The Syndicate

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:17 pm Golden, your arguments since I asked for more have been more persuasive, but I’m now hung up on this: if TH is indie, what reason do we have to believe keeping him is to our advantage (aside from numbers)? When do we get rid of him? LYLO?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:27 pm I got cockblocked by Quin when I tried to say hi to Scotty and now my life is over

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:27 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:26 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:24 pm I hate my life

But you have so much to live for.

I guess?

Dude have you heard about my wincon

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:30 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:25 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:23 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:22 pmhi

hey why don't i have an impression of you yet scotty? usually i have one by now.

I don’t know. Why don’t you?

If you’re not a stump what are you, since no one else asked?

I haven't decided yet. Any suggestions?

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:23 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:22 pmhi

hey why don't i have an impression of you yet scotty? usually i have one by now.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:55 pm Tables must be flipped, especially if they are

Spoiler: show

times tables

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:30 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:17 pm Golden, your arguments since I asked for more have been more persuasive, but I’m now hung up on this: if TH is indie, what reason do we have to believe keeping him is to our advantage (aside from numbers)? When do we get rid of him? LYLO?

this argument ignores the premise that if turnip head is telling the truth he's gonna go away on his own, and if he doesn't vanish then it's already in our best interest to lynch him. It's not even a dilemma.

the argument for keeping an indie turnip head isn't that it's to our advantage, it's that lynching him is a waste of resources and attention when we can just see if he vanishes or not.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:33 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:23 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:22 pmhi

hey why don't i have an impression of you yet scotty? usually i have one by now.

Golden confirmed Scotty and Spacedaisy as civs
You confirmed sig and INH aren't teammates and then sig died and now we all assume he's bad and INH can't be if sig is
Epignosis confirmed that he has a micropenis and then I had to admit that I had one too in order to make him feel good
Sprityo is not Greek
Turnip Head confirmed to me in a DM that he's bad
Lapluie and Lunalee are both ladies that start with the letter L

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:36 pmBecause hey, I could be wrong to be suspicious of him.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:33 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:23 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:22 pmhi

hey why don't i have an impression of you yet scotty? usually i have one by now.

Golden confirmed Scotty and Spacedaisy as civs
You confirmed sig and INH aren't teammates and then sig died and now we all assume he's bad and INH can't be if sig is
Epignosis confirmed that he has a micropenis and then I had to admit that I had one too in order to make him feel good
Sprityo is not Greek
Turnip Head confirmed to me in a DM that he's bad
Lapluie and Lunalee are both ladies that start with the letter L

yea but i don't trust golden so i'm not gonna just clear him blindly

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:46 pm Mac's lying. The question is whether he is lying as a baddie or lying as a civ. People like MP and SVS have lied as civs about red peeks before to get someone lynched they strongly believed were bad. SVS did it successfully, MP did is unsucessfully. I am unsure which I believe about Mac here. Because it boils down to the fact he is lying.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:55 pm Tables must be flipped, especially if they are

Spoiler: show

times tables

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:37 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:33 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:23 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:22 pmhi

hey why don't i have an impression of you yet scotty? usually i have one by now.

Golden confirmed Scotty and Spacedaisy as civs
You confirmed sig and INH aren't teammates and then sig died and now we all assume he's bad and INH can't be if sig is
Epignosis confirmed that he has a micropenis and then I had to admit that I had one too in order to make him feel good
Sprityo is not Greek
Turnip Head confirmed to me in a DM that he's bad
Lapluie and Lunalee are both ladies that start with the letter L

yea but i don't trust golden so i'm not gonna just clear him blindly

Golden is the sort of player who would town clear townies who he believed were town just to make himself strong as a Mafia, so it's fair not to trust him. Tinfoily but fair.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:11 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:02 pm Then it was a stupid joke in a game like this, with no indication that it was a joke. Especially since you've been coming after me. What in your post would ever indicate to me you are joking? Not a damn thing and you know it. it wasn't a joke, it was a fake red peek to get a rise out of me. And you did. you know why? Because I am civ! And hell yes I get mad when someone openly lies about me and a red peek.

No, I won't go away.

