The Syndicate

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:42 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:40 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:37 pm If anyone else wants to comment on scum Radish feel free.
i don’t really know what your scum meta is

you played pretty differently the first time i saw you wolf compared to the second

First time I hadn't yet realised I'm bad at wolfing against high level players.

Second time I deliberately aimed to do every little thing to pocket you because we had recently played a run of games together.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:42 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:37 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:35 pm Would prooobably be harmless but better safe than sorry

It'll be later later
People think you 1610'd, so you might want to deal with that.

i don’t think it’s possible to 1610 on ts because we do wolf chats over discord not forum threads like MU

it was something else but idk what

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:42 pm**

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:40 pmOh. Okay.

Read Dizzy's second and third posts of the day. I thought it was too obvious and wanted him to be explicit about it in either direction.

No.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:43 pm**

@Master Radishes only real way forward for my read on you to change for the better is to know who is mafia instead of you.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:44 pm**

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:40 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:37 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:35 pm Would prooobably be harmless but better safe than sorry

It'll be later later
People think you 1610'd, so you might want to deal with that.
Oh. Okay.

Read Dizzy's second and third posts of the day. I thought it was too obvious and wanted him to be explicit about it in either direction.

i still don’t get it?

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:45 pm**

Anyway I just mainly like people talking about me.

If you want to know why I'm not a wolf here it's (a) I've not tried harder to (fake) solve and (b) my general comfort level talking directly to people (instead of around/about them) and (c) I've not made a TMI slip (which I do at least once per wolf rand).

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:45 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:45 pm Anyway I just mainly like people talking about me.

If you want to know why I'm not a wolf here it's (a) I've not tried harder to (fake) solve and (b) my general comfort level talking directly to people (instead of around/about them) and (c) I've not made a TMI slip (which I do at least once per wolf rand).

TMI that you're not wolf counts as TMI.

Gottem

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:50 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:45 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:45 pm Anyway I just mainly like people talking about me.

If you want to know why I'm not a wolf here it's (a) I've not tried harder to (fake) solve and (b) my general comfort level talking directly to people (instead of around/about them) and (c) I've not made a TMI slip (which I do at least once per wolf rand).
TMI that you're not wolf counts as TMI.

Gottem

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:56 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:45 pm Anyway I just mainly like people talking about me.

If you want to know why I'm not a wolf here it's (a) I've not tried harder to (fake) solve and (b) my general comfort level talking directly to people (instead of around/about them) and (c) I've not made a TMI slip (which I do at least once per wolf rand).

I would protest B). I have employed the "third-person point of view" tell myself on occasion before, and it's something I have noticed in your game here -- particularly from players that suspect you.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:47 pm Why am I and Dizzy in a dichotomy? That was an Alison thing and now it's an NAA thing and I don't know why.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:15 pm So I can have some light reading on my bus ride home, why was NAA's EoD villagery?

I dont even know what to feel about him, I just don't really get why he's now a town read.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:56 pm I've never, in admittedly more limited than you might expect experience, seen Jay treat someone the way he's treating Mac now. I find it interesting and probably alignment indicative.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:35 am Alison read up and wrote a bunch of words on it and came out with almost exactly the same view, i.e. the same inner PoE with one minor addition.

If she's town she's reading this game kinda badly.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:49 pm I am unconvinced that Alison is this convinced about me.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:58 am Alison's reasoning for voting me is strikingly poor for her. I want to call it wolfy but I expect better fake nudges from her when she's wolfing. I'm going to quietly scumread her for the rest of D1 but do nothing about it.

I would argue that you talked about/around Alison considerably more than you talked to Alison. If you respond to this post please don't quote the whole thing.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:00 pm**

Counterpoint: normally I'd just avoid raising the ire of Alison by saying any of that if I knew she was on to me.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:01 pm**

You seem intent on finding reasons to keep me in your line of fire, but I'm still not finding it particularly scummy, so I guess that's something.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:02 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:01 pm You seem intent on finding reasons to keep me in your line of fire, but I'm still not finding it particularly scummy, so I guess that's something.

