The Syndicate

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:44 pm @Sloonei -

i have a fairly major concern with you regarding your progression on c4 yesterday,. i'm definitely coming into this daystart feeling a little more combative than i want to be, so i want to word this diplomatically

but i felt that your read on c4 fluctuated with the consensus of the thread in a way that was dissonant from the more strong-headed, self-assured town!sloonei that i've usually seen

to be more specific, you had a strong and confident townread on c4 throughout the vast majority of d1 - even as the pressure mounted against c4, you confidently reiterated that he was town

it was only until the last ~12 hours or so of d1 that you suddenly dropped your townread on c4 altogether and said that he very well might be scum

your reasoning more or less boiled down to: "c4 was not making sense when i dialogued with him last night, so i'm suspicious about him now"

that reasoning very much rubbed me the wrong way, because my townread on c4 was never particularly based around him making sense. and i didn't feel that the stuff he was saying in your back of forth made any less sense than the stuff that he had been posting for the majority of the game. i very much struggle to see your confident townread on c4 suddenly evaporating in the way it did because c4 "didn't make sense", when he was outright not making sense from the moment that the game started

it gave me the impression that you capitulated your read on c4 to match the thread consensus - both as a deliberate attempt to avoid looking like you had TMI, and as an an excuse to avoid having to pull people off of his wagon

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:50 pm Spf is definitely probably not vault city

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:49 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:33 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:31 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:29 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:28 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:27 pm [VOTE: urist] aubergine

That’s a weird way to spell rej

rej can be scum too. i'm just tired of having my read on urist be ignored, especially after he hardtunneled on a town and one of his other hardtunnels (me) was wrong too. i find it difficult to believe that a presumably strong player was 0/2 on d1 than i do to believe that he was just pushing in bad faith like i suspected

Being 0/2 on D1 is actually pretty common for strong players

perhaps. i misread esooa on d1 too so i'm not claiming to be a paragon of accurate d1 reads

i'm just a bit irked by d1 in general

Why? It seemed fine enough to me

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:53 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:44 pm @Sloonei -

i have a fairly major concern with you regarding your progression on c4 yesterday,. i'm definitely coming into this daystart feeling a little more combative than i want to be, so i want to word this diplomatically

but i felt that your read on c4 fluctuated with the consensus of the thread in a way that was dissonant from the more strong-headed, self-assured town!sloonei that i've usually seen

to be more specific, you had a strong and confident townread on c4 throughout the vast majority of d1 - even as the pressure mounted against c4, you confidently reiterated that he was town

it was only until the last ~12 hours or so of d1 that you suddenly dropped your townread on c4 altogether and said that he very well might be scum

your reasoning more or less boiled down to: "c4 was not making sense when i dialogued with him last night, so i'm suspicious about him now"

that reasoning very much rubbed me the wrong way, because my townread on c4 was never particularly based around him making sense. and i didn't feel that the stuff he was saying in your back of forth made any less sense than the stuff that he had been posting for the majority of the game. i very much struggle to see your confident townread on c4 suddenly evaporating in the way it did because c4 "didn't make sense", when he was outright not making sense from the moment that the game started

it gave me the impression that you capitulated your read on c4 to match the thread consensus - both as a deliberate attempt to avoid looking like you had TMI, and as an an excuse to avoid having to pull people off of his wagon

He was acting like a player that wanted to die. I thought he was town, but the deathwish did not make sense.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:01 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:46 pm what happened to your read on foresight?

He reads like he wants to die, and his volatility doesn't make sense to me. I have been reading him as Frustrated Town In A New Environment, and a big part of me still sees it that way, but there is also a part of me that thinks he's mafia who does not believe he is capable of overcoming the early pressure he has faced, and so he has tried to draw as much attention to himself to keep us from identifying any of his partners too easily. I didn't think any of the things he said to/about Alison made sense last night, for instance.

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:55 pm Grogu ghost voted on to BK and did absolutely nothing D1.

Do I have to say anything else?

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:00 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:55 pm Grogu ghost voted on to BK and did absolutely nothing D1.

Do I have to say anything else?

Grogu is green i.e. town pr

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:57 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:53 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:44 pm @Sloonei -

i have a fairly major concern with you regarding your progression on c4 yesterday,. i'm definitely coming into this daystart feeling a little more combative than i want to be, so i want to word this diplomatically

but i felt that your read on c4 fluctuated with the consensus of the thread in a way that was dissonant from the more strong-headed, self-assured town!sloonei that i've usually seen

to be more specific, you had a strong and confident townread on c4 throughout the vast majority of d1 - even as the pressure mounted against c4, you confidently reiterated that he was town

it was only until the last ~12 hours or so of d1 that you suddenly dropped your townread on c4 altogether and said that he very well might be scum

your reasoning more or less boiled down to: "c4 was not making sense when i dialogued with him last night, so i'm suspicious about him now"

that reasoning very much rubbed me the wrong way, because my townread on c4 was never particularly based around him making sense. and i didn't feel that the stuff he was saying in your back of forth made any less sense than the stuff that he had been posting for the majority of the game. i very much struggle to see your confident townread on c4 suddenly evaporating in the way it did because c4 "didn't make sense", when he was outright not making sense from the moment that the game started

it gave me the impression that you capitulated your read on c4 to match the thread consensus - both as a deliberate attempt to avoid looking like you had TMI, and as an an excuse to avoid having to pull people off of his wagon

He was acting like a player that wanted to die. I thought he was town, but the deathwish did not make sense.

i don't feel that your explanation here is completely congruent with the post you said yesterday shortly before the deadline, though:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:01 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:46 pm what happened to your read on foresight?

