Re: Anniversary Game 4 - Staff vs AtE D1
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:58 pm
At this moment I'm not voting for Rico, Spacedaisy, Martin, or Trips.
I'm currently fine with my present vote.
I'm currently fine with my present vote.
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/
there was an event? Did I win?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:02 pm Oh yeah, that reminds me
@Boquise
@Dolby
@Dyslexicon
@Epignosis
@Jackofhearts2005
@lucy
@Moonwink
@Ricochet
@Ruri
@Spacedaisy
@TonyStarkPrime
@TripleHaven
@Violet
If any of you all are around for when the mid-day event happens (see Nanook post), PLZ BE THERE >:c
obvious implication that more people there = less risk of scum benefit
Was it the use of comic sans? :PEpignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:55 pmThis is inaccurate.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:17 pmI am going to accuse someone of something that violates my core values.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:15 pm Right now it's like trying to read into/not read into very small things. I'm a bit impatient.
So broad question: How are we, THE TOWN, going to win this? What will you bring to the thread to help us win?
I am going to accuse someone of something in a way that violates my core values.
No. If I wanted to really cause some damage, I would have used Papyrus, which I find even more unsettling, especially when used by people who want to be taken seriously.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:04 pmWas it the use of comic sans? :PEpignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:55 pmThis is inaccurate.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:17 pmI am going to accuse someone of something that violates my core values.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:15 pm Right now it's like trying to read into/not read into very small things. I'm a bit impatient.
So broad question: How are we, THE TOWN, going to win this? What will you bring to the thread to help us win?
I am going to accuse someone of something in a way that violates my core values.
I don't really interpret the messages today, I have an almost photographic memory, the messages serve for a good evaluation of expected strength of players, because I have no meta or experience with any of the old syndicate players. I don't think I should get a pass for anything besides my ability to hunt wolves, everything else doesn't particularly matter. However Epi and Moon being evasive is generally townie, usually when I do this to scum at the start of the day -scum that won't be suspicious d1 who can freely post- tend to answer my questions because that appears *open*.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:02 pm Regarding lucy, I think I lean town there too, but I suppose getting to know other players could be kind of like hiding behind mechanics. You look like you are doing something, but you aren't really doing anything to progress the game.
I'll hold my slight town lead, but I'm not giving lucy any passes. I'd love to hear how she interpreted the responses she got. I should also probably ISO and see if she has given any actual reads or thoughts so far.
every action tells me about your playstyle, as of now my approach was to let you find wolves, because I believe you play independently of the thread you are therefore primarily a solver. and because your vote is on me you try to find wolves before town. to leave you be and to push you is correct play, and I am curious about your read accuracy because to me that is the only question that matters given what I know about you.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37399Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:15 pm I'm also not very impressed by Lucy. Was wondering if she had a mafia game I could look at actually, since I've only played with Lucy as town in the past. @lucy
why's it sus, don't you remember quotes verbatim for at least a few days? furthermore I was not "appearing to solve" or anything, instead I was copy pasting the exact same question at players, I don't understand how that is suspicious when it's so fucking blatantly doing nothing for anyone else, rather I'm strictly helping myself solve in a lobby of players I haven't played with before
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:34 pmThis feels like a weird hedge.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:21 pm Slightly bad vibes from Lucy asking everyone for skill levels and specialties cause I don't see town me ever bothering with that but I'm probably just being paranoid.
"it wouldn't have worked"
stress testingDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:39 pm Also, I'm pretty fine with Rico at the moment. They are paying attention, and I largely agree with their reads and stuff.
[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine
For being outed mafia
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:34 pmThis feels like a weird hedge.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:21 pm Slightly bad vibes from Lucy asking everyone for skill levels and specialties cause I don't see town me ever bothering with that but I'm probably just being paranoid.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:36 pmYou're hedging here. What leads you to this lean?Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:02 pm Regarding lucy, I think I lean town there too, but I suppose getting to know other players could be kind of like hiding behind mechanics. You look like you are doing something, but you aren't really doing anything to progress the game.
