The Syndicate

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:42 pm**

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:42 pmFinal post.

No don't be that way, give us spew

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:44 pm**

Dunno what we do now. Herm might be cleared but that depends on what ability Wiml flips.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:47 pm**

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:44 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:42 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:40 pm I still have really no opinion on LoMo from what I've seen. They're probably the player I look at next?
Give us some hard takes, cuz you seem kinda waffley
Duskfall/Tim/Ydrasse/Wurzel/Creature/You town.
sig/LC very weakly town.
Herm wolf. Rest of PoE is probably Nanook and LoMo/orange from having no read there.

I could see a Wurzel/Wiml team w/ 1 of Sig, LC/Marmot, or LoMo

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:48 pm**

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:36 pm I'm not defending myself here because there's no point. Good luck wolves have a good one.

I assume this is a concession and not a "I'm town but can't fight it" post. Either way.

[VOTE: Wiml] aubergine

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:51 pm**

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:00 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:36 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:01 am LoMo can you talk me through the explanations for a couple of reads of your choice please?
sure which ones?
Anything you haven't talked about in length but feel strongly about please!

There is not much but I got weirded out by both wurzel and herms read list.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:52 pm**

Regarding my own wagon, I admit that I probably have had lower WIM than usual today and have been a bit on autopilot. There is a good reason for that.

As everyone seems to be outing their roles now, I am one shot town vig. Unfortunately, I used my one shot on Ender.

Just to give some background on this: in one of my fairly recent games, I took part in a Hydra. My partner and I were town and got a free vig shot. I wanted to shoot Tim and his partner as they were posting in gifs. My partner persuaded me to holster as it was risky to shoot. We holstered. Tim was a wolf and that game was mafia sweep.

So since then I said if I got a vig again I would use it. I strongly scum read Ender and it didn't look like anyone was going to vote him out so I used the vig.

What is really annoying is I could have vigged Hollowkatt but everyone insisted on yeeting him on d1.

I'm sorry for my mistake. Still on the plus side it looks like we've got a wolf.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:53 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:19 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:37 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:36 pm LoMo not voting me when he's got me as lock scum is a horrible look, how is that towny? He's waiting to see what wagon to join
Bro me voting. not voting is nai to know my alignment, i have had a scum and town game here. I accused nutella of being scum in the crossover game and i was the first to do it and i was not the first to vote her though. I didnt vote owner even though she was scum, like unless i deem i need to, i wont.

This checks out. In Elder Scrolls as scum, LoMo didn't vote Days 1, 2, and I think 4. As town in the crossover game, LoMo didn't vote Days 2, 3, and 6.

Why do you not vote every day?

Sometimes i want to but not there during eod, sometimes i forget, sometimes i feel i don't need to, sometimes i feel what is the use of voting.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:53 pm**

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:41 pm Ftr I want to say that I was holding back still lol.

What were you holding back from us???

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:54 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:47 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:44 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:42 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:40 pm I still have really no opinion on LoMo from what I've seen. They're probably the player I look at next?
Give us some hard takes, cuz you seem kinda waffley
Duskfall/Tim/Ydrasse/Wurzel/Creature/You town.
sig/LC very weakly town.
Herm wolf. Rest of PoE is probably Nanook and LoMo/orange from having no read there.
I could see a Wurzel/Wiml team w/ 1 of Sig, LC/Marmot, or LoMo

Agree with this.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:54 pm**

Aw so many 1-shot town killing

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:54 pm**

But perhaps that makes sense

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:55 pm**

Don Wurzeloni wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:00 pm So here are my initial thoughts and reads:

Finding the vibe here very different to MU. If MU is like afternoon tea at Claridge’s, this place is like a pool bar coming up to closing time

WIML – Feels pretty towny as usual (although he is generally towny). Likely to resolve later on
Esooa slot – Lean town. Esooa gets more wound up when she is town
Alison – getting good vibes so far (although I haven’t seen her wolf yet)

HK – 3p as claimed

Ender – several of his posts have pinged me but I am not quite sure enough to scum read yet

Falcon – early town PR claiming is anti-town
Gavial slot – his behaviour was massively anti-town
Nanook – His claimed PR sounds incredibly suss to me (do day cops even exist?) Feels like a good way to get a cheap town read

Why wouldn't you have shot the other 3 players you had as much higher scum reads?

