Team Fortress Mafia [END]

[Gavial]

@falcon45ca I think you should bus Gavial.

I'm going to be mindful of not taking my last game w/ Gav into this game



I will say, he does seem a lil nervous around my slot right now



Like, why am I a good towncore if Sean’s a wolf? Gav engaged my RNG POE as tho it were serious, then he'll sheep me on Sean?


While I am somewhat sus of Sean, I don't know why Gav would sheep me, especially at this stage.


I dunno, Gav seems off...a bit nervous even

Interaction with You/Gull/Sean.
1 Wolf, 2 Town.

[Gavial]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Do you not like playing with me or something? Lmao.
You vote me like every game and every time you get a chance to.

[Lime Coke]

I can second the notion of alignment checking Dizzy because I don't know the differences between their town or mafia games.

Pretty sure I've misread them every game here.

[Gavial]

Irdc if I go over, could care less.

My Legacy would be:
Sean/Gull/Falcon - 1 Wolf, 2 Town
Marmot/Dizzy/Lime - Might contain a Wolf. (Not 100%)
Don’t let Jack slank his way to LYLO again.
Don’t push LP unless your are absolutely confident in them being wolf as I would rather not have a repeat of their last game.
I think Sig could be town, least more town then some others but can in theory be wolf.
I am pretty confident in Dolby being town and leaning Martin as well.
Sabie/NAA/TSP/Nanook/Mac/Wilgy I haven’t sorted through yet.

[Gavial]

I can second the notion of alignment checking Dizzy because I don't know the differences between their town or mafia games.

Pretty sure I've misread them every game here.

Just make sure to be careful with Dizzy/Sean/Mac
And don’t let Jack wiggle his way into LYLO.

I mean if you want to keep me alive well I could take care of Jack.


But I don’t mind going over today and just spec watch the game and see what’s up.

[Gavial]

Listen to my legacy as wel!

[Guillotine]

Why are you talking about Legacy reads so early game though.

[Lime Coke]

Oh I know Jack has randed mafia in every game, because I'm always in those games.

If he makes it to final 3 snapvote the shit out of him. I've legitimately never seen him rand town.

[Guillotine]

I think the strategy is chopping scummy people and killing neutrals at night, that way we deny scum of mischops and force them to interact and push active townies,

[Guillotine]

When i say neutrals i mean people we are having a hard time to get a read on.

[Guillotine]

Mac still mot posting is concerning though.

[Gavial]

Why are you talking about Legacy reads so early game though.

Because I can die!

[Gavial]

Oh I know Jack has randed mafia in every game, because I'm always in those games.

If he makes it to final 3 snapvote the shit out of him. I've legitimately never seen him rand town.

Yeah but he’ll just choose someone else to bring to F3 with him that won’t vote him.

So think smart plz.

[Gavial]

I think the strategy is chopping scummy people and killing neutrals at night, that way we deny scum of mischops and force them to interact and push active townies,

I wanna kill Jack but unless I become IC (or at least a not sus target) that won’t happen.

[Gavial]

What are the chances Lime Coke is wolf with Jack?

[Guillotine]

Why are you talking about Legacy reads so early game though.

Because I can die!

Do you feel in danger of dying with only four votes against you?
Do you feel those votes hold that much weight and power? Or just some of them?

Is there a hammer in this game?

[Gavial]

@LinearPoint

[Gavial]

Why are you talking about Legacy reads so early game though.

Because I can die!

Do you feel in danger of dying with only four votes against you?
Do you feel those votes hold that much weight and power? Or just some of them?

Is there a hammer in this game?

I feel like I don’t care and people sometimes enjoy MLing me.
They don’t even regret it, ask @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

[Gavial]

Why are you talking about Legacy reads so early game though.

Because I can die!

Do you feel in danger of dying with only four votes against you?
Do you feel those votes hold that much weight and power? Or just some of them?

Is there a hammer in this game?

I feel like I don’t care and people sometimes enjoy MLing me.
They don’t even regret it, ask @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

[Gavial]

Oh snap sorry for the double post.

[Gavial]

I’m not gonna claim because I’m not a loser.

[Guillotine]

Why are you talking about Legacy reads so early game though.

Because I can die!

Do you feel in danger of dying with only four votes against you?
Do you feel those votes hold that much weight and power? Or just some of them?

Is there a hammer in this game?

