The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote:Motel Room surely has not done enough to turn orange, has he?

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Elohcin-Ricochet-Dom-???

I'm operating on that theory right now.

How does MP look?

Ricochet wrote:So I can't have my policy lynch for once, got it. Glad it's been a non-issue in the past when players pull it for truly shallow/salty reasons, but when I do it out of principle and self-prez, stop the presses.

Damn if I play serious and, as far as recent stats have shown, get remove before seeing another daylight, damn if I don't.

I agree with Epig and INH thoughts that this matter is also Catch22ish, since it's something the mafia could weave, but hopefully the mafia will seek its own agenda after how D1 events shape up, in case Mac's not a part of it, or even if he is, they might choose not to follow his disdain-filled agenda. So projecting how the Mafia will behave is as loose as ever, at this point.

Yes, there's no high degree of helpfulness to this method. It's a declared policy lynch, which is never as substantiated as squuezing neurons to read into a player for mafia tells. And it's personal, which I also never denied.

One thing I can disagree with is that this crayons me bad in any way. If I were part of the mafia team, I'd have nothing to fear about getting killed... by the mafia. If I were mafia and lnew Mac is town, my retribution could easily take another form, without any mention in the thread obviously. As for the ideas of either framing or bussing Mac, they'd seem highly ineffectual as long-term plotting. And I'm a long-term kind of strategist.

So yeah, one could say this basically clears me as town. You're welcome, PoE makers.

insertnamehere wrote:

Epignosis wrote:If MacDougall can't kill you, then he can't kill you. And if he can kill you, all he has to do is...refrain from doing so. If you were good, you've opened yourself up to being killed to set up MacDougall.

Not helpful.

This.

Rico has set up a very risky system here. He's intentionally put a massive target on his back. If neither Rico or Mac are bad, all the mafia has to do is kill Rico, and they get a free lynch of Mac. This same logic gives Mac a smokescreen to hide behind if he is, in fact, bad. In both scenarios, Rico = Dead N1.

It seems like such a categorically poor move for Rico that it essentially leaves me with two options. A. He has some sort of secret info or an ulterior motive for voting Mac Day 1. B. He knows for sure that the target on his back won't hurt him because he's scum.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Motel Room surely has not done enough to turn orange, has he?

He has been here on Day 1 unlike the yellow people. He didn't do anything.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Motel Room surely has not done enough to turn orange, has he?

He has been here on Day 1 unlike the yellow people. He didn't do anything.

Sloonei wrote: I do not see your policy lynch on Mac as being anything different from the "truly salty" reasons you allude to here. I do not see this as a self-preserving move. I see it more as a paranoid move. You fear that Macdougall might nightkill you. Any player might nightkill you, and Macdougall might nightkill any player. Your reasoning then is just a bizarre paranoia about a particular player, and this seems to stem from what happened in a previous game. Thus salt. You've provided the reasons why you feel this way but they do not justify the idea of a policy lynch, yet you seem to be acting like everyone should just let it slide or even join in with you. I'm not gonna do that.

Sloonei wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Yes, there's no high degree of helpfulness to this method. It's a declared policy lynch, which is never as substantiated as squuezing neurons to read into a player for mafia tells. And it's personal, which I also never denied.

Then why make this your opening play?

Sloonei wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

One thing I can disagree with is that this crayons me bad in any way. If I were part of the mafia team, I'd have nothing to fear about getting killed... by the mafia. If I were mafia and lnew Mac is town, my retribution could easily take another form, without any mention in the thread obviously. As for the ideas of either framing or bussing Mac, they'd seem highly ineffectual as long-term plotting. And I'm a long-term kind of strategist.

So yeah, one could say this basically clears me as town. You're welcome, PoE makers.

"If I were mafia, I'd..." is WIFOM Central. I think there is plenty of reason to speculate about you at this point in the game, and I don't think denying it is doing you any favors.

MacDougall wrote:My job in that game as selected by dice roll was to kill people not in my faction and survive. Killing you was my right and duty.