This post is a thing. The bolded in particular. Something about it. Someone smarter than me analyse this for clues.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:37 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:33 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:23 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:22 pmhi

hey why don't i have an impression of you yet scotty? usually i have one by now.

Golden confirmed Scotty and Spacedaisy as civs
You confirmed sig and INH aren't teammates and then sig died and now we all assume he's bad and INH can't be if sig is
Epignosis confirmed that he has a micropenis and then I had to admit that I had one too in order to make him feel good
Sprityo is not Greek
Turnip Head confirmed to me in a DM that he's bad
Lapluie and Lunalee are both ladies that start with the letter L

yea but i don't trust golden so i'm not gonna just clear him blindly

Golden is the sort of player who would town clear townies who he believed were town just to make himself strong as a Mafia, so it's fair not to trust him. Tinfoily but fair.

That’s the thing. I would normally be very suspicious of someone just outright clearing me so vehemently as town if it weren’t for the fact that I have built into my role that someone is looking for me.

I don’t see the angle where mafia is looking for me and oh look they found me get fucked scotty

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:35 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:30 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:17 pm Golden, your arguments since I asked for more have been more persuasive, but I’m now hung up on this: if TH is indie, what reason do we have to believe keeping him is to our advantage (aside from numbers)? When do we get rid of him? LYLO?

this argument ignores the premise that if turnip head is telling the truth he's gonna go away on his own, and if he doesn't vanish then it's already in our best interest to lynch him. It's not even a dilemma.

the argument for keeping an indie turnip head isn't that it's to our advantage, it's that lynching him is a waste of resources and attention when we can just see if he vanishes or not.

He might not go away if we don’t let him, and he may not align in a pro-town manner. In AG, two indies aligned with the scumteam at endgame and it made all the difference.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:11 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:02 pm Then it was a stupid joke in a game like this, with no indication that it was a joke. Especially since you've been coming after me. What in your post would ever indicate to me you are joking? Not a damn thing and you know it. it wasn't a joke, it was a fake red peek to get a rise out of me. And you did. you know why? Because I am civ! And hell yes I get mad when someone openly lies about me and a red peek.

No, I won't go away.

This post is a thing. The bolded in particular. Something about it. Someone smarter than me analyse this for clues.

Daisy’s job is to immediately put you down not to lol. If someone claims a fake red that’s what anyone should do. Reminds me wilgy.

It did strike me as a joke but then I wasn’t the one it was aimed at.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:31 pm kyle who you gonna vote for today

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:37 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:33 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:23 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:22 pmhi

hey why don't i have an impression of you yet scotty? usually i have one by now.

Golden confirmed Scotty and Spacedaisy as civs
You confirmed sig and INH aren't teammates and then sig died and now we all assume he's bad and INH can't be if sig is
Epignosis confirmed that he has a micropenis and then I had to admit that I had one too in order to make him feel good
Sprityo is not Greek
Turnip Head confirmed to me in a DM that he's bad
Lapluie and Lunalee are both ladies that start with the letter L

yea but i don't trust golden so i'm not gonna just clear him blindly

Golden is the sort of player who would town clear townies who he believed were town just to make himself strong as a Mafia, so it's fair not to trust him. Tinfoily but fair.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:46 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:35 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:30 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:17 pm Golden, your arguments since I asked for more have been more persuasive, but I’m now hung up on this: if TH is indie, what reason do we have to believe keeping him is to our advantage (aside from numbers)? When do we get rid of him? LYLO?

this argument ignores the premise that if turnip head is telling the truth he's gonna go away on his own, and if he doesn't vanish then it's already in our best interest to lynch him. It's not even a dilemma.

the argument for keeping an indie turnip head isn't that it's to our advantage, it's that lynching him is a waste of resources and attention when we can just see if he vanishes or not.

He might not go away if we don’t let him, and he may not align in a pro-town manner. In AG, two indies aligned with the scumteam at endgame and it made all the difference.

that seems like a really good reason to just let him predict correctly then? I dont see what the problem there is. letting turnip head live but purposefully depriving him of his wincon is actually the worst option for everyone involved, I don't think anyone is suggesting we do that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:46 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:11 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:02 pm Then it was a stupid joke in a game like this, with no indication that it was a joke. Especially since you've been coming after me. What in your post would ever indicate to me you are joking? Not a damn thing and you know it. it wasn't a joke, it was a fake red peek to get a rise out of me. And you did. you know why? Because I am civ! And hell yes I get mad when someone openly lies about me and a red peek.

