nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:56 pm
I'm not Ramses. I trust the same group as y'all plus TH.
Why TH?
Tbh his voting record is not as good as I thought but his posts have that genuine hunting feel and i believe he's coming from a town place. I especially like his recent pressure on Fractal as it was against the grain until now, and I also liked his progression from suspecting me to then agreeing with my case on Colin/pursuing Colin on d3 I think it was. He doesn't make sense as mafia in my mind.
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:29 pm
Although I do have a slight Ramses tinfoil read on Nutella.
Explain.
She said she had a cool role, she does this on other occasions, but it’s a plea that reduces lynch risk st the expense of nk risk - of which there’s none for Ramses.
She seemed to suggest the music choices maybe made Ramses posts as Rico made. This doesn’t make sense to me...
But it does make sense that her early posting with Ramses theories could be misdirection.
Nutella almost died to lynches on days 1 and 2, if I remember right. I have faith that, if she were Ramses, she'd be better than that.
Re: [NIGHT 4] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:14 pm
by ColinIsCool
I can remove nutella from suspicion (as much as I can clear you) if you’re really going to clear her that thoroughly. I’m looking most at INH, Fractal, Sig, Dom, Marmot and Nijuu, I think.
Re: [NIGHT 4] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:14 pm
by Golden
Pressuring fractal right now isn’t particularly enlightened in my view, he’s the obvious choice for who is bad.
A bad read on Fractal is definitely tinfoil right now. If inh is bad, fractal was sloppy. If inh is good, fractal walked back an apparent promise for no real gain. But it’s the second time in a row he’s featured one way or the other as a critical vote in a lynch on a townie.
An inh/colin/fractal team is likely too obvious just because it’s sloppy. But sloppy does happen.
Anyway, circuitous way of saying a fractal suspicion right now seems to me to be obvious but also skin deep. But I’ll have another read in case he’s gone deeper than I thought.
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:29 pm
Although I do have a slight Ramses tinfoil read on Nutella.
Explain.
She said she had a cool role, she does this on other occasions, but it’s a plea that reduces lynch risk st the expense of nk risk - of which there’s none for Ramses.
She seemed to suggest the music choices maybe made Ramses posts as Rico made. This doesn’t make sense to me...
But it does make sense that her early posting with Ramses theories could be misdirection.
Nutella almost died to lynches on days 1 and 2, if I remember right. I have faith that, if she were Ramses, she'd be better than that.
Nutella has a habit of taking early suspicion, no matter what the circumstance.
Re: [NIGHT 3] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:16 pm
by Ricochet
Re: [NIGHT 4] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:18 pm
by nutella
My point is TH started suspecting Fractal before the event that made him particularly suspicious, before which he was a pretty solid consensus town read.
Re: [NIGHT 4] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:19 pm
by nutella
Hmm nobody wants a prize? Can I get two in a row then
Re: [NIGHT 4] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:20 pm
by Turnip Head
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:14 pm
Pressuring fractal right now isn’t particularly enlightened in my view, he’s the obvious choice for who is bad.
A bad read on Fractal is definitely tinfoil right now. If inh is bad, fractal was sloppy. If inh is good, fractal walked back an apparent promise for no real gain. But it’s the second time in a row he’s featured one way or the other as a critical vote in a lynch on a townie.
An inh/colin/fractal team is likely too obvious just because it’s sloppy. But sloppy does happen.
Anyway, circuitous way of saying a fractal suspicion right now seems to me to be obvious but also skin deep. But I’ll have another read in case he’s gone deeper than I thought.
Re: Fractal I don't think it's "obvious". I mean what if nobody brought up his name? I don't understand fully what you mean here.
Anyways I agree that that ^ team, in all likelihood, isn't 3/3 connected to each other, which does poke flaws in the whole premise of all three being bad individually.
Re: [NIGHT 4] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:21 pm
by Turnip Head
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:19 pm
Hmm nobody wants a prize? Can I get two in a row then
Waitwhat
Re: [NIGHT 4] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:34 pm
by Golden
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:19 pm
Hmm nobody wants a prize? Can I get two in a row then
From my perspective I just don't have the energy to put into the kind of thing you were doing. I wish I did, I'd like a prize.
I'm glad to hear you won though, although I assumed you would. Your freestyle was epic.
Re: [NIGHT 4] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:34 pm
by nutella
I probably wasnt supposed to say that
Re: [NIGHT 4] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:39 pm
by sig
My freestyle was pretty epic too.
Imma kill you Computer, I will destroy your very soul! Unless I get a prize sometime to.
Also oops I thought Scotty was faking the curse to not get lynched.
Re: [NIGHT 4] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:43 pm
by Golden
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:18 pm
My point is TH started suspecting Fractal before the event that made him particularly suspicious, before which he was a pretty solid consensus town read.