I feel like I don’t care and people sometimes enjoy MLing me.
They don’t even regret it, ask @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Giving legacy reads does feel like you care though.
Who do you feel from those votes against you is yhr most threatening to the point of issuing legacy reads? And why?

[Guillotine]

I’m not gonna claim because I’m not a loser.

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

Why would you claim if you are not in danger of getting chopped though?
Like i start making you questions and suddenly you AtE us with “people just enjoy chopping me” and you have claiming thoughts. Hmm?

It’s funny because moments ago i thought you were tonally town but interestingly… looks like that read is taking a turn.

[Guillotine]

And dont get me wrong, if you die and flip town, i will consider your legacy reads but i think it is too soon to start issueing them out unless you believe those four or any of them have the power to get you chopped.

[Guillotine]

Im not sure if Gavial is scum feeling like getting caught for wrong reasons or actually a townie displaying frustration of getting bullied in every game.

[Gavial]

I’m not gonna claim because I’m not a loser.

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

Why would you claim if you are not in danger of getting chopped though?
Like i start making you questions and suddenly you AtE us with “people just enjoy chopping me” and you have claiming thoughts. Hmm?

It’s funny because moments ago i thought you were tonally town but interestingly… looks like that read is taking a turn.

Take the turn.

[Gavial]

And dont get me wrong, if you die and flip town, i will consider your legacy reads but i think it is too soon to start issueing them out unless you believe those four or any of them have the power to get you chopped.

Ah just remember my legacy reads man.
This goes for everyone.


That’s all I ask.

[Gavial]

Im not sure if Gavial is scum feeling like getting caught for wrong reasons or actually a townie displaying frustration of getting bullied in every game.

I mean.
I’ll tell you something.
If I ever went in a game where Nanook wasn’t voting me at all and town read me I’d probably consider him town.

[Gavial]

Also there is literally zero case on me other then “easy Ml”

Think I really care though? Lol.
It’s Day 1, I’m not invested in this game yet to actually care about my slot.

[Gavial]

I don’t want people pushing Lime Coke because he started a push on me.

In fact if anyone does that you should consider them wolf.

[Gavial]

Even if they aren’t it’s beneficial to remove someone like that from the game in order to achieve WinCon.

[Gavial]

If you vote a player because you don’t like them or they are playing bad you aren’t playing the game right.


You should have to vote a player that is actually likely wolf by either showing signs of deception or showing signs of faking of some sort. (And anything similar to such.)

[Gavial]

That’s the best advice anyone can give to town.

[Gavial]

For the rest of the day phase I’m taking control of this thread.
I will be going through.
My ML will be taking place.


Anyone who votes off me or try’s to go elsewhere will be noticed and everyone should highly look into them and their motivation.

[Gavial]

This of course only applies to those already voting me.

[LinearPoint]

What are the chances Lime Coke is wolf with Jack?

I mean Jack hasn't posted yet so the only reason for this connection would be LC saying they've never seen Jack as Town which I mean I've not seen Jack as Town either but I don't see LC as using that to justify for or against a Jack lynch.
So like if you're wanting a serious answer it's roughly the probability any 2 specific people both roll Mafia. There's nothing really in LC's post about Jack that would confirm or deny a connection between them in any real way.
Personally I don't really like the arguments of "X is always Y" as a justification for or against anything as probability is a bitch and everything is in isolation with odds of being Mafia varying from game to game.

[LinearPoint]

I'll also say I'm not really seeing a difference between Gavial's posts this game and the previous one where he was Town.
I don't know how he acts as Mafia though and would assume he acts mostly the same.

[LinearPoint]

Not really seeing something in Gav screaming Mafia though at the moment.
While I would normally say being overly defensive is a typical Mafia tell, Gav is also just an overly defensive person even as Town from my experience with him.

[Guillotine]

For the rest of the day phase I’m taking control of this thread.
I will be going through.
My ML will be taking place.


Anyone who votes off me or try’s to go elsewhere will be noticed and everyone should highly look into them and their motivation.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

You are not gonna manipulate my vote and i dont give a fuck if im looked into.

[Gavial]

Guillo Hard Null.

[Guillotine]

Guillo Hard Null.

You are yet to answer my questions, you have been deflecting and avoiding to commit to a read on any of those four people voting you, except me.

How come?

[Guillotine]

Actually not even me, hard nulling me is not committing to a read on me at all. What's going on? Afraid to spew me town if you are scum?

[LinearPoint]

A few other short reads.

