Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 5:07 pm
so b/c you agree or disagree with me or my vote that makes me town or scum? interesting
You have voted early and maybe hastily wasted a vote.Paul wrote:now this is d1
im catching scum that's whyJephthah wrote:You have voted early and maybe hastily wasted a vote.Paul wrote:now this is d1
You have not really given solid reasons for your vote. By your standards of d1 and how this game should be played, should we now vote for you? If not, why?
Do you have tell signs so we can make sure of it?Paul wrote:im catching scum that's whyJephthah wrote:You have voted early and maybe hastily wasted a vote.Paul wrote:now this is d1
You have not really given solid reasons for your vote. By your standards of d1 and how this game should be played, should we now vote for you? If not, why?
Deborah, we do not know the Horsemen's win conditions. They appear, to me, to be an indie team. If they were just another baddie team, then I doubt their win condition would be secret. I think you are reading far too into what I have posted and far too little into what the post has and has not.Deborah wrote:There are two sets of baddies in the game (unless you think The Four Horsemen are civ?). I find it interesting that instead of saying "only the baddies know" you said "the Heathens". Is that because you are a Horseman and thus you without realizing it subtracted your group from your comment? Or maybe you are both Heathens and only said the one baddie group for that reason?Rachel wrote:The only people who know are the Heathens.Paul wrote:who actually thinks Ruth is scum right now show of hands
The Lord is watching, Rachel.
If the question didn't matter, why did you expect an answer?Belshazzar wrote:I don't disapprove of meta in sock games, but I hardly expect great results from it either. It is indeed far-fetched to think that players can fully and precisely out themselves in such circumstances or that, instead, a full and precise profiling of a player can be achieved - and I myself am not pursuing any of this. However, if meta crumbs or trails surface, I will make note of them. That being said, I also think Ruth is pushing it a bit.
If he is new or local? No.Rachel wrote:Does it matter?Belshazzar wrote:First evasive answer of the game.Job wrote:Irrelevant. Why does it matter?Belshazzar wrote:
Linki @ Job: why do you ask for confirmation? are you also new to the site?
If he answers "Doesn't matter. Why does it matter" to a question? Maybe.
I understand.Paul wrote:That's not what I was askingRachel wrote:The only people who know are the Heathens.Paul wrote:who actually thinks Ruth is scum right now show of hands
I was asking how many people think Ruth is scum
Why?Paul wrote:scum post if there ever was oneSamuel wrote:Check in. I see we are all trying to play our little parts. How cute, in that case I recommend not crossing me or I may have to call down some bears on your ass. Just sayin'.
@Host, will it be relevant to the game to figure out who the other players are?
An analysis of the posts that Paul finds so suspicious?Jephthah wrote:Are you seriously asking this?Balaam wrote:Holy early vote! Got any proof there Paul?What exactly do you expect Paul to say?
If we follow this for the rest of the game, and anyone who misattributes events in the Bible, we're gonna have a bad time tbh.Mordecai wrote:I'm in a bit of middle ground on this. Samuel's "I'll call some bears on you" (Elisha reference) was very odd. But not enough for me to call him guaranteed scum yet like Paul has.
On that note, Pauls willingness to do that right out of the gate rubs me the wrong way as well. A lot of jumping the gun going on here. That method of pressuring him with a vote is pointless at the moment, seeing as it's the only vote on Samuel for the time being. One vote does nothing in a game this size unless there is a tie, and I question that technique being employed at the very beginning of day one.
This is the kind of response I was looking for.Paul wrote:so b/c you agree or disagree with me or my vote that makes me town or scum? interesting
Why?Paul wrote:scum post if there ever was oneSamuel wrote:Check in. I see we are all trying to play our little parts. How cute, in that case I recommend not crossing me or I may have to call down some bears on your ass. Just sayin'.
@Host, will it be relevant to the game to figure out who the other players are?
