The Syndicate

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:20 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:16 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:12 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:11 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:10 pmHey TSP!
Help me solve this real quick
Sure, what do you want from me, especially in case I die?
summarize your body of work. What do think scum have been up to today?

I like where your head is at. I think... the reasons for my being town here are evident: I've been all over the place, Sloonei openly pocketed me when I get beyond frustrated at d2 suspicion and was flailing because I was having trouble working with others here, etc.

I think the Sloonei interactions are tough. I liked the conclusions I came from them last night, but it's really difficult to assess because Sloonei was essentially a dead man walking from d1, so it's possible his wolf mates worked around him in strange ways.

It's difficult to say regarding what scum have been up to. If Nanook is town, I'd say one is on me and the other is on Nanook, and I'd see almost no universe where at least one of Mac and 112 isn't scum, because it's convenient as fuck to tunnel me here. If Nanook is scum, perhaps it's just him and someone trying to gain more thread pull.

I have a hard time believing scum are giving up completely, even if things are very... up in the air.

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:23 pm**

[mention]Funnygurl555[/mention] do you think I’m town?

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:24 pm**

If the answer is yes vote for scirrus plz and thx

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:24 pm**

Good reasons for thinking it’s Scirrus: no Sloonei interaction in the first page of the ISO while apparently having their vote on Sloonei which they change also while not interacting with Sloonei

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:25 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:24 pm Good reasons for thinking it’s Scirrus: no Sloonei interaction in the first page of the ISO while apparently having their vote on Sloonei which they change also while not interacting with Sloonei

Yeah, the interactions are suspect... and Scirrus uses some vague language on d3 about Sloonei in his read, let me pull that up.

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:26 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:19 pm MP can you direct me to your work on Scirrus? I’m on my phone and have limited searching capabilities.

Let me dig some stuff up of interest, but it's going to be super scattered, sorry.

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]

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M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:49 pm
Scirrus wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:44 pm
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M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:03 pm D2 MP7 reads

Moderate town
Epignosis
Funnygurl
Nanook
juliets / sprityo

Slight town
Long Con

Not sure -- GTH town lean
MacDougall
Sloonei
DrWilgy

Not sure -- GTH scum lean
Soneji
Scirrus
TSP / nova

Slight scum
112

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3p Dizzy
Dyslexicon
I'm not sure I have any strong town reads after all, and even though I couldn't possibly disagree with some of Epi's conclusions more, I think he's just being boneheaded and means the best. I agree with what Jack posted about Funnygurl, also I have a soul read there. Nanook seems fine to me. juliets/sprityo is a bit of an enigma but I was feeling pretty good about juliets while I was in here.

I really can't make heads or tails of LC, but I really mulled over his interactions with me and the narrow focus and I don't quite understand the agenda if he's scum after all of this. LC is admittedly a difficult player for me to read and this is mostly a centric read, so other input would be much appreciated. If Wilgy is scum though I'd want to revisit this because my gut says they could be teamed.

Obviously I need to ISO the not sure folks with higher priority and really start to form some reads on them. Mac seem distracted, Sloonei I still don't really feel a town spark from enough yet to not want to kill him but I don't really see the scum angles yet either. I keep going back and forth on Wilgy, but I feel like from a gamestate perspective that our wagons on d1 were probably v/v if I had to guess right now, especially with how quickly the Wilgy wagon formed after I declared my intention for it.

Shrug on Soneji. Scirrus is slowly dropping for me, I don't feel any sense of real solving increasingly over time, and that concerns me greatly. TSP is behaving like a weirdo, and my gut already didn't like nova that much.

I'm starting to think 112 is full of crap, so that's a thing.
No strong town reads at all? Considering you mentioned how important building a town core is, you're keeping your options pretty open
Go ahead and shade me, I think my thoughts on the current state of this game are rather clear. Commit to a scum read of me or get off the pot.

