[END] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

[Soneji]

A lot of posts devoted to talking about a mechanic that only matters to endgame numbers for the mafia(with a chance to cancel out naturally), that only could slightly assist the cops in finding the Dons, who to our knowledge have no means of harming them. The question now is to look towards Wilgy who started it or DDL who went full on with it, claimed it made Wilgy likely town and took way too long to acknowledge it as a distraction to actual scumhunting.

Dragon D Luffy

[Scotty]

People that haven't checked in yet in a game that had no Day 0 for them to check in with:
agleaminranks
chaindeath
Serge

Would love to hear from these people before tomorrow or else they have a very good chance to get my vote.

[agleaminranks]

I'm taking my vote off Long Con. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I suspect him.

agleaminranks, come say something.

Hiii, I'm trying to catch up on the posts so far. I didn't get a chance to read through it yet because I just started my new job today as an afterschool math and physics tutor. I'll have something solid to go on in the next few hours hopefully~

[RadicalFuzz]

Refusal to elaborate on a lynch vote isn't enough for a lynch? I disagree, Luffy. Saying "X should be dead" and not explaining the why is either poor play that needs to be pruned or intentional manipulation of mob mentality to keep motives for X's death hidden. I don't like it.

Wilgy you knew perfectly well that your voting plan wasn't going to work before you posted it.

Scotty you didn't put me on that list of people who hadn't checked in. If you made the list off the top of your head why are those 3 on your mind, and if you went down the list how did you miss me?

[a2thezebra]

Refusal to elaborate on a lynch vote isn't enough for a lynch? I disagree, Luffy. Saying "X should be dead" and not explaining the why is either poor play that needs to be pruned or intentional manipulation of mob mentality to keep motives for X's death hidden. I don't like it.

Or it's to gauge reactions of the "X should be dead" statement, to fish for baddie opportunism or manipulation. I'm not sure that it's that but keep the possibility open.

[Epignosis]

I'm taking my vote off Long Con. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I suspect him.

agleaminranks, come say something.

Hiii, I'm trying to catch up on the posts so far. I didn't get a chance to read through it yet because I just started my new job today as an afterschool math and physics tutor. I'll have something solid to go on in the next few hours hopefully~

Damn, that was fast.

[Sloonei]

With that, a few points.

- Enrique has posted nothing but smilies and refuses to answer anything. I don't think this is enough for a lynch, but I wish he started being more helpfun soon.

- Ika made a vote for Silverwolf just for the sake of "getting her to talk". Which is pro-active, but not really necessary, and reeks to me of an attempt to look like he is doing anything. Of course it's mostly paranoia, but I might as well point it out.

- Sloonei doesn't have the time to participate but he apparently has time to read the thread, think I'm suspicious and demand answers from me. I find that curious.

- Matt was way more active last game I played with him. he couldn't shut up. Now he only made one post, about how he intends to read Zebra. I know this is too soon for make such demands, but I miss active Matt.

Don't know if any of those are useful but we might as well discuss them. 28 hours to go, let's move guys.

My behavior is curious in that I am curious about the game, sure. I'm not sure what else you could mean by that.

[Diiny]

You know exactly what he means but you disagree, why pretend otherwise?

[ika]

@ika

If you said anything before you were called out on it, whether you voted first or after, I wouldn't mind as much, but this way it looks like that's just the excuse you came up with for that vote. Get where I'm coming from?

Yes and all I can say is that it's a NAI thing. Any game me and silver play my first vote will always be going to her and most if not all my posts will be addressed at her till I sort her.

If you still think the same then I don't got much else to say.

I'm still mobile so I might be around tonight

[a2thezebra]

I'm taking my vote off Long Con. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I suspect him.

agleaminranks, come say something.

Hiii, I'm trying to catch up on the posts so far. I didn't get a chance to read through it yet because I just started my new job today as an afterschool math and physics tutor. I'll have something solid to go on in the next few hours hopefully~

Damn, that was fast.