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:56 pm**

Inb4 more infodump

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:57 pm**

Oh, that clears some stuff up. I feel like that makes sense, Wurzel. Although you're prob gonna get questions about the Ender kill.

Wurzel = Town though!

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:58 pm**

[VOTE: wiml] aubergine

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:59 pm**

i will probably focus my energy on the Pirate King and a few others for next phase.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:59 pm**

I'm kinda tempted to just believe Wurzel because even if Ender was pretty town I don't think wolves waste their vig on him and Wurzel like claimed when he wasn't particularly in danger of being lynched.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:59 pm**

Wanna say i didn't like tim's push on wurzel using alison as scapegoat. Alison could have even tried lynching me today.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:01 pm**

My reads have been fire this game, sad to see i got wiml wrong though. Well played wiml.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:02 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:55 pm
Don Wurzeloni wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:00 pm So here are my initial thoughts and reads:

Finding the vibe here very different to MU. If MU is like afternoon tea at Claridge’s, this place is like a pool bar coming up to closing time

WIML – Feels pretty towny as usual (although he is generally towny). Likely to resolve later on
Esooa slot – Lean town. Esooa gets more wound up when she is town
Alison – getting good vibes so far (although I haven’t seen her wolf yet)

HK – 3p as claimed

Ender – several of his posts have pinged me but I am not quite sure enough to scum read yet

Falcon – early town PR claiming is anti-town
Gavial slot – his behaviour was massively anti-town
Nanook – His claimed PR sounds incredibly suss to me (do day cops even exist?) Feels like a good way to get a cheap town read
Why wouldn't you have shot the other 3 players you had as much higher scum reads?

That was my list of very initial thoughts earlier on in the day. I then read Ender's ISO and decided he definitely was a wolf (see #1209). I also then made him my top scum read at #1370

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:03 pm**

falcon
orangecrush
NANOOK
sig
Wiml
lost monkey
Marmot

This is my POE. Though Herm depends on what role Wiml flips.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:04 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:59 pm I'm kinda tempted to just believe Wurzel because even if Ender was pretty town I don't think wolves waste their vig on him and Wurzel like claimed when he wasn't particularly in danger of being lynched.

I'm not sure how he can be a wolf if that's his role. Wiml was likely the wolf sent for the kill on Alison last night.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:05 pm**

Unless they had two kills, although I'm not sure how llikely that is.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:05 pm**

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:04 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:59 pm I'm kinda tempted to just believe Wurzel because even if Ender was pretty town I don't think wolves waste their vig on him and Wurzel like claimed when he wasn't particularly in danger of being lynched.
I'm not sure how he can be a wolf if that's his role. Wiml was likely the wolf sent for the kill on Alison last night.

Wolf 1-shot vig can still be a thing, but I don't think it'd be wasted on Ender

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:06 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:03 pm falcon
orangecrush
NANOOK
sig
Wiml
lost monkey
Marmot

This is my POE. Though Herm depends on what role Wiml flips.

That's a scummy looking swimming pool.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:07 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:05 pm
Herm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:04 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:59 pm I'm kinda tempted to just believe Wurzel because even if Ender was pretty town I don't think wolves waste their vig on him and Wurzel like claimed when he wasn't particularly in danger of being lynched.
I'm not sure how he can be a wolf if that's his role. Wiml was likely the wolf sent for the kill on Alison last night.
Wolf 1-shot vig can still be a thing, but I don't think it'd be wasted on Ender

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:07 pm**

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:06 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:03 pm falcon
orangecrush
NANOOK
sig
Wiml
lost monkey
Marmot

This is my POE. Though Herm depends on what role Wiml flips.
That's a scummy looking swimming pool.

Does that mean you think I am right?

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:07 pm**

Gotcha! @Creature

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:07 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:07 pm
Herm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:06 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:03 pm falcon
orangecrush
NANOOK
sig
Wiml
lost monkey
Marmot

This is my POE. Though Herm depends on what role Wiml flips.
That's a scummy looking swimming pool.
Does that mean you think I am right?

Yes.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:08 pm**

I think I would take a look at Marmot because they've been pretty unimpressive so far.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:12 pm**

Wiml...

