The Syndicate

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:59 am**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:47 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:45 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:54 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:17 am Eh no I don't like this round robin plan or whatever it's called. I want to lynch scum.

Lynching at randon just because it gives us a result is worse than trying to lynch and having a good chabce of failure. We learn nothing from the former since votes were meaningless. From the later we at least have a vote tally we can dissect later.
Agreed, but most of us can't be lynched.

What do you propose we do?

Any pings from reading the thread?
Not yet.
He derides the plan
But offers no replacement
Huh, how does that work?

The replacement is lynch suspect people.

I just don't know who.

But you have played mafia before, just do what you always do. My point is that we should treat this like any other game.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:02 am**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:59 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:47 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:45 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:54 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:17 am Eh no I don't like this round robin plan or whatever it's called. I want to lynch scum.

Lynching at randon just because it gives us a result is worse than trying to lynch and having a good chabce of failure. We learn nothing from the former since votes were meaningless. From the later we at least have a vote tally we can dissect later.
Agreed, but most of us can't be lynched.

What do you propose we do?

Any pings from reading the thread?
Not yet.
He derides the plan
But offers no replacement
Huh, how does that work?
The replacement is lynch suspect people.

I just don't know who.

But you have played mafia before, just do what you always do. My point is that we should treat this like any other game.

The round robin plan
has exactly zero flaws
I suspect you now.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:07 am**

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:44 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:42 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:41 pm cause the haikus were before roles are sent so basically youre just fucking over anyone too lazy/forgetful to submit one
yeah I guess you're right, it's kinda silly.... but people who wrote haikus won't die so it's a wasted d1
well if everyone submitted a Haiku, no one would die anyways

Cbob wouldnt die if he didnt submit a haiku, hes invincible

also stop talking in haikus please, it's silly and i dont like it

*gasp* such blasphemy
shun! shun the non-believer
free verse is for dorks

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:12 am**

Also, I forgot
[VOTE: DDL] aubergine
Good with that, for now

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:17 am**

I am tormented
Aubergine insanity
Death is sweet release

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:19 am**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:02 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:59 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:47 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:45 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:54 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:17 am Eh no I don't like this round robin plan or whatever it's called. I want to lynch scum.

Lynching at randon just because it gives us a result is worse than trying to lynch and having a good chabce of failure. We learn nothing from the former since votes were meaningless. From the later we at least have a vote tally we can dissect later.
Agreed, but most of us can't be lynched.

What do you propose we do?

Any pings from reading the thread?
Not yet.
He derides the plan
But offers no replacement
Huh, how does that work?
The replacement is lynch suspect people.

I just don't know who.

But you have played mafia before, just do what you always do. My point is that we should treat this like any other game.
The round robin plan
has exactly zero flaws
I suspect you now.

It has exact zero upsides either.

We are lynching at random.

How is that a good thing.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:23 am**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:19 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:02 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:59 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:47 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:45 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:54 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:17 am Eh no I don't like this round robin plan or whatever it's called. I want to lynch scum.

Lynching at randon just because it gives us a result is worse than trying to lynch and having a good chabce of failure. We learn nothing from the former since votes were meaningless. From the later we at least have a vote tally we can dissect later.
Agreed, but most of us can't be lynched.

What do you propose we do?

Any pings from reading the thread?
Not yet.
He derides the plan
But offers no replacement
Huh, how does that work?
The replacement is lynch suspect people.

I just don't know who.

But you have played mafia before, just do what you always do. My point is that we should treat this like any other game.
The round robin plan
has exactly zero flaws
I suspect you now.
It has exact zero upsides either.

We are lynching at random.

How is that a good thing.

Most likely outcome
Of choosing someone to lynch
Is a wasted phase

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:25 am**

Define wasted phase.

Because lynching a random player will most likely hit a civ and will give us no useful information whatosoever. Since it will be someone who wasn't likely attacked of defended by anyone.