In this game assuming you are a civ your job is to find bad guys and lynch them. Something you are utterly failing at right now both literally and figuratively.

Thank you to everyone who wished my Mum a speedy recovery - we think she's on her way to one so for now, I'm good to go with this game. I sincerely appreciate the support you gave me

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Glorfindel, how do you feel about MacDougall now that he has provided a number of posts?

Ricochet wrote:

MacDougall wrote:My job in that game as selected by dice roll was to kill people not in my faction and survive. Killing you was my right and duty.

In this game assuming you are a civ your job is to find bad guys and lynch them. Something you are utterly failing at right now both literally and figuratively.

My God, it's as if policy lynch is an alien concept to you.

there's no hunting in it

there's just the desire to remove the threat of you being bad again and activate your purging once more

Ricochet wrote:

MacDougall wrote:My job in that game as selected by dice roll was to kill people not in my faction and survive. Killing you was my right and duty.

In this game assuming you are a civ your job is to find bad guys and lynch them. Something you are utterly failing at right now both literally and figuratively.

My God, it's as if policy lynch is an alien concept to you.

there's no hunting in it

there's just the desire to remove the threat of you being bad again and activate your purging once more

Glorfindel wrote:Thank you to everyone who wished my Mum a speedy recovery - we think she's on her way to one so for now, I'm good to go with this game. I sincerely appreciate the support you gave me

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Glorfindel, how do you feel about MacDougall now that he has provided a number of posts?

Jay, I'm looking at it this way; a random lynching of any player has (by my calculations) a 21% chance of success. It is Day 1 and we have nothing concrete so far to suggest that anyone is necessarily more suspect than anyone else (in my opinion at least) - a fact borne out by the badly fragmented voting sheet we have right now. Mac is a very good player and we witnessed the damage of which he was capable as Mafia last game. I voted for him the Day phase before he NK'd me then and I'm voting for him again now. Certainly, I'm happy to (and will certainly continue to) consider other options before the end of this Day phase but for now, I'm satisfied to leave my vote where it is.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:Thank you to everyone who wished my Mum a speedy recovery - we think she's on her way to one so for now, I'm good to go with this game. I sincerely appreciate the support you gave me

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Glorfindel, how do you feel about MacDougall now that he has provided a number of posts?

Jay, I'm looking at it this way; a random lynching of any player has (by my calculations) a 21% chance of success. It is Day 1 and we have nothing concrete so far to suggest that anyone is necessarily more suspect than anyone else (in my opinion at least) - a fact borne out by the badly fragmented voting sheet we have right now. Mac is a very good player and we witnessed the damage of which he was capable as Mafia last game. I voted for him the Day phase before he NK'd me then and I'm voting for him again now. Certainly, I'm happy to (and will certainly continue to) consider other options before the end of this Day phase but for now, I'm satisfied to leave my vote where it is.

I agree that Mac is a strong player and when he is bad that's a difficult challenge for the opposing town to face. What I don't understand though is why that means anything on this Day 1. Is he actually suspicious to you? Do you feel he is more likely than most other players to be bad right now, or just as likely?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Sorry to hear about your mom, Glorfindel. Wishing the best!

I'll hop on the MacDougall policy lynch. Why not?

Let's start with "why". What's the policy behind your vote to lynch Mac?

Shits and giggles.

MacDougall wrote:MP if you are voting for me for shits and giggles or to see a reaction from me then posting it kind of nullifies any pointed post I could make. Yet again you are bad in a game I am in.

Ricochet's "policy lynch" is based on the fact that I policy night killed him in the previous game. That won't be happening here by virtue of the fact that I do not have the power of night kills.

Glorfindel is probably also voting for me because I night killed him last game.

S~V~S wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Well, you're here now, so I'm switching to BWT.

Oh so you're applying the Scotty philosophy this game.

We can lynch you D1 instead of Scotty, then.

Go for it.

I'll let the others. Mac is top priority afaic.

You're scared.

As long as Mac lives, yes.

Regardless of affiliation?

Ricochet wrote:

S~V~S wrote:So you are saying that he makes you so paranoid that you cannot deal with him being alive without factual knowledge that he is a civ?

