The Syndicate

Says he has more fun playing as Mafia. I'm close to the same way, but I also have fun as a power role.
Haaate being vanilla town.

Willing to protect Rico after blue velvet. Doesn't like votes for Sprit. States WIFOM on Made train, but follows anyway.

Throws some WIFOM on Golden's assessment of his own innocent playstyle.

Guesses that whoever cursed Rico with POPPY would state something publicly against it to distance from the curse.

When asked for reads, INH reiterated in good detail what he thinks of Golden, and also disagrees strongly with Rico's reasons for suspecting INH.

INH makes a rainbow list of people with votes.
INH
Dom
TSP
LC
Golden

Golden is surprisingly low, but he put LC low as well. Then again, I don't think anybody thinks INH is strex.

INH makes good arguments for not being the person who cursed Rico.

INH proposes Boomslang, Sprit, or Eloh instead of the other D2 lynches. Given our suspicion of Eloh, not bad looking.

INH votes for LC for self-defense. Clearly he wasn't really expecting a hit.

INH says he'll look at Epi, TSP, Eloh, and Boomslang.
[?], [Tan Man?], [Politician?], and [scum?] respectively, at least for me.

Continues asking for an actual case on him that doesn't have to do with POPPY or a lack of townreads.

INH mistakes Faceless Lady and LC as being on the same team. Genuine?
He doubles down when Epi gives a cage-y response.

INH gets frustrated with people scumreading him for the stupid curse thing.

INH considers several other people as possible FOLs. Including the people that have been cursed (Which I've been considering as well)

INH talks strategy behind the curses, possibly meant to mislead town.

Rainbow list at that point
INH
Boomslang
JOH
Dom
Sprityo
Timmer
Neverwhere
Wilgy
Lorab
Golden
Speedchuck
TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis
Ricochet
Elochin

INH's read on Rico has changed for the worse. Probably due to the tunnelling Rico has been doing.

Votes Eloh. Do people think INH and Eloh are w/w? Makes good arguments there too

Reacts well to the Eloh lynch IMO.

Readlist:
INH
Boomslang
Sprityo
Quin
Speedchuck
JOH
Dom
Wilgy
Golden
TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis
Ricochet
Proceeds to answer questions about the readlist in a reasonable manner.

Votes Rico

More of the same for D4.
Guys I think INH is town.

Also screw it I'm not ISOing Rico.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:18 pm Thank you for actually answering my question.

I still think the answer is more likely to be sprityo.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:36 am P O P P Y I'm Poppy!
P O P P Y I'm Poppy!
P O P P Y I'm Poppy!
P O P P Y That's me!

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:15 pm
Epignosis
insertnamehere
Long Con
speedchuck
sprityo
timmer

These men all knew Pop-pyyyy
One is clearly bad-dieeee
'Cause they won't let me be freeee
And keep stalking me

And posts I haven't looked at. Golden, what do you think of my ISOs? Specifically for Sprit and Epi?

If you were to lack back at INHs posts, I see the posts of a very frustrated man who believes his lynch will prove him innocent. I also see someone with no fear about your own lynch failing to absolve him (which, given how certain you've been, would be a bold play from a baddie since they would fear info).

I need to look back at sprityo.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:20 pm And posts I haven't looked at. Golden, what do you think of my ISOs? Specifically for Sprit and Epi?

I disagree with you about sprit's Elo vote - Tony was clearly going down big time that game, it functions well as a distance move if she is the dragon. And I think you've pointed out a lot of things that are quite compatible with sprit being politician, but I'd need to look myself.

I agree with your epi iso - I don't think he's politician, I think if he's bad he has to be Strex, but I still don't see it that way myself.

I agree with your inh iso too. I looked back at him yesterday and his points about his content have been fair. I haven't really read your quin/boom isos yet.

that *day

Fair enough.

I'll see if I can ISO Golden before the night is up. Then I'll be done ISOing.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:24 pmGolden, how is Quin outed as confirmed town?

He isn't. I don't know who Pamela is.. yet. If she's still alive, she should take someone off the poll today.

I like your Boom iso. He could function as Strex.

We probably have 3 baddies down. It's possible we have 4 if DF was bad. Kevin is clearly alive unless he was LoRab, which I doubt. Woman with Two faces is clear alive unless she was LoRab, which I also doubt. DF was killed by the politicians, so if he is bad he would have to be Marcus Vanston.

We can't be certain that Eloh was Hiram McDaniels, although we can be fairly confident based on evidence that she was neither Cecil nor Kevin, so it's a good shot to continue believing that she was.

