The Syndicate

I wish we had changeable votes.

Hey Snow Dog, what's up buddy? Are you bad?

I don't like nachos.

Long Con wrote:Ok, Items... specifically the ones which can be bought, Bananas and Grog. Can more than one be bought at once? If Stan gets the Shovel, then he'll have 30 Po8 (Pieces of Eight). Can he immediately spend 28 Po8 and buy fourteen Grog (at half price) and slam them down on a player, ensuring their lynch? Maybe even better, he could buy a bunch of Bananas, and save them for a rainy day, and never get lynched. It doesn't look like there's any lynch shenanigans among the baddies, so it's all Bananas and Grog.

Only one item may be purchased per night.

Long Con wrote:What exactly do the Pirate Leaders know? What is there that Civvies and/or Cannibals do not know? Maybe they get to know when someone buys something, or the details of Stan's dealings or Carla's fight results.

That's for them to know.

Long Con wrote:Are the Men of Low Moral Fibre just vanilla baddies (with BTSC)?

Maybe.

Long Con wrote:Head of the Navigator - What does it mean to be invisible to ghosts? Just that LeChuck can't kill you?

He cannot be targeted by LeChuck or Bob in any way while he has the necklace.

Long Con wrote:Stan - His role says he can "offer players 2 pieces of eight for an item which they must trade to him." They must. Does that mean he can force the Head of the Navigator to sell his Necklace for 2 Po8? Does Stan have to know they possess the item, asking for a specific one, or is he more like a thief who pays 2 Po8 for whatever they have?

He's more like a thief who pays 2 gold for whatever they have. If they have nothing, he keeps his gold.

Long Con wrote:Meathook - Does he get some sort of info every night?

Some sort, but not necessarily useful.

Snow Dog wrote:I don't like nachos.

Seriously? Man, nachos are a good junk food. I'm not a big chip fan when they don't have anything on them though.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I wish we had changeable votes.

Hey Snow Dog, what's up buddy? Are you bad?

Bad to the bone!

No, are you?

What do you think about MM's claim to have been sent the wrong role?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Looking back over earlier d0-d1 material and I'm really not finding anything but inconclusive fluff. There's just nothing here.

Mostly. I feel comfortable enough with townreads on you/Mac/Quin, which, if they are correct, gives me a 41% chance of hitting a baddie if I throw drunk darts at the rest of the playerlist. I'm pretty good at drunk darts.

Snow Dog wrote:Is it possible to earn gold?

It's possible to obtain gold you don't have, although this being about pirates, I don't know if "earn" is the right verb.

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I wish we had changeable votes.

Hey Snow Dog, what's up buddy? Are you bad?

Bad to the bone!

No, are you?

What do you think about MM's claim to have been sent the wrong role?

I'm not bad either! Let's be friends.

I think he was just fucking around, but he can clarify if not.

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Looking back over earlier d0-d1 material and I'm really not finding anything but inconclusive fluff. There's just nothing here.

Mostly. I feel comfortable enough with townreads on you/Mac/Quin, which, if they are correct, gives me a 41% chance of hitting a baddie if I throw drunk darts at the rest of the playerlist. I'm pretty good at drunk darts.

Yay math!

I can dig the town read on Quin as well. I think I need to see just a bit more from him though; hopefully he can provide more thoughts soon. I also need to see his mafia game. He's a ridiculously solid townie, but I'm not sure I've ever seen him as mafia, which scares me.

DFaraday wrote:Llama:

The role post says the civvies only need Lechuck, Bob, and the Cannibals dead to win. Does that mean the game will end if the other two baddies are still alive?

Also, the civvies need the cannibals dead, but the cannibals can win even if Herman Toothrot and Head of the Navigator are alive. Does this mean that the game will end if any cannibals are alive and only Herman and Head are remaining for the civvies?

I think that's a remnant from an earlier draft of the game. The civvies need the pirates and cannibals dead to win. If only Herman, the Head, and the Cannibals are left alive, the game will end and the cannibals will win.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I wish we had changeable votes.