No, I won't go away.

This post is a thing. The bolded in particular. Something about it. Someone smarter than me analyse this for clues.

Daisy’s job is to immediately put you down not to lol. If someone claims a fake red that’s what anyone should do. Reminds me wilgy.

It did strike me as a joke but then I wasn’t the one it was aimed at.

Point at the bad players for me.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:21 pm Spacedaisy

I've decided to trust you. You don't want to lynch Lunalee. Got a better option for me?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:46 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:37 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:33 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:23 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:22 pmhi

hey why don't i have an impression of you yet scotty? usually i have one by now.

Golden confirmed Scotty and Spacedaisy as civs
You confirmed sig and INH aren't teammates and then sig died and now we all assume he's bad and INH can't be if sig is
Epignosis confirmed that he has a micropenis and then I had to admit that I had one too in order to make him feel good
Sprityo is not Greek
Turnip Head confirmed to me in a DM that he's bad
Lapluie and Lunalee are both ladies that start with the letter L

yea but i don't trust golden so i'm not gonna just clear him blindly

Golden is the sort of player who would town clear townies who he believed were town just to make himself strong as a Mafia, so it's fair not to trust him. Tinfoily but fair.

That’s the thing. I would normally be very suspicious of someone just outright clearing me so vehemently as town if it weren’t for the fact that I have built into my role that someone is looking for me.

I don’t see the angle where mafia is looking for me and oh look they found me get fucked scotty

It's very pro-town mechanism if it's just as clear as what has transpired.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:46 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:11 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:02 pm Then it was a stupid joke in a game like this, with no indication that it was a joke. Especially since you've been coming after me. What in your post would ever indicate to me you are joking? Not a damn thing and you know it. it wasn't a joke, it was a fake red peek to get a rise out of me. And you did. you know why? Because I am civ! And hell yes I get mad when someone openly lies about me and a red peek.

No, I won't go away.

This post is a thing. The bolded in particular. Something about it. Someone smarter than me analyse this for clues.

Daisy’s job is to immediately put you down not to lol. If someone claims a fake red that’s what anyone should do. Reminds me wilgy.

It did strike me as a joke but then I wasn’t the one it was aimed at.

Point at the bad players for me.

For today, I'll stick with Luna. I'll look for more tomorrow.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:50 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:46 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:37 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:33 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:23 pm

hey why don't i have an impression of you yet scotty? usually i have one by now.

Golden confirmed Scotty and Spacedaisy as civs
You confirmed sig and INH aren't teammates and then sig died and now we all assume he's bad and INH can't be if sig is
Epignosis confirmed that he has a micropenis and then I had to admit that I had one too in order to make him feel good
Sprityo is not Greek
Turnip Head confirmed to me in a DM that he's bad
Lapluie and Lunalee are both ladies that start with the letter L

yea but i don't trust golden so i'm not gonna just clear him blindly

Golden is the sort of player who would town clear townies who he believed were town just to make himself strong as a Mafia, so it's fair not to trust him. Tinfoily but fair.

That’s the thing. I would normally be very suspicious of someone just outright clearing me so vehemently as town if it weren’t for the fact that I have built into my role that someone is looking for me.

I don’t see the angle where mafia is looking for me and oh look they found me get fucked scotty

It's very pro-town mechanism if it's just as clear as what has transpired.

I mean, less pro-town than town masons in a game where you can make claims.

I got really lucky that I found scotty so early, which is important to note.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:48 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:21 pm Spacedaisy

I've decided to trust you. You don't want to lynch Lunalee. Got a better option for me?

I never said I don't want to lynch lunalee. I said I would rather lynch TH first.

