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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:33 pm
by Epignosis
Dyslexicon wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:32 pm Very stupid ending, but fun game!

Town did well overall except the huge mistake in the end. Well done, everyone.

Thanks for the game, Epi and Dunya <3
One mistake in the beginning, I would argue. ;)

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:34 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
dunya wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:33 pm I don't know why thread keeps locking, mods stop playing! :p
Probably my fault, since I had the post count records thing queued before it got locked.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:34 pm
by Alison
Anyway thanks for the game everyone sorry the ending was lame. I did what I thought was optimal to secure victory and apologized to dunia that I wasn't more active, because I think this is the strategy I would adopt if I was a benign 3P like I was claiming to be also.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:34 pm
by Long Con
I'll still support 3p in the future. No regrets.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:34 pm
by Justplayingitcool
Congrats @Alison

I felt bad when I told tutuu not to accept and got [insert expletive]

im surprised only 5 mafia though. But we should have looked into ted trying so hard at the end

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:34 pm
by Hyena
Dyslexicon wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:32 pm Very stupid ending, but fun game!

Town did well overall except the huge mistake in the end. Well done, everyone.

Thanks for the game, Epi and Dunya <3
When you suggested wanting to kill Alison that final time, I was actually serious about considering going there... I just forgot that the votes would redirect to you.

Was there any way we could have one that final day aside from Tutuu just not accepting the deal?

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:35 pm
by Dyslexicon
Both a great and greatly stupid game! We love.

My no yeet plan would’ve worked. =p

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 9]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:35 pm
by nutella
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:24 pm Image

Some new stuff for the site record books.

Highest combined post count for any single game ever.

tutuu had the highest single game post count ever.

JPIC had the 3rd-highest single game post count ever.

Michelle lands 6th I believe.

10 players overall with 1,000+ posts, which I believe more than doubles the total instances of 1,000 post games in site history (or at least it's close).
yeah what's really funny about this is alison solo winning having barely posted compared to everyone else lol 3p gonna 3p

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 7]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:35 pm
by Made
Made wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:57 am inb4 it was alison all along
ooooooof

well played sis

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:35 pm
by hollowkatt
Dyslexicon wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:24 pm Not to say I told you so, but I fucking told you so.
Town completing scums wincon by sacrificing.

Sorry for not screaming louder about it.

Congrats @Alison
GG Dizzy, it was a masterpiece watching you get there today!
Thanks to all y'all for a great game, and I told you, Tim was town ;-)
Don't doubt the God Read

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:35 pm
by Justplayingitcool
Hyena wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:34 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:32 pm Very stupid ending, but fun game!

Town did well overall except the huge mistake in the end. Well done, everyone.

Thanks for the game, Epi and Dunya <3
When you suggested wanting to kill Alison that final time, I was actually serious about considering going there... I just forgot that the votes would redirect to you.

Was there any way we could have one that final day aside from Tutuu just not accepting the deal?
maybe if we no yeeted

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:36 pm
by Alison
I will say that this game was interesting because it involved me making heavy use of two tactics that I almost never use as scum: hard afking for long stretches of time and lots of AtE. I do think it demonstrates why sentiment has no place in a game of deception and Dizzy was right to say that town shouldn't be letting a 3P win just out of gratitude or emotion when it might sabotage their own win condition.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:36 pm
by hollowkatt
Alison wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:20 pmrest in peace
GG and WP Alison!

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:36 pm
by dunya
If dizzy had died, Alison would not have won today. If any bargainee had died or tutuu not accepted the deal.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:36 pm
by Justplayingitcool
tutuu wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 2:54 pm If i get yeeted i just wanna say i appoint JPIC as town leader, i think he is town and his reads are extremely logical and make sense and there is a ton of insight and i think hes massively underrated since he doensnt have the reputation of some of the other players but dont sleep on JPIC he definitely knows whats up
thank you for this. it made me feel better about myself!
:cloud9:

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:37 pm
by dunya
No yeet would have resulted in a town loss too.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:37 pm
by Alison
Hyena wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:34 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:32 pm Very stupid ending, but fun game!

Town did well overall except the huge mistake in the end. Well done, everyone.

Thanks for the game, Epi and Dunya <3
When you suggested wanting to kill Alison that final time, I was actually serious about considering going there... I just forgot that the votes would redirect to you.

Was there any way we could have one that final day aside from Tutuu just not accepting the deal?
Yes, you could have voted Michelle and had her switch the poll to me. I redirect votes, not polls.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:37 pm
by Dyslexicon
I even wrote “I accept with a heavy heart” when I accepted the bargain. I knew it was wrong. But in the end, we didn’t quite get there.