Hey Snow Dog, what's up buddy? Are you bad?

Bad to the bone!

No, are you?

What do you think about MM's claim to have been sent the wrong role?

I'm not bad either! Let's be friends.

I think he was just fucking around, but he can clarify if not.

I am waiting for him to do that.
We can be friends if you don't try to kill me.

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I wish we had changeable votes.

Hey Snow Dog, what's up buddy? Are you bad?

Bad to the bone!

No, are you?

What do you think about MM's claim to have been sent the wrong role?

I'm not bad either! Let's be friends.

I think he was just fucking around, but he can clarify if not.

I am waiting for him to do that.
We can be friends if you don't try to kill me.

I have no reason to do that... for now.

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I wish we had changeable votes.

Hey Snow Dog, what's up buddy? Are you bad?

Bad to the bone!

No, are you?

What do you think about MM's claim to have been sent the wrong role?

Why do you think that MM's claim about being sent the wrong role has anything to do with his alignment?

MovingPictures07 wrote:I wish we had changeable votes.

And people in Hell want ice water.

I think I got all your questions. Let me know if I missed any.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Looking back over earlier d0-d1 material and I'm really not finding anything but inconclusive fluff. There's just nothing here.

Mostly. I feel comfortable enough with townreads on you/Mac/Quin, which, if they are correct, gives me a 41% chance of hitting a baddie if I throw drunk darts at the rest of the playerlist. I'm pretty good at drunk darts.

Yay math!

I can dig the town read on Quin as well. I think I need to see just a bit more from him though; hopefully he can provide more thoughts soon. I also need to see his mafia game. He's a ridiculously solid townie, but I'm not sure I've ever seen him as mafia, which scares me.

The thing that I like about Quin is the self-vote; not sure he'd do it as mafia when there's a chance he locks down on his vote on himself the entire day and makes himself that much easier to lynch. As town, he's not really expecting to get lynched at all and he doesn't want to fuck over a townie accidentally, so it makes more sense.

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I wish we had changeable votes.

And people in Hell want ice water.

I think I got all your questions. Let me know if I missed any.

votes thellama73

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Looking back over earlier d0-d1 material and I'm really not finding anything but inconclusive fluff. There's just nothing here.

Mostly. I feel comfortable enough with townreads on you/Mac/Quin, which, if they are correct, gives me a 41% chance of hitting a baddie if I throw drunk darts at the rest of the playerlist. I'm pretty good at drunk darts.

Yay math!

I can dig the town read on Quin as well. I think I need to see just a bit more from him though; hopefully he can provide more thoughts soon. I also need to see his mafia game. He's a ridiculously solid townie, but I'm not sure I've ever seen him as mafia, which scares me.

The thing that I like about Quin is the self-vote; not sure he'd do it as mafia when there's a chance he locks down on his vote on himself the entire day and makes himself that much easier to lynch. As town, he's not really expecting to get lynched at all and he doesn't want to fuck over a townie accidentally, so it makes more sense.

There's a lot of WIFOM there, but that makes sense I think.

Snow Dog wrote:I don't like nachos.

Did I do something to offend you?

Yo Boomslang, what's up my man?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Looking back over earlier d0-d1 material and I'm really not finding anything but inconclusive fluff. There's just nothing here.

Mostly. I feel comfortable enough with townreads on you/Mac/Quin, which, if they are correct, gives me a 41% chance of hitting a baddie if I throw drunk darts at the rest of the playerlist. I'm pretty good at drunk darts.

Yay math!

I can dig the town read on Quin as well. I think I need to see just a bit more from him though; hopefully he can provide more thoughts soon. I also need to see his mafia game. He's a ridiculously solid townie, but I'm not sure I've ever seen him as mafia, which scares me.

The thing that I like about Quin is the self-vote; not sure he'd do it as mafia when there's a chance he locks down on his vote on himself the entire day and makes himself that much easier to lynch. As town, he's not really expecting to get lynched at all and he doesn't want to fuck over a townie accidentally, so it makes more sense.

There's a lot of WIFOM there, but that makes sense I think.