Never, ever fold.

Wiml/Wurzel/X/X2

Those with the X...I will find you, and I will kill you.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:15 pm**

Still don't think Wurzel is wolf here but meh

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:20 pm**

Don Wurzeloni wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:52 pm Regarding my own wagon, I admit that I probably have had lower WIM than usual today and have been a bit on autopilot. There is a good reason for that.

As everyone seems to be outing their roles now, I am one shot town vig. Unfortunately, I used my one shot on Ender.

Just to give some background on this: in one of my fairly recent games, I took part in a Hydra. My partner and I were town and got a free vig shot. I wanted to shoot Tim and his partner as they were posting in gifs. My partner persuaded me to holster as it was risky to shoot. We holstered. Tim was a wolf and that game was mafia sweep.

So since then I said if I got a vig again I would use it. I strongly scum read Ender and it didn't look like anyone was going to vote him out so I used the vig.

What is really annoying is I could have vigged Hollowkatt but everyone insisted on yeeting him on d1.

I'm sorry for my mistake. Still on the plus side it looks like we've got a wolf.

for future reference hero shots are always the incorrect play btw, always shoot someone that is an ok death even if they are town

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:21 pm**

Duskfall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:20 pm
Don Wurzeloni wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:52 pm Regarding my own wagon, I admit that I probably have had lower WIM than usual today and have been a bit on autopilot. There is a good reason for that.

As everyone seems to be outing their roles now, I am one shot town vig. Unfortunately, I used my one shot on Ender.

Just to give some background on this: in one of my fairly recent games, I took part in a Hydra. My partner and I were town and got a free vig shot. I wanted to shoot Tim and his partner as they were posting in gifs. My partner persuaded me to holster as it was risky to shoot. We holstered. Tim was a wolf and that game was mafia sweep.

So since then I said if I got a vig again I would use it. I strongly scum read Ender and it didn't look like anyone was going to vote him out so I used the vig.

What is really annoying is I could have vigged Hollowkatt but everyone insisted on yeeting him on d1.

I'm sorry for my mistake. Still on the plus side it looks like we've got a wolf.
for future reference hero shots are always the incorrect play btw, always shoot someone that is an ok death even if they are town

Didn't you do that to Kaz? yeah you did

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:22 pm**

i did not if i was picking my own kill i wouldve shot esooa shot

which my heart told me to do but my experience told me not to do! kza was scumread and in lots of poes

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:23 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:03 pm falcon
orangecrush
NANOOK
sig
Wiml
lost monkey
Marmot

This is my POE. Though Herm depends on what role Wiml flips.

Why does WIML's role effect Herm? Sorry if I'm being dumb.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:24 pm**

Kinda funny I've been posting all this while watching online class

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:24 pm**

Don Wurzeloni wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:23 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:03 pm falcon
orangecrush
NANOOK
sig
Wiml
lost monkey
Marmot

This is my POE. Though Herm depends on what role Wiml flips.
Why does WIML's role effect Herm? Sorry if I'm being dumb.

he is mafia and was tracked to target herm

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:24 pm**

Duskfall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:22 pm i did not if i was picking my own kill i wouldve shot esooa shot

which my heart told me to do but my experience told me not to do! kza was scumread and in lots of poes

yeah I think it was a better shot than mine

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:26 pm**

Don Wurzeloni wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:23 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:03 pm falcon
orangecrush
NANOOK
sig
Wiml
lost monkey
Marmot

This is my POE. Though Herm depends on what role Wiml flips.
Why does WIML's role effect Herm? Sorry if I'm being dumb.

I tracked Wiml to Alison and Herm. Alison was prob the factional kill, while Herm was prob the role ability use. I suppose if Wiml flips something like rolecop it is safe to say they would almost always target town here. If it is something like doctor however things might be different.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:26 pm**

Holstering is also incorrect too btw, view vig as saving town a kill on someone stuck in Poe rather than feeling you need to make a big hero play and hit mafia cause hitting town that was gonna be daykilled is still +EV for town

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:28 pm**

Duskfall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:22 pm i did not if i was picking my own kill i wouldve shot esooa shot

which my heart told me to do but my experience told me not to do! kza was scumread and in lots of poes

Not really, but whatevs. You had him as a top scum read, he wasn't widely scum read. Perhaps somewhat, but you took a hero shot on one of your top scum reads.

