The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:14 pm You leave Kyle alone.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:14 pm You leave Kyle alone.

why?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:37 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:14 pm You leave Kyle alone.

why?

I'm just filling the silence. I don't have a strong opinion on Kyle. Like I half think you're distracting from Epi but I don't wanna get tunnel visioned. You do whatever.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:46 pm Changed my vote to kyle. Kylemii, what do you think about Epi and all the people who have expressed thoughts on him so far?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:46 pm Changed my vote to kyle. Kylemii, what do you think about Epi and all the people who have expressed thoughts on him so far?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:37 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:14 pm You leave Kyle alone.

why?

I'm just filling the silence. I don't have a strong opinion on Kyle. Like I half think you're distracting from Epi but I don't wanna get tunnel visioned. You do whatever.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:39 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:37 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:14 pm You leave Kyle alone.

why?

I'm just filling the silence. I don't have a strong opinion on Kyle. Like I half think you're distracting from Epi but I don't wanna get tunnel visioned. You do whatever.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:11 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:51 pm I'd really like to hear Mesk514's thoughts on current events. My thoughts are clouded by past meta and I think an outsiders' viewpoint could bring some clarity

I don't like this post. In Pirates mafia (the one and only game I've ever seen Kyle play to this point), he was an active force early in the game. He's been more passive so far in this game, so I prodded him for reads. Five minutes later, he came out with this, absent of content but calling for more content from the newcomer. This post is fluff and an excuse to delay participation in the game.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:41 pm Kyle is like 10 right? DDL's kid?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:11 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:51 pm I'd really like to hear Mesk514's thoughts on current events. My thoughts are clouded by past meta and I think an outsiders' viewpoint could bring some clarity

I don't like this post. In Pirates mafia (the one and only game I've ever seen Kyle play to this point), he was an active force early in the game. He's been more passive so far in this game, so I prodded him for reads. Five minutes later, he came out with this, absent of content but calling for more content from the newcomer. This post is fluff and an excuse to delay participation in the game.

you made your post while I was making mine, did you expect me to drop everything and respond to you? it's 9 an dude. one thing at a time.

In the pirates game my day 1 involvement was mostly getting to know new players questions and passively observing the current thread dynamics. I got called out for it and almost got lynched for it like twice. How closely were you reading the game?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:08 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.

"Buddying" two civilians on Day 1 is not going to stop my lynch if that is what the majority wishes (not that I agree I have "buddied" anybody).

Sloonei is not going to be intimidated by me to the extent that he won't vote for me if he feels he should (not that I agree I have intimidated Sloonei).

You are, as usual, starting with the conclusion that Epignosis is bad and making everything I do fit that conclusion. Of course, you have no response to this:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:53 am You are implying that "setting up a long game" is something I, as mafia, would do on Day 1. That is mistaken. The fact is I don't bother with long term planning Day 1 when I am bad. It's antithetical to success in most cases, because to be good at being bad, one must be flexible and able to dance. And I am a fine dancer.

Can anyone who has ever been bad with me point to a time when I set up a long term plan Day 1?

If not, why would I start now?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:15 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:23 am Hey Jack quick question, about how does accusing someone of being one of the Good Boyz poke them?

I take it you aren't married, having never poked someone in a nice way.

Also, there is no trust exercise. I was just saying hi.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:11 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:51 pm I'd really like to hear Mesk514's thoughts on current events. My thoughts are clouded by past meta and I think an outsiders' viewpoint could bring some clarity

I don't like this post. In Pirates mafia (the one and only game I've ever seen Kyle play to this point), he was an active force early in the game. He's been more passive so far in this game, so I prodded him for reads. Five minutes later, he came out with this, absent of content but calling for more content from the newcomer. This post is fluff and an excuse to delay participation in the game.

you made your post while I was making mine, did you expect me to drop everything and respond to you? it's 9 an dude. one thing at a time.

In the pirates game my day 1 involvement was mostly getting to know new players questions and passively observing the current thread dynamics. I got called out for it and almost got lynched for it like twice. How closely were you reading the game?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:15 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:23 am Hey Jack quick question, about how does accusing someone of being one of the Good Boyz poke them?