MADE - TOWN
JACK - TOWN
insertnamehere - Town
speedchuck - Town
sprityo/Rico - Town
Golden - Town
Dom - Town
Dr Wilgy - Town
Quin - Town
LORAB - TOWN
Epignosis - Town
NUTELLA - TOWN

TIMMER - POLITICIANS
ELOH - POLITICIANS
Ricochet/Sprit - Politicians

LONG CON - STREX
Boomslang - Strex
DF - STREX

TonyStarkPrime - Tan

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I bolded the ones I felt most confident in. CAPS are dead townies. This is my running theory. I'm trying to see a cohesive picture, and it's hard with two scumteams.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:53 pm TIMMER - POLITICIANS
ELOH - POLITICIANS
Ricochet/Sprit - Politicians

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:53 pm Ricochet... - Politicians

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:14 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:53 pm Ricochet... - Politicians

I didn't ISO you. If you have a reason for me to not put you in that slot, please do post it.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:16 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:14 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:53 pm Ricochet... - Politicians

I didn't ISO you. If you have a reason for me to not put you in that slot, please do post it.

Anyone can choose not to use the PM and fake the curse, so that doesn't objectively rule you out, Rico.

I think a better reason is that you were hunting timmer.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:19 pm Anyone can choose not to use the PM and fake the curse, so that doesn't objectively rule you out, Rico.

Your sarcasm is noted.

Golden, can you link to the timmer hunting?

Isolate Posts by Ricochet

Not clicking on that

Epi. I'm interested in your thoughts on tinfoil world.

Specifically, that world is that Elo was actually Cecil, that she did write those early Cecil posts, and that Wilgy and Tony are Strex and have conspired to make it appear in thread that Elo is actually Hiram (Wilgy having taken over the Cecil role).

My thought is that this is not the case for a few reasons:

1) The politicians, knowing Elo wasn't Hiram and getting immediate evidence that Kevin apparently still exists (due to silencing), would likely be going after Wilgy harder in the thread for being bad by this point, or have at least introduced this tinfoil theory

2) I don't think Elo did write those posts, but your input would help on this

3) I think Wilgy has also exhibited knowledge of the identity John, the farmer.

4) Tony initially thought Elo was Kevin, and this felt genuine, which doesn't seem like a co-ordinated plot with Wilgy saying she was Hiram.

But I want to solicit opinion, because it's a pretty key thing in narrowing it down. But as I wrote that list, I've pretty much convinced myself that's definitely not right.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

LoRab was killed by Strex. If Elo is Hiram and the politicans kill tonight, LoRab is confirmed town.

Also, the apache tracker could potentially rule someone out (or in) tonight if the politicans are down to one, so lets all be mindful of that tomorrow.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:21 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:19 pm Anyone can choose not to use the PM and fake the curse, so that doesn't objectively rule you out, Rico.

You roll your eyes, but I've seen the tactic too many times to pay any attention. I am convinced you are not politician at the moment, but that's a bad reason why.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:24 pm Isolate Posts by Ricochet

Not clicking on that

Not ISOing for others, but he pointed out the timmer/deborah comparison very clearly, especially given how little has been clear from him otherwise.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:26 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:21 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:19 pm Anyone can choose not to use the PM and fake the curse, so that doesn't objectively rule you out, Rico.

You roll your eyes, but I've seen the tactic too many times to pay any attention. I am convinced you are not politician at the moment, but that's a bad reason why.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:26 pm I've seen the tactic too many times

Rico?

Hm.

Fair enough. And like you pointed out, Rico hasn't been concerned with looking bad.

If Ricochet was physically capable of using words to communicate with his peers, I'd like for him to explain why, if I was on the same team as Elochin, I'd bring her up suddenly during Day 3, and campaign for her to be lynched, injecting her name into the conversation when no one else really cared about her. Even then, when she flipped, she'd come up as town, rendering any town cred utterly worthless.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:33 pm If Ricochet was physically capable of using words to communicate with his peers, I'd like for him to explain why, if I was on the same team as Elochin, I'd bring her up suddenly during Day 3, and campaign for her to be lynched, injecting her name into the conversation when no one else really cared about her. Even then, when she flipped, she'd come up as town, rendering any town cred utterly worthless.

You're suggesting I shouldn't believe you would not send a pm and fake a curse because I've never seen you do it, when you are literally spending the whole game playing with a curse-like gimmick?

I won't buy that. You aren't politician but that's not why.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:37 pm You're suggesting I shouldn't believe you would not send a pm and fake a curse because I've never seen you do it, when you are literally spending the whole game playing with a curse-like gimmick?

I won't buy that. You aren't politician but that's not why.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:37 pm curse-like gimmick

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:37 pm curse-like

What I really need is a list of who can still be in each faction, tinfoil aside. Eg, who voted long con? Speedchuck definitely, I don't think he's strex. Hang on, I'll look back.