Sig has an odd posting style, but I've seen it from Town Sig and nothing stands out as an obvious Mafia tell at the moment.
Dolby is weird. Their either a really ballsy Mafia suggesting a D0 Massclaim or Town since Mafia are going to want to shy away from blatantly saying something that would benefit the Mafia a lot more than Town.
Seanzie I don't know about. On the one hand they jumped pretty quickly on the massclaim idea, but their posts seem to indicate an actual through process was going on and they eventually realized it probably hurts Town more than it helps.
Wiggly is Spy or Pyro, maybe a Spyro. Part of me wants to give him a Town pass just because Mafia hardclaiming immediately is not something I really see them wanting to do especially if they are claiming a protective role like Pyro.
Guillotine feels weird, they are just all over the place and I can't tell if they are fishing to see what people will latch onto and bandwagon with or just a quirky person.
Falcon is oddly very active this game which they were pretty inactive when I've seen them and they were Town and based on what Guillotine said earlier about Falcon's scum game I'd say this is probably going to end up flipping Mafia.
LC and Mac I'm both going to put in the category of I don't want to see an early game lynch of them, they are high prio Mafia kill targets I feel so they'll die off or be revealed as Mafia eventually be it through checking them or living a long time.

[Guillotine]

Oh.. you are self voting Gavial, if you are town, you are game throwing and all the times you say you are getting chopped because people enjoy chopping you would be justified if this is what you do as town.

[LinearPoint]

So I'ma go with my only gut scum read atm.
[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

[Guillotine]

A few other short reads.

Sig has an odd posting style, but I've seen it from Town Sig and nothing stands out as an obvious Mafia tell at the moment.
Dolby is weird. Their either a really ballsy Mafia suggesting a D0 Massclaim or Town since Mafia are going to want to shy away from blatantly saying something that would benefit the Mafia a lot more than Town.
Seanzie I don't know about. On the one hand they jumped pretty quickly on the massclaim idea, but their posts seem to indicate an actual through process was going on and they eventually realized it probably hurts Town more than it helps.
Wiggly is Spy or Pyro, maybe a Spyro. Part of me wants to give him a Town pass just because Mafia hardclaiming immediately is not something I really see them wanting to do especially if they are claiming a protective role like Pyro.
Guillotine feels weird, they are just all over the place and I can't tell if they are fishing to see what people will latch onto and bandwagon with or just a quirky person.
Falcon is oddly very active this game which they were pretty inactive when I've seen them and they were Town and based on what Guillotine said earlier about Falcon's scum game I'd say this is probably going to end up flipping Mafia.
LC and Mac I'm both going to put in the category of I don't want to see an early game lynch of them, they are high prio Mafia kill targets I feel so they'll die off or be revealed as Mafia eventually be it through checking them or living a long time.

Im scum hunting, so you best believe i will be all over the place looking for answers, is that a problem for you?

There is something i dont understand.

First you say that im weird so im guessing you have me as a null cause you can't decide on your read of me but then in your falcon read, you take what i say and conclude that Falcon is mafia. Why would you take the word of your null read as basis to scum read someone else?

Now, THAT IS WEIRD

[LinearPoint]

A few other short reads.

Sig has an odd posting style, but I've seen it from Town Sig and nothing stands out as an obvious Mafia tell at the moment.
Dolby is weird. Their either a really ballsy Mafia suggesting a D0 Massclaim or Town since Mafia are going to want to shy away from blatantly saying something that would benefit the Mafia a lot more than Town.
Seanzie I don't know about. On the one hand they jumped pretty quickly on the massclaim idea, but their posts seem to indicate an actual through process was going on and they eventually realized it probably hurts Town more than it helps.
Wiggly is Spy or Pyro, maybe a Spyro. Part of me wants to give him a Town pass just because Mafia hardclaiming immediately is not something I really see them wanting to do especially if they are claiming a protective role like Pyro.
Guillotine feels weird, they are just all over the place and I can't tell if they are fishing to see what people will latch onto and bandwagon with or just a quirky person.
Falcon is oddly very active this game which they were pretty inactive when I've seen them and they were Town and based on what Guillotine said earlier about Falcon's scum game I'd say this is probably going to end up flipping Mafia.
LC and Mac I'm both going to put in the category of I don't want to see an early game lynch of them, they are high prio Mafia kill targets I feel so they'll die off or be revealed as Mafia eventually be it through checking them or living a long time.