He reads like he wants to die, and his volatility doesn't make sense to me. I have been reading him as Frustrated Town In A New Environment, and a big part of me still sees it that way, but there is also a part of me that thinks he's mafia who does not believe he is capable of overcoming the early pressure he has faced, and so he has tried to draw as much attention to himself to keep us from identifying any of his partners too easily. I didn't think any of the things he said to/about Alison made sense last night, for instance.

to me, this post feels like you're trying to talk yourself into a c4!scum world - not that you thought that c4 was just town who wanted to die

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:59 pm so far I am 0/1 on who I thought one of my faction members were

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:04 pm

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:59 pm so far I am 0/1 on who I thought one of my faction members were

We get it, you're councilman westin, you can stop claiming now

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:03 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:57 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:53 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:44 pm @Sloonei -

i have a fairly major concern with you regarding your progression on c4 yesterday,. i'm definitely coming into this daystart feeling a little more combative than i want to be, so i want to word this diplomatically

but i felt that your read on c4 fluctuated with the consensus of the thread in a way that was dissonant from the more strong-headed, self-assured town!sloonei that i've usually seen

to be more specific, you had a strong and confident townread on c4 throughout the vast majority of d1 - even as the pressure mounted against c4, you confidently reiterated that he was town

it was only until the last ~12 hours or so of d1 that you suddenly dropped your townread on c4 altogether and said that he very well might be scum

your reasoning more or less boiled down to: "c4 was not making sense when i dialogued with him last night, so i'm suspicious about him now"

that reasoning very much rubbed me the wrong way, because my townread on c4 was never particularly based around him making sense. and i didn't feel that the stuff he was saying in your back of forth made any less sense than the stuff that he had been posting for the majority of the game. i very much struggle to see your confident townread on c4 suddenly evaporating in the way it did because c4 "didn't make sense", when he was outright not making sense from the moment that the game started

it gave me the impression that you capitulated your read on c4 to match the thread consensus - both as a deliberate attempt to avoid looking like you had TMI, and as an an excuse to avoid having to pull people off of his wagon

He was acting like a player that wanted to die. I thought he was town, but the deathwish did not make sense.

i don't feel that your explanation here is completely congruent with the post you said yesterday shortly before the deadline, though:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:01 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:46 pm what happened to your read on foresight?

He reads like he wants to die, and his volatility doesn't make sense to me. I have been reading him as Frustrated Town In A New Environment, and a big part of me still sees it that way, but there is also a part of me that thinks he's mafia who does not believe he is capable of overcoming the early pressure he has faced, and so he has tried to draw as much attention to himself to keep us from identifying any of his partners too easily. I didn't think any of the things he said to/about Alison made sense last night, for instance.

to me, this post feels like you're trying to talk yourself into a c4!scum world - not that you thought that c4 was just town who wanted to die

Even the part where the first thing I said was, “He reads like he wants to die”?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:04 pm Does spf kill esooa?

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:32 pm going to re-evaluate the game later with the knowledge that c4 is town
the fact that chopchop was tied with c4 and bo (both town) for like 24h indicates that he's probably not enclave

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:44 pm @Sloonei -

i have a fairly major concern with you regarding your progression on c4 yesterday,. i'm definitely coming into this daystart feeling a little more combative than i want to be, so i want to word this diplomatically

but i felt that your read on c4 fluctuated with the consensus of the thread in a way that was dissonant from the more strong-headed, self-assured town!sloonei that i've usually seen

to be more specific, you had a strong and confident townread on c4 throughout the vast majority of d1 - even as the pressure mounted against c4, you confidently reiterated that he was town

it was only until the last ~12 hours or so of d1 that you suddenly dropped your townread on c4 altogether and said that he very well might be scum

your reasoning more or less boiled down to: "c4 was not making sense when i dialogued with him last night, so i'm suspicious about him now"

that reasoning very much rubbed me the wrong way, because my townread on c4 was never particularly based around him making sense. and i didn't feel that the stuff he was saying in your back of forth made any less sense than the stuff that he had been posting for the majority of the game. i very much struggle to see your confident townread on c4 suddenly evaporating in the way it did because c4 "didn't make sense", when he was outright not making sense from the moment that the game started

it gave me the impression that you capitulated your read on c4 to match the thread consensus - both as a deliberate attempt to avoid looking like you had TMI, and as an an excuse to avoid having to pull people off of his wagon