An analysis of the posts that Paul finds so suspicious?Jephthah wrote:Are you seriously asking this?Balaam wrote:Holy early vote! Got any proof there Paul?What exactly do you expect Paul to say?
An analysis of two posts with barely something in them? Either you feel it or you don't. There's no way someone can logically and methodically accuse another person of being bad based on that and come out looking good.[/quote]Jephthah wrote:[quote="RachelWhy?Paul wrote:scum post if there ever was oneSamuel wrote:Check in. I see we are all trying to play our little parts. How cute, in that case I recommend not crossing me or I may have to call down some bears on your ass. Just sayin'.
@Host, will it be relevant to the game to figure out who the other players are?
An analysis of the posts that Paul finds so suspicious?Jephthah wrote:Are you seriously asking this?Balaam wrote:Holy early vote! Got any proof there Paul?What exactly do you expect Paul to say?
you're scumLot wrote:This is the kind of response I was looking for.Paul wrote:so b/c you agree or disagree with me or my vote that makes me town or scum? interesting
Don't twist the reason there is suspicion on you - noone said you were suspicious because they disagreed with you. A lot of other reasons were given, none of them were that.
this post essentially says I could see a wagon on Paul so I'm not gonna commit to voting him but gonna leave the possibility here for later b/c I am scum and need to find a reason to vote someoneLot wrote:I could see Paul getting a lot of votes... I'd consider voting that way. So far not much has stood out for me. Paul has, very much, with posts and practices which seem designed to set himself apart. So has Ruth - what with the apparent fishing for finding out where people are from and then waving it off as a joke.
Out of curiosity, I wonder if anyone felt that their vote in the poll yesterday turned out to be worthwhile. I, for one, do not - at least I have no reason to believe it was for now.
then there's this postLot wrote:I'm just getting a vibe from Paul I don't like... It's not only because he sets himself apart, it's the way he is doing it... like, my practices are so different from yours, how could you possibly lynch me until you've gotten to know me... I don't easily buy that he has an actual suspicion of Samuel... the vote feels like a tactic.
I agree with Balaam. A very early vote is a wasted vote, because 48 hours is a lot of time for something real to happen.
then there's this post as if Lot was actually looking for a specific response from me and his posts are fabricatedLot wrote:This is the kind of response I was looking for.Paul wrote:so b/c you agree or disagree with me or my vote that makes me town or scum? interesting
Don't twist the reason there is suspicion on you - noone said you were suspicious because they disagreed with you. A lot of other reasons were given, none of them were that.
You certainly just put a whole lot of words in my mouth - for the second time (your twisty reason for why people apparently suspected you being the first). Don't try to pass off voting 48 hours early as 'rvs'. You can 'rvs' 48 hours later if you still don't have a genuine suspicion. I have never said what word I use, never whether I would vote randomly on day one, and neither of those things have any impact on why I find you suspicious. The reason I find you suspicious is because it looks to me like you are trying to hide in a defence you know is coming... this one:Paul wrote:then there's this postLot wrote:I'm just getting a vibe from Paul I don't like... It's not only because he sets himself apart, it's the way he is doing it... like, my practices are so different from yours, how could you possibly lynch me until you've gotten to know me... I don't easily buy that he has an actual suspicion of Samuel... the vote feels like a tactic.
I agree with Balaam. A very early vote is a wasted vote, because 48 hours is a lot of time for something real to happen.
basically saying I am getting a vibe from Paul I don't like and putting a bunch of words in my mouth that I did not say
you don't use word scum? fine
you don't rvs on d1? fine
I never said it wasn't fine
this is how I play and how I catch scum
Absalom wrote:Isn't the whole point of being scum trying not to be noticed?
Go not forth hastily to strive,Paul wrote:I don't understand why I would wait to cast my vote I am proud of my vote
I disagree about Paul. I think he's intentionally trying to draw attention, and steer the conversation of the thread. If anything he is my strongest suspect thus far and likely to receive my vote.Absalom wrote:I'm glad it's day 1. Now we can get moving. Despite Paul's early vote, I actually feel good about him. I also feel good about Nicodemus. That leaves.... a lot of other people. I don't know, maybe it's just his name, but Cain dropping in with only two posts, one of which was an accusation and a vote threat is something I noticed. That, and Balaam seems to be coming off a tad hostile.