I'll hold my slight town lead, but I'm not giving lucy any passes. I'd love to hear how she interpreted the responses she got. I should also probably ISO and see if she has given any actual reads or thoughts so far.
And yeah, I just Comic Sansed your entire post. Deal with it.
This series of posts is funny but I'm agreeing with Daisy here so I'mma leave it alone. Like that's almost exactly my mindset except I used the second section as a reason to not fully scumread Lucy whereas Daisy used it to not fully townread Lucy.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:40 pmRead on and you'll see my mind change.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:36 pmYou're hedging here. What leads you to this lean?Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:02 pm Regarding lucy, I think I lean town there too, but I suppose getting to know other players could be kind of like hiding behind mechanics. You look like you are doing something, but you aren't really doing anything to progress the game.
I'll hold my slight town lead, but I'm not giving lucy any passes. I'd love to hear how she interpreted the responses she got. I should also probably ISO and see if she has given any actual reads or thoughts so far.
And yeah, I just Comic Sansed your entire post. Deal with it.
It isn't hedging. It is that I think it's too early to have more than a slight town lean on anyone. I don't want to put myself in any pockets.
But I am leaning more mafia on lucy now. I can't decide if I suspect her or Triplehaven more atm.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... d=16163250Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:21 pm Slightly bad vibes from Lucy asking everyone for skill levels and specialties cause I don't see town me ever bothering with that but I'm probably just being paranoid.
What like in the back of a Volkswagon?Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:55 pmThis is inaccurate.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:17 pmI am going to accuse someone of something that violates my core values.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:15 pm Right now it's like trying to read into/not read into very small things. I'm a bit impatient.
So broad question: How are we, THE TOWN, going to win this? What will you bring to the thread to help us win?
I am going to accuse someone of something in a way that violates my core values.
Here's town me eating an applelucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:50 pmhttps://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... d=16163250Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:21 pm Slightly bad vibes from Lucy asking everyone for skill levels and specialties cause I don't see town me ever bothering with that but I'm probably just being paranoid.
oh look here's town me doing the same
mafia you can eat an apple, the subtext was "how is it suspicious now that you know I do it as town?"Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:55 pmHere's town me eating an applelucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:50 pmhttps://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... d=16163250Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:21 pm Slightly bad vibes from Lucy asking everyone for skill levels and specialties cause I don't see town me ever bothering with that but I'm probably just being paranoid.
oh look here's town me doing the same![]()
I am pretty funny, aren't I?lucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:56 pmmafia you can eat an apple, the subtext was "how is it suspicious now that you know I do it as town?"Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:55 pmHere's town me eating an applelucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:50 pmhttps://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... d=16163250Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:21 pm Slightly bad vibes from Lucy asking everyone for skill levels and specialties cause I don't see town me ever bothering with that but I'm probably just being paranoid.
oh look here's town me doing the same![]()
funnily enough you proved my point
Theeere we go. I like this out of you. The only incorrect thing is about finding wolves before town. It actually tends to be the opposite for me, buuuut... I won't deny that my approach sometimes out wolves early unintentionally. :3lucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:31 pmevery action tells me about your playstyle, as of now my approach was to let you find wolves, because I believe you play independently of the thread you are therefore primarily a solver. and because your vote is on me you try to find wolves before town. to leave you be and to push you is correct play, and I am curious about your read accuracy because to me that is the only question that matters given what I know about you.
Don't take me snap reading you town as a sign of me not respecting your play; I thought that post about moonwink felt genuine. Whether or not that can fakeable by scum, or can be fake by you specifically, is not relevant to me.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:20 pmWe haven't played with either's scum game as of the moment.
TripleHaven has however, as we were both mafia in a past game, so it kinda surprised me that they v-read me already over something they saw me post rather than any interaction with me. If they're judging that post based on my mafia skill level, I'd say it would at least a bit lower than it should be.
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:47 pmstress testingDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:39 pm Also, I'm pretty fine with Rico at the moment. They are paying attention, and I largely agree with their reads and stuff.