Meanwhile, by lynching normally, we at least produce information from people's reads that can be used to find scum in a future phase.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:25 am**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:19 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:02 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:59 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:47 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:45 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:54 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:17 am Eh no I don't like this round robin plan or whatever it's called. I want to lynch scum.

Lynching at randon just because it gives us a result is worse than trying to lynch and having a good chabce of failure. We learn nothing from the former since votes were meaningless. From the later we at least have a vote tally we can dissect later.
Agreed, but most of us can't be lynched.

What do you propose we do?

Any pings from reading the thread?
Not yet.
He derides the plan
But offers no replacement
Huh, how does that work?
The replacement is lynch suspect people.

I just don't know who.

But you have played mafia before, just do what you always do. My point is that we should treat this like any other game.
The round robin plan
has exactly zero flaws
I suspect you now.
It has exact zero upsides either.

We are lynching at random.

How is that a good thing.

The Round Robin Vote
Is only bad if you have
Friends or no haikus

Either way we learn
And information is key
in this game we play.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:26 am**

No we don't.

We learn the least information we possibly can.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:27 am**

Like information is only a thing in mafia when it's gotten from people accusing each other.

What you are proposing is that nobody accuses each other and we vote each other from a pre-made system.

You are killing the source of information, not increasing it.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:28 am**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:25 am Define wasted phase.

Because lynching a random player will most likely hit a civ and will give us no useful information whatosoever. Since it will be someone who wasn't likely attacked of defended by anyone.

Meanwhile, by lynching normally, we at least produce information from people's reads that can be used to find scum in a future phase.

Maf's will hide their votes
And say fake reads cuz they know
Their friends can't be lynched.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:28 am**

But what can we learn
If mafia can vote for
Teammates who can't die?

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:30 am**

The round robin vote
Controls the flow of info
Maf's can't hide from it.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:30 am**

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:50 pm I for one, am glad to see SVS and Dom, i havent played with them in a long time it feels like

i'm hungover and read this and feel dizzy

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:31 am**

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:28 am But what can we learn
If mafia can vote for
Teammates who can't die?

You can still read people's posts and judge whether they are genuine or not. Which is only gotten when we are accusing each other.

Right now you are proposing nobody accuses each other and we vote at random. Basically this is a Day 0 with some random player starting with 1 role instead of 2. By the end of Day 1, no mafia game will have been played yet.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:31 am**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:30 am The round robin vote
Controls the flow of info
Maf's can't hide from it.

The flow of nothing, you mean.

Flipping a coin and hoping we randomly hit mafia is not info.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:32 am**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:27 am Like information is only a thing in mafia when it's gotten from people accusing each other.

What you are proposing is that nobody accuses each other and we vote each other from a pre-made system.

You are killing the source of information, not increasing it.

So, would you say
we got a lot of info
from FE day 1?

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:32 am**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:31 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:28 am But what can we learn
If mafia can vote for
Teammates who can't die?
You can still read people's posts and judge whether they are genuine or not. Which is only gotten when we are accusing each other.

Right now you are proposing nobody accuses each other and we vote at random. Basically this is a Day 0 with some random player starting with 1 role instead of 2. By the end of Day 1, no mafia game will have been played yet.

This is not the case
You can still accuse people
With round robin vote.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:33 am**

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:32 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:27 am Like information is only a thing in mafia when it's gotten from people accusing each other.

What you are proposing is that nobody accuses each other and we vote each other from a pre-made system.

You are killing the source of information, not increasing it.
So, would you say
we got a lot of info
from FE day 1?

We would if we already had a baddie frlip at this point. Which we don't.

Also please don't talk about FE.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:33 am**

DDL is bad
His friend did not send haikus
See, there. I accuse.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:34 am**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:32 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:31 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:28 am But what can we learn
If mafia can vote for
Teammates who can't die?
You can still read people's posts and judge whether they are genuine or not. Which is only gotten when we are accusing each other.

