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Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:12 am
by Rej
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:54 am
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:47 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:12 am WAIT

SABIE IS CALCULON, EVERYONE MOVE
isn't lynching Calculon equivalent to a no lynch at this stage?
the only possibility is that Calculon was shot N2 and this gave us the no kill, this means Calculon wouldn't be of any help.
But tbh our doctor was in good hands tho.
I mean there’s no point FMPOV, it just clears up my POE and we have our scum team on a platter. Plus it’s better for calculon to have their protection tonight if possible (it’s possible they don’t, but I’m gonna hope it was a doc save and not calculon that cause the no NK).
so we should avoid lynching Calculon, and at this time mafia blew out their rolecops and the question is which of the alive towns did they RC

Creature was mad and paranoid about getting lynched D1, he talked about possibly being policylynched. He also countervoted, so is that what Calculon would do? I think Creature ain't Calculon and he is more likely to be mafia and he just got a freepass this game due to DP1/NP1 Bender theory.

Sabie is just mad once she gets a vote on her. Why would Calculon be mad if it would give town another chance? So she either ain't Calculon or Calculon lost their vest.

^ With that Calculon (with vest) is outside of Sabie/Creature.

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:14 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
I read Sabie as being more resigned than mad tbh

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:14 am
by Rej
Creature wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:11 am
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:07 am
Creature wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:06 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:54 am
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:47 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:12 am WAIT

SABIE IS CALCULON, EVERYONE MOVE
isn't lynching Calculon equivalent to a no lynch at this stage?
the only possibility is that Calculon was shot N2 and this gave us the no kill, this means Calculon wouldn't be of any help.
But tbh our doctor was in good hands tho.
I mean there’s no point FMPOV, it just clears up my POE and we have our scum team on a platter. Plus it’s better for calculon to have their protection tonight if possible (it’s possible they don’t, but I’m gonna hope it was a doc save and not calculon that cause the no NK).
If sabie is calculon then it is Rej and speed
What a compliment, so I soloed town the past DPs...LMAO :llama:
It isn't that hard when town is killing each other
dude its common, there is a reason why MyLo exists, it's a reachable stage and scum calculated reaching this stage. not towns fault with early cop loss and possible inactive Monique.

game is balanced and forces us to make a right move now

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:15 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Her post only makes sense if she has a vest cause she’d die overnight

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:16 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:15 am Her post only makes sense if she has a vest cause she’d die overnight
After being TKed, I mean

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:16 am
by Rej
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:14 am I read Sabie as being more resigned than mad tbh
how AI is that? scum could also be resigned when the scumpartner for example powerwolfed
also the only invests alive are a tracker and a mason recruiter, nothing to fear for mafia if the mason recruiter didn't get far this game

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 2]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:17 am
by sabie12
Rej wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:40 pm @Tedexter

viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1807

here you can see both me and scum novas, novas bsused me D2
okay correction: I was bussed D1 in the game before I think. I got no clue, but I know I was bussed twice here on TS.
A wolf Rej gave his everything to turn a mafialynch into a townlynch D1. I made it to D2 then got bussed while I had the chance to turn around another wagon. Novas in the end won for mafia and hence I won too. :mafia:
This one here

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:18 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:16 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:14 am I read Sabie as being more resigned than mad tbh
how AI is that? scum could also be resigned when the scumpartner for example powerwolfed
also the only invests alive are a tracker and a mason recruiter, nothing to fear for mafia if the mason recruiter didn't get far this game
It’s the specific way she was resigned to being TKed and town having to figure it out without her

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:20 am
by Rej
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:15 am Her post only makes sense if she has a vest cause she’d die overnight
Its better for town's PoE tho if we trick MyLo with Calculon :shrug: I would be less emotionaly if I were a Calculon vest about to be lynched.
The only way I would become emotional is when I would have crucial info that might be lost upon lynch/NK and this would give town hard times.
So with Sabie being resigned she more likely is to have no information for towns PoE and she doesn't care about being lynched. Also brb gonna check something.
We are close to a tie again...

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 2]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:20 am
by Rej
sabie12 wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:17 am
Rej wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:40 pm @Tedexter

viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1807

here you can see both me and scum novas, novas bsused me D2
okay correction: I was bussed D1 in the game before I think. I got no clue, but I know I was bussed twice here on TS.
A wolf Rej gave his everything to turn a mafialynch into a townlynch D1. I made it to D2 then got bussed while I had the chance to turn around another wagon. Novas in the end won for mafia and hence I won too. :mafia:
This one here
:confused2: so what? I played like a open book girl

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:21 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:20 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:15 am Her post only makes sense if she has a vest cause she’d die overnight
Its better for town's PoE tho if we trick MyLo with Calculon :shrug: I would be less emotionaly if I were a Calculon vest about to be lynched.
The only way I would become emotional is when I would have crucial info that might be lost upon lynch/NK and this would give town hard times.
So with Sabie being resigned she more likely is to have no information for towns PoE and she doesn't care about being lynched. Also brb gonna check something.
We are close to a tie again...
I think it’s a mistake, but ok

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:23 am
by Rej
FART cant use the vote silence in MyLo/LyLo right?