Only five mafia was a bit of a surprise.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:38 pm
by Alison
Justplayingitcool wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:35 pm
Hyena wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:34 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:32 pm Very stupid ending, but fun game!

Town did well overall except the huge mistake in the end. Well done, everyone.

Thanks for the game, Epi and Dunya <3
When you suggested wanting to kill Alison that final time, I was actually serious about considering going there... I just forgot that the votes would redirect to you.

Was there any way we could have one that final day aside from Tutuu just not accepting the deal?
maybe if we no yeeted
No exe only works if Dizzy blocks me and convinces town that scum didn't holster (ie. that I am scum).

Or, well, tutuu not accepting the deal, exeing a bargainee, those things would have delayed me from winning and potentially allowed town to get there on the last day.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:38 pm
by Syn
I don't feel bad about losing this game with all those conditions on Alison's ability and her being gifted the night kill after we wiped the wolves. I don't want to start believing "always chop 3P" as a genuine tactic for the future either. Good game to Alison. You played it right.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:38 pm
by Dyslexicon
dunya wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:37 pm No yeet would have resulted in a town loss too.
Not if Tutu didn’t accept.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:38 pm
by Alison
Dyslexicon wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:37 pm I even wrote “I accept with a heavy heart” when I accepted the bargain. I knew it was wrong. But in the end, we didn’t quite get there.

Only five mafia was a bit of a surprise.
If I was town there I would accept the bargain and turbo the 3P the next day without mercy. And I would be incredibly aggressive/outraged if town didn't do that.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:38 pm
by Hyena
Is there a DVC, or did I destroy the chance of there ever being one with my role? XD

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:39 pm
by Justplayingitcool
Dyslexicon wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:37 pm I even wrote “I accept with a heavy heart” when I accepted the bargain. I knew it was wrong. But in the end, we didn’t quite get there.

Only five mafia was a bit of a surprise.
it probably makes sense now actually. 5 mafia and two evil third parties

7 out of 27. roughly 25% non-town which is usually how much it is

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:39 pm
by Hyena
Alison wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:38 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:37 pm I even wrote “I accept with a heavy heart” when I accepted the bargain. I knew it was wrong. But in the end, we didn’t quite get there.

Only five mafia was a bit of a surprise.
If I was town there I would accept the bargain and turbo the 3P the next day without mercy. And I would be incredibly aggressive/outraged if town didn't do that.
I would have helped you. I was pisssssed that people didn't want to chop you D1.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:39 pm
by Alison
I usually am pretty harsh on exeing 3Ps if I'm town to be honest. For instance I exe survivor claims on policy. If I was town here I would have been really forceful in trying to get you to exe 3P because helping 3P win is strictly suboptimal and sentiment is bad etc.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:40 pm
by Sloonei

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:40 pm
by MartinGG99
idk about all you guys but....

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:40 pm
by Justplayingitcool
oh well, i had fun

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:40 pm
by hollowkatt
Alison wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:39 pm I usually am pretty harsh on exeing 3Ps if I'm town to be honest. For instance I exe survivor claims on policy. If I was town here I would have been really forceful in trying to get you to exe 3P because helping 3P win is strictly suboptimal and sentiment is bad etc.
Yeah, that's probably a good general plan

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:40 pm
by MartinGG99
HECK YESSSSS I WAS RIGHT ON MY TOWNREADS :D

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:40 pm
by Alison
I thought I would be turbo'd when 112 flipped hostile 3P with a very similar win condition to mine. I also thought I would be mech outed by the no exe plan - those were close shaves. TSP violating the post restriction and getting modkilled (which is what I assumed happened?) was good for me also.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 9]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:41 pm
by Justplayingitcool
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:24 pm Image

Some new stuff for the site record books.

Highest combined post count for any single game ever.

tutuu had the highest single game post count ever.

JPIC had the 3rd-highest single game post count ever.

Michelle lands 6th I believe.