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M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:41 pm
Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:39 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:52 pm A civilian Sloonei would love "solid reads at this point." It gives him a chance to figure things out later.

Sloonei is not a civilian. Lynch him now.
Tell me a little bit about Sloonei

Does he have trouble keeping a town mindset as scum?

I agree that not wanting solid reads is not really a pro-town thing to say

But I feel like experienced scum would try to avoid saying things like that, because they would look bad. And he strikes me as an experienced player
It's entirely possible Epi was right to want to burn this, especially with Sloonei's flip.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:42 pm
Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:24 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:20 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:52 pm A civilian Sloonei would love "solid reads at this point." It gives him a chance to figure things out later.

Sloonei is not a civilian. Lynch him now.
It was Day 0 at that point. I was responding to a couple of people who expressed a lack of conviction at that point. I do not expect anyone to have things figured out at this stage, and I would not want them to pretend to either.
No sir.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:16 pm I would certainly hope that no one has any solid reads at this point. It'd be a mistake to think so. But it should be possible to have impressions of things. That's more what I'm asking for at this stage.
"I do not expect" is not the same thing as "I would certainly hope."
I would certainly hope that no one thinks they have developed any solid reads at that stage in the game.
Is that necessarily a bad thing? Give me ur thots
This is such softball whatever.

Alright, I definitely want 112 or Scirrus dead here I think.

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:26 pm**

Ah crap, the formatting, sorry all.

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:27 pm**

Scirrus wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:41 pm Nanook and FG are town. I still want to believe M+ is town.

Sloonei is setting off alarm bells in my head now

If Epi was killed i'm inclined to think at least one of his scum reads was on the nose. And it's not me.

Other observations will be given at a later time. I've gotta get up early to train a new guy for work. Much paperwork, such wow

This is weird considering their interactions before this were scarce, and the ones that did exist were... softbally and non-committal.

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:28 pm**

Actually TSP, I highly recommend looking at Scirrus's d3 part of his ISO super quick. He also throws at a ton of town reads, it smells like TMI.

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:28 pm**

I saw that post while scanning the thread and that’s why I changed my vote, but it’s almost like too quiet - they make no attempts to cover.
@linki I’ll take a look

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:29 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:28 pm I saw that post while scanning the thread and that’s why I changed my vote, but it’s almost like too quiet - they make no attempts to cover.
@linki I’ll take a look

Yeah, I really wish I could better figure out what a team would do with Sloonei here. Do they try to keep him alive or bus him?

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:31 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:09 pm FG, what's your exact reads list, has it changed at all since you last spoke about one?

rn long con's town, tsp's like... ok. nanook's town. mac's town. you're like.. town ----> null

scirrus is like null for me rn. i tunneled him hard and hated his responses but at the same time ...... eh

scum- 112 . soneji's null. y'all would guess he's town from last eod but it dont prove much 'cause sloonei didn't try to live

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:33 pm**

here's the thing: i can't in good faith vote for scirrus because i was yelling about him for a DAMN LONG TIME and y'all seriously consider offing him 'til now? that's fishy. nah man not this phase. not to mention if he flips town what does that give us?

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:33 pm**

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:31 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:09 pm FG, what's your exact reads list, has it changed at all since you last spoke about one?
rn long con's town, tsp's like... ok. nanook's town. mac's town. you're like.. town ----> null

scirrus is like null for me rn. i tunneled him hard and hated his responses but at the same time ...... eh

scum- 112 . soneji's null. y'all would guess he's town from last eod but it dont prove much 'cause sloonei didn't try to live

Cool, thanks.

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:33 pm**

that read list is aggressively null

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:33 pm**

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:33 pm here's the thing: i can't in good faith vote for scirrus because i was yelling about him for a DAMN LONG TIME and y'all seriously consider offing him 'til now? that's fishy. nah man not this phase. not to mention if he flips town what does that give us?

if I flip town what does that give you?