Oh right, gotcha.
Sorry TH, I conflated nutella's rad of you with your sudden huntiness today. From my perspective, I've had no impression of you at all. If you'd just started hunting Fractal today, it would have been obvious just because he suggested he'd break the tie and didn't, so he's the obvious candidate.
That both speed and I came out of that lynch imagining inh/colin/fractal duos is enough for me to see this as the 'obvious' answer which also means we should be careful not to run headlong into it in my opinion.
Re: [NIGHT 4] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:48 pm
by Turnip Head
Yeah that's fair Golden. I wasn't actually here at EoD so the tie isn't factoring into my fractal integer wholly.
Re: [NIGHT 4] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:50 pm
by Turnip Head
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:48 pmI wasn't actually here at EoD so the tie isn't factoring into my fractal integer wholly.
I think this qualifies me for extra credit with [mention]Dom[/mention] btw
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:48 pmI wasn't actually here at EoD so the tie isn't factoring into my fractal integer wholly.
I think this qualifies me for extra credit with @Dom btw
honestly that joke is a bit derivative, let's not go off on a tangent here since the differentiating between fractions and integers isn't really integral to solving the game
Re: [NIGHT 4] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:56 pm
by Golden
I dunno, i factors into my calculus.
I cosine TH's request for extra credit.
Re: [NIGHT 4] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:56 pm
by Golden
(I hope this isn't angle shooting)
Re: [NIGHT 4] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:03 pm
by speedchuck
*groan*
Re: [NIGHT 4] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:05 pm
by nutella
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:56 pm
(I hope this isn't angle shooting)
Oh don't be obtuse
[DAY 5] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:00 pm
by Ricochet
Re: [DAY 5] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:01 pm
by Ricochet
Nowhere Newsman wrote:
*bing bong DING DONG* what's up? it's News! thank you for joining us for our penultimate episode!
the greatest burden in life is never knowing when or where you're going to die. how can you make plans if you could get killed by the mafia at any moment? it's absurd. it's stupid. i want to always live like im dying, and do all the things I know I'd regret never doing if I didn't get to do them. right now lynching marmot is near the top of that list.
see ya later, News fans
Re: [Day 5] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:08 pm
by Turnip Head
That was the first vid I watched and I'm confused but intrigued but mostly just confused
Nowhere Newsman wrote:
*bing bong DING DONG* what's up? it's News! thank you for joining us for our penultimate episode!
the greatest burden in life is never knowing when or where you're going to die. how can you make plans if you could get killed by the mafia at any moment? it's absurd. it's stupid. i want to always live like im dying, and do all the things I know I'd regret never doing if I didn't get to do them. right now lynching marmot is near the top of that list.
see ya later, News fans
Well you know I love a good Marmot hangin'.
Re: [Day 5] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:13 pm
by Golden
under the bus unwarmed peerage this was you Trusty John cursed me but you really should calculating aided me instead!
Re: [Day 5] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:33 pm
by Julinook
Re: [Day 5] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:37 pm
by Julinook
RETURN THE SLAB OR SUFFER MY CURSE
Re: [Day 5] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:44 pm
by Turnip Head
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:13 pm
under the bus unwarmed peerage this was you Trusty John cursed me but you really should calculating aided me instead!
I agree about Trusty John but the rest of this looks like nonsense
Re: [Day 5] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:46 pm
by insertnamehere
Apologies for my inactivity. I should be able to review the thread and give reads before the EOD.
Re: [Day 5] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:02 pm
by nutella
Re: [Day 5] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:11 pm
by Turnip Head
Oh yeah rip Nutella tbh
Re: [Day 5] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:21 pm
by sig
I won't lie nutella dying is good for the civs. It means she wasn't mafia and we can look back at d1 and d2 with fresh eyes.
We have two paths right now.
1. We need to 180 and the top civ reads are really mafia
2. We just start weed whacking out inactives/semi active ppl who have done suspicious stuff.
Re: [Day 5] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:27 pm
by speedchuck
Right now my two biggest question marks are Dom 2.0 and Golden.
Not because they don't look town. But because they weren't around for early lynches and I don't have as much to go on. I'm going to determine how I feel about them today.
Re: [Day 5] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:28 pm
by speedchuck
Looking to vote for INH, but would not hate talking about other options.
Re: [Day 5] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:08 pm
by ColinIsCool
[VOTE:
INH] aubergine
I feel pretty good about this one. Open to other options, but his vote on the LC lynch now looks like it could have been a late bus for civ credit and if he’s out we can possibly figure out yesterday easier. Add the rest of his behavior in the thread and I feel good.
Re: [Day 5] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:09 pm
by ColinIsCool
Sorry for tunneling you so hard nutella, but your death will not be in vain.
