The Syndicate

I don't really understand why syndicate is so cuddly to 3ps but we should probably stop it

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:43 pm We had a crazy amount of clears

how annoying

I think the general takeaway here is this: If everyone alive seems really really town, kill the claimed not town person.

Gg! Good night!

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:46 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:43 pm We had a crazy amount of clears

how annoying

I think the general takeaway here is this: If everyone alive seems really really town, kill the claimed not town person.

Shocking. =p

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:45 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:40 pm I thought I would be turbo'd when 112 flipped hostile 3P with a very similar win condition to mine. I also thought I would be mech outed by the no exe plan - those were close shaves. TSP violating the post restriction and getting modkilled (which is what I assumed happened?) was good for me also.

I actually think that helped you. It made it slightly likelier the other was benign imo.

But in the end I just knew we were all town and nothing else made sense.

I’m a bit disappointed I wasn’t able to be more direct or bossy with it. I’m noisy, but not so directory. Something to improve, but it’s also just my personality.

I wish you had been more bossy, at least towards me. ;-; I probably would've listened to you more. Sorry again for tunneling so much.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:46 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:43 pm We had a crazy amount of clears

how annoying

I think the general takeaway here is this: If everyone alive seems really really town, kill the claimed not town person.

town gonna town

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:45 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:40 pm I thought I would be turbo'd when 112 flipped hostile 3P with a very similar win condition to mine. I also thought I would be mech outed by the no exe plan - those were close shaves. TSP violating the post restriction and getting modkilled (which is what I assumed happened?) was good for me also.

I actually think that helped you. It made it slightly likelier the other was benign imo.

But in the end I just knew we were all town and nothing else made sense.

I’m a bit disappointed I wasn’t able to be more direct or bossy with it. I’m noisy, but not so directory. Something to improve, but it’s also just my personality.

If I was town I'd have been screaming blue murder. I hate it when people do blatantly suboptimal things for no good reason, especially when those things affect my win con. I'd probably just spew out a stream of monologues about game theory and hard order people to do things my way. That's just my style though - I won't claim it's the only way that works. Possibly a softer touch would have worked this game since I think people got a lil sus of you for pushing so hard against the "plan".

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:45 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:43 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:39 pm I usually am pretty harsh on exeing 3Ps if I'm town to be honest. For instance I exe survivor claims on policy. If I was town here I would have been really forceful in trying to get you to exe 3P because helping 3P win is strictly suboptimal and sentiment is bad etc.

I'm not sure. Like if you were telling the truth, it would of been optimal play I think. Big if in a closed setup game, but still. Like if you could of won with town, then bringing you to lylo/mylo is always good for a strong town.

The issue I think was the trust and assumptions town made of the set up

Well optimal play would be to drag me as late as possible to squeeze max value out of my bargains and then exe me the moment before I won.

with perfect info, yeah. You still sold it very well. You're technique this game doesn't work without you

Also yes I shot HK because he was tracked nowhere, didn't seem like the kind of slot that would gift me a free win out of sentiment, and wasn't a bargainee.

I wish I had been in a position to make more noise when 112 flipped.

Mafia gossip chat https://discord.gg/AEvW85Nyxk

I was fully ready to blast Tim's ass to kingdom come because I suspected he might snipe me at night. Luckily he died before then.

Fun fact, dunia and Epi double checked with me whether I read my role card correctly because they thought I was under the impression I was benign.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:50 pm Also yes I shot HK because he was tracked nowhere, didn't seem like the kind of slot that would gift me a free win out of sentiment, and wasn't a bargainee.

yeah, arguably the best shot you could take

Did I say chop Alison or did I not say that

(I did in fact say that)

Best moment of the game Jack only realizing he's a town cop d4 after nutella revives him. Lmao.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:55 pm Best moment of the game Jack only realizing he's a town cop d3 after nutella revives him. Lmao.

God yeah that was really something


And then it meant everyone knew the quote thing immediately making Sloonei outed, whereas if jack had used it before his role flipped he'd have to convince people

lol, all the dead people wanted me dead because of my role preventing DVC from existing

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:55 pm Best moment of the game Jack only realizing he's a town cop d3 after nutella revives him. Lmao.

The number of people that didn't submit night actions was crazy btw. I mean it happens to everyone - I did it once myself - but there were so many in the same game. Yeesh.

I am the greatest gambler. didn't lose a bet once

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:53 pm Fun fact, dunia and Epi double checked with me whether I read my role card correctly because they thought I was under the impression I was benign.

Spoiler: show

dunia — 02/09/2021
i just wanted to make sure
A/I/R — 02/09/2021
yes?
dunia — 02/09/2021
you know that you win alone?
A/I/R — 02/09/2021
yes
dunia — 02/09/2021
ok!
A/I/R — 02/09/2021
I'm going to tell them I'll side with town
dunia — 02/09/2021
me and epi just wondered
A/I/R — 02/09/2021
and then they'll let me fulfil my win condition
and then I'll win alone and everyone else loses
it'll be great
unless I die of course

Protip: If someone in an Epi designed mafia game says "Guys I just gotta xyz leave me alone so I can get a free win," where claiming is legal, it's a lie.