[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine
For being outed mafia
Agree with your interpretation on Dizzy's vote -- figured they were just helping me pressure you to see what would happen. I haven't really bothered thinking too deeply about anything else they've done yet.
Also, it wasn't that I misunderstood. I simply didn't know and decided I'd test to see how deep you actually do play and understand other. :3lucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:47 pm"it wouldn't have worked"
lmfaoooooo, you do know how obvious this was?
not giving answers is information, why would I care about the specific answers when you intentionally wouldn't give them to me. I did care, but you weren't going to give them, you say for yourself voting you wouldn't have worked, ergo voting you is suboptimal. you misunderstand the depth at which I play and understand other players
For the record, I understood that your post was a joke. I still think it comes from town more often than it does mafia.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:59 pm I think Rico is a terrible Day 1 elim, frankly. He's a strong player and if he is town, he's worth having around.
I don't understand Triplehaven's read on me at all. I thought at first it was just nonsense. But then he actually tried to cast it as a real read. The things is, he could have used any of my very honest posts about my experience, strengths, weaknesses, etc. instead he used what was clearly a joke post? I think this could be a case of TMI.
[VOTE: Triplehaven] aubergine
Epi responded to the questions exactly as I would expect him to. I see nothing from him so far that I find AI.
slight town lean on Dizzy and Boq atm.
Oh no. ;-;TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:32 pm Flying spirit back home. If I don’t post again, you know what’s happened
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:24 pmTripleHaven wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:47 pm Most players have admitted they either wont be active at all or wont be active until later today
so im sort of just biding my time until then
unordered readlist
martin
dyslexicon
spacedaisy
epig
ricochet
Rico and me go way back.![]()
I missed Martin's correction, I apologize and will endeavor to use your correct pronouns.TripleHaven wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:32 pmFor the record, I understood that your post was a joke. I still think it comes from town more often than it does mafia.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:59 pm I think Rico is a terrible Day 1 elim, frankly. He's a strong player and if he is town, he's worth having around.
I don't understand Triplehaven's read on me at all. I thought at first it was just nonsense. But then he actually tried to cast it as a real read. The things is, he could have used any of my very honest posts about my experience, strengths, weaknesses, etc. instead he used what was clearly a joke post? I think this could be a case of TMI.
[VOTE: Triplehaven] aubergine
Epi responded to the questions exactly as I would expect him to. I see nothing from him so far that I find AI.
slight town lean on Dizzy and Boq atm.
You are, once again, arguing for points from a town POV, which makes you town.
(Martin has already corrected a few people on this, but please use she or they for me, thanks)
With that kind of talk, Martin's gonna become the most likely nightkill N1 instead of Dizzy if he's town!TripleHaven wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:27 pm Don't know what to think about dyslexicon showboating. I townread them at first for it but now I'm starting to think it's just a playstyle thing.
I've only played with them once or twice.
@TripleHavenTripleHaven wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:47 pm Most players have admitted they either wont be active at all or wont be active until later today
so im sort of just biding my time until then
unordered readlist
martin
dyslexicon
spacedaisy
epig
ricochet
I don't agree to the logic that we should be towncoring people without individually townreading them first. I'm not completely opposed to epi in towncore but you'd have to make the case he is town. Until that point I am perfectly OK with adding space to towncore.Moonwink wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:48 pm@TripleHavenTripleHaven wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:47 pm Most players have admitted they either wont be active at all or wont be active until later today
so im sort of just biding my time until then
unordered readlist
martin
dyslexicon
spacedaisy
epig
ricochet
I wanna collaborate with you to make a 5 person towncore right now.
Here are my rules though:
1.) I'm okay with it having at most two scum in it right now.
2.) It can NOT include Martin, Dizzy, Ricochet, or Lucy
Right now, assuming we're both in the town core, I want to include SpaceDaisy and Epi, because based on the vibes I get from their interactions, I don't think there's more than one wolf between them, if any. Do you agree with this?
I don't know if you read me town or scum right now. If you do, then Epi and I are the two scum you can have in this towncore -- you with me so far? Going with these assumptions, and the conditions I laid out in rule #2, who would be a good 5th person? Would that 5th person change depending if I was scum or not?