I am.

insertnamehere wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

S~V~S wrote:So you are saying that he makes you so paranoid that you cannot deal with him being alive without factual knowledge that he is a civ?

I am.

What, pray tell, makes Mac such a devious player, that we must lynch him Day 1 every game just to get him out of the way?

MacDougall wrote:I already said Sloonei was bad.

Glorfindel wrote:I see what you're getting at, Jay. There's a few players that I feel reasonably good about so far (and Mac is certainly not one of them) so in my mind, that increases the odds that he may be bad. I know this is a different game to our last one but I trust you'll forgive me for being once bitten, twice shy...

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I already said Sloonei was bad.

Why

Ricochet wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:As an expert in the subject of Macdougall. Ricochet reads me well anyway so why he needs to lynch me before he can read me I do not know. I fancy he is just making content.

At this point I'd agree with that assessment.

At this point you are clearly just throwing out sentences. There is no solid history evidence to back up that assessment.

linki: except I wasn't an arbitrary target. You've profiled me quite specifically. And it was that very specificity, not the kill itself nor anything else, that "hurt my feelings", if anything.

It is exactly this that lead me to the current policy lynch. Not my fault you've accidentally locked yourself into it.

Explain this please. I'm entitled to my perspective.

Well you should also back it up, since it's based on something the player has implied to be accurate from past games.

Eh? I don't think we're seeing eye to eye here. I was merely expressing agreement that it seemed like you were trying to generate content.

...

Yes, that's the hypothesis. Based on the implication that all I'd need to do to hunt Mac is just that, given a good history of "reading him well". But that implication is false.

So how can you merely express agreement at something not backed up by its logic?

S~V~S wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
What's the profile exactly? I must have missed something here.

"I'm killing the people who I hate playing against.'

Oh, I see. Clearly I was missing some important context here. So the basis for your policy lynch vote is essentially self-preservation, am I right?

Yes.

On Day One with no indication of alignment? On Day Zero?

Ricochet wrote:Modkill MacDougall, send reminders to the others.

You know how to Mafia, Rico. I am not liking this, you are not a fear based player. Not sure if it makes you bad, but I am still not liking this. The fact that you were trying to get rid of him before the game even really got going is giving me the heebies. The first thing that comes to mind is you are teamies and you threw him under the bus in case he did not show. And when he did, you had to keep it going. As a matter of fact the first thing that came to my mind was that all the Mac votes were his teammates.

Wrench in that theory is that Mac has not said much that makes me think he is actually bad. So I could be reading into it, I am rusty.

MacDougall wrote:Rico does whacky shit on day 1. This time his whacky thing is to try to policy lynch me. Moving on. Sloonei is bad.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Ricochet my man, you only need two words to explain yourself:

"I'm salty."

Let's not pretend this is strategic in any way. Just look how much time you've already spent arguing about what happened at a different lounge! Get with the program my man, we're here now, this is Neil Hartley's show. It's a new evening and it's still young!

Dom wrote:I do not suspect Elohcin.

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I moved my vote to someone with no votes.

Rico's an interesting choice and I refuse to believe it's random or arbitrary. Tell me why.

MacDougall wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Elohcin-Ricochet-Dom-???

I'm operating on that theory right now.

Go on?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Neil Hartley is a man of action. I'm going to let you all know how I feel, because feeling it everything in my line of work baby. Don't you worry about the exact order, just look at the tiers.

Spoiler: show

Dom
S~V~S

Epignosis
insertnamehere
MacDougall
LoRab
Ricochet
Sloonei

birdwithteeth11
DrWilgy
sanmateo

a2thezebra
Glorfindel
motel room
MovingPictures07
Scotty
sprityo

Elohcin

MacDougall wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

MacDougall wrote:My job in that game as selected by dice roll was to kill people not in my faction and survive. Killing you was my right and duty.

In this game assuming you are a civ your job is to find bad guys and lynch them. Something you are utterly failing at right now both literally and figuratively.