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:11 pm would a kindly stranger like to summarize the past 2000 posts for me

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:11 pm @staypositivefriend I never said anything about c4 being “town that wanted to die.” My theory was that he was a wolf in damage control trying to draw as much attention to himself as he could to keep us from hunting his teammates. The “deathwish” theory was entirely predicated on him being mafia.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:53 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:44 pm @Sloonei -

i have a fairly major concern with you regarding your progression on c4 yesterday,. i'm definitely coming into this daystart feeling a little more combative than i want to be, so i want to word this diplomatically

but i felt that your read on c4 fluctuated with the consensus of the thread in a way that was dissonant from the more strong-headed, self-assured town!sloonei that i've usually seen

to be more specific, you had a strong and confident townread on c4 throughout the vast majority of d1 - even as the pressure mounted against c4, you confidently reiterated that he was town

it was only until the last ~12 hours or so of d1 that you suddenly dropped your townread on c4 altogether and said that he very well might be scum

your reasoning more or less boiled down to: "c4 was not making sense when i dialogued with him last night, so i'm suspicious about him now"

that reasoning very much rubbed me the wrong way, because my townread on c4 was never particularly based around him making sense. and i didn't feel that the stuff he was saying in your back of forth made any less sense than the stuff that he had been posting for the majority of the game. i very much struggle to see your confident townread on c4 suddenly evaporating in the way it did because c4 "didn't make sense", when he was outright not making sense from the moment that the game started

it gave me the impression that you capitulated your read on c4 to match the thread consensus - both as a deliberate attempt to avoid looking like you had TMI, and as an an excuse to avoid having to pull people off of his wagon

He was acting like a player that wanted to die. I thought he was town, but the deathwish did not make sense.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:12 pm @Jackofhearts2005 what’s my alignment?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:54 pm Also, may I note that I'm obviously not on Esooa's team after that Day 1 exchange?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:12 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:11 pm would a kindly stranger like to summarize the past 2000 posts for me

None of it made sense anyway.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:17 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:54 pm Also, may I note that I'm obviously not on Esooa's team after that Day 1 exchange?

Link me, baby.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:11 pm @staypositivefriend I never said anything about c4 being “town that wanted to die.” My theory was that he was a wolf in damage control trying to draw as much attention to himself as he could to keep us from hunting his teammates. The “deathwish” theory was entirely predicated on him being mafia.

that was not a theory that i took from your posts about c4 at all, but perhaps i misread. i'll take a deeper dive into your progression on him before i continue to badger you about it

do you understand where my concern is coming from?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:12 pm @Jackofhearts2005 what’s my alignment?

Gth? Wolf.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:12 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:11 pm would a kindly stranger like to summarize the past 2000 posts for me

None of it made sense anyway.

why is that

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:12 pm @Jackofhearts2005 what’s my alignment?

Gth? Wolf.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:24 pm [VOTE: spf] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:59 pm I was town reading Jack at the end because of what TSP said: scum reading me is a way to keep me alive to Day 2.

Jack was pulling out quotes from me that are very very normal for me, maybe even town-indicative, and saying things like “there’s no way town Sloon says this.” Jack does not usually misread me like that. He rarely tries to read me confidently at all on Day 1. It was odd to see him being so confident and so wrong about me right off the bat.

I was also conscious of his champs confession to me: when he’s scum he’ encourage pressure on me as a way to get me to self-destruct. Those things combined to male me suspect him at first, but then I came to think he was maybe just trying to lengthen my life expectancy.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:29 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:24 pm [VOTE: spf] aubergine

you would almost certainly be townreading me right now if you were town

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:23 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:12 pm @Jackofhearts2005 what’s my alignment?

Gth? Wolf.

I don’t believe you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:30 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:29 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:24 pm [VOTE: spf] aubergine

you would almost certainly be townreading me right now if you were town

So would you.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:30 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:29 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:24 pm [VOTE: spf] aubergine

you would almost certainly be townreading me right now if you were town

So would you.

i have townread you for the vast majority of the game. your inability to find my alignment even as i become more clearly threadspewed town and the way that you're responding to my concerns about c4 makes me feel generally uneasy

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:29 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:33 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:30 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:29 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:24 pm [VOTE: spf] aubergine

you would almost certainly be townreading me right now if you were town

So would you.

i have townread you for the vast majority of the game. your inability to find my alignment even as i become more clearly threadspewed town and the way that you're responding to my concerns about c4 makes me feel generally uneasy

Your “concerns about c4” stem from things I never said.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:37 pm and more importantly, you dont townread me when i should be incredibly clearly threadspewed as town. i don't feel that i'm speaking from a place of ego when i say that - it just seems obvious at this point

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:38 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:37 pm and more importantly, you dont townread me when i should be incredibly clearly threadspewed as town. i don't feel that i'm speaking from a place of ego when i say that - it just seems obvious at this point

How so?