I am happy you did.Paul wrote:im not twisting any words man i wanted d1 to start so I started it
i still think you're scum and you read into my posts stuff that isn't there
He that is slow to wrath is of great understanding: But he that is †hasty of spirit exalteth folly.
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man.
How could you possibly feel good about another player this early in Day 1?Absalom wrote:I'm glad it's day 1. Now we can get moving. Despite Paul's early vote, I actually feel good about him. I also feel good about Nicodemus. That leaves.... a lot of other people. I don't know, maybe it's just his name, but Cain dropping in with only two posts, one of which was an accusation and a vote threat is something I noticed. That, and Balaam seems to be coming off a tad hostile.
Paul wrote:so b/c you agree or disagree with me or my vote that makes me town or scum? interesting
well okay Deborah but you don't think a buncha hillbillies named Conquest War Famine and DEATH don't need to be delivered unto Hell? There's 34 roles in this game and only 5 heathens so if all it takes to win is getting rid of five assholes this game would be too easy. I don't think it matters as far as suspecting people but if we lynch a horseman you're not gonna see me crying over it.Rachel wrote:Deborah, we do not know the Horsemen's win conditions. They appear, to me, to be an indie team. If they were just another baddie team, then I doubt their win condition would be secret. I think you are reading far too into what I have posted and far too little into what the post has and has not.Deborah wrote:There are two sets of baddies in the game (unless you think The Four Horsemen are civ?). I find it interesting that instead of saying "only the baddies know" you said "the Heathens". Is that because you are a Horseman and thus you without realizing it subtracted your group from your comment? Or maybe you are both Heathens and only said the one baddie group for that reason?Rachel wrote:The only people who know are the Heathens.Paul wrote:who actually thinks Ruth is scum right now show of hands
The Lord is watching, Rachel.
I like this content from Jonah. He seems open minded.Jonah wrote:I don't get why ye sinners are giving Paul a hard time I mean he's trying to identify those who are not doing our Lord's will and you're all turning on him like a bunch of pharisees. We don't have rvs on this site so he's doing what he can to gauge reactions. leave him alone I say and let him do the Lord's work. he's an easy target today because he's not playing like the rest of us but that doesn't make him a heathen. we should be accepting of those who are not like us
This post feels wishy washy without asking any specific questions like you wanna stay on the fence but still act like youre discussing things. I got my eye on you ShazzyBelshazzar wrote:Certainly an interesting start. At first I felt relatively ok with Paul's vote, but now I'm working my way through the details. He certainly did let us know that he'll vote right away for a suspect and he delivered that with brio. Samuel's opener could definitely be read as "scum", especially to a newbie, but I'm really not sold on it yet. I personally took it as the check-in banter and witty sock referencing that most of us did during sign-ups and Day 0. Waiting to hear from Samuel.
As for the rest from Paul, I suspect a culture clash between his way of playing and ours, but it's too early to tell how we'll truly get along. He calls players scum first, reasons second - first time (on Samuel) not before being asked to reason, then (on Lot) he reasons right away, which may be a bit of "fine tuning" on his behalf tbh. His reasonings are a mixed bag so far, some points looking like decent reads, others either reading too much into or simply poor as such - for instance, calling Samuel sus for his avatar (if he really mean it, of course; otherwise...wut); or shooting down Lot for saying "he'd consider voting" as a way of wagoning - in which case he might be unfamiliar that it's mostly an expression some of us use when debating over suspicious players throughout the course of the Day, especially when votes are not changeable, thus we literally save the voting part for last (that's my take on the issue, but I also think it's very little to accuse Lot of). Not to mention he says he "found one scum" in Lot, apparently forgetting he already called Samuel as well, which would make two, in his view. Very, very confusing.