Right now you are proposing nobody accuses each other and we vote at random. Basically this is a Day 0 with some random player starting with 1 role instead of 2. By the end of Day 1, no mafia game will have been played yet.
This is not the case
You can still accuse people
With round robin vote.

I've played enough mafia games to know this kind of system only works in theory.

Accusations only work when there are votes with them.

When there are no votes, most players don't even bother accusing.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:34 am**

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:34 am**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:33 am DDL is bad
His friend did not send haikus
See, there. I accuse.

If you try to lynch me it's still better to town than your robin whatever thing.

So go on.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:35 am**

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:34 amFE?

The ongoing Full Game.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:35 am**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:34 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:33 am DDL is bad
His friend did not send haikus
See, there. I accuse.
If you try to lynch me it's still better to town than your robin whatever thing.

So go on.

Dumb to try and lynch
With haiku protections on
That is the whole point.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:37 am**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:35 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:34 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:33 am DDL is bad
His friend did not send haikus
See, there. I accuse.
If you try to lynch me it's still better to town than your robin whatever thing.

So go on.
Dumb to try and lynch
With haiku protections on
That is the whole point.

I feel we are going in circles. So let me agree to disagree.

I will not participate in the robin thing.

I'll drop a vote later.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:37 am**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:31 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:28 am But what can we learn
If mafia can vote for
Teammates who can't die?
You can still read people's posts and judge whether they are genuine or not. Which is only gotten when we are accusing each other.

Right now you are proposing nobody accuses each other and we vote at random. Basically this is a Day 0 with some random player starting with 1 role instead of 2. By the end of Day 1, no mafia game will have been played yet.

Who said that no one accuses each other, we are talking about VOTING with this plan, not accusing. Most of us are not lynchable, fact. So we can try to figure out the best way to use our lynch, and still discuss suspicions. You seem to be discussing the lack of discussion on suspicion as opposed to actually discussing suspicions. Which I find kind of suspicious, lol.

And it is already screwed up since sprityo voted for Bob.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:38 am**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:33 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:32 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:27 am Like information is only a thing in mafia when it's gotten from people accusing each other.

What you are proposing is that nobody accuses each other and we vote each other from a pre-made system.

You are killing the source of information, not increasing it.
So, would you say
we got a lot of info
from FE day 1?
We would if we already had a baddie frlip at this point. Which we don't.

Also please don't talk about FE.

Won't say a thing more
Don't want to break any rules
Just not many games here

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:39 am**

FYI Dear Hosts
In the future I wont use
That awful vote tag

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:42 am**

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:38 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:33 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:32 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:27 am Like information is only a thing in mafia when it's gotten from people accusing each other.

What you are proposing is that nobody accuses each other and we vote each other from a pre-made system.

You are killing the source of information, not increasing it.
So, would you say
we got a lot of info
from FE day 1?
We would if we already had a baddie frlip at this point. Which we don't.

Also please don't talk about FE.
Won't say a thing more
Don't want to break any rules
Just not many games here

Alas, I have failed
My counting not up to snuff
The beauty, ruined.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:54 am**

There is no earthly way
The vote will matter at all
At least have some fun.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:54 am**

"Information"

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:59 am**

Ever-helpful Rob
Thanks for your clever insight
Great quotation marks.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:05 am**

The role of a lynched
Person without a haiku
Is "information"

It makes no dang sense
To oppose round robin vote
Unless you are bad.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:07 am**

Why does Cbob lead / when he has said to us that / he cannot be lynched?

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:09 am**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:07 am Why does Cbob lead / when he has said to us that / he cannot be lynched?

Sprityo Does not want
To follow round robin plan
So he fucked it up

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:11 am**

And if I move my vote I will be moving it to myself, which I would rather not do. If we wind up staying with the plan, I might ask someone to switch votes with me. If we decide to do otherwise, it does not matter.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:14 am**

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:11 am And if I move my vote I will be moving it to myself, which I would rather not do. If we wind up staying with the plan, I might ask someone to switch votes with me. If we decide to do otherwise, it does not matter.