What's done is done tho.

Given Wiml flips red, and Wurz is the Vig, here's my list:

Town: Creature, Herm, Dusk, Wurz, Falcon, Tim

POE: orange, LoMo, Ydrass, Nook, Sig, Marmot

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:29 pm**

Duskfall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:26 pm Holstering is also incorrect too btw, view vig as saving town a kill on someone stuck in Poe rather than feeling you need to make a big hero play and hit mafia cause hitting town that was gonna be daykilled is still +EV for town

This is correct but town also needs to reach into a consensus. By D1 we were like all over the place and Ender was getting heat.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:30 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:15 pm Still don't think Wurzel is wolf here but meh

Wiml had no reason to defend a town Wurzel day one, and no reason to fight my take on Alison's read on Wurzel unless it was right.

There's a balance...Dusk is a one shot town vig, and the wolves have their own extra KP...Wurzel vigged Ender. Wiml D1 defended him so he could get the shot off. Now Wiml is mech busted and Wurzel is hard spewed so may as well try to bluster claim as town vig and throw it off, but X and X2 are gonna hard distance from that shit and probably bus.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:32 pm**

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:30 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:15 pm Still don't think Wurzel is wolf here but meh
Wiml had no reason to defend a town Wurzel day one, and no reason to fight my take on Alison's read on Wurzel unless it was right.

There's a balance...Dusk is a one shot town vig, and the wolves have their own extra KP...Wurzel vigged Ender. Wiml D1 defended him so he could get the shot off. Now Wiml is mech busted and Wurzel is hard spewed so may as well try to bluster claim as town vig and throw it off, but X and X2 are gonna hard distance from that shit and probably bus.

Possible, but I'd like to see what Wiml's role ability is, what the visit to Herm was about

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:32 pm**

Duskfall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:22 pm i did not if i was picking my own kill i wouldve shot esooa shot

which my heart told me to do but my experience told me not to do! kza was scumread and in lots of poes

I assume we are both glad you didn't do that.

Meanwhile I really wish you had shot Wurzel, but Kza was a valid shot.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:34 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:32 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:30 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:15 pm Still don't think Wurzel is wolf here but meh
Wiml had no reason to defend a town Wurzel day one, and no reason to fight my take on Alison's read on Wurzel unless it was right.

There's a balance...Dusk is a one shot town vig, and the wolves have their own extra KP...Wurzel vigged Ender. Wiml D1 defended him so he could get the shot off. Now Wiml is mech busted and Wurzel is hard spewed so may as well try to bluster claim as town vig and throw it off, but X and X2 are gonna hard distance from that shit and probably bus.
Possible, but I'd like to see what Wiml's role ability is, what the visit to Herm was about

I'm kinda betting that it is gonna be clearing on Herm. Wiml was leaning heavy into a Herm push and clearly had no idea he was suss so I don't think he was distancing there.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:35 pm**

Kaz was not a good shot, I've been playing with the guy for 6 years. He was not in his scum meta

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:36 pm**

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:34 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:32 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:30 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:15 pm Still don't think Wurzel is wolf here but meh
Wiml had no reason to defend a town Wurzel day one, and no reason to fight my take on Alison's read on Wurzel unless it was right.

There's a balance...Dusk is a one shot town vig, and the wolves have their own extra KP...Wurzel vigged Ender. Wiml D1 defended him so he could get the shot off. Now Wiml is mech busted and Wurzel is hard spewed so may as well try to bluster claim as town vig and throw it off, but X and X2 are gonna hard distance from that shit and probably bus.
Possible, but I'd like to see what Wiml's role ability is, what the visit to Herm was about
I'm kinda betting that it is gonna be clearing on Herm. Wiml was leaning heavy into a Herm push and clearly had no idea he was suss so I don't think he was distancing there.

I assume so as well, but I'd like to know. How balanced is it if the Maf have an extra kill, and have extra role ability? Bear in mind that they did not elect to use any of these extra abilities on the PR claim.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:36 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:35 pm Kaz was not a good shot, I've been playing with the guy for 6 years. He was not in his scum meta

Meh. Kaz was definitely POE.

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