I mean if he's scum he's doing it with the expectation that someone will have the same thought process (or because he straight up doesn't give a fuck); seems kind of wonky for him to expect people to think like me and showing that sort of spirit period is the type of thing that at least earns a D1 pass from me, especially in a slow game like this.

Nachomamma8 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I wish we had changeable votes.

Hey Snow Dog, what's up buddy? Are you bad?

Bad to the bone!

No, are you?

What do you think about MM's claim to have been sent the wrong role?

Why do you think that MM's claim about being sent the wrong role has anything to do with his alignment?

I'm just pursuing something that struck me as odd. It probably has nothing to do with his alignment.

Quin wrote:I self-voted for the sake of figuring out whether they're changeable or not. Votes are not changeable.

It seems like there's some disagreement over whether this is a good or bad move. I find it rash; why vote solely for that purpose when there's still over 24 hours of daytime to go? Surely someone else would vote for suspicion reasons in that time, then report as to whether that vote was changeable. My gut says this is a convenient way for Quin to get out of voting for anyone else Day 1, and thus drawing early aggro.

Linki w/ Nacho: See, I take the opposite read here. A self-vote just to self-vote might fit your justification, but Quin's rationale isn't logical to me.
Linki w/MP: What's up is I'm trying to post :P Yeah, the Quin thing is a bit WIFOMy, but I think the explanation pushes it more toward a baddie read.
Linki w/Snow Dog: AHHHH LET ME POST

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Looking back over earlier d0-d1 material and I'm really not finding anything but inconclusive fluff. There's just nothing here.

Mostly. I feel comfortable enough with townreads on you/Mac/Quin, which, if they are correct, gives me a 41% chance of hitting a baddie if I throw drunk darts at the rest of the playerlist. I'm pretty good at drunk darts.

Yay math!

I can dig the town read on Quin as well. I think I need to see just a bit more from him though; hopefully he can provide more thoughts soon. I also need to see his mafia game. He's a ridiculously solid townie, but I'm not sure I've ever seen him as mafia, which scares me.

The thing that I like about Quin is the self-vote; not sure he'd do it as mafia when there's a chance he locks down on his vote on himself the entire day and makes himself that much easier to lynch. As town, he's not really expecting to get lynched at all and he doesn't want to fuck over a townie accidentally, so it makes more sense.

It might be a worthwhile gamble as a baddie so I don't discount it.

Boomslang wrote:

Quin wrote:I self-voted for the sake of figuring out whether they're changeable or not. Votes are not changeable.

It seems like there's some disagreement over whether this is a good or bad move. I find it rash; why vote solely for that purpose when there's still over 24 hours of daytime to go? Surely someone else would vote for suspicion reasons in that time, then report as to whether that vote was changeable. My gut says this is a convenient way for Quin to get out of voting for anyone else Day 1, and thus drawing early aggro.

Linki w/ Nacho: See, I take the opposite read here. A self-vote just to self-vote might fit your justification, but Quin's rationale isn't logical to me.
Linki w/MP: What's up is I'm trying to post :P Yeah, the Quin thing is a bit WIFOMy, but I think the explanation pushes it more toward a baddie read.
Linki w/Snow Dog: AHHHH LET ME POST

Trying to avoid voting someone D1 is not a big deal if you're still expressing suspicion of people; more often than not, people get more perturbed by calling them scummy than they do by simply voting them. A vote is more valuable to mafia early game than town; town don't know shit about shit, while mafia know exactly who they need to lynch to win and so making sure their vote is in a good place should be top priority on their list.

Do you really think Quin is so afraid of voting people as mafia that he decides to vote himself immediately? If that's the case, I can't help but feel he will be a later catch in later days; not like he can test votes again tomorrow.

Snow Dog wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Looking back over earlier d0-d1 material and I'm really not finding anything but inconclusive fluff. There's just nothing here.

Mostly. I feel comfortable enough with townreads on you/Mac/Quin, which, if they are correct, gives me a 41% chance of hitting a baddie if I throw drunk darts at the rest of the playerlist. I'm pretty good at drunk darts.

