The Syndicate

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:44 pm @alexa

Tell me why I shouldn't be afraid of you snowing me this game.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:43 pm hm
i had a "if I'm dead this is the team" team

Gira wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 2:03 am anyway

spf is trying to propose the possibility that the wagon on falcon was all town

this is a patently ridiculous idea from my point of view: the only three people alive who did not vote falcon are me, dolby, and nanook. for me to accept that idea i would have to accept that the mafia team is dolby/nanook and nanook just kind of passively bussed dolby and let town drive itself off a cliff. but i don't think that's what he'd do as mafia, and he was raelly trying to get people to vote dolby. so that idea is outrageous from my point of view, and it should be obvious why i reject it

now, from her pov you have to have the consideration that the team is me/dolby. this, again, doesn't make a ton of sense because i easily could have let myself vote falcon after my rereading earlier in the day, so again that assumes i'm really desperately bussing or something. which is possible, i guess, but i don't think it would seem the most likely. but regardless: dolby replaced alison. go look back at alison's iso. it is not very long. i was the one person in the game that alison pushed. we make absolutely no sense whatsoever as a mafia team. this should be really obvious for anyone to see. (this was the somewhat greedy reason i wanted dolby flipped because i could argue this in my defense).

any rational person could see that alison/me makes no sense as a team. but this is the solve stay positive friend is advocating. she is not a ridiculous or irrational person, so why is she proposing this? it is because she is mafia and does not care to think about the game rationally, only in terms of narratives that are convenient to her. she does not care about solving the game

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:44 pm @alexa

Tell me why I shouldn't be afraid of you snowing me this game.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:54 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:43 pm hm
i had a "if I'm dead this is the team" team

which team was that?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:02 am alexa this is sorta the stupid way to ask this question but can LC be snowing you or is that just like beyond possibility (be honest)
same question, eventually, to spf

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:58 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:44 pm @alexa

Tell me why I shouldn't be afraid of you snowing me this game.

main thing is my approach to WILGY d1. if i was wolf i would have literally no reason to go out of my way to push him the way i did when a lot of people townread him

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:07 am

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:58 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:44 pm @alexa

Tell me why I shouldn't be afraid of you snowing me this game.

main thing is my approach to WILGY d1. if i was wolf i would have literally no reason to go out of my way to push him the way i did when a lot of people townread him

Should I consider anything else?

I'm asking this because I need to make sure I'm not just being left alive with you because I'm hard shielding you while you are mafia. I need to make sure I'm not fucking up and making a fool out of myself again. I need a reason to stay confident on you being town.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:02 am alexa this is sorta the stupid way to ask this question but can LC be snowing you or is that just like beyond possibility (be honest)
same question, eventually, to spf

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:12 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:07 am

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:58 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:44 pm @alexa

Tell me why I shouldn't be afraid of you snowing me this game.

main thing is my approach to WILGY d1. if i was wolf i would have literally no reason to go out of my way to push him the way i did when a lot of people townread him

Should I consider anything else?

I'm asking this because I need to make sure I'm not just being left alive with you because I'm hard shielding you while you are mafia. I need to make sure I'm not fucking up and making a fool out of myself again. I need a reason to stay confident on you being town.

brad, if you think there's any possibility i may be mafia then look at my ISO please

like, idk what else to say here, i feel like it should be clear but i get why it's nerve-wracking in this scenario. illario thought i was hard town and died d1

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:02 am alexa this is sorta the stupid way to ask this question but can LC be snowing you or is that just like beyond possibility (be honest)
same question, eventually, to spf

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:38 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:02 am alexa this is sorta the stupid way to ask this question but can LC be snowing you or is that just like beyond possibility (be honest)
same question, eventually, to spf

lime coke is townier in this game than ive seen him in even most of his town games, which would mean that a world where he's a wolf is a world where he became an EXTREMELY good and scary wolf within an extremely short period of time. it's possible and it is something i'm considering while i'm re-evaluating my reads, but i don't find it particularly likely

fwiw i dont think lime coke has actually wolfed against me before, but i remember his wolf meta from epicmafia chat games pretty well

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:36 am Actually... yeah Alexa town I just thought of something.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:46 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:36 am Actually... yeah Alexa town I just thought of something.

what did you think of?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:54 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:46 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:36 am Actually... yeah Alexa town I just thought of something.

what did you think of?

I was thinking "Why the hell was Wilgy going after her the entire time and completely disregarding any other pushes like FingerSplints or Nanook?"

The only other person he voted was Mac and myself, otherwise he was mostly on Alexa.

Like I get how Alexa feels about her bussing others, which is she tries to do it the least amount as possible, but I don't think she'd want her teammates actually going hell bound against her?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:59 am i'm probably not going to post for the rest of the night, but i have a day off tomorrow and will be dedicating some time to this game, so PLEASE do not vote or end the day early, even if you are 100% confident about who the wolves are. i've been burned two days in a row by an early hammer and im not gonna let it happen in LYLO

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:43 am TSP/alexa, alexa/TSP, TSP/gira, gira/alexa

^^^if i'm right about lime coke being town, then these are the possible teams. do any of these teams immediately stand out as being unlikely or impossible to be partnered with each other?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:15 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:43 am TSP/alexa, alexa/TSP, TSP/gira, gira/alexa

^^^if i'm right about lime coke being town, then these are the possible teams. do any of these teams immediately stand out as being unlikely or impossible to be partnered with each other?