What are you implying?

[Sloonei]

You know exactly what he means but you disagree, why pretend otherwise?

Perhaps I was feigning aloofness.

[Epignosis]

I'm taking my vote off Long Con. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I suspect him.

agleaminranks, come say something.

Hiii, I'm trying to catch up on the posts so far. I didn't get a chance to read through it yet because I just started my new job today as an afterschool math and physics tutor. I'll have something solid to go on in the next few hours hopefully~

Damn, that was fast.

What are you implying?

I'm not implying anything. What I said was explicit. I told gleam to say something and gleam did. Hence "Damn, that was fast."

What did you think I was implying?

[a2thezebra]

I'm taking my vote off Long Con. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I suspect him.

agleaminranks, come say something.

Hiii, I'm trying to catch up on the posts so far. I didn't get a chance to read through it yet because I just started my new job today as an afterschool math and physics tutor. I'll have something solid to go on in the next few hours hopefully~

Damn, that was fast.

What are you implying?

I'm not implying anything. What I said was explicit. I told gleam to say something and gleam did. Hence "Damn, that was fast."

What did you think I was implying?

That it was too fast for comfort.

[S~V~S]

I thought he was implying that, here we go, we already have people saying they are not caught up to the thread and it is only halfway through day one.

[a2thezebra]

Hey, at least there's no Day 0. When there's a Day 0 with such frequent posting you have people that never catch up.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

A lot of posts devoted to talking about a mechanic that only matters to endgame numbers for the mafia(with a chance to cancel out naturally), that only could slightly assist the cops in finding the Dons, who to our knowledge have no means of harming them. The question now is to look towards Wilgy who started it or DDL who went full on with it, claimed it made Wilgy likely town and took way too long to acknowledge it as a distraction to actual scumhunting.

Dragon D Luffy

I make a lot of posts about everything, useful or otherwise. You should know that by this point.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Matt was way more active last game I played with him. he couldn't shut up. Now he only made one post, about how he intends to read Zebra. I know this is too soon for make such demands, but I miss active Matt.

This just started yesterday

Thanks for missing active Matt, though, Dragon! I don't think I've ever heard those words before.

Ok sorry, I was probably jumping the gun there. It's just that you not posting all the time felt uncanny.

[Sloonei]

Soneji's name is too similar to mine, this game is hard.

[Epignosis]

I thought he was implying that, here we go, we already have people saying they are not caught up to the thread and it is only halfway through day one.

Nah. I was just amazed that I vote the guy and he shows up and posts.

[Serge]

Hello everyone, I'm Serge.

The traitor thing could theoretically work if everyone votes for everyone in the first day but how would that even be noticed by the moderators? Would we need to post our votes in the thread for this to kick in?

The effect of this would eventually level the playing field of both families if it works out, but still a traitor in the family could be an advantage or a disadvantage that could turn the tide.

Logistics of setting and executing this up is improbable, so I think it won't work.

With the numbers between the families I think we should first focus on scumhunting.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm taking my vote off Long Con. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I suspect him.

agleaminranks, come say something.

Hunting inactives? I don't remember you doing that since Guess Who mafia, or is my memory bad?

[Epignosis]

I'm taking my vote off Long Con. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I suspect him.

agleaminranks, come say something.

Hunting inactives? I don't remember you doing that since Guess Who mafia, or is my memory bad?

That's right. I've had a serious change of heart since hosting Arkham.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Refusal to elaborate on a lynch vote isn't enough for a lynch? I disagree, Luffy. Saying "X should be dead" and not explaining the why is either poor play that needs to be pruned or intentional manipulation of mob mentality to keep motives for X's death hidden. I don't like it.

Wilgy you knew perfectly well that your voting plan wasn't going to work before you posted it.

Scotty you didn't put me on that list of people who hadn't checked in. If you made the list off the top of your head why are those 3 on your mind, and if you went down the list how did you miss me?