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:23 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
They can in MYLO not in LYLO IIRC

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:24 am
by Rej
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:21 am
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:20 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:15 am Her post only makes sense if she has a vest cause she’d die overnight
Its better for town's PoE tho if we trick MyLo with Calculon :shrug: I would be less emotionaly if I were a Calculon vest about to be lynched.
The only way I would become emotional is when I would have crucial info that might be lost upon lynch/NK and this would give town hard times.
So with Sabie being resigned she more likely is to have no information for towns PoE and she doesn't care about being lynched. Also brb gonna check something.
We are close to a tie again...
I think it’s a mistake, but ok
what do you mean?

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:24 am
by Rej
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:23 am They can in MYLO not in LYLO IIRC
:confused:

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:26 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
I think it’s better to leave calculon alone.

I’m willing to bet the game on it.

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:29 am
by Rej
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:26 am I think it’s better to leave calculon alone.

I’m willing to bet the game on it.
:keys:

then let's bring it further

new theory:
The Sabievoters (me and Sprityo) are town based on my, spirityo's and others PoE.
And I rather trust that one right now.

This would mean that one of the Creature voters atleast is scum and it is either a placeholder vote or a powerwolf vote.

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:30 am
by Rej
What you think about that theory Nanook and what would be your theory to compliment that one

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:35 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:29 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:26 am I think it’s better to leave calculon alone.

I’m willing to bet the game on it.
:keys:

then let's bring it further

new theory:
The Sabievoters (me and Sprityo) are town based on my, spirityo's and others PoE.
And I rather trust that one right now.

This would mean that one of the Creature voters atleast is scum and it is either a placeholder vote or a powerwolf vote.
I agree that you and sprityo are town.

I’m pretty much in a speedchuck/Enrique and creature world

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:36 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
I think I’ve been saying you and sprityo are town for awhile lol

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:40 am
by Rej
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:35 am
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:29 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:26 am I think it’s better to leave calculon alone.

I’m willing to bet the game on it.
:keys:

then let's bring it further

new theory:
The Sabievoters (me and Sprityo) are town based on my, spirityo's and others PoE.
And I rather trust that one right now.

This would mean that one of the Creature voters atleast is scum and it is either a placeholder vote or a powerwolf vote.
I agree that you and sprityo are town.

I’m pretty much in a speedchuck/Enrique and creature world
aye got it, so we have odds that Creature/Sabie are equally primary scum while both including Speedchuck and from my own PoV you are seondary scum.

Since I don't think you are misleading right now and I feel your townreads were genuine, so I think you are more town than Speedchuck.

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:40 am
by Rej
Only ISO can solve it now.

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:42 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
I don’t think it’s equal odds that creature and sabie are scum, lol, but ok

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:45 am
by Rej
both Sabie and Creature placed a single vote on me, Sabie took it back, I see it as scumslip right now
like a desperate try to build up on a tie or increase the mislynch density EoD

and believe me I am good in smelling a setup mislynch

so if a single town votes me, then mafia can CFD me.

That's why we really have to work around Sabie/Creature now, one atleast is scum for 10000000000000%

[mention]sabie12[/mention]
[mention]Creature[/mention]

in a world where the theories I made are correct, who out of both of you is more likely to be scum?
please give a reason on each other or compliment theories with your own ideas please

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:45 am
by Rej
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:42 am I don’t think it’s equal odds that creature and sabie are scum, lol, but ok
I meant atleast one of them is scum, by equal odds

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:47 am
by Creature
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:45 am so if a single town votes me, then mafia can CFD me.
The day only ends in 8 hours, there's no way to lynch earlier

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:48 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:45 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:42 am I don’t think it’s equal odds that creature and sabie are scum, lol, but ok
I meant atleast one of them is scum, by equal odds
I understand what you’re saying I just disagree with it

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:48 am
by Creature
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:45 am in a world where the theories I made are correct, who out of both of you is more likely to be scum?
That's a garbage question

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:48 am
by Rej
Creature wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:47 am
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:45 am so if a single town votes me, then mafia can CFD me.
The day only ends in 8 hours, there's no way to lynch earlier
so you say mafia wont be there to CFD a towny? :charlieblackmon:

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:49 am
by Rej
Creature wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:48 am
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:45 am in a world where the theories I made are correct, who out of both of you is more likely to be scum?
That's a garbage question
no question is a garbage question, only answers can be garbage at this state

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:50 am
by Creature
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:48 am
Creature wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:47 am
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:45 am so if a single town votes me, then mafia can CFD me.
The day only ends in 8 hours, there's no way to lynch earlier
so you say mafia wont be there to CFD a towny? :charlieblackmon:
I mean you're wrong on your "mafia is trying to cfd" thing

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:50 am
by Creature
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:49 am
Creature wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:48 am
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:45 am in a world where the theories I made are correct, who out of both of you is more likely to be scum?
That's a garbage question
no question is a garbage question, only answers can be garbage at this state
Why are you scum?

