The Syndicate

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:23 pm Lots of mechanics things to talk about. Best person for cop to use night check on, whether doctor should use heals aggressively or save them for late in the game, best way to use tracker, whether a doublevote is mathematically more powerful now or in the late game, etc.

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:38 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:23 pm Lots of mechanics things to talk about. Best person for cop to use night check on, whether doctor should use heals aggressively or save them for late in the game, best way to use tracker, whether a doublevote is mathematically more powerful now or in the late game, etc.

we don't have any role information yet do we? other than 3 possible role sets? am i understanding that correctly?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:50 pm

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:38 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:23 pm Lots of mechanics things to talk about. Best person for cop to use night check on, whether doctor should use heals aggressively or save them for late in the game, best way to use tracker, whether a doublevote is mathematically more powerful now or in the late game, etc.

we don't have any role information yet do we? other than 3 possible role sets? am i understanding that correctly?

There are 6 possible setups. They are as follows:

1) Cop, 9 VT, 3 Mafia
2) 2-Shot Tracker, 2-Shot Doctor, 8 VT, 3 Mafia
3) Cop, 2-Shot Doublevoter, 8 VT, 2 Mafia, 1 Godfather
4) Cop, 2-Shot Tracker, 8 VT, 2 Mafia, 1 Godfather
5) 2-Shot Doctor, 2-Shot Doublevoter, 8 VT, 3 Mafia
6) Cop, 9 VT, 3 Mafia.

It is random which of these 6 setups are in the game; we don't have public information as to which setup we're in right now. (Although people with one of those roles can narrow it down - like if you're a Tracker you know we're either in setup 2 or setup 4. Obviously, don't let on that you know that or the mafia will kill you.) Note that setups 1 and 6 are identical, so that setup essentially has twice the chance of occurring.

Mechanics aside - what are your reads, cobbler?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:00 am

cobbler wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:49 pm much appreciated i'll try not to shy away. i have to admit i'm a bit intimidated playing here because i've known about this community for a very long time and it has a strong reputation for solid gameplay

No need to be intimidated! It's a nice bunch of people playing here ^^ Just be open with your thoughts and do you best. Unless you're scum, cause then I'd be a little intimidated. Luckily, you're not! =)

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:13 pm i doubt it was a scumslip cob =))

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:15 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:13 pm i doubt it was a scumslip cob =))

i agree it's unlikely. i was waiting to see if anyone else brought it up. but i have to be honest about it and say that i had a very visceral reaction to reading it

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:15 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:13 pm i doubt it was a scumslip cob =))

i agree it's unlikely. i was waiting to see if anyone else brought it up. but i have to be honest about it and say that i had a very visceral reaction to reading it

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:35 pm

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:15 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:13 pm i doubt it was a scumslip cob =))

i agree it's unlikely. i was waiting to see if anyone else brought it up. but i have to be honest about it and say that i had a very visceral reaction to reading it

I read it and thought scumslip and then i ignored it. Nobody slips that big imo.

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:35 pm

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:15 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:13 pm i doubt it was a scumslip cob =))

i agree it's unlikely. i was waiting to see if anyone else brought it up. but i have to be honest about it and say that i had a very visceral reaction to reading it

I read it and thought scumslip and then i ignored it. Nobody slips that big imo.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:37 pm

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:15 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:13 pm i doubt it was a scumslip cob =))

i agree it's unlikely. i was waiting to see if anyone else brought it up. but i have to be honest about it and say that i had a very visceral reaction to reading it

you can be town for the "i was waiting to see if anyone else brought it up"

(to clarify, im highly sure all of us perceived dizzy's sentence as a townread. i think you entertaining the possibility of someone else bringing it up as a potential scumslip is actually extraordinarily towny. i think its unlikely if u are scum u came up with that out of everything else u could have come up with)

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:43 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:35 pm

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:15 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:13 pm i doubt it was a scumslip cob =))

i agree it's unlikely. i was waiting to see if anyone else brought it up. but i have to be honest about it and say that i had a very visceral reaction to reading it

I read it and thought scumslip and then i ignored it. Nobody slips that big imo.

I'm so glad I have experience with you or I would be tunnelling you pretty hard here.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:43 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:35 pm

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:15 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:13 pm i doubt it was a scumslip cob =))

i agree it's unlikely. i was waiting to see if anyone else brought it up. but i have to be honest about it and say that i had a very visceral reaction to reading it

I read it and thought scumslip and then i ignored it. Nobody slips that big imo.

I'm so glad I have experience with you or I would be tunnelling you pretty hard here.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:23 pm Lots of mechanics things to talk about. Best person for cop to use night check on, whether doctor should use heals aggressively or save them for late in the game, best way to use tracker, whether a doublevote is mathematically more powerful now or in the late game, etc.