also, i want everyone to answer this please

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:57 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 2:03 am anyway

spf is trying to propose the possibility that the wagon on falcon was all town

this is a patently ridiculous idea from my point of view: the only three people alive who did not vote falcon are me, dolby, and nanook. for me to accept that idea i would have to accept that the mafia team is dolby/nanook and nanook just kind of passively bussed dolby and let town drive itself off a cliff. but i don't think that's what he'd do as mafia, and he was raelly trying to get people to vote dolby. so that idea is outrageous from my point of view, and it should be obvious why i reject it

now, from her pov you have to have the consideration that the team is me/dolby. this, again, doesn't make a ton of sense because i easily could have let myself vote falcon after my rereading earlier in the day, so again that assumes i'm really desperately bussing or something. which is possible, i guess, but i don't think it would seem the most likely. but regardless: dolby replaced alison. go look back at alison's iso. it is not very long. i was the one person in the game that alison pushed. we make absolutely no sense whatsoever as a mafia team. this should be really obvious for anyone to see. (this was the somewhat greedy reason i wanted dolby flipped because i could argue this in my defense).

any rational person could see that alison/me makes no sense as a team. but this is the solve stay positive friend is advocating. she is not a ridiculous or irrational person, so why is she proposing this? it is because she is mafia and does not care to think about the game rationally, only in terms of narratives that are convenient to her. she does not care about solving the game

oh and just to clear things up, i think that gira was actually right that it was illogical for me to believe that he and dolby worked as a team. i looked over the interactions between gira and dolby and thought that they were compatible (and no, i didn't find think his point about not voting for dolby on d2 was a compelling reason to dissociate the two of them), but i didn't look at the interactions on alison's side and failed to factor in that they looked pretty clearly unaligned with each other

this was the first post i thought was actually pretty towny from gira because the logic was actually correct, but i guess it'd be pretty easy to make this post from the POV of a wolf that knows he is being incorrectly paired with another player for bad reasons

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:53 pm i'm re-evaluating all of my reads from scratch and then going from there. that was the second (or possibly even third day) in a row where the day ended like ~24 hours before the deadline and im a little frustrated that i haven't even had the time to solve this game properly

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:02 am TSP/SPF now W/W, LC not wolf, Gira wolf

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:23 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:57 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 2:03 am anyway

spf is trying to propose the possibility that the wagon on falcon was all town

this is a patently ridiculous idea from my point of view: the only three people alive who did not vote falcon are me, dolby, and nanook. for me to accept that idea i would have to accept that the mafia team is dolby/nanook and nanook just kind of passively bussed dolby and let town drive itself off a cliff. but i don't think that's what he'd do as mafia, and he was raelly trying to get people to vote dolby. so that idea is outrageous from my point of view, and it should be obvious why i reject it

now, from her pov you have to have the consideration that the team is me/dolby. this, again, doesn't make a ton of sense because i easily could have let myself vote falcon after my rereading earlier in the day, so again that assumes i'm really desperately bussing or something. which is possible, i guess, but i don't think it would seem the most likely. but regardless: dolby replaced alison. go look back at alison's iso. it is not very long. i was the one person in the game that alison pushed. we make absolutely no sense whatsoever as a mafia team. this should be really obvious for anyone to see. (this was the somewhat greedy reason i wanted dolby flipped because i could argue this in my defense).

any rational person could see that alison/me makes no sense as a team. but this is the solve stay positive friend is advocating. she is not a ridiculous or irrational person, so why is she proposing this? it is because she is mafia and does not care to think about the game rationally, only in terms of narratives that are convenient to her. she does not care about solving the game

oh and just to clear things up, i think that gira was actually right that it was illogical for me to believe that he and dolby worked as a team. i looked over the interactions between gira and dolby and thought that they were compatible (and no, i didn't find think his point about not voting for dolby on d2 was a compelling reason to dissociate the two of them), but i didn't look at the interactions on alison's side and failed to factor in that they looked pretty clearly unaligned with each other

this was the first post i thought was actually pretty towny from gira because the logic was actually correct, but i guess it'd be pretty easy to make this post from the POV of a wolf that knows he is being incorrectly paired with another player for bad reasons

i think your read on me is absolute nonsense and i'm going to vote you for it

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:19 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:15 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:43 am TSP/alexa, alexa/TSP, TSP/gira, gira/alexa

^^^if i'm right about lime coke being town, then these are the possible teams. do any of these teams immediately stand out as being unlikely or impossible to be partnered with each other?

also, i want everyone to answer this please

I think TSP/Alexa never fucking happens in this game. I will consider it a wolf claim if you guess that's the team.

However I DO think Alexa/TSP has every right to be the team and it's been quite obvious.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:29 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:19 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:15 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:43 am TSP/alexa, alexa/TSP, TSP/gira, gira/alexa

^^^if i'm right about lime coke being town, then these are the possible teams. do any of these teams immediately stand out as being unlikely or impossible to be partnered with each other?

also, i want everyone to answer this please

I think TSP/Alexa never fucking happens in this game. I will consider it a wolf claim if you guess that's the team.

However I DO think Alexa/TSP has every right to be the team and it's been quite obvious.

i'm not gonna lie, i dont really understand what you mean lol

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:26 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:53 pm i'm re-evaluating all of my reads from scratch and then going from there. that was the second (or possibly even third day) in a row where the day ended like ~24 hours before the deadline and im a little frustrated that i haven't even had the time to solve this game properly

performatively scummy

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:28 am but i didnt even out a read on you in this post - do you actually find my read on you scummy or do you just want an excuse to vote for me?