The Syndicate

Snow Dog wrote:

thellama73 wrote:"make a federal case" out of something is a common idiom in American English. I do not think two people using it is suspicious.

I'm not familiar with it. It's a term I've not seen in a mafia game I've played yet and now it appears written by two people.

But I neither believe or disbeleive the notion. I merely observe

Made wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I tend to ignore Llamas humor though ( ) and pay attention to his suspicions.

So we should pay attention. If you are NK'd it will probably be llama's doing?

Biggest ping so far. What are exactly are you trying to say here MM

Snow Dog wrote:

thellama73 wrote:"make a federal case" out of something is a common idiom in American English. I do not think two people using it is suspicious.

I'm not familiar with it. It's a term I've not seen in a mafia game I've played yet and now it appears written by two people.

But I neither believe or disbeleive the notion. I merely observe

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Made wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I tend to ignore Llamas humor though ( ) and pay attention to his suspicions.

So we should pay attention. If you are NK'd it will probably be llama's doing?

Biggest ping so far. What are exactly are you trying to say here MM

llama is never lynched for being bad, only for being llama. So just like in Zelda, he might try to get SVS NK'd if he is bad, since she has good insight on his playing ability.

zeek wrote:Not much to go on, all pretty standard D1 stuff.

Snow Dog wrote:

thellama73 wrote:"make a federal case" out of something is a common idiom in American English. I do not think two people using it is suspicious.

I'm not familiar with it. It's a term I've not seen in a mafia game I've played yet and now it appears written by two people.

But I neither believe or disbeleive the notion. I merely observe

We have no federal cases in Britain. Or maybe they all are. We don't use that terminology though, but I've heard it in movies.

Snow Dog wrote:

zeek wrote:Not much to go on, all pretty standard D1 stuff.

Snow Dog wrote:

thellama73 wrote:"make a federal case" out of something is a common idiom in American English. I do not think two people using it is suspicious.

I'm not familiar with it. It's a term I've not seen in a mafia game I've played yet and now it appears written by two people.

But I neither believe or disbeleive the notion. I merely observe

We have no federal cases in Britain. Or maybe they all are. We don't use that terminology though, but I've heard it in movies.

I think there is a misunderstanding. I have heard of a Federal case, but not as an expression used by people.

DharmaHelper wrote:Alright already, calm down. Its a slightly less common phrase than you thought. No need to make a federal case out of it.

thellama73 wrote:Timmer comes off the Apollo Doctrine list! That leaves:
Mongoose
Lorab
and Hedgebaddie.

DharmaHelper wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Timmer comes off the Apollo Doctrine list! That leaves:
Mongoose
Lorab
and Hedgebaddie.

Just so I'm clear, you are resolved to vote a low poster despite the discussion that has been going on?

Snow Dog wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Its an odd mafia phrase that I'm not sure I've seen before. Twice in one game seems funky to me.

The implication is they may have used the phrase in btsc?

timmer wrote:Hey all, I'm on a funeral vacation until tomorrow evening. I'll be in as of them!

reywaS wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Its an odd mafia phrase that I'm not sure I've seen before. Twice in one game seems funky to me.

The implication is they may have used the phrase in btsc?

BTSC or ya know....maybe I read it earlier and it got stuck in my subconscious mind and when I went to grab a similar phrase from my mind that's the one I went for.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:What changed your mind?

z"Metalmarsh89" wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:The question then becomes are you staying on task to avoid suspicion or staying on task in order to legitimately contribute?

Are you purposefully posing questions that llama will deem unanswerable?

Regardless, it is up to the reader to decide. Voting a (presumably) active player will more likely garner a reaction than voting a (presumably) inactive player.

thellama73 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Alright already, calm down. Its a slightly less common phrase than you thought. No need to make a federal case out of it.

I AM MAKING A FEDERAL CASE OUT OF IT!

FZ. wrote:

Long Con wrote:

reywaS wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Humorous antics are an often effective way to deflect suspicion in the early days of mafia games.