I take it you aren't married, having never poked someone in a nice way.

Also, there is no trust exercise. I was just saying hi.

the implication of this joke is that you're married to sprityo

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:51 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:11 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:51 pm I'd really like to hear Mesk514's thoughts on current events. My thoughts are clouded by past meta and I think an outsiders' viewpoint could bring some clarity

I don't like this post. In Pirates mafia (the one and only game I've ever seen Kyle play to this point), he was an active force early in the game. He's been more passive so far in this game, so I prodded him for reads. Five minutes later, he came out with this, absent of content but calling for more content from the newcomer. This post is fluff and an excuse to delay participation in the game.

you made your post while I was making mine, did you expect me to drop everything and respond to you? it's 9 an dude. one thing at a time.

In the pirates game my day 1 involvement was mostly getting to know new players questions and passively observing the current thread dynamics. I got called out for it and almost got lynched for it like twice. How closely were you reading the game?

It's 12:51 pm. Lynch all liars.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:51 pmIt's 12:51 pm. Lynch all liars.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:46 pm Changed my vote to kyle. Kylemii, what do you think about Epi and all the people who have expressed thoughts on him so far?

Oh, hello. I've been waiting to see how Epig would respond to LC's suspicion. Parts of his response have made me feel better but other parts have made me feel worse. In general any time an accused player (or an accuser) uses hyperbole or mischaracterizes the argument against them, it looks bad to me, and I'm seeing that with Epig rn, homing in on the reference to buddying as a "long term strategy" and claiming that LC knows who the Goods Boyz are because he referred to 3 players as civs. It argues against the words of the case without really fighting the spirit of it

LC... My number #1 priority in any game we're both in is to figure out where he stands. He's a skilled manipulator and scumhunter depending on what his situation requires. He is 8x better than me at everything I believe I'm good at and on some level I think i probably wanna be him when I grow up. LC is absolutely 100% nutsy enough to lead a lynch on day 0 regardless of whether he's town boy or a crime boy.

I'm not sure who else gave opinions on the issue other than you and Quin, I'd have to reread you both to give a good impression

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:55 pm Sloonei, you think Kyle is a baddun? Show me the goods.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:52 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:11 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:51 pm I'd really like to hear Mesk514's thoughts on current events. My thoughts are clouded by past meta and I think an outsiders' viewpoint could bring some clarity

I don't like this post. In Pirates mafia (the one and only game I've ever seen Kyle play to this point), he was an active force early in the game. He's been more passive so far in this game, so I prodded him for reads. Five minutes later, he came out with this, absent of content but calling for more content from the newcomer. This post is fluff and an excuse to delay participation in the game.

you made your post while I was making mine, did you expect me to drop everything and respond to you? it's 9 an dude. one thing at a time.

In the pirates game my day 1 involvement was mostly getting to know new players questions and passively observing the current thread dynamics. I got called out for it and almost got lynched for it like twice. How closely were you reading the game?

but you didn't get lynched. I saw you making things happen. I don't see that here yet.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:57 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:52 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:11 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:51 pm I'd really like to hear Mesk514's thoughts on current events. My thoughts are clouded by past meta and I think an outsiders' viewpoint could bring some clarity

I don't like this post. In Pirates mafia (the one and only game I've ever seen Kyle play to this point), he was an active force early in the game. He's been more passive so far in this game, so I prodded him for reads. Five minutes later, he came out with this, absent of content but calling for more content from the newcomer. This post is fluff and an excuse to delay participation in the game.

you made your post while I was making mine, did you expect me to drop everything and respond to you? it's 9 an dude. one thing at a time.

In the pirates game my day 1 involvement was mostly getting to know new players questions and passively observing the current thread dynamics. I got called out for it and almost got lynched for it like twice. How closely were you reading the game?

but you didn't get lynched. I saw you making things happen. I don't see that here yet.