Yay math!

I can dig the town read on Quin as well. I think I need to see just a bit more from him though; hopefully he can provide more thoughts soon. I also need to see his mafia game. He's a ridiculously solid townie, but I'm not sure I've ever seen him as mafia, which scares me.

The thing that I like about Quin is the self-vote; not sure he'd do it as mafia when there's a chance he locks down on his vote on himself the entire day and makes himself that much easier to lynch. As town, he's not really expecting to get lynched at all and he doesn't want to fuck over a townie accidentally, so it makes more sense.

It might be a worthwhile gamble as a baddie so I don't discount it.

Why is it a worthwhile gamble as a baddie? Do you agree with Boom's reasoning or do you think he was expecting to get townread for it?

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Looking back over earlier d0-d1 material and I'm really not finding anything but inconclusive fluff. There's just nothing here.

Mostly. I feel comfortable enough with townreads on you/Mac/Quin, which, if they are correct, gives me a 41% chance of hitting a baddie if I throw drunk darts at the rest of the playerlist. I'm pretty good at drunk darts.

Yay math!

I can dig the town read on Quin as well. I think I need to see just a bit more from him though; hopefully he can provide more thoughts soon. I also need to see his mafia game. He's a ridiculously solid townie, but I'm not sure I've ever seen him as mafia, which scares me.

The thing that I like about Quin is the self-vote; not sure he'd do it as mafia when there's a chance he locks down on his vote on himself the entire day and makes himself that much easier to lynch. As town, he's not really expecting to get lynched at all and he doesn't want to fuck over a townie accidentally, so it makes more sense.

I thought about none of this when I placed my vote.

@MP, give me until Mad Max ends, then I can double down on this game.

I don't know who I'd vote for. I haven't read as much as I'd have liked. I did get dem good vibes from Eloh before. Her calling out Scotty and not Wilgy was probably a genuine mistake. It seems like a half-assed baddie strategy, at least.

And I'm not telling you or arguing for you to discount anything, to be clear. But, at the end of the day, it's Day 1; you won't get confident reads today. At some point you need to be able to go "okay, I think this is more likely to come from town as opposed to scum" and take a leap of faith.

Quin wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Looking back over earlier d0-d1 material and I'm really not finding anything but inconclusive fluff. There's just nothing here.

Mostly. I feel comfortable enough with townreads on you/Mac/Quin, which, if they are correct, gives me a 41% chance of hitting a baddie if I throw drunk darts at the rest of the playerlist. I'm pretty good at drunk darts.

Yay math!

I can dig the town read on Quin as well. I think I need to see just a bit more from him though; hopefully he can provide more thoughts soon. I also need to see his mafia game. He's a ridiculously solid townie, but I'm not sure I've ever seen him as mafia, which scares me.

The thing that I like about Quin is the self-vote; not sure he'd do it as mafia when there's a chance he locks down on his vote on himself the entire day and makes himself that much easier to lynch. As town, he's not really expecting to get lynched at all and he doesn't want to fuck over a townie accidentally, so it makes more sense.

I thought about none of this when I placed my vote.

@MP, give me until Mad Max ends, then I can double down on this game.

I don't know who I'd vote for. I haven't read as much as I'd have liked. I did get dem good vibes from Eloh before. Her calling out Scotty and not Wilgy was probably a genuine mistake. It seems like a half-assed baddie strategy, at least.

I wouldn't expect you to put much thought into it as town, but I think it'd be a bigger deal if you were scum.
Do you disagree?

I'm liking Boomslang coming into thread and pushing back, though and am excited to see more from him - if he clears himself sufficiently, the probability of a successful drunk darts game jumps up to 44% and I'm one step closer to that elusive 50% (which is probably the best I can hope for at this point in the game).

Snow Dog wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I wish we had changeable votes.

Hey Snow Dog, what's up buddy? Are you bad?

Bad to the bone!

No, are you?

What do you think about MM's claim to have been sent the wrong role?

Why do you think that MM's claim about being sent the wrong role has anything to do with his alignment?