Can I assume since you responded with this 7 minutes after I voted for metalmarsh that this is directed at me? If it was directed at me, I must ask what makes it a humorous tactic? Why is it a humorous tactic as opposed to any legitimate attempt at playing the game?

I didn't read DH as specifically targeting you with that statement. You seem to me to be jumping to the defensive pretty quickly... especially since I didn't find your vote for MM particularly humourous or... antical?

Anyways, that made you my best choice for a Day One vote. *votes reywaS*

Actually, your reaction seems more fishy than his. I find that baddies like to vote early on, so they don't seem like bandwagoning. They find a small thing they can latch on to, and use it as a reason to vote. Granted, there are no really good reasons to vote on the first day, but I don't think I like the way you just jumped on him like that.

Russtifinko wrote:Wow, the game has really begun now!

I personally don't find Long Con suspicious for finding reywaS suspicious, because I also didn't interpret DH's original post as being at him. From what I've seen of reywaS before, though, defensiveness isn't unusual. (No offense.)

In response to this from MM yesterday:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:What changed your mind?

z"Metalmarsh89" wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:The question then becomes are you staying on task to avoid suspicion or staying on task in order to legitimately contribute?

Are you purposefully posing questions that llama will deem unanswerable?

Regardless, it is up to the reader to decide. Voting a (presumably) active player will more likely garner a reaction than voting a (presumably) inactive player.

It just gave me pause, I guess. Hope that helps.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Humorous antics are an often effective way to deflect suspicion in the early days of mafia games.

Do you think so? My experience is that people often get lynched wrongly for humorous antics in the early days of mafia games, while baddies lay low or pretend to be helpful.

I see both sides of this matter. However, I think llama's view tends to be the case most often. I will probably vote for someone who is less active.

Why?

Roxy wrote:I will be voting for the first person that votes for a low poster/non voter.

Unless something comes of the very interesting convo betwixt SVS & the Aardvark

Turnip Head wrote:I think the people voting for the people who voted for no reason have less reason to their vote than the people they are voting for.

DharmaHelper wrote:Its an odd mafia phrase that I'm not sure I've seen before. Twice in one game seems funky to me.

DharmaHelper wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Boogs wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Boogs wrote:Roxy me being quiet doesn't make me bad but nice scum try. I find it funny that you keep trying to be so talkative about non related things to blend in. And if you are going to think I am bad and that people are "defending" me, on the roles list there is a team of 3 and a team of 2. I don't think Keterman would be that newbie of a player to defend his only teammate or MP by saying he doesn't feel I'm bad yet. That's ballsy to do on Day 2 and running now into Day 3 when there are so many people left. You're totally misreading me Roxy and I didn't lie about anything. Take the post how you will, but the reason I have been quiet is because I honestly don't have much else to say about the subject. I've said my piece and I don't need to repeat myself and go in circles with the same reason I did what I did when I posted. You all see what I said was my reasoning not voting for Sorsha and how it really got me feeling she wasn't bad with that frustrated civ post similar to my own I've made throughout mafia games here before. I could relate, I knew she wasn't bad and I didn't cast my vote for her. I voted the 2nd got getter to help her out and I didn't have feeling on SVS yet so it is a better chance that I save Sorsha (someone I was feeling good about) than SVS (could be a possible anything). Had I not been working and had some time to post before the lynch was ending, I could have said more but I was on my way home and just got off work to check on my phone.
That's all.

Why did you say "scum"?

No particular reason. Why?

It surprised me to see you use it, it is not a word we generally use. I searched your posts here, and this is the only time you have used it. I searched your posts at RM, and you have never used it there, either. It is not a word I would expect from you.

I'm just going to throw this out here and it may not be what you're thinking, but its something I thought while reading Your/Boogs exchange

Do you think Boogs said scum because he and Keterman are in BTSC and Keterman keeps using the mafiascum lingo and it rubbed off somehow?

S~V~S wrote:Kind of.

I like reading what he writes; I like his word choice. I have never seen him use a word like "scum" before. Plus in the context of "scum try". I have seen that phrase used at other forums, we don't generally say "nice baddie try", we say "nice try, baddie". At least as I recall. I could be wrong about that, but it seems awkward to me.