I don't like it either, but I've lynched too many civs in this site for that to know it's not a very strong tell.

So I'm being cautious.

[Sloonei]

Hello everyone, I'm Serge.

The traitor thing could theoretically work if everyone votes for everyone in the first day but how would that even be noticed by the moderators? Would we need to post our votes in the thread for this to kick in?

The effect of this would eventually level the playing field of both families if it works out, but still a traitor in the family could be an advantage or a disadvantage that could turn the tide.

Logistics of setting and executing this up is improbable, so I think it won't work.

With the numbers between the families I think we should first focus on scumhunting.

Hello Serge, I am Sloonei. Let's talk about Other Things. Which players have stood out to you in the thread so far, and for what reasons?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

With that, a few points.

- Enrique has posted nothing but smilies and refuses to answer anything. I don't think this is enough for a lynch, but I wish he started being more helpfun soon.

- Ika made a vote for Silverwolf just for the sake of "getting her to talk". Which is pro-active, but not really necessary, and reeks to me of an attempt to look like he is doing anything. Of course it's mostly paranoia, but I might as well point it out.

- Sloonei doesn't have the time to participate but he apparently has time to read the thread, think I'm suspicious and demand answers from me. I find that curious.

- Matt was way more active last game I played with him. he couldn't shut up. Now he only made one post, about how he intends to read Zebra. I know this is too soon for make such demands, but I miss active Matt.

Don't know if any of those are useful but we might as well discuss them. 28 hours to go, let's move guys.

My behavior is curious in that I am curious about the game, sure. I'm not sure what else you could mean by that.

Point is that you seem to be having a lot more time to be active than initially implied.

Not a very strong tell either, though. But I felt like pointing it out.

[RadicalFuzz]

Fair point zebra.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Soneji's name is too similar to mine, this game is hard.

I'm feeling weird because I have to call him Soneji.

When in the other forum he is WPK.

THIS IS SO WRONG

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm taking my vote off Long Con. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I suspect him.

agleaminranks, come say something.

Hunting inactives? I don't remember you doing that since Guess Who mafia, or is my memory bad?

That's right. I've had a serious change of heart since hosting Arkham.

Did many people be inactive in that game so you decided enough is enough?

[Sloonei]

With that, a few points.

- Enrique has posted nothing but smilies and refuses to answer anything. I don't think this is enough for a lynch, but I wish he started being more helpfun soon.

- Ika made a vote for Silverwolf just for the sake of "getting her to talk". Which is pro-active, but not really necessary, and reeks to me of an attempt to look like he is doing anything. Of course it's mostly paranoia, but I might as well point it out.

- Sloonei doesn't have the time to participate but he apparently has time to read the thread, think I'm suspicious and demand answers from me. I find that curious.

- Matt was way more active last game I played with him. he couldn't shut up. Now he only made one post, about how he intends to read Zebra. I know this is too soon for make such demands, but I miss active Matt.

Don't know if any of those are useful but we might as well discuss them. 28 hours to go, let's move guys.

My behavior is curious in that I am curious about the game, sure. I'm not sure what else you could mean by that.

Point is that you seem to be having a lot more time to be active than initially implied.

Not a very strong tell either, though. But I felt like pointing it out.

I am normally much more active than I have been. I've been traveling all day and will be home soon. 4 or 5 small comments on Day 1 is low activity for me.

[Silverwolf]

@ika

If you said anything before you were called out on it, whether you voted first or after, I wouldn't mind as much, but this way it looks like that's just the excuse you came up with for that vote. Get where I'm coming from?

Yes and all I can say is that it's a NAI thing. Any game me and silver play my first vote will always be going to her and most if not all my posts will be addressed at her till I sort her.

If you still think the same then I don't got much else to say.