Far from it - I think exactly the opposite about finding out people's identities. I don't like that Paul is going to such pains to seem like he isn't from this site. And Paul and Ruth were my two original suspicions precisely because they seemed to be the two going to such pains to find out people's identities.Job wrote:I won't cry over a dead horseman either, but to be fair, they will only unleash plagues upon heathens because the sovereign are raptured before their coming.
I don't have a good impression of Lot, I think he is trying to intimidate Paul and squash discussion. As well as find out people's identities, let people be.
I still don't like belshazar in particular for that reason and to a lesser extent Ruth.
Yes, for posts like this one. Your tone sounds more insincere, manipulative and condescending.Belshazzar wrote:You like me less than Ruth even though she pushed harder for flushing new players?
That's how I do things, I'm slow on verdicts. Ain't gonna change just because we seem to be clashing mafia styles.Jonah wrote:This post feels wishy washy without asking any specific questions like you wanna stay on the fence but still act like youre discussing things. I got my eye on you ShazzyBelshazzar wrote:Certainly an interesting start. At first I felt relatively ok with Paul's vote, but now I'm working my way through the details. He certainly did let us know that he'll vote right away for a suspect and he delivered that with brio. Samuel's opener could definitely be read as "scum", especially to a newbie, but I'm really not sold on it yet. I personally took it as the check-in banter and witty sock referencing that most of us did during sign-ups and Day 0. Waiting to hear from Samuel.
As for the rest from Paul, I suspect a culture clash between his way of playing and ours, but it's too early to tell how we'll truly get along. He calls players scum first, reasons second - first time (on Samuel) not before being asked to reason, then (on Lot) he reasons right away, which may be a bit of "fine tuning" on his behalf tbh. His reasonings are a mixed bag so far, some points looking like decent reads, others either reading too much into or simply poor as such - for instance, calling Samuel sus for his avatar (if he really mean it, of course; otherwise...wut); or shooting down Lot for saying "he'd consider voting" as a way of wagoning - in which case he might be unfamiliar that it's mostly an expression some of us use when debating over suspicious players throughout the course of the Day, especially when votes are not changeable, thus we literally save the voting part for last (that's my take on the issue, but I also think it's very little to accuse Lot of). Not to mention he says he "found one scum" in Lot, apparently forgetting he already called Samuel as well, which would make two, in his view. Very, very confusing.
Can you provide examples of where Paul has tried to determine identities? I don't remember it and people blend together a little bit.Lot wrote:Far from it - I think exactly the opposite about finding out people's identities. I don't like that Paul is going to such pains to seem like he isn't from this site. And Paul and Ruth were my two original suspicions precisely because they seemed to be the two going to such pains to find out people's identities.Job wrote:I won't cry over a dead horseman either, but to be fair, they will only unleash plagues upon heathens because the sovereign are raptured before their coming.
I don't have a good impression of Lot, I think he is trying to intimidate Paul and squash discussion. As well as find out people's identities, let people be.
I still don't like belshazar in particular for that reason and to a lesser extent Ruth.
Plus, what part of what I've said has squashed discussion? I think I've hopefully added to it? I don't think I have really shut down anyone's angle on anything - just provided my own opinions. If anything, I've been a little surprised by how many people have tried to squash discussion of Paul - where they could be saying 'I don't suspect Paul' they instead try and make it out to be unkind and suggest we leave him be... I find that much more discussion squashing.
The point on Jephthah was interesting, I think I need to go back and read his posts again.
And I agree that the horsemen are a threat. I don't know that I share Job's faith that the faithful would be spared their wrath.
Now now, don't get slothful.Paul wrote:wake me when Samuel shows up
Sweetie calm down. You don't need to be afraid. I'm just saying you're being way too crazy dear and your behavior seems forced. It's making you seem very suspicious and fake hunny.Paul wrote:vote for me then Martha im not afraid of you or anyone at least I am trying