Next thing you know, he'll start saying "the town" instead of "civvies". The saying is "When in Rome, do as the Romans do", not, "When the Romans are in Greece, the Greeks do as the Romans do". Surprising to see he picked that up from someone in a thread, when he never picked it up from K4J or FZ.

Do you think I am wrong? Keterman is defending him & trying to dicredit Roxy pretty hard, imo. School me, oh Great Dharma

Black Rock wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I think the people voting for the people who voted for no reason have less reason to their vote than the people they are voting for.

I don't think this is true. Why do you say that?

thellama73 wrote:I don't think I will be voting for either DH or SVS today.

S~V~S wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I think the people voting for the people who voted for no reason have less reason to their vote than the people they are voting for.

I don't think this is true. Why do you say that?

I don't think it's true, either. I hope TH comes back and answers you.

DH, I know I am a fool for this, but I am going to ask you to elaborate here. You don't take time to search forums for no reason. I am seeing a tenuous connection between my behavior in Misfits (where I was a baddie & Boogs a civ, though Keterman was bad) and yours in this game. But I am sure you did not go to all that effort to pull a quote where you are behaving as I did when I was a baddie. So stop with the vague and make your point, eh?

thellama73 wrote:I don't think I will be voting for either DH or SVS today.

DharmaHelper wrote:Again I should say nothing I find overly suspicious at this moment in time, but I just thought the coincidence was funny. The same sort of scenario coming up in the game that I won to get to this game, now coming up in this game. Cosmically improbable, yet here we are.

As it stands I'm mulling over a vote for LC.

juliets wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Again I should say nothing I find overly suspicious at this moment in time, but I just thought the coincidence was funny. The same sort of scenario coming up in the game that I won to get to this game, now coming up in this game. Cosmically improbable, yet here we are.

As it stands I'm mulling over a vote for LC.

DH can you expand a little on why you are mulling over a vote for LC? What are you seeing?

S~V~S wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I think the people voting for the people who voted for no reason have less reason to their vote than the people they are voting for.

I don't think this is true. Why do you say that?

I don't think it's true, either. I hope TH comes back and answers you.

juliets wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Again I should say nothing I find overly suspicious at this moment in time, but I just thought the coincidence was funny. The same sort of scenario coming up in the game that I won to get to this game, now coming up in this game. Cosmically improbable, yet here we are.

As it stands I'm mulling over a vote for LC.

DH can you expand a little on why you are mulling over a vote for LC? What are you seeing?

Made wrote:

juliets wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Again I should say nothing I find overly suspicious at this moment in time, but I just thought the coincidence was funny. The same sort of scenario coming up in the game that I won to get to this game, now coming up in this game. Cosmically improbable, yet here we are.

As it stands I'm mulling over a vote for LC.

DH can you expand a little on why you are mulling over a vote for LC? What are you seeing?

huh...asking a lot of questions this game are we...

Just a thought-- do players conform to their own play style benefit themselves further when they are mafia or just because of predisposition?
Not directed at you in particular Juliet, but also Llama and MP, 3 players who have very unique and recognizable play styles.

juliets wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I just looked back at 2013's Game of Champions, and note that nobody voted for the game I hosted in the Day 0 poll, just as nobody has voted for any of the games I hosted in this Day 0 poll. Why are you people not giving good performances (your best performances!) in games I host?

I voted for your nomination for best host for side games, does that count?

DharmaHelper wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I think the people voting for the people who voted for no reason have less reason to their vote than the people they are voting for.

I don't think this is true. Why do you say that?

I don't think it's true, either. I hope TH comes back and answers you.

DH, I know I am a fool for this, but I am going to ask you to elaborate here. You don't take time to search forums for no reason. I am seeing a tenuous connection between my behavior in Misfits (where I was a baddie & Boogs a civ, though Keterman was bad) and yours in this game. But I am sure you did not go to all that effort to pull a quote where you are behaving as I did when I was a baddie. So stop with the vague and make your point, eh?