I saw what Alison did and could not believe that was tolerated.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:58 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:53 pm Fun fact, dunia and Epi double checked with me whether I read my role card correctly because they thought I was under the impression I was benign.

Spoiler: show

dunia — 02/09/2021
i just wanted to make sure
A/I/R — 02/09/2021
yes?
dunia — 02/09/2021
you know that you win alone?
A/I/R — 02/09/2021
yes
dunia — 02/09/2021
ok!
A/I/R — 02/09/2021
I'm going to tell them I'll side with town
dunia — 02/09/2021
me and epi just wondered
A/I/R — 02/09/2021
and then they'll let me fulfil my win condition
and then I'll win alone and everyone else loses
it'll be great
unless I die of course

Protip: If someone in an Epi designed mafia game says "Guys I just gotta xyz leave me alone so I can get a free win," where claiming is legal, it's a lie.

I saw what Alison did and could not believe that was tolerated.

I was surprised too. I gave myself I think 15% chance of winning at the start of the game. I even thought about playing normally and trying to pretend to be town, but I didn't have a team - one rolecop or parity cop and I'm dead. Plus if I play too townie I get shot by the mafia and if I play too scummy I get shot by town. So I said fuck it, I'll gamble the game on an afk strat and pray to god they don't notice.

Tfw you were mentioned more times than some actual players in the game but only to roast how bad a dog name you were

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:51 pm I was fully ready to blast Tim's ass to kingdom come because I suspected he might snipe me at night. Luckily he died before then.

If I made it to N9 you were the target, yes.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:00 pm Tfw you were mentioned more times than some actual players in the game but only to roast how bad a dog name you were

Hahahaha

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:44 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:43 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:42 pm On the scale of sloonei/nanook mafia team collapses this was a solid 6/7

Pretty good but we've done better

I was really sad you guys died, I wanted you to stick around to keep town distracted until I won. I was kinda scared I'd get nightkilled early for being a power role dispenser though which is why I made such a point about refusing to help town solve and being as afk as possible.

Yeah we had way bigger problems to worry about with NKs than you lolol

I searched the mafia chat and you did bring me up as a possible NK target! I was really frightened of getting shot - I requested night action redirection for the first few days and only started redirecting votes when it was clear mafia couldn't afford to shoot someone that wasn't town.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:03 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:44 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:43 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:42 pm On the scale of sloonei/nanook mafia team collapses this was a solid 6/7

Pretty good but we've done better

I was really sad you guys died, I wanted you to stick around to keep town distracted until I won. I was kinda scared I'd get nightkilled early for being a power role dispenser though which is why I made such a point about refusing to help town solve and being as afk as possible.

Yeah we had way bigger problems to worry about with NKs than you lolol

I searched the mafia chat and you did bring me up as a possible NK target! I was really frightened of getting shot - I requested night action redirection for the first few days and only started redirecting votes when it was clear mafia couldn't afford to shoot someone that wasn't town.

Yeah but

Idt we would've settled on you cause town was too big a threat for us to not try and kill them lol

Day 1 was fun because everyone was so serious about their dissection of the definite multiball setup we were playing, but us Cool Kids were sitting there in full knowledge that we were the only mafia team.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:02 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:51 pm I was fully ready to blast Tim's ass to kingdom come because I suspected he might snipe me at night. Luckily he died before then.

If I made it to N9 you were the target, yes.

I had to zip my lips about a few things that I thought were really obvious through this game but that I didn't want to say because, well, it didn't benefit me to do so. One was that Martin was super obvtown. The other was that rebelling against authority was a towntell for you. See Radiohead (town), where you pulled the same "we're getting played shut the POE down and dismantle the towncore" line after a strong town opening versus Simpsons Mafia (scum), where you went along with a horrific bad POE for 3 days.

Between Space Invaders, Mysterious Universe, Shadow Corridors and this game, I'm probably going to get policy executed every time town does well at the start but the game drags on for longer than expected.

Was sorta speccing this for a while. Actually read the first 50 pages straight before I started skipping, proud of that.

So many people forgot night actions that I legit thought it was a mechanic.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:07 pm Was sorta speccing this for a while. Actually read the first 50 pages straight before I started skipping, proud of that.

So many people forgot night actions that I legit thought it was a mechanic.

wow, so did the last 345 pages bore you or something!?

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:48 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:45 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:40 pm I thought I would be turbo'd when 112 flipped hostile 3P with a very similar win condition to mine. I also thought I would be mech outed by the no exe plan - those were close shaves. TSP violating the post restriction and getting modkilled (which is what I assumed happened?) was good for me also.