Im scum hunting, so you best believe i will be all over the place looking for answers, is that a problem for you?

There is something i dont understand.

First you say that im weird so im guessing you have me as a null cause you can't decide on your read of me but then in your falcon read, you take what i say and conclude that Falcon is mafia. Why would you take the word of your null read as basis to scum read someone else?

Now, THAT IS WEIRD

I don't remember saying I was a normal person, did I?

To be honest its mostly since I've only seen Town Falcon and he was flaky and avoiding talking.
While it may be naive to trust you in saying Falcon is very aggressive as Mafia it would line up with my experience and his current behavior.
I currently null read you because I'm unsure how to really interrupt your whole on and off Sig vote and haven't played with you.

[Guillotine]

A few other short reads.

Sig has an odd posting style, but I've seen it from Town Sig and nothing stands out as an obvious Mafia tell at the moment.
Dolby is weird. Their either a really ballsy Mafia suggesting a D0 Massclaim or Town since Mafia are going to want to shy away from blatantly saying something that would benefit the Mafia a lot more than Town.
Seanzie I don't know about. On the one hand they jumped pretty quickly on the massclaim idea, but their posts seem to indicate an actual through process was going on and they eventually realized it probably hurts Town more than it helps.
Wiggly is Spy or Pyro, maybe a Spyro. Part of me wants to give him a Town pass just because Mafia hardclaiming immediately is not something I really see them wanting to do especially if they are claiming a protective role like Pyro.
Guillotine feels weird, they are just all over the place and I can't tell if they are fishing to see what people will latch onto and bandwagon with or just a quirky person.
Falcon is oddly very active this game which they were pretty inactive when I've seen them and they were Town and based on what Guillotine said earlier about Falcon's scum game I'd say this is probably going to end up flipping Mafia.
LC and Mac I'm both going to put in the category of I don't want to see an early game lynch of them, they are high prio Mafia kill targets I feel so they'll die off or be revealed as Mafia eventually be it through checking them or living a long time.

Im scum hunting, so you best believe i will be all over the place looking for answers, is that a problem for you?

There is something i dont understand.

First you say that im weird so im guessing you have me as a null cause you can't decide on your read of me but then in your falcon read, you take what i say and conclude that Falcon is mafia. Why would you take the word of your null read as basis to scum read someone else?

Now, THAT IS WEIRD

I don't remember saying I was a normal person, did I?

To be honest its mostly since I've only seen Town Falcon and he was flaky and avoiding talking.
While it may be naive to trust you in saying Falcon is very aggressive as Mafia it would line up with my experience and his current behavior.
I currently null read you because I'm unsure how to really interrupt your whole on and off Sig vote and haven't played with you.

Nah, i think you know im town and accidentally TMIed me as such.

[VOTE: Linear Point] aubergine

Scum

Sig
Dyslexicon
LinearPoint
Gavial?

[LinearPoint]

If I thought you were town I'd say you were town.
For that to be the case you'd have to do something that would indicate you were town.

[Lime Coke]

What are the chances Lime Coke is wolf with Jack?

I mean Jack hasn't posted yet so the only reason for this connection would be LC saying they've never seen Jack as Town which I mean I've not seen Jack as Town either but I don't see LC as using that to justify for or against a Jack lynch.
So like if you're wanting a serious answer it's roughly the probability any 2 specific people both roll Mafia. There's nothing really in LC's post about Jack that would confirm or deny a connection between them in any real way.
Personally I don't really like the arguments of "X is always Y" as a justification for or against anything as probability is a bitch and everything is in isolation with odds of being Mafia varying from game to game.

I can't think of the exact number, but I've had maybe 5 games with JackofHearts. They all have been him randing mafia against me being town.

The first game I'll say that I was 100% fooled, which was the game I linked earlier talking about catching Seanzie as mafia, and Jack hammered Seanzie Day 1 when I was the counterwagon which cleared him in my eyes.

The rest of the games Jack has been mafia and before it became a "streak" I was calling Jack out for specific reasons to be mafia, and then hesitated and pulled back and allowed him to live. Which he would end game every time and mafia wins because of it.

It's probably not a legitimate take or a read on Jack, it's more "I need to make up for not learning my lesson after fucking up a shit ton of times on the same mistake."

And the sad thing is he probably IS mafia this game and he's going to end game and win anyways despite me talking about all of this because the mafia gods fucking hate me.