I'm just pursuing something that struck me as odd. It probably has nothing to do with his alignment.

Is there anything odd that you think is alignment-related that's sticking out to you?

Motel Room, did Long Con's posts make you fall asleep?

Nachomamma8 wrote:

Quin wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Looking back over earlier d0-d1 material and I'm really not finding anything but inconclusive fluff. There's just nothing here.

Mostly. I feel comfortable enough with townreads on you/Mac/Quin, which, if they are correct, gives me a 41% chance of hitting a baddie if I throw drunk darts at the rest of the playerlist. I'm pretty good at drunk darts.

Yay math!

I can dig the town read on Quin as well. I think I need to see just a bit more from him though; hopefully he can provide more thoughts soon. I also need to see his mafia game. He's a ridiculously solid townie, but I'm not sure I've ever seen him as mafia, which scares me.

The thing that I like about Quin is the self-vote; not sure he'd do it as mafia when there's a chance he locks down on his vote on himself the entire day and makes himself that much easier to lynch. As town, he's not really expecting to get lynched at all and he doesn't want to fuck over a townie accidentally, so it makes more sense.

I thought about none of this when I placed my vote.

@MP, give me until Mad Max ends, then I can double down on this game.

I don't know who I'd vote for. I haven't read as much as I'd have liked. I did get dem good vibes from Eloh before. Her calling out Scotty and not Wilgy was probably a genuine mistake. It seems like a half-assed baddie strategy, at least.

I wouldn't expect you to put much thought into it as town, but I think it'd be a bigger deal if you were scum.
Do you disagree?

It depends on the person. For me, I generally put thought into everything I do, whether I be good or bad. This was an exception; I just wanted to clear up an important question.

If you were just trying to clear up a question, why not ask the moderator? Why not reread the rules?

MacDougall wrote:I am turning 30 in under 3 hours.

Happy birthday Mac! The 30s aren't so bad.

Hi Golden!
Do you have any thoughts yet?

Nachomamma8 wrote:If you were just trying to clear up a question, why not ask the moderator? Why not reread the rules?

The rules don't (unless they've since been added) mention whether votes were or were not changeable. Mac asked the same thing and llama said:

thellama73 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Are votes changeable or not?

Why not vote and find out?

Ah, I forgot about that.
That seems reasonable enough.

Nachomamma8 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Looking back over earlier d0-d1 material and I'm really not finding anything but inconclusive fluff. There's just nothing here.

Mostly. I feel comfortable enough with townreads on you/Mac/Quin, which, if they are correct, gives me a 41% chance of hitting a baddie if I throw drunk darts at the rest of the playerlist. I'm pretty good at drunk darts.

Yay math!

I can dig the town read on Quin as well. I think I need to see just a bit more from him though; hopefully he can provide more thoughts soon. I also need to see his mafia game. He's a ridiculously solid townie, but I'm not sure I've ever seen him as mafia, which scares me.

The thing that I like about Quin is the self-vote; not sure he'd do it as mafia when there's a chance he locks down on his vote on himself the entire day and makes himself that much easier to lynch. As town, he's not really expecting to get lynched at all and he doesn't want to fuck over a townie accidentally, so it makes more sense.

It might be a worthwhile gamble as a baddie so I don't discount it.

Why is it a worthwhile gamble as a baddie? Do you agree with Boom's reasoning or do you think he was expecting to get townread for it?

It may be a worthwhile gamble because it may earn early civ cred. It seems to have you convinced. i don't know what townread is.

Nachomamma8 wrote: Is there anything odd that you think is alignment-related that's sticking out to you?

Not really.

Nachomamma8 wrote:Hi Golden!
Do you have any thoughts yet?

Seems like the game finally got some meat while I was sleeping.

I'm reading up now.

Town is a word that's interchangeable with civilian, apologies for failing my vocabulary test there.

I think that my train of thought is pretty weird - there's no reason for Quin to expect anyone like me to exist of have that train of thought, is there? I find voting to find the answer to whether votes are changeable or not is completely reasonable; do you disagree?

Hey guys, unfortunately I'll BBL.