Kyle didn't make anything happen D1 pirates. He came out good due to his vote but he was fairly passive and focused on meta. Like the kid said, he got called out for it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:32 pm Nutella hasn't always been super consistent as a townie in my experience with her. She'll speak her mind without regard for whether or not it all fits neatly together, and I've got no issue with that. I don't think I would vote for her based solely on her posts so far.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:37 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:14 pm You leave Kyle alone.

why?

I'm just filling the silence. I don't have a strong opinion on Kyle. Like I half think you're distracting from Epi but I don't wanna get tunnel visioned. You do whatever.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:52 pm but you didn't get lynched. I saw you making things happen. I don't see that here yet.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:57 pmKyle didn't make anything happen D1 pirates. He came out good due to his vote but he was fairly passive and focused on meta. Like the kid said, he got called out for it.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:11 pm On Kyle - Obvious difference in the amount of posts between pirate Mafia and this one, even considering shorter phase lengths and the whole debacle at EoD1. Looks bad at face value, like a baddie who can't insert himself properly but I won't condemn him on that alone. We (or I) don't know where to set the baseline for his civilian game.

His content here isn't really fluff, but his thoughts haven't come together in the thread the way I'd like given the 24 hour day phases. They're not particularly useful to me as they are. I'd like some more elaborated stuff from him soon if he's up to it.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:59 am If Long Con is a civilian, then is most likely means he is genuine in his suspicion of me.

If his suspicion is genuine, then his accusation that I am being deliberate and calculating in my dealings thus far should be one that he can logically explain.

In other words, if I know what I'm doing (i.e., being deliberate in "setting up a long game"), and Long Con is calling me out on that, then he should be able to explain how my actions in the thread so far will benefit my team and me down the road. What is the long game and how am I expecting it to play out?

If he can't answer that, then his suspicion isn't genuine, and he's trying to get a quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:52 pm but you didn't get lynched. I saw you making things happen. I don't see that here yet.

whether or not I got lynch is irrelevant, the relevant part is that you should remember how that game went.

name one thing that i made happen during the first day of the pirates game. I asked questions about dogs and I think I cobbled together a read list at some point because I had 3 hours without anything better to do, bcus it was a small game filled with players I'd never met.

My most active decision was maintaining a tied vote on MP late in the day phase

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:54 pm It's 4:54 in futureland, folks.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:54 pmA.M.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:45 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:54 pm It's 4:54 in futureland, folks.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:54 pmA.M.

That's almost an alpine start!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:31 pmI don't want to discuss another game any further in this thread. I just want you to continue sharing the thoughts that you have about this game.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:40 pm Epi, do you agree with kyle's assessment that you were attacking LC with hyperbole and strawmen?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:40 pm Epi, do you agree with kyle's assessment that you were attacking LC with hyperbole and strawmen?

Kyle, have you had a chance to dig into anyone else yet?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:57 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:40 pm Epi, do you agree with kyle's assessment that you were attacking LC with hyperbole and strawmen?

Kyle, have you had a chance to dig into anyone else yet?

I didn't say he was attacking LC with hyperbole and strawmen I said he was defending himself by turning LC into a strawman.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:03 pm Maybe strawman is the wrong word, but I think focusing on the "long game planning aspect" of the argument allows you to ignore the part of the argument where it's actually just really weird to make a positive declaration towards anyone one day 0, or 1 without any kind og motivation behind it.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:52 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:31 pmI don't want to discuss another game any further in this thread. I just want you to continue sharing the thoughts that you have about this game.

wellllll, that was the plan before you interrupted me. now that I know we have 10 hours and not 34 left I intend to get down to it.

but it won't cost me any of my time or energy for you to explain your motivation so I'm fine with you doing that.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:09 pm trusting people without factual backup is unnatural. it's an aberration. mafia play with facts from the start so it's easier

let's put LC's case aside for a sec, why Cbob? why Mesk?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:12 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:09 pm trusting people without factual backup is unnatural. it's an aberration. mafia play with facts from the start so it's easier

let's put LC's case aside for a sec, why Cbob? why Mesk?

I didn't say I trusted them.

I already talked about colonialbob and Mesk.