I'm still mobile so I might be around tonight

ika-the best way for you to sort me is to interact with me or ask me questions. Voting me and saying you want to sort me just looks like busy work. I know you think I had questions about the setup but I think I've got them all answered now. Do you have a read on anyone else based on what's been posted so far?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

With that, a few points.

- Enrique has posted nothing but smilies and refuses to answer anything. I don't think this is enough for a lynch, but I wish he started being more helpfun soon.

- Ika made a vote for Silverwolf just for the sake of "getting her to talk". Which is pro-active, but not really necessary, and reeks to me of an attempt to look like he is doing anything. Of course it's mostly paranoia, but I might as well point it out.

- Sloonei doesn't have the time to participate but he apparently has time to read the thread, think I'm suspicious and demand answers from me. I find that curious.

- Matt was way more active last game I played with him. he couldn't shut up. Now he only made one post, about how he intends to read Zebra. I know this is too soon for make such demands, but I miss active Matt.

Don't know if any of those are useful but we might as well discuss them. 28 hours to go, let's move guys.

My behavior is curious in that I am curious about the game, sure. I'm not sure what else you could mean by that.

Point is that you seem to be having a lot more time to be active than initially implied.

Not a very strong tell either, though. But I felt like pointing it out.

I am normally much more active than I have been. I've been traveling all day and will be home soon. 4 or 5 small comments on Day 1 is low activity for me.

Fair enough. You were more active than me in my first game here, now that I think about it.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

With the numbers between the families I think we should first focus on scumhunting.

I agree.

Any suspects?

[Epignosis]

I'm taking my vote off Long Con. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I suspect him.

agleaminranks, come say something.

Hunting inactives? I don't remember you doing that since Guess Who mafia, or is my memory bad?

That's right. I've had a serious change of heart since hosting Arkham.

Did many people be inactive in that game so you decided enough is enough?

Eh, I've never been fond of inactive players, either as a player or a host. I've been hosting nonstop since October tough, and I've seen plenty of Mafia do little or nothing in that time. Replacements have been hard to come by recently on top of it all.

So yeah, I'm good lynching a no-show Day 1, but I'll vote someone active if there's good reason.

[Diiny]

You know exactly what he means but you disagree, why pretend otherwise?

Perhaps I was feigning aloofness.

For what purpose?

[Sloonei]

You know exactly what he means but you disagree, why pretend otherwise?

Perhaps I was feigning aloofness.

For what purpose?

Game-related ones. What sort of information are you hoping to get out of this line of questioning?

[Diiny]

Silverwolf, are you giving your friend advice because you think they're town or are you saying you think they're scummy?

Linki: a read on you.

[Sloonei]

Silverwolf, are you giving your friend advice because you think they're town or are you saying you think they're scummy?

Linki: a read on you.

Thoughts so far?

[Tangrowth]

Civilians

I'm sorry, but I can't handle this. I'll save you the trouble, but please fix it! I know I'm a pain in the ass.

Civilians

Done, thanks.

[Diiny]

Silverwolf, are you giving your friend advice because you think they're town or are you saying you think they're scummy?

Linki: a read on you.

Thoughts so far?

I'll let you know later.

[Mongoose]

I'm taking my vote off Long Con. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I suspect him.

agleaminranks, come say something.

Hiii, I'm trying to catch up on the posts so far. I didn't get a chance to read through it yet because I just started my new job today as an afterschool math and physics tutor. I'll have something solid to go on in the next few hours hopefully~

Oh wow, imagine seeing you in these parts!


In other news, I think it's transcendent that we are having the Voting a Non-Participant discussion again, and on my first day back!. Historically, I am very fond of this tactic (that is, in the absence of anything meatier -we've certainly had meat in the room on day 1, so to speak).

[a2thezebra]

Hello everyone, I'm Serge.

The traitor thing could theoretically work if everyone votes for everyone in the first day but how would that even be noticed by the moderators? Would we need to post our votes in the thread for this to kick in?