Nachomamma8 wrote:Town is a word that's interchangeable with civilian, apologies for failing my vocabulary test there.

I think that my train of thought is pretty weird - there's no reason for Quin to expect anyone like me to exist of have that train of thought, is there? I find voting to find the answer to whether votes are changeable or not is completely reasonable; do you disagree?

I know "town" but not "townread"

Boomslang wrote:

Quin wrote:I self-voted for the sake of figuring out whether they're changeable or not. Votes are not changeable.

It seems like there's some disagreement over whether this is a good or bad move. I find it rash; why vote solely for that purpose when there's still over 24 hours of daytime to go? Surely someone else would vote for suspicion reasons in that time, then report as to whether that vote was changeable. My gut says this is a convenient way for Quin to get out of voting for anyone else Day 1, and thus drawing early aggro.

Linki w/ Nacho: See, I take the opposite read here. A self-vote just to self-vote might fit your justification, but Quin's rationale isn't logical to me.
Linki w/MP: What's up is I'm trying to post :P Yeah, the Quin thing is a bit WIFOMy, but I think the explanation pushes it more toward a baddie read.
Linki w/Snow Dog: AHHHH LET ME POST

It was a rash move, but I don't really think that rash is equivalent to "more likely to come from a baddie".
I think that asking someone to wait until they have real suspicion in order to figure out votes are changeable or not is pretty unreasonable.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey guys, unfortunately I'll BBL.

Yes that is unfortunate.

Snow Dog wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:Town is a word that's interchangeable with civilian, apologies for failing my vocabulary test there.

I think that my train of thought is pretty weird - there's no reason for Quin to expect anyone like me to exist of have that train of thought, is there? I find voting to find the answer to whether votes are changeable or not is completely reasonable; do you disagree?

I know "town" but not "townread"

Townread = civ read aka "do you think he was expecting to be read as civilian because of it?".

Snow Dog wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:Town is a word that's interchangeable with civilian, apologies for failing my vocabulary test there.

I think that my train of thought is pretty weird - there's no reason for Quin to expect anyone like me to exist of have that train of thought, is there? I find voting to find the answer to whether votes are changeable or not is completely reasonable; do you disagree?

I know "town" but not "townread"

OOps sorry, yes it is reasonable. But he could have waited and voted a real vote later and found out. Thats what everyone else is doing.

linki...Yes! It is poasible isn't it?

Snow Dog wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I got a role from another game. Do you think llama messed up?

So what happened? Did he?

I don't think he did. I did roll-claim earlier, so I'll just let you guys decide.

Snow Dog wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:Town is a word that's interchangeable with civilian, apologies for failing my vocabulary test there.

I think that my train of thought is pretty weird - there's no reason for Quin to expect anyone like me to exist of have that train of thought, is there? I find voting to find the answer to whether votes are changeable or not is completely reasonable; do you disagree?

I know "town" but not "townread"

OOps sorry, yes it is reasonable. But he could have waited and voted a real vote later and found out. Thats what everyone else is doing.

linki...Yes! It is poasible isn't it?

If I was in thread at the time, I doubt I would have waited for a real vote. Playing differently from everyone else isn't exactly a tell of someone being a baddie, just a tell of someone being different.

It's possible he thought that he would be townread for it, but I don't think likely. Why do you think he would think that his self-vote would look town?

Nachomamma8 wrote:Long Con, why is Wigly suspicious for not checking their role PM?
I don't think actions get more neutral than "not checking role PM" unless somehow you think that he's scum trying to buy himself a free pass by saying he's not checking his role PM which seems just a touch conspiracy theory to me.

When you know Wilgy, you'll know not to take what he says at face value.

He may or may not have checked his role PM, but he might well say he hadn't either way. Sometimes he says random shit to hide his true intent. And sometimes he says random shit because it's true.

I find it null, though, but I don't find it odd if LC didn't take it at face value.

Right I'm gonna hit the sack. See you all tomorrow.

Linki. Because as you said, why would a baddie vote for himself when he can throw his vote on a civ.