People in #2 are probably gonna die sooner rather than later if they are town, I bet, regardless if they are in our towncore or not. I want a semi-longlasting towncore right now. A towncore with any of those four people isn't gonna matter if they die N1. :3TripleHaven wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:59 pmI don't agree to the logic that we should be towncoring people without individually townreading them first. I'm not completely opposed to epi in towncore but you'd have to make the case he is town. Until that point I am perfectly OK with adding space to towncore.Moonwink wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:48 pm@TripleHavenTripleHaven wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:47 pm Most players have admitted they either wont be active at all or wont be active until later today
so im sort of just biding my time until then
unordered readlist
martin
dyslexicon
spacedaisy
epig
ricochet
I wanna collaborate with you to make a 5 person towncore right now.
Here are my rules though:
1.) I'm okay with it having at most two scum in it right now.
2.) It can NOT include Martin, Dizzy, Ricochet, or Lucy
Right now, assuming we're both in the town core, I want to include SpaceDaisy and Epi, because based on the vibes I get from their interactions, I don't think there's more than one wolf between them, if any. Do you agree with this?
I don't know if you read me town or scum right now. If you do, then Epi and I are the two scum you can have in this towncore -- you with me so far? Going with these assumptions, and the conditions I laid out in rule #2, who would be a good 5th person? Would that 5th person change depending if I was scum or not?
GTH I think you're town.
You've basically left me with no options after banning those 4 players and disagreeing to epi. The only option that has posted more than like 5 times out of that group is jack, who hasn't given much to work with so far. Is there absolutely no way I could convince you on anyone in 2)?
I'd be inclined to believe lucy's thing here. There's a "fill out this form" and here are the results. Love it. But...
You don't know my core values.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:50 pmWhat like in the back of a Volkswagon?Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:55 pmThis is inaccurate.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:17 pmI am going to accuse someone of something that violates my core values.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:15 pm Right now it's like trying to read into/not read into very small things. I'm a bit impatient.
So broad question: How are we, THE TOWN, going to win this? What will you bring to the thread to help us win?
I am going to accuse someone of something in a way that violates my core values.
That link didn't work for me, but it's not relevant anyway. I don't care what you did before as a civilian in another game.lucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:50 pmhttps://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... d=16163250Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:21 pm Slightly bad vibes from Lucy asking everyone for skill levels and specialties cause I don't see town me ever bothering with that but I'm probably just being paranoid.
oh look here's town me doing the same
Think TripleHaven answered in more recent posts, still nothing from Boquise.
It was on the sus side at that halfway point because - whilst admittedly absent since - it was the only thing you did and it did not develop. Profiling or asking for meta info doesn't have inherent value until you develop reads or read into the reactions received.lucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:43 pmwhy's it sus, don't you remember quotes verbatim for at least a few days? furthermore I was not "appearing to solve" or anything, instead I was copy pasting the exact same question at players, I don't understand how that is suspicious when it's so fucking blatantly doing nothing for anyone else, rather I'm strictly helping myself solve in a lobby of players I haven't played with before
Dizzy and I can coordinate a vig shot till end of Day 1 as long as we agree on the target.
Does that mean he's a town read in this game right now?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:42 am Epi I learned a lot about formulating reads from you and based on this and Bayesian stuff I’m gonna tell you that I sorta expect your read on Moonwink to be wrong (I have read zero moonwink posts)
It's more-so that it seems to me unless you're just "one of those people" most mafia have difficulty reaching top-posting for d1. At least, not intentionally. 18 posts by that point, by a player I don't expect to top-post and yet is top-posting with that almost half-way into d1, makes my gut yell they're town. Partially because I've also done that sort of read before and have been right about it.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:31 pmHow hard is it to be the top poster with 18 posts?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:34 pm I'm surprised that TH is the top-poster at 18 posts so far lol
If I wanted to make a stupid leap of faith and ignore my past reading mistakes with them I would say they're probably town for this
which I might just to avoid thinking about that
Why is being the top poster meaningful?