I want to say I'm sorry for losing mycool and saying that to Mac. Not just to him but to everyone.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:47 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:46 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:35 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:30 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:17 pm Golden, your arguments since I asked for more have been more persuasive, but I’m now hung up on this: if TH is indie, what reason do we have to believe keeping him is to our advantage (aside from numbers)? When do we get rid of him? LYLO?

this argument ignores the premise that if turnip head is telling the truth he's gonna go away on his own, and if he doesn't vanish then it's already in our best interest to lynch him. It's not even a dilemma.

the argument for keeping an indie turnip head isn't that it's to our advantage, it's that lynching him is a waste of resources and attention when we can just see if he vanishes or not.

He might not go away if we don’t let him, and he may not align in a pro-town manner. In AG, two indies aligned with the scumteam at endgame and it made all the difference.

that seems like a really good reason to just let him predict correctly then? I dont see what the problem there is. letting turnip head live but purposefully depriving him of his wincon is actually the worst option for everyone involved, I don't think anyone is suggesting we do that.

So it’s not possible to you, at all, that Turnip Head is lying about his wincon, and how fucking low of a threshold it is?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:51 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:50 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:46 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:37 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:33 pm

Golden confirmed Scotty and Spacedaisy as civs
You confirmed sig and INH aren't teammates and then sig died and now we all assume he's bad and INH can't be if sig is
Epignosis confirmed that he has a micropenis and then I had to admit that I had one too in order to make him feel good
Sprityo is not Greek
Turnip Head confirmed to me in a DM that he's bad
Lapluie and Lunalee are both ladies that start with the letter L

yea but i don't trust golden so i'm not gonna just clear him blindly

Golden is the sort of player who would town clear townies who he believed were town just to make himself strong as a Mafia, so it's fair not to trust him. Tinfoily but fair.

That’s the thing. I would normally be very suspicious of someone just outright clearing me so vehemently as town if it weren’t for the fact that I have built into my role that someone is looking for me.

I don’t see the angle where mafia is looking for me and oh look they found me get fucked scotty

It's very pro-town mechanism if it's just as clear as what has transpired.

I mean, less pro-town than town masons in a game where you can make claims.

I got really lucky that I found scotty so early, which is important to note.

You found him via a night action right?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:48 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:21 pm Spacedaisy

I've decided to trust you. You don't want to lynch Lunalee. Got a better option for me?

I never said I don't want to lynch lunalee. I said I would rather lynch TH first.

I want to say I'm sorry for losing mycool and saying that to Mac. Not just to him but to everyone.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:50 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:46 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:11 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:02 pm Then it was a stupid joke in a game like this, with no indication that it was a joke. Especially since you've been coming after me. What in your post would ever indicate to me you are joking? Not a damn thing and you know it. it wasn't a joke, it was a fake red peek to get a rise out of me. And you did. you know why? Because I am civ! And hell yes I get mad when someone openly lies about me and a red peek.

No, I won't go away.

This post is a thing. The bolded in particular. Something about it. Someone smarter than me analyse this for clues.

Daisy’s job is to immediately put you down not to lol. If someone claims a fake red that’s what anyone should do. Reminds me wilgy.

It did strike me as a joke but then I wasn’t the one it was aimed at.

Point at the bad players for me.

For today, I'll stick with Luna. I'll look for more tomorrow.

I feel like you aren't being confrontational in this game. You are more agreeable than I am used to seeing. Making few provocative statements. Picking the easy outs?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:52 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:47 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:46 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:35 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:30 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:17 pm Golden, your arguments since I asked for more have been more persuasive, but I’m now hung up on this: if TH is indie, what reason do we have to believe keeping him is to our advantage (aside from numbers)? When do we get rid of him? LYLO?

this argument ignores the premise that if turnip head is telling the truth he's gonna go away on his own, and if he doesn't vanish then it's already in our best interest to lynch him. It's not even a dilemma.

the argument for keeping an indie turnip head isn't that it's to our advantage, it's that lynching him is a waste of resources and attention when we can just see if he vanishes or not.

He might not go away if we don’t let him, and he may not align in a pro-town manner. In AG, two indies aligned with the scumteam at endgame and it made all the difference.

that seems like a really good reason to just let him predict correctly then? I dont see what the problem there is. letting turnip head live but purposefully depriving him of his wincon is actually the worst option for everyone involved, I don't think anyone is suggesting we do that.

So it’s not possible to you, at all, that Turnip Head is lying about his wincon, and how fucking low of a threshold it is?