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:51 am
by Rej
Creature wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:50 am
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:48 am
Creature wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:47 am
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:45 am so if a single town votes me, then mafia can CFD me.
The day only ends in 8 hours, there's no way to lynch earlier
so you say mafia wont be there to CFD a towny? :charlieblackmon:
I mean you're wrong on your "mafia is trying to cfd" thing
why? mafia can passively rolehunt and generate a mislynch + win with the night :ponder:

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:52 am
by Rej
Creature wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:50 am
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:49 am
Creature wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:48 am
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:45 am in a world where the theories I made are correct, who out of both of you is more likely to be scum?
That's a garbage question
no question is a garbage question, only answers can be garbage at this state
Why are you scum?
I am scum because I didn't vote off mafia, but I am town because I am dumb and I don't act dumb.
I combine my dumbness with investigative behaviour.

Why are you scum/town?

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:58 am
by Creature
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:51 am
Creature wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:50 am
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:48 am
Creature wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:47 am
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:45 am so if a single town votes me, then mafia can CFD me.
The day only ends in 8 hours, there's no way to lynch earlier
so you say mafia wont be there to CFD a towny? :charlieblackmon:
I mean you're wrong on your "mafia is trying to cfd" thing
why? mafia can passively rolehunt and generate a mislynch + win with the night :ponder:
I think you got the meaning of CFD wrong

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:59 am
by Creature
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:52 am
Creature wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:50 am
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:49 am
Creature wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:48 am
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:45 am in a world where the theories I made are correct, who out of both of you is more likely to be scum?
That's a garbage question
no question is a garbage question, only answers can be garbage at this state
Why are you scum?
Why are you scum/town?
Role PM

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:02 am
by Rej
Creature wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:58 am
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:51 am
Creature wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:50 am
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:48 am
Creature wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:47 am
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:45 am so if a single town votes me, then mafia can CFD me.
The day only ends in 8 hours, there's no way to lynch earlier
so you say mafia wont be there to CFD a towny? :charlieblackmon:
I mean you're wrong on your "mafia is trying to cfd" thing
why? mafia can passively rolehunt and generate a mislynch + win with the night :ponder:
I think you got the meaning of CFD wrong
why? it is a planned massvoting to eliminate a player.
at this stage a double switch one a placeholder-voted town can be considered like a CFD.

lets say you are mafia and you really want a town to vote me, you could easily move your vote and act off, so in that scenario a town would place a vote on me and all mafia needs to do is to switch votes on me EoD

at night mafia just has to shoot an invest or the director (avoid shooting Calculon)

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:03 am
by Rej
Creature wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:59 am
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:52 am
Creature wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:50 am
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:49 am
Creature wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:48 am
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:45 am in a world where the theories I made are correct, who out of both of you is more likely to be scum?
That's a garbage question
no question is a garbage question, only answers can be garbage at this state
Why are you scum?
Why are you scum/town?
Role PM
I will help you :shrug:
[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:04 am
by Rej
@[mention]sabie12[/mention]
Creature has 3 votes on him your thoughts?

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:05 am
by sabie12
I'm just trying to get some discussion going. I think I'd feel better knowing that I at least put forth an attempt to win rather than just being like whatever scum can just win the game.
I'm at work so hard to post at the moment

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:42 am
by speedchuck
Well I missed a lot.

Role-wise, is it known what caused the missed kill on N2? I see people Calculon theorizing, and I'm wondering why everyone knows his vest is still here.

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:04 pm
by Rej
speedchuck wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:42 am Well I missed a lot.

Role-wise, is it known what caused the missed kill on N2? I see people Calculon theorizing, and I'm wondering why everyone knows his vest is still here.
Yes that's what I tried to theorize and see peole's opinion on this topic.
So you think someone has TMI?

And to the question: No we don't know, maybe Epis ISO can tell us more since he was doctor...

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:08 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Unless calculon gets told they were targeted then there’s nobody with TMI about it, yeah? I assume scum aren’t told why their kill failed

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:13 pm
by Rej
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:08 pm Unless calculon gets told they were targeted then there’s nobody with TMI about it, yeah? I assume scum aren’t told why their kill failed
but scum knows who they did target N2
that is a valuable information for them, if that player is still alive by now then there is a higher chance that that player is Calculon

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:18 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Rej wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:13 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:08 pm Unless calculon gets told they were targeted then there’s nobody with TMI about it, yeah? I assume scum aren’t told why their kill failed
but scum knows who they did target N2
that is a valuable information for them, if that player is still alive by now then there is a higher chance that that player is Calculon
Yeh fair point

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:31 pm
by speedchuck
I doubt we can solve the game around that, I was just wondering why everyone seemed to be so sure Calculon had his vest.

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:15 pm
by sprityo
I’ll let nanook take the lead then on this

I’m going to bed now

[VOTE: creature] aubergine

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:38 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
sprityo wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:15 pm I’ll let nanook take the lead then on this

I’m going to bed now

[VOTE: creature] aubergine
<3

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:50 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Oh sprityo is locked town imo

Re: All My Circuits the Mafia Game [Day 6]

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:58 pm
by Rej
I atleast have a good feeling that town is uniting to vote, so no votemanipulation effects can trigger, but seeing this, mafia didn't rly try to do a counterwagon?