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:34 pm**

112 is a weird consensus scum lean that we’re not acting on. Did they get locked up?

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:34 pm**

Man I really want to burn that part of the post.

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:34 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:33 pm that read list is aggressively null

wait are you trying to solve me

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:35 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:34 pm 112 is a weird consensus scum lean that we’re not acting on. Did they get locked up?

I tried to get people on that earlier today, but it didn't really go anywhere.

I'm actually starting to wonder if it's Funnygirl and Scirrus. Earlier I was thinking 112 and Scirrus maybe.

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:35 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:33 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:33 pm here's the thing: i can't in good faith vote for scirrus because i was yelling about him for a DAMN LONG TIME and y'all seriously consider offing him 'til now? that's fishy. nah man not this phase. not to mention if he flips town what does that give us?
if I flip town what does that give you?

ugh maaaan gdi gdi gdi maaaaaaan ok fine well ugh oh no

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:36 pm**

I WILL VOTE FOR 112

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:36 pm**

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:34 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:33 pm that read list is aggressively null
wait are you trying to solve me

I think there’s some mechanical reason I should think you’re town but I’m not on it

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:36 pm**

FG, your tone is immaculate if you're a wolf, so props there.

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:36 pm**

If we all vote for 112, we get there.

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:36 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:36 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:34 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:33 pm that read list is aggressively null
wait are you trying to solve me
I think there’s some mechanical reason I should think you’re town but I’m not on it

i moved my vote from wigly to sloonei d1 and caused a no lynch when wilgy could've died

LOCK CLEAR ima dumbass but im town

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:37 pm**

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:36 pm I WILL VOTE FOR 112

I wouldn't argue with that necessarily. I think Nanook resisted that though, so... we'd have to be careful.

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:37 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:36 pm If we all vote for 112, we get there.

Alright let's try it.

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:37 pm**

why is nanook resisting it

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:38 pm**

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] note the switching votes and stuff

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:38 pm**

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:36 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:36 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:34 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:33 pm that read list is aggressively null
wait are you trying to solve me
I think there’s some mechanical reason I should think you’re town but I’m not on it
i moved my vote from wigly to sloonei d1 and caused a no lynch when wilgy could've died

LOCK CLEAR ima dumbass but im town

dumbass is not a trait restricted to town. Though this is pretty close

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:38 pm**

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:36 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:36 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:34 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:33 pm that read list is aggressively null
wait are you trying to solve me
I think there’s some mechanical reason I should think you’re town but I’m not on it
i moved my vote from wigly to sloonei d1 and caused a no lynch when wilgy could've died

LOCK CLEAR ima dumbass but im town

This is probably right. Not a dumbass though. No bad labels.

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:38 pm**

I’m currently on 112 in spirit

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:39 pm**

MP had the same response to me but was much nicer

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:39 pm**

What why are we doing 112

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:39 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:39 pm MP had the same response to me but was much nicer

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:39 pm**

do u think 112 is town

also why are they here and not talking AGAIN

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:40 pm**

Tony tell me who to vote

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:40 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:39 pm What why are we doing 112

MP was gonna get chopped. 112>MP

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:40 pm**

Yeah, let's not chop me.

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:40 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:40 pm Tony tell me who to vote

I would say Scirrus but FG won’t vote for Wcirrus for god knows what terrible reason

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:40 pm**

Fair enough

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:41 pm**

ok FINE i'll vote scirrus

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:41 pm**

I'm fine with 112 or Scirrus at the end of the day.

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:41 pm**

Why was scirrus not the answer tho?

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:41 pm**

everybody switch over to scirrus we’re trying this again

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:41 pm**

G-Man’s trying to write the write up and has to be hating this

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:42 pm**

[VOTE: SCIRRUS] aubergine

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:42 pm**

You guys are killing me

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:42 pm**

Literally half ignoring a conversation to do this, it better be worth it

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