10 players overall with 1,000+ posts, which I believe more than doubles the total instances of 1,000 post games in site history (or at least it's close).
I accept cash as a prize

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:41 pm
by MartinGG99
gg everyone

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:41 pm
by Alison
hollowkatt wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:40 pm
Alison wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:39 pm I usually am pretty harsh on exeing 3Ps if I'm town to be honest. For instance I exe survivor claims on policy. If I was town here I would have been really forceful in trying to get you to exe 3P because helping 3P win is strictly suboptimal and sentiment is bad etc.
Yeah, that's probably a good general plan
Yeah town should pretty much ~never help 3Ps out unless it really really benefits them for seriously low risk. Open setups might work for this scenario, maybe. Closed setups, never.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:41 pm
by dunya
Hyena wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:38 pm Is there a DVC, or did I destroy the chance of there ever being one with my role? XD
No players in there tho

https://discord.gg/BEVwX3JKez

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:41 pm
by Dyslexicon
Alison wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:36 pm I will say that this game was interesting because it involved me making heavy use of two tactics that I almost never use as scum: hard afking for long stretches of time and lots of AtE. I do think it demonstrates why sentiment has no place in a game of deception and Dizzy was right to say that town shouldn't be letting a 3P win just out of gratitude or emotion when it might sabotage their own win condition.
I guess I’m as anti-sentimental when it comes to games as you. =p

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:42 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
On the scale of sloonei/nanook mafia team collapses this was a solid 6/7

Pretty good but we've done better

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:43 pm
by Justplayingitcool
We had a crazy amount of clears

how annoying

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:43 pm
by Alison
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:42 pm On the scale of sloonei/nanook mafia team collapses this was a solid 6/7

Pretty good but we've done better
I was really sad you guys died, I wanted you to stick around to keep town distracted until I won. I was kinda scared I'd get nightkilled early for being a power role dispenser though which is why I made such a point about refusing to help town solve and being as afk as possible.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:43 pm
by Made
Alison wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:39 pm I usually am pretty harsh on exeing 3Ps if I'm town to be honest. For instance I exe survivor claims on policy. If I was town here I would have been really forceful in trying to get you to exe 3P because helping 3P win is strictly suboptimal and sentiment is bad etc.
I'm not sure. Like if you were telling the truth, it would of been optimal play I think. Big if in a closed setup game, but still. Like if you could of won with town, then bringing you to lylo/mylo is always good for a strong town.

The issue I think was the trust and assumptions town made of the set up

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:44 pm
by Syn
oh yeah

jack/tsp

was that a mod kill? like legit?

if so I kinda feel like that was my fault since I'm the one who pointed out the quoting...

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:44 pm
by Justplayingitcool
I am a bit salty about the modkill tbh

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:44 pm
by Sloonei
Wait til you guys see how dedicated our plan was in scum chat.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:44 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Alison wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:43 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:42 pm On the scale of sloonei/nanook mafia team collapses this was a solid 6/7

Pretty good but we've done better
I was really sad you guys died, I wanted you to stick around to keep town distracted until I won. I was kinda scared I'd get nightkilled early for being a power role dispenser though which is why I made such a point about refusing to help town solve and being as afk as possible.
Yeah we had way bigger problems to worry about with NKs than you lolol

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:45 pm
by Alison
Made wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:43 pm
Alison wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:39 pm I usually am pretty harsh on exeing 3Ps if I'm town to be honest. For instance I exe survivor claims on policy. If I was town here I would have been really forceful in trying to get you to exe 3P because helping 3P win is strictly suboptimal and sentiment is bad etc.
I'm not sure. Like if you were telling the truth, it would of been optimal play I think. Big if in a closed setup game, but still. Like if you could of won with town, then bringing you to lylo/mylo is always good for a strong town.

The issue I think was the trust and assumptions town made of the set up
Well optimal play would be to drag me as late as possible to squeeze max value out of my bargains and then exe me the moment before I won.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:45 pm
by Dyslexicon
Alison wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:40 pm I thought I would be turbo'd when 112 flipped hostile 3P with a very similar win condition to mine. I also thought I would be mech outed by the no exe plan - those were close shaves. TSP violating the post restriction and getting modkilled (which is what I assumed happened?) was good for me also.
I actually think that helped you. It made it slightly likelier the other was benign imo.

But in the end I just knew we were all town and nothing else made sense.

I’m a bit disappointed I wasn’t able to be more direct or bossy with it. I’m noisy, but not so directory. Something to improve, but it’s also just my personality.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:45 pm
by Sloonei
Alison wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:43 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:42 pm On the scale of sloonei/nanook mafia team collapses this was a solid 6/7

Pretty good but we've done better
I was really sad you guys died, I wanted you to stick around to keep town distracted until I won. I was kinda scared I'd get nightkilled early for being a power role dispenser though which is why I made such a point about refusing to help town solve and being as afk as possible.
We were full on rooting for you by Day 3.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:46 pm
by Dyslexicon
BUT more importantly, wtf happened to Wilgy’s result??? -=p

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:46 pm
by Alison
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:44 pm Wait til you guys see how dedicated our plan was in scum chat.
Dunia told me it was private :(