The effect of this would eventually level the playing field of both families if it works out, but still a traitor in the family could be an advantage or a disadvantage that could turn the tide.

Logistics of setting and executing this up is improbable, so I think it won't work.

With the numbers between the families I think we should first focus on scumhunting.

You're civ.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Hello everyone, I'm Serge.

The traitor thing could theoretically work if everyone votes for everyone in the first day but how would that even be noticed by the moderators? Would we need to post our votes in the thread for this to kick in?

The effect of this would eventually level the playing field of both families if it works out, but still a traitor in the family could be an advantage or a disadvantage that could turn the tide.

Logistics of setting and executing this up is improbable, so I think it won't work.

With the numbers between the families I think we should first focus on scumhunting.

You're civ.

Why?

[a2thezebra]

Hello everyone, I'm Serge.

The traitor thing could theoretically work if everyone votes for everyone in the first day but how would that even be noticed by the moderators? Would we need to post our votes in the thread for this to kick in?

The effect of this would eventually level the playing field of both families if it works out, but still a traitor in the family could be an advantage or a disadvantage that could turn the tide.

Logistics of setting and executing this up is improbable, so I think it won't work.

With the numbers between the families I think we should first focus on scumhunting.

You're civ.

Why?

Gut. Mafia doesn't tend to open with a post like that. It's possible, but I doubt it.

[agleaminranks]

Luffy's been making a lot of discussion. I wanna quickly mention this notion I think he and Wilgy co-formulated a few pages back:

I wish I understood what this plan was so I could go ahead and tell you all how foolish it is.

I'll summarize:

Assumption: Don doesn't want to change votes often because that increases the probability of voting for the traitor.

I don't think this assumption holds any water, especially this early in the game. Given that he or she knows who their crew is and no one else, no matter if he or she sticks to one vote or hops back and forth several times, with no other considerations at this time, he or she is just as likely as not to choose a traitor.

I don't have a ton of considerations at this point. In my experience, the people who garner the most conversation early in the games either do so unwittingly (not really the case here) or are confident enough not to worry if the lynch votes pile up. Hmm.

[agleaminranks]

I thought he was implying that, here we go, we already have people saying they are not caught up to the thread and it is only halfway through day one.

Nah. I was just amazed that I vote the guy and he shows up and posts.

I'm fine with hunting me as an inactive, but I just got home from work and would have made my first post about the same time anyways.

[Quin]

I'm going to go with my strategy (which I also urge other people to follow) and 'unofficially' vote ika.

I find it curious that ika would come into the thread in the middle of a discussion about how we should tackle the traitor/don problem and completely ignore the current strategies proposed and just throw a vote where it went. On top of that, there was no elaboration to his vote at all, and he hadn't even posted in the thread until I called him out on her vote. I feel like everything he has said since has been an excuse.

@agle I don't think the don knows who the capo/crew are. Just the consigliere. From what I gather it's all done via PM's to the family's host.

[Diiny]

I thought he was implying that, here we go, we already have people saying they are not caught up to the thread and it is only halfway through day one.

Nah. I was just amazed that I vote the guy and he shows up and posts.

I'm fine with hunting me as an inactive

What do you mean?

[agleaminranks]

@agle I don't think the don knows who the capo/crew are. Just the consigliere. From what I gather it's all done via PM's to the family's host.

Got it, I missed the part about the consigliere being the middle man. Should have read the roles more carefully.

I thought he was implying that, here we go, we already have people saying they are not caught up to the thread and it is only halfway through day one.

Nah. I was just amazed that I vote the guy and he shows up and posts.

I'm fine with hunting me as an inactive

What do you mean?

I mean like, I'm not going to attack Rob back or anything for voting me. He just wanted to fish me out because I was one of only like three inactive up to then.

[agleaminranks]

llama llama ding dong, why'd you vote for Metalmarsh? I don't remember seeing any justification.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I just made a post and it disappeared, what the hell?