It's unlikely to change if your post history continues to be defined by people are suspicious of me. I need some offense.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:03 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:01 pm You seem intent on finding reasons to keep me in your line of fire, but I'm still not finding it particularly scummy, so I guess that's something.

don’t like this

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:03 pm**

the way you’re responding to jay is kinda wolfy radishes

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:04 pm**

I think one my own strong TR is Hally at this point. I respect their scum range immensely, but it just feels so *right* how they've treated me this game based on the run of games we had a year (?) or so ago.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:04 pm**

No. I think Radish is town. I'm the Radish friend.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:06 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:02 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:01 pm You seem intent on finding reasons to keep me in your line of fire, but I'm still not finding it particularly scummy, so I guess that's something.
It's unlikely to change if your post history continues to be defined by people are suspicious of me. I need some offense.

I don't care what you need. I'm making my own way through this game based on my own personal situation.

It's important for me to be in sync with the flow of the thread and due to irl circumstances I haven't been. Sometimes conversation helps me, regardless of the (game-related) topic.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:06 pm**

I am bothered that Nanook's only accusation of Day 2 so far has been a single vote for c4 that he blamed on IAWY. At least I don't remember any other accusations.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:07 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:03 pm the way you’re responding to jay is kinda wolfy radishes

What, like that I'm not omgusing him? Lord knows I want to. But his take on what he perceives to be my scum meta does make his PoV make sense.

He's still getting it wrong and he keeps doing it and that's kinda annoying.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:07 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:04 pm No. I think Radish is town. I'm the Radish friend.

so who are the wolves?

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:08 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:06 pm I don't care what you need. I'm making my own way through this game based on my own personal situation.

It's important for me to be in sync with the flow of the thread and due to irl circumstances I haven't been. Sometimes conversation helps me, regardless of the (game-related) topic.

That's fine. You're going to do your thing. I'm just saying that the current state of our dialogue is probably not going to change my mind.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:11 pm**

MR is quite towny here actually.

I'm a little bit tired of Jimmay saying "Do stuff, solve the game, I can only read you by that", cause I don't really think that's true.
I had half the thought that I've only really seen Jimmay solve patiently with PoE and wanting to hear people out even if he suspects them, so this smack smack bang is a change of pace. This is not really an accusation, but

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:11 pm**

If the day ended in five seconds and I had a free hammer, it'd go on Nanook. He's been near or in the poll lead all day and is just existing. He doesn't have to "care" in the conventional sense, but in his town body I'd at least anticipate snark or sarcasm or even serious counter-efforts.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:11 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:07 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:04 pm No. I think Radish is town. I'm the Radish friend.
so who are the wolves?

Nanook is probably one at least

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:11 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:07 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:03 pm the way you’re responding to jay is kinda wolfy radishes
What, like that I'm not omgusing him? Lord knows I want to. But his take on what he perceives to be my scum meta does make his PoV make sense.

He's still getting it wrong and he keeps doing it and that's kinda annoying.

yeah

ime when a known strong player is pushing someone and the person getting pushed v reads them back or ignores it they usually end up being a wolf with TMI that their pusher is a villager

but tbf you did omgus alison D1

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:13 pm**

I still think Nook is wolfier than Radish

And every other Radish point looks like accusing him of being Radish

Shrug

Disclaimer haven't fully absorbed the Radish stuff yet

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:14 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:11 pm MR is quite towny here actually.

I'm a little bit tired of Jimmay saying "Do stuff, solve the game, I can only read you by that", cause I don't really think that's true.
I had half the thought that I've only really seen Jimmay solve patiently with PoE and wanting to hear people out even if he suspects them, so this smack smack bang is a change of pace. This is not really an accusation, but

I can understand it being annoying, but let me clarify:

Players don't have to "do things, solve the game" to be readable to me. What I am saying is that when I have suspicions, constant self-defense is the absolute least effective manner of changing my mind. I just don't work that way. I think self-defense even as a construct is from the starting point ">rand mafia", even if everyone does it sometimes. The surest means of moving my vote is helping me figure out someone else that is a better vote.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:15 pm**

I've been on board with Nook sus since like literally pg 1.

Everyone go do that and leave me alone.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:15 pm**

nook can be a wolf, sure

not gonna defend him

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:17 pm**

I'm playing in a subdued version of my 2015ish rage meta. Nobody recognizes it anymore I guess.

Rest assured though there was a time when I didn't write every post I make like a Nice Calm Boy. I might need to play with more animation like this if I am going to have fun (jury is still out, but I'm trying).