Sooner or later
You'll vote for me anyway
DDL has failed

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:20 am**

DH has been out of the loop too long.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:21 am**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:20 am DH has been out of the loop too long.

Ever-helpful Rob
I thank you for your concern
This is my first game

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:22 am**

Closed setup not good
I prefer to have info
Such as role powers

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:34 am**

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:11 am And if I move my vote I will be moving it to myself, which I would rather not do. If we wind up staying with the plan, I might ask someone to switch votes with me. If we decide to do otherwise, it does not matter.

Why would you vote for yourself?

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:38 am**

8) Players will get two roles in this game. You will all get your first role at the start of the game. You will only get your second role upon your first death. If you die twice, you are officially actually dead. When your first role dies (regardless of how you die), your role will be revealed, but your affiliation and win conditions will be kept secret. When your second role dies, your role and affiliation will be revealed if you die by lynch or any method other than nightkill. It is possible for players to change win conditions or affiliations, however any mafia player who has BTSC with their team for role one will continue to have the same affiliation and win conditions for role two.

I don't know all the mechanics behind this whole thing, but at face value, this concerns me, because it means that it is possible that by lynching a civilian, you do worse than lynching a civilian: You can increase the mafia strength. Furthermore, any mafia have to be lynched twice in order to be eliminated. Additionally, I would expect this to be an invitation for mafia to kill their own members in order to buy credibility and/or gamble away their weakest roles in hope of something better.

Yes, I would like to discuss mechanics Day 1.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:38 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:34 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:11 am And if I move my vote I will be moving it to myself, which I would rather not do. If we wind up staying with the plan, I might ask someone to switch votes with me. If we decide to do otherwise, it does not matter.
Why would you vote for yourself?

Becasue if we stuck to the round robin plan, sprityo should have voted for me, but he voted for Bob, so Bob would have two votes and I would have none. Since Bob can't be lynched, it doesn't matter. But Sprit broke the circle, so it double doesn't matter.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:43 am**

If you say the words
"Alexander Hamilton"
That makes an haiku

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:44 am**

Never mind, S~V~S, I looked at the poll and I get it.... but Epignosis and DDL aren't going to play ball with the round robin plan. I guess we could plan to counterbalance their eventual votes by tying it up again.... then they could only screw it up by voting for the same person.

That said, I'm not married to the round robin idea. I agree with DDL, it doesn't.... DO anything. This whole lynch is like we're wearing kevlar and wrapped in bubble wrap. We can't die, even if we get lynched. And if we could die, we still wouldn't die.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:46 am**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:38 am
8) Players will get two roles in this game. You will all get your first role at the start of the game. You will only get your second role upon your first death. If you die twice, you are officially actually dead. When your first role dies (regardless of how you die), your role will be revealed, but your affiliation and win conditions will be kept secret. When your second role dies, your role and affiliation will be revealed if you die by lynch or any method other than nightkill. It is possible for players to change win conditions or affiliations, however any mafia player who has BTSC with their team for role one will continue to have the same affiliation and win conditions for role two.
I don't know all the mechanics behind this whole thing, but at face value, this concerns me, because it means that it is possible that by lynching a civilian, you do worse than lynching a civilian: You can increase the mafia strength. Furthermore, any mafia have to be lynched twice in order to be eliminated. Additionally, I would expect this to be an invitation for mafia to kill their own members in order to buy credibility and/or gamble away their weakest roles in hope of something better.

Yes, I would like to discuss mechanics Day 1.

I agree. Mafia should kill their own members.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:46 am**

Yeah, it was an idea becasue most people can't be lynched, but I am not married to it either.

Posted: **Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:54 am**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:54 am "Information"

I was hosting a game last week and players were lynching for Information on Day 6 with a 2/3 ratio for mafia.

I thought "where is Epi when I need him"

The Syndicate

Pikachu Tribe - Day 9

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1