My God, it's as if policy lynch is an alien concept to you.

there's no hunting in it

there's just the desire to remove the threat of you being bad again and activate your purging once more

Actually it's just that your idea of a policy lynch is dumb even excluding that I am your target.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:I see what you're getting at, Jay. There's a few players that I feel reasonably good about so far (and Mac is certainly not one of them) so in my mind, that increases the odds that he may be bad. I know this is a different game to our last one but I trust you'll forgive me for being once bitten, twice shy...

I'm no stranger to process of elimination, so that's well and good. Which players do you feel reasonably good about and why?

Ricochet wrote:@Neil

I'm willing to do an experiment at any time, even in this game. PM me if you are not in the mood to "face me". I'm dead serious. It will remain confidential, my feelings will not get hurt in any way, I'll replace immediately, I won't lose anything and I'll go back to my busy RL. I'm tired of devoting serious time even for 48 hours, only to get removed for it and nothing else.

Or I'll play like chichkenshit, which frankly some of you have already seen me do. Facing me is suddenly not so much of a problem anymore, in that case.

a2thezebra wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

S~V~S wrote:So you are saying that he makes you so paranoid that you cannot deal with him being alive without factual knowledge that he is a civ?

I am.

This feels like forced bluntless mixed with unnecessary contrarianism. Knowing Ricochet that could be just for fun but I don't like it.

Ricochet wrote:Where's the "contrarianism"?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Zebra, I oranged you by default for having been present without doing anything that gave me a warm fuzzy.

I like your stuff today though.

Ricochet wrote:So I can't have my policy lynch for once, got it. Glad it's been a non-issue in the past when players pull it for truly shallow/salty reasons, but when I do it out of principle and self-prez, stop the presses.

Damn if I play serious and, as far as recent stats have shown, get remove before seeing another daylight, damn if I don't.

I agree with Epig and INH thoughts that this matter is also Catch22ish, since it's something the mafia could weave, but hopefully the mafia will seek its own agenda after how D1 events shape up, in case Mac's not a part of it, or even if he is, they might choose not to follow his disdain-filled agenda. So projecting how the Mafia will behave is as loose as ever, at this point.

Yes, there's no high degree of helpfulness to this method. It's a declared policy lynch, which is never as substantiated as squuezing neurons to read into a player for mafia tells. And it's personal, which I also never denied.

One thing I can disagree with is that this crayons me bad in any way. If I were part of the mafia team, I'd have nothing to fear about getting killed... by the mafia. If I were mafia and lnew Mac is town, my retribution could easily take another form, without any mention in the thread obviously. As for the ideas of either framing or bussing Mac, they'd seem highly ineffectual as long-term plotting. And I'm a long-term kind of strategist.

So yeah, one could say this basically clears me as town. You're welcome, PoE makers.

a2thezebra wrote:Or more specifically, your willingness to acknowledge that that is indeed your fringe opinion and still act like it's in any way logical.

Scotty wrote:What dingbat planned a show with a 6:30p curtain? I have 5 min before we start, but I appreciate Rico': approach.

I also get a tonal read of Mp as a "non-offensive poser with a capital P.
SVS, while I appreciate her soft defending of me, comes off as too nice right now.

I'd still be down to vote someone like bwt though... unless he posts more

and I'm sorry to hear that Glorf!!

S~V~S wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Don't get what's confusing about that, S~V~S. Self-preservation goal implies to prevent something for your own good. What better way to counter the odds of Mac being bad and getting even to Night 1 and try to make his team eliminate me, because I'm one of the players he doesn't like playing against?

And that Day Zero comment of mine was by far the jokey one, due to context of G-Man calling out to those who haven't even read their PMs. I would have started Day One the same way, regardless of any Day Zero chatter or banter.

Do you have any reason to actually think he is bad?

Both you & Mac posted after me, yet neither of you addressed the "throwing each other under a bus" aspect of my post, which tbh is the thing I most expected a reaction to. The main thing that is making me think I could be seriously wrong is that everyone else is sitting back and letting me run with this wacky theory.

What do you think of MP?

Linki, I am a very nice lady