made wrote:Organized by how much they wanted the booty
1. Canuck
2. Enrique (tho he's trying to separate himself from me might warrant him lower on the list)
3. Bea
4. Bullz
4. reywaS
5. BWT (Barely made the list, his lack of aggression towards me makes me think he think favorably of me, but could be me misinterpreting his caution of put me on the defensive.)

Night 2 is when most of my reinforcements arrived. Fucking fair weather friends...
I don't think i'm forgetting anyone, but iunno.

Players are allowed to change their minds. In light of AP's lynch and the surrounding theories, I trust you.

@ Blooper - Look at AP's role, then look at that role in the context of the movie. Maybe you'll see what we're getting at.

Also, I haven't seen the movie, which probably explains why this theory hasn't clicked for me yet.

LoRab wrote:

Dana wrote:

S~V~S wrote:The conjecture is that perhaps AP & Made were the Lovers~ Lovers roles have a connection. The commonest one is if one of them is targeted/lynched, the other dies, and in this game Concordes character would work pretty well for that.

This would also make a lot of sense for why AP would vote for himself if it were Made that would die instead? Also Made answering yes to Juliets' question makes me think this is even more likely.

I come to the opposite conclusion from these same facts.

Long Con wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Dana wrote:

S~V~S wrote:The conjecture is that perhaps AP & Made were the Lovers~ Lovers roles have a connection. The commonest one is if one of them is targeted/lynched, the other dies, and in this game Concordes character would work pretty well for that.

This would also make a lot of sense for why AP would vote for himself if it were Made that would die instead? Also Made answering yes to Juliets' question makes me think this is even more likely.

I come to the opposite conclusion from these same facts.

Ha! That is a beautiful response Lorab.

I don't see why AP voting for himself would enter into a Lovers arrangement.

There's the concept that a lynch switch can only go to a person with a vote, and there's the concept that Made's-role-that-no-one-will name-celot was under a Lovers-style protection from Concorde. I'm having difficulty understanding Dana's post with that in mind.

Dana wrote:

Long Con wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Dana wrote:

S~V~S wrote:The conjecture is that perhaps AP & Made were the Lovers~ Lovers roles have a connection. The commonest one is if one of them is targeted/lynched, the other dies, and in this game Concordes character would work pretty well for that.

This would also make a lot of sense for why AP would vote for himself if it were Made that would die instead? Also Made answering yes to Juliets' question makes me think this is even more likely.

I come to the opposite conclusion from these same facts.

Ha! That is a beautiful response Lorab.

I don't see why AP voting for himself would enter into a Lovers arrangement.

There's the concept that a lynch switch can only go to a person with a vote, and there's the concept that Made's-role-that-no-one-will name-celot was under a Lovers-style protection from Concorde. I'm having difficulty understanding Dana's post with that in mind.

What I meant by that was if AP knew that Made getting all the votes would mean he dies, maybe he voted for himself in hopes to bring his votes up enough to save himself and kill Made. But with Made saying now that he's not completely certain and only thinks he knows how he was saved, I'm not sure this idea holds much weight, if any.

Long Con wrote:

S~V~S wrote:So, my theory is also about a role possibility. And the thing that kept popping into my head was DharmaHelper in the first recruitment game being a seemer role. He came up as a mystery civvie role; in that game, not all roles were revealed immediately. So a role no one ever heard of was a possibility. And it allowed the baddie team to claim a role that no one else had, so no one could dispute it. It also got his teammates tons of cred, as I recall it, although I could have that wrong.

LoRab wrote:I also thought of the possibility of a seemer role. I had the first seemer role, so it always goes through my mind. But I'm not seeing how it's the case here. I'm also confused. You're speculating that Made might be a seemer-type role and baddie teammates switched the lynch and are possibly setting up for what role they've chosen? And would that have just meant they got lucky with who they chose for the lynch?

Ah, my Seemers. The first Seemer was in Mafia: A World Apart (sequel coming soon!), and it was Lorab. I'm so happy with the role-type taking on the name. Someone should do a baddie team that are all different kinds of Seemer.

Well, S~V~S, I've had my share of suspicion of you, I think we can agree. Let me tell you what this sounds like to me, and let me know if I'm crazy to come up with this possibility.

In my scenario, you are a baddie, and you think it's more than likely Made will turn up Civvie... so you had better sow a seed of doubt a la Seemer into the mix. Then when you turn up with your fingerprints among the many others all over his lynch, we are supposed to think "Maybe he wasn't King Arthur/Sir Galahad/Sir Lancelot/whatever... he was probably a Seemer!"

S~V~S, I'm sure you can see that this conclusion isn't isn't overly intricate. I'm also sure that there's assumptions you will challenge to show the weaknesses in the idea. But there it is, so just don't be surprised that you're still one of the more prominent names on my lynch list. MAFIA, am I right?

Made wrote:Organized by how much they wanted the booty
1. Canuck
2. Enrique (tho he's trying to separate himself from me might warrant him lower on the list)
3. Bea
4. Bullz
4. reywaS
5. BWT (Barely made the list, his lack of aggression towards me makes me think he think favorably of me, but could be me misinterpreting his caution of put me on the defensive.)

Night 2 is when most of my reinforcements arrived. Fucking fair weather friends...
I don't think i'm forgetting anyone, but iunno.

nijuukyugou wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I like your sarcastic tone, Blooper, for what that's worth.

Apparently my students do, too. I think they might think I'm joking

I think it might be the only way I can vent without getting in trouble...

thellama73 wrote:Doesn't the fact that Made professes not to understand the theory somewhat undermine the theory?

Long Con wrote: In my scenario, you are a baddie, and you think it's more than likely Made will turn up Civvie... so you had better sow a seed of doubt a la Seemer into the mix. Then when you turn up with your fingerprints among the many others all over his lynch, we are supposed to think "Maybe he wasn't King Arthur/Sir Galahad/Sir Lancelot/whatever... he was probably a Seemer!"

bea wrote: linki - LC - I would think the connection would have been explained in the *secrets* part for both parties. BTS or not - someone dying for you - or you dying for someone else seems to be something both roles would have been told.

Am I moving too far fetched to think that made could have been some other civ role that had a switch - like a mayor role? switched it to someone else - *that* person was lancolot and a person died? It feels like I'm working too hard to find a reason for Made to be a civ in this scenario.

S~V~S wrote:And one more before I go to work~ I think we should do just what Made told us to do, basically forget about him for now, ignore him. And talk about other suspicions. There are too many variables & possibilities regarding him. We need to approach this from another direction, because we are getting bogged down.