I actually think that helped you. It made it slightly likelier the other was benign imo.

But in the end I just knew we were all town and nothing else made sense.

I’m a bit disappointed I wasn’t able to be more direct or bossy with it. I’m noisy, but not so directory. Something to improve, but it’s also just my personality.

I wish you had been more bossy, at least towards me. ;-; I probably would've listened to you more. Sorry again for tunneling so much.

No worries. <3

To be honest, it’s really tough for town to make the leap to “3p inherited the NK” when it’s a hidden mechanic.

Where I’ve seen it before, it’s announced that 3p inherits if mafia dies in the OP, so it’s not a strange leap you have to make.

Ironically, I did what you said, Hyena, and solved independently of mech, and looked around and came to the conclusion that we were all just town. Town who really wanted to sacrifice and be nice to Alison lol

i can't believe how long this game ended up being, tbh. It was nearly two radioheads.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:07 pm Was sorta speccing this for a while. Actually read the first 50 pages straight before I started skipping, proud of that.

So many people forgot night actions that I legit thought it was a mechanic.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:09 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:07 pm Was sorta speccing this for a while. Actually read the first 50 pages straight before I started skipping, proud of that.

So many people forgot night actions that I legit thought it was a mechanic.

A little too late to out don't you think?

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:07 pm Was sorta speccing this for a while. Actually read the first 50 pages straight before I started skipping, proud of that.

So many people forgot night actions that I legit thought it was a mechanic.

You read more pages than me.

but really, i'm glad you were entertained by the spectacle, c4! I've never had more fun getting steamrolled.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:24 pm

Some new stuff for the site record books.

Highest combined post count for any single game ever.

tutuu had the highest single game post count ever.

JPIC had the 3rd-highest single game post count ever.

Michelle lands 6th I believe.

10 players overall with 1,000+ posts, which I believe more than doubles the total instances of 1,000 post games in site history (or at least it's close).

Must be record-breaking season.

Longest (This Game) and shortest game (Simple Arsonist) ever completed within a few weeks of each other.

[in terms of post count]

We now go live to field-level with Champion Alison:

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:10 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:07 pm Was sorta speccing this for a while. Actually read the first 50 pages straight before I started skipping, proud of that.

So many people forgot night actions that I legit thought it was a mechanic.

You read more pages than me.

I agree with the things you point out, Alison. Martin obvious town. How come we are never town together? Space invaders, lion king and now this? Rude.

Jack not realising he was a cop was the funniest thing in this game

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:09 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:48 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:45 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:40 pm I thought I would be turbo'd when 112 flipped hostile 3P with a very similar win condition to mine. I also thought I would be mech outed by the no exe plan - those were close shaves. TSP violating the post restriction and getting modkilled (which is what I assumed happened?) was good for me also.

I actually think that helped you. It made it slightly likelier the other was benign imo.

But in the end I just knew we were all town and nothing else made sense.

I’m a bit disappointed I wasn’t able to be more direct or bossy with it. I’m noisy, but not so directory. Something to improve, but it’s also just my personality.

I wish you had been more bossy, at least towards me. ;-; I probably would've listened to you more. Sorry again for tunneling so much.

No worries. <3

To be honest, it’s really tough for town to make the leap to “3p inherited the NK” when it’s a hidden mechanic.

Where I’ve seen it before, it’s announced that 3p inherits if mafia dies in the OP, so it’s not a strange leap you have to make.

Ironically, I did what you said, Hyena, and solved independently of mech, and looked around and came to the conclusion that we were all just town. Town who really wanted to sacrifice and be nice to Alison lol

I actually did notice that you did near the end, particularly while I was still being stubborn and thinking you could still be scum. That's another reason why I didn't want to argue against the points you were making when JPIC was asking me to. I was just so tired. I promise I'll try to be more cooperative the next time we play together. <3

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:11 pm but really, i'm glad you were entertained by the spectacle, c4! I've never had more fun getting steamrolled.

So do you guys... usually start whole DnD games in the middle of your mafia?

I love the concept of measuring game length in radioheads. I think I prefer games that are like just below half a radiohead.

Also, I'm slightly dismayed that I wasn't given more credit for my hard-defends in scum/spec chat >:(

I'm joking. Kinda. But seriously! I'm glad that I prolonged a mis-yeet to happening much later and the other never got deleted.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:11 pm I agree with the things you point out, Alison. Martin obvious town. How come we are never town together? Space invaders, lion king and now this? Rude.

Host rerands the game every time that happens because it's too unbalanced.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:09 pm i can't believe how long this game ended up being, tbh. It was nearly two radioheads.

It was too long. That's really the main reason why I was getting cranky in the end. I don't think I would've gotten this frustrated if we were able to, like, hammer our way to D9 quicker. All that extra time during the day just killed me.