What makes you think I'm trying to find reasons to townread proto? We clearly have history with each other and proto said I pocketed him super deep in a previous game, which implies that I understand him quite well. Is it a surprise that I have my theory about what proto would or wouldn't do here as scum?

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:08 pm Tutuu hard town.

Alison town

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:09 pm @Urist

What do you think about my scumread on you?

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:10 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:09 pm @Urist

What do you think about my scumread on you?

you're wrong so i don't really care tbh

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:28 pm Sure. Hadn't occured to me yet but good idea.

Will do it when off mobile and on pc.

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:28 pm this isn't very helpful if you're town. i'd like to see more of a response than this

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:36 pm

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:28 pm this isn't very helpful if you're town. i'd like to see more of a response than this

if i were scum i'd be more than happy to clutter the thread by swatting his accusations away with the obvious answers, and i'd look super good doing it too

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:31 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:28 pm Sure. Hadn't occured to me yet but good idea.

Will do it when off mobile and on pc.

I dare you to use this avi

You just wouldn't dare.

You wouldn't DARE and I know it.

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:55 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:36 pm

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:28 pm this isn't very helpful if you're town. i'd like to see more of a response than this

if i were scum i'd be more than happy to clutter the thread by swatting his accusations away with the obvious answers, and i'd look super good doing it too

this is the most mind-bending thing i've ever read in a game of mafia

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:58 pm I don't get it. I think tutuu and Alison think I made some AI post here by saying I ignored a scumslip.Can you explain further?

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:05 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:23 pm Lots of mechanics things to talk about. Best person for cop to use night check on, whether doctor should use heals aggressively or save them for late in the game, best way to use tracker, whether a doublevote is mathematically more powerful now or in the late game, etc.

What makes you think I'm trying to find reasons to townread proto? We clearly have history with each other and proto said I pocketed him super deep in a previous game, which implies that I understand him quite well. Is it a surprise that I have my theory about what proto would or wouldn't do here as scum?

proto himself said that he's not doing it because the setup doesn't support it.
so either:
a) he's town and being genuine, in which case your reason for town reading him is incorrect.
b) he's scum, in which case your reason for town reading him is definitely incorrect.
c) he's town and you somehow know him better than he knows himself.
Judging by what you've said you seem to think that c is the case, which isn't something that I had considered before. And it's fine that you think that, but I don't think it really tells me anything about you other than that you think you know proto super well.
I wanted to drop this before I began to reveal myself as a pedantic ass, since this is such a small point that in the grand scheme of things really has no bearing on the game or anyone's alignment, but here we are.

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:36 pm

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:28 pm this isn't very helpful if you're town. i'd like to see more of a response than this

if i were scum i'd be more than happy to clutter the thread by swatting his accusations away with the obvious answers, and i'd look super good doing it too

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:27 pm considering that (i believe) no one has played with urist before (i just checked and they said only nanook yeah.)

i tr them for that post. think its more likely to be town being honest cuz if theyre scum the mindset is like

a) i dont wanna fake solving so ill just brazenly say this
or b) i should follow my town meta from my homesite even tho no one in this game hasnt played with me and it would have been easier if i were to play a standard scum game here but ill still push a stick in my bicycle wheel (like that meme) just to follow my town meta from my homesite- that feels unlikely or at least in my mind putting extra effort than normal
or c) something im not thinking of

and none of those seem more likely than just town being honest

but then again i did also very easily wrongly lock towned alison for her effort last game and i was proven that some ppl have different values about how much effort is worth putting and stuff so i could be wrong obv. but i feel good about urist

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:59 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:46 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:45 am What does this mean?

the words tutuu chooses to use seem like they were chosen by town

Elaborate on this?

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:53 am Alison's town

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:48 am I feel like if proto was scum here he'd just play the way people expect him to play rather than going "I am deviating from my play in Space Invaders and here's why". It's not like it's a hard playstyle to fake.

proto said it himself, it would be literally impossible for him to commit to the same playstyle as Space Invaders, and the main reason for why he's saying it seems to be so that he isn't scumread for having a different playstyle.
If anything, proto saying he'll have a different playstyle is slightly scummy.
Giving him a townread for it is scummy as well.

Nah, all scum proto has to do is come in here and post 5000 words theorizing about game mechanics that everyone skims over, and then collect his free towncred. Everything he's done here just reeks of purity, and the "do you think I am scum? What about if I told you X? Shouldn't you scumread me if I told you Y?" thing is a quirk I've noticed he has in his gamesolving style as town. It's also a quirk that I haven't told him I noticed, so I don't think he's intentionally replicating it to pocket me.

(Also do you mean to say "Alison's scum"? Like you said I was town then went on to explain why my read was awful.)

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:22 pm im kinda vibing with alisons posts

i have no idea if i can read her of i will ever be able to read her but my heart is just telling me "alison town"

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:35 pm with the lowercase and no punctuation too OMFG

i mean i just cant not atp

alison 100% lock town never changing never rescinding never reevaluating always ccing