@rico, are you trying to imply you aren't acting in a manner consistent with a curse?

Sprit and inh are the others who voted lc. None of it seemed buslike. At this point I'd put money on inh being town.

Still could be strex?

Rico
Quin
Epi
Boomslang
DF
Dom

I think that this is the full list? The last two strex probably come from that list.

Does anyone have a reason that I should remove any of them?

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:45 pm What I really need is a list of who can still be in each faction, tinfoil aside. Eg, who voted long con? Speedchuck definitely, I don't think he's strex. Hang on, I'll look back.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:38 am

speedchuck

Golden
Dom
Long Con

Long Con -

Long Con

I could vote for LC. I've only got an hour left and then I'm not going to be around consistently for end day.

Reading over an ISO of LC, IMO, points to potential alignment with Dom. That one reason I am a little more okay with voting those two than my other scumreads.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:21 am

speedchuck

Epignosis
insertnamehere
Ricochet
Jackofhearts2005
Boomslang

Boomslang - I've had very little impression. I don't remember anything Booms has contributed, and that worries me. According to votes, he's been after TSP for some time. Was the last vote on Made. Not a good look if TSP is town. Perhaps an okay look if TSP is scum. Double scumteams hurts voter analysis.

Curious about your top three here. Everyone seems to have a stronger read on Boomslang than I do. I don't get it.

Has boomslang posted today?

I'll knock him off of my list. I'm between

INH
Boomslang
Sprit

I want Jack around a little longer, and Rico... I wouldn't oppose a lynch there, but I also don't reeeallly think Rico is scum. It's iffy.

Much rather would have Rico die than INH

Bleh. Whatever.

Boomslang
1
7%
Voters: speedchuck

Marcus Vanston

Speed was instrumental to the lc lynch...

Is there any reason to presume any of those on my list are not Marcus? Doms choice to miss the lynch could have been tactical eg. Part of my choice to create a tie was around potential exposure of Marcus.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:59 pm Speed was instrumental to the lc lynch...

Ricochet wrote:Golden
Dom
Long Con

Golden wrote:instrumental

I've never actually been able to figure out what those x-eyed faces mean on your reads, rico

[/quote]

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:01 pm Is there any reason to presume any of those on my list are not Marcus? Doms choice to miss the lynch could have been tactical eg. Part of my choice to create a tie was around potential exposure of Marcus.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:49 pm Rico

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:49 pm Quin
Epi
Boomslang
DF
Dom

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:16 pm I've never actually been able to figure out what those x-eyed faces mean on your reads, rico

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =20&t=1373

Ricochet wrote:

Anybody else got an idea? He linked to the polls. But I haven't voted for Golden or Dom. Only LC.

rico, I know you struggle with words, but you should read some instead of relying on voting analysis. Speeds words and process around coming to that vote make him clearly not strex.

Linki - well, I lean away from it being you (and epi) but your say so isn't really a reason.

I'm leaning back towards Dom being on lcs team, which is what I thought to begin with.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:21 pm Anybody else got an idea? He linked to the polls. But I haven't voted for Golden or Dom. Only LC.

They represent votes to lynch someone.

You're the third vote, so it's a 'current status at your vote' thing.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:36 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:33 pm If Ricochet was physically capable of using words to communicate with his peers, I'd like for him to explain why, if I was on the same team as Elochin, I'd bring her up suddenly during Day 3, and campaign for her to be lynched, injecting her name into the conversation when no one else really cared about her. Even then, when she flipped, she'd come up as town, rendering any town cred utterly worthless.

I don't think Rico is a pussycat, but I do think he's been role hinting.

Although I'm less sure now than I used to be.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:39 pm rico, I know you struggle with words, but you should read some instead of relying on voting analysis. Speeds words and process around coming to that vote make him clearly not strex.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:45 pm Although I'm less sure now than I used to be.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:49 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:45 pm Although I'm less sure now than I used to be.

Well, I mean... I don't want to explain too overtly... but it's nothing you've done that makes me less sure. And you probably are what I think you are. But, don't blame me too much if I'm paranoid about role hinting when it's pretty clear you haven't picked up on mine.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:59 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:49 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:45 pm Although I'm less sure now than I used to be.

Well, I mean... I don't want to explain too overtly... but it's nothing you've done that makes me less sure. And you probably are what I think you are. But, don't blame me too much if I'm paranoid about role hinting when it's pretty clear you haven't picked up on mine.

Rico, other than yourself, whose lynch would you most oppose?

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:21 pm Rico, other than yourself, whose lynch would you most oppose?