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:18 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:06 pm I am bothered that Nanook's only accusation of Day 2 so far has been a single vote for c4 that he blamed on IAWY. At least I don't remember any other accusations.

Idk why this would both you lol, I dont typically have a long list of pushes

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:19 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:17 pm I'm playing in a subdued version of my 2015ish rage meta. Nobody recognizes it anymore I guess.

Rest assured though there was a time when I didn't write every post I make like a Nice Calm Boy. I might need to play with more animation like this if I am going to have fun (jury is still out, but I'm trying).

Is ok, just confused yeah. I'm clearly confusing people as well. Guess I hate being town almost as much as I hate being mafia rn, so specchat for me in the near future =p

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:19 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:17 pm I'm playing in a subdued version of my 2015ish rage meta. Nobody recognizes it anymore I guess.

Rest assured though there was a time when I didn't write every post I make like a Nice Calm Boy. I might need to play with more animation like this if I am going to have fun (jury is still out, but I'm trying).

I do remember a different tone to you from S2, though I would never have described it as 'rage'.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:19 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:11 pm If the day ended in five seconds and I had a free hammer, it'd go on Nanook. He's been near or in the poll lead all day and is just existing. He doesn't have to "care" in the conventional sense, but in his town body I'd at least anticipate snark or sarcasm or even serious counter-efforts.

I don't care what you'd expect lol

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:20 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:19 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:11 pm If the day ended in five seconds and I had a free hammer, it'd go on Nanook. He's been near or in the poll lead all day and is just existing. He doesn't have to "care" in the conventional sense, but in his town body I'd at least anticipate snark or sarcasm or even serious counter-efforts.
I don't care what you'd expect lol

I'm sure you don't. I don't whether or not you care.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:24 pm**

"He doesn't care" and "he seems flat" are just awful ways to read me

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:25 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:24 pm "He doesn't care" and "he seems flat" are just awful ways to read me

how about:

you barely have reads and are trying your best to blend

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:26 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:24 pm "He doesn't care" and "he seems flat" are just awful ways to read me

give us something to read you on then

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:28 pm**

I've made plenty of reads, what?

I have like 150 posts lol I'm sure there's plenty of readable stuff in there

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:29 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:24 pm "He doesn't care" and "he seems flat" are just awful ways to read me

I actually think it's a decent way to read you. I sense you caring about expressing your reads when you are town.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:29 pm**

145 posts LiTeRaLlY uNrEaDaBlE

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:30 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:29 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:24 pm "He doesn't care" and "he seems flat" are just awful ways to read me
I actually think it's a decent way to read you. I sense you caring about expressing your reads when you are town.

....and you have a mediocre read on me, and read me wrong for almost exactly this reason last time, iirc?

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:31 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:29 pm 145 posts LiTeRaLlY uNrEaDaBlE

imagine NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME implying post count and readability have any connection

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:31 pm**

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, NAA has made 99 posts. Must be something readable in there, eh?

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:38 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:30 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:29 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:24 pm "He doesn't care" and "he seems flat" are just awful ways to read me
I actually think it's a decent way to read you. I sense you caring about expressing your reads when you are town.
....and you have a mediocre read on me, and read me wrong for almost exactly this reason last time, iirc?

I was wrong on one game we played on MU a while back.

In any case, my vote is still worth 1 so

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:39 pm**

Who's moaning the most about not being town read btw? I think I'm up there

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:45 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:29 pm 145 posts LiTeRaLlY uNrEaDaBlE

what’s the villageriest thing you’ve posted iyo?

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:48 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:31 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, NAA has made 99 posts. Must be something readable in there, eh?

Yeah probably

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:49 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:45 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:29 pm 145 posts LiTeRaLlY uNrEaDaBlE
what’s the villageriest thing you’ve posted iyo?

Idk, I dont have to evaluate myself lol. I think I'm broadly in my town meta but idk that there's one specific thing that clears me. Maybe my entrance wrt mac and Jay or not forcing a read on axe, but

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:51 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:31 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:29 pm 145 posts LiTeRaLlY uNrEaDaBlE
imagine NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME implying post count and readability have any connection

Imagine saying there's nothing in 145 posts to read

Like fuck, if you can't read me that's fine, but just say that, don't pretend ive done nothing lol

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