I don't think I was being vague at all. I noticed the discussion in *this* game about the phrase "making a federal case" and remembered the discussion in Misfits about "scum tell". As I said, I found the coincidence funny. I'm not pointing any fingers at anyone over it, I just thought that it was something sort-of-kind-of poetic, having that happen in two games.

reywaS wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I think the people voting for the people who voted for no reason have less reason to their vote than the people they are voting for.

I don't think this is true. Why do you say that?

I don't think it's true, either. I hope TH comes back and answers you.

DH, I know I am a fool for this, but I am going to ask you to elaborate here. You don't take time to search forums for no reason. I am seeing a tenuous connection between my behavior in Misfits (where I was a baddie & Boogs a civ, though Keterman was bad) and yours in this game. But I am sure you did not go to all that effort to pull a quote where you are behaving as I did when I was a baddie. So stop with the vague and make your point, eh?

I don't think I was being vague at all. I noticed the discussion in *this* game about the phrase "making a federal case" and remembered the discussion in Misfits about "scum tell". As I said, I found the coincidence funny. I'm not pointing any fingers at anyone over it, I just thought that it was something sort-of-kind-of poetic, having that happen in two games.

This really makes me nervous about you to be honest. You say you just pointed this out because it was "kind of poetic"...and I guess the assumption in this is that you wanted everyone else to share your little chuckle. Maybe that's true, but I know that you are a really smart guy and certainly capable of being subtle with your motives. But when it comes down to it, what you actually did there was draw a connection in people's minds to SVS being a baddie.

thellama73 wrote:Timmer comes off the Apollo Doctrine list! That leaves:
Mongoose
Lorab
and Hedgebaddie.

DharmaHelper wrote:

reywaS wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I think the people voting for the people who voted for no reason have less reason to their vote than the people they are voting for.

I don't think this is true. Why do you say that?

I don't think it's true, either. I hope TH comes back and answers you.

DH, I know I am a fool for this, but I am going to ask you to elaborate here. You don't take time to search forums for no reason. I am seeing a tenuous connection between my behavior in Misfits (where I was a baddie & Boogs a civ, though Keterman was bad) and yours in this game. But I am sure you did not go to all that effort to pull a quote where you are behaving as I did when I was a baddie. So stop with the vague and make your point, eh?

I don't think I was being vague at all. I noticed the discussion in *this* game about the phrase "making a federal case" and remembered the discussion in Misfits about "scum tell". As I said, I found the coincidence funny. I'm not pointing any fingers at anyone over it, I just thought that it was something sort-of-kind-of poetic, having that happen in two games.

This really makes me nervous about you to be honest. You say you just pointed this out because it was "kind of poetic"...and I guess the assumption in this is that you wanted everyone else to share your little chuckle. Maybe that's true, but I know that you are a really smart guy and certainly capable of being subtle with your motives. But when it comes down to it, what you actually did there was draw a connection in people's minds to SVS being a baddie.

Thats a bit of a leap, considering the case in Misfits was that neither party had BTSC together, as they were accused of having. If anything the misfits incident weakens this one.

Made wrote: Just a thought-- do players conform to their own play style benefit themselves further when they are mafia or just because of predisposition?
Not directed at you in particular Juliet, but also Llama and MP, 3 players who have very unique and recognizable play styles.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Timmer comes off the Apollo Doctrine list! That leaves:
Mongoose
Lorab
and Hedgebaddie.

And Mongoose has posted in other places.

reywaS wrote:Yeah, you aren't getting my point. I wasn't saying that her behavior in that game in anyway related to her play in this game. My point was that you were mentioning SVS as a baddie from another game in this game and claiming that you weren't comparing the two games. You made a call back to a game where SVS was bad while also mentioning something she said in this game. You don't see how that could possibly paint her in a negative light in this game?

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Timmer comes off the Apollo Doctrine list! That leaves:
Mongoose
Lorab
and Hedgebaddie.

And Mongoose has posted in other places.

She will probably get mad at me for saying this, but she told me she is avoiding logging onto the site because she doesn't want to be asked to do Socky Award related business.