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Re: [Day 5] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:05 pm
by Golden
I can't insanify overhaul posts by phone
Re: [Day 5] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:55 am
by ColinIsCool
Also...
sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:21 pm
I won't lie nutella dying is good for the civs.
It means she wasn't mafia and we can look back at d1 and d2 with fresh eyes.
We have two paths right now.
1. We need to 180 and the top civ reads are really mafia
2. We just start weed whacking out inactives/semi active ppl who have done suspicious stuff.
-I don't have meta to know if this feeling is totally off, but my initial feeling on INH's way of giving townreads by his "Hot tub of trust" seemed like something a wolf might avoid because it might make people suspicious.
LC reads damn weird to me. I'd be utterly chuffed if he was lynched today. In fact, the people apprehensive about lynching him despite agreeing with the case on him are inspiring some apprehension in myself.
-This was d2, 20 min until EoD, where he also voted LC and i think tied the votes up between nutella and LC. Even if LC is the kind of scum that CAN be bussed for credit, it certainly looks like he could've made nutella been lynched here over LC. Good look. Anyone wanna input on INH's meta in terms of bussing?
Scum things:
I warned y’all that Vomp wasn’t a good lynch target unless there was literally no better option.
-He said this after not being around that day at all or pushing anything himself, acting up about who got lynched seems a little fake.
I’ll leave everyone with this hot take that I really truly only 70% believe in: Marmot, Lapluie, Sig, Scotty. At least one of those people is bad.
-4 are a LOT of people, and still after naming so many he hedges if there's even 1 in them.
-His townread of Vompatti for agreeing with "his jib" about randomvoting feels a bit meh. But then again his phrasing of it seemed to acknowlege he knew it was meh, so i don't know how to feel about it.
-Not a specific post, but some of my thoughts on his general play: He's given quite a few townreads, but the only person he's gone against and called scummy this game is LC. I could easily see INH as someone feeling a bit uncomfortable with falsely accusing people when he's scum. So even when trying to give some more suspicions later he acts VERY unsure, so people won't get back at him for it later, like the "70% i even believe this, but MAYBE 1 in these 4 suspects".
Likely not scum together with:
His first game/readrelated post townread niju and used that townread to scumread others who attacked niju. In my experience scum tend to not handle read on teammates in that way
Conclusion: I have a hard time parsing his posts as clearly scummy or towny, but i feel like he has problems calling people scummy, except for LC (who he would know was scum if he is himself). And i've seen this behaviour from scum many times, so overall i'm leaning slightly towards scum even though he saved nutella d2 over LC, but i'm far from confident.
Re: [Day 5] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:43 am
by Fractal
Marmot ISO:
Town things:
-His first vote on Niju with the reasoning he gave seems reasonable based on what i've seen from him, even if i don't agree with it.
I like your response.
Alright Lunalee, where are we voting now?
-He said this when having read Niju's reaction to being voted. I like how he moves around between votes while communicating with people that's thought around the same lines as he has.
I'm happy to vote Dom. I read through his posts, and don't see anything that jumps out and says "Hey I'm a courageous townie!"
[VOTE: DOM] aubergine
Confident tone without showing he knows Dom was town. I like it.
Sig's probably right about inh. Does that we mean we lynch him? Well if he's right, then inh isn't mafia so... NO!
-In response to sig's talk about ramses. His stance on ramses at least seems like a town one to me. Scum would want to lynch ramses probably, and my guess is a lot of them wouldn't be against openly saying it.
Where's Luna's well-reasoned read of you?
I recall a time when you didn't trust her, and were leary of her for trusting you in spite of that.
This post shows he's following things from speed's perspective and asks questions based on it. (he made it in response to speed's post explaining his current Luna read)
Scum things:
It is interesting that you've chosen to apply this strategy. :ponder:
This post receives a suspect score of ★★★½..
-While i disagree with Vomp's post and think it's wrong, I don't think it's scummy. When i rand scum myself i tend to find posts i think is wrong, and call them scummy, so my gut reaction to Marmot's post is a negative one.
Conclusion: Have liked his tone and the attitude in several of his posts early on, disliked only 1. He's disappeared since, but when someone almost COMPLETELY disappears for this long, i usually think it's real life interfering rather than scum lurking. So I see that part as mostly NAI. I lean him slightly town
Note: A big part of his playstyle seems to be centered around finding contradictions in people's posts and calling them out (examples: His suspicions on Colin, Luna and INH d1). I have in the past had trouble reading these kinds of people, thought i'd mention that.
Re: [Day 5] Courage the Cowardly Dog Mafia
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:44 am
by Fractal
im gonna ISO niju and at least part of Colin before i go, then i'll be back for EoD
honestly that joke is a bit derivative, let's not go off on a tangent here since the differentiating between fractions and integers isn't really integral to solving the game