Colin, if some spooky dude tells you you're gonna get visited by 3 ghosts later that night do you call the liar police immediately to send him to liars jail or do you wait til that night to find out if the thing about ghosts was true just in case? obviously you gotta wait for the ghosts.

it doesn't matter if what he's said seems true or not when his statement can be at least partially verified without extra work or resources

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:56 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:52 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:47 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:46 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:35 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:30 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:17 pm Golden, your arguments since I asked for more have been more persuasive, but I’m now hung up on this: if TH is indie, what reason do we have to believe keeping him is to our advantage (aside from numbers)? When do we get rid of him? LYLO?

this argument ignores the premise that if turnip head is telling the truth he's gonna go away on his own, and if he doesn't vanish then it's already in our best interest to lynch him. It's not even a dilemma.

the argument for keeping an indie turnip head isn't that it's to our advantage, it's that lynching him is a waste of resources and attention when we can just see if he vanishes or not.

He might not go away if we don’t let him, and he may not align in a pro-town manner. In AG, two indies aligned with the scumteam at endgame and it made all the difference.

that seems like a really good reason to just let him predict correctly then? I dont see what the problem there is. letting turnip head live but purposefully depriving him of his wincon is actually the worst option for everyone involved, I don't think anyone is suggesting we do that.

So it’s not possible to you, at all, that Turnip Head is lying about his wincon, and how fucking low of a threshold it is?

Colin, if some spooky dude tells you you're gonna get visited by 3 ghosts later that night do you call the liar police immediately to send him to liars jail or do you wait til that night to find out if the thing about ghosts was true just in case? obviously you gotta wait for the ghosts.

it doesn't matter if what he's said seems true or not when his statement can be at least partially verified without extra work or resources

OK. You’re not seeing my position and haven’t attempted to do so. I do the same thing as Turnip Head without the super easy wincon. Mechanically, how does it make sense that he wins the game by doing something I am expected to do via my role with better-than-average frequency?

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:57 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:56 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:52 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:47 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:46 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:35 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:30 pm

this argument ignores the premise that if turnip head is telling the truth he's gonna go away on his own, and if he doesn't vanish then it's already in our best interest to lynch him. It's not even a dilemma.

the argument for keeping an indie turnip head isn't that it's to our advantage, it's that lynching him is a waste of resources and attention when we can just see if he vanishes or not.

He might not go away if we don’t let him, and he may not align in a pro-town manner. In AG, two indies aligned with the scumteam at endgame and it made all the difference.

that seems like a really good reason to just let him predict correctly then? I dont see what the problem there is. letting turnip head live but purposefully depriving him of his wincon is actually the worst option for everyone involved, I don't think anyone is suggesting we do that.

So it’s not possible to you, at all, that Turnip Head is lying about his wincon, and how fucking low of a threshold it is?

Colin, if some spooky dude tells you you're gonna get visited by 3 ghosts later that night do you call the liar police immediately to send him to liars jail or do you wait til that night to find out if the thing about ghosts was true just in case? obviously you gotta wait for the ghosts.

it doesn't matter if what he's said seems true or not when his statement can be at least partially verified without extra work or resources

OK. You’re not seeing my position and haven’t attempted to do so. I do the same thing as Turnip Head without the super easy wincon. Mechanically, how does it make sense that he wins the game by doing something I am expected to do via my role with better-than-average frequency?

Would you reasonably expect a mason pair to endeavour to understand your perspective on their mason pair?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:53 pm Let's all sing campfire songs and eat sausage on bread.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:01 pm Wtf is “sausage on bread”

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:04 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:01 pm Wtf is “sausage on bread”

A hot dog.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:04 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:04 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:01 pm Wtf is “sausage on bread”

A hot dog.

NO

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:08 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:04 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:04 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:01 pm Wtf is “sausage on bread”

A hot dog.

NO

Yes, or else you should have been more specific.

Those Americans don't do sausage sizzles.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:56 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:52 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:47 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:46 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:35 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:30 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:17 pm Golden, your arguments since I asked for more have been more persuasive, but I’m now hung up on this: if TH is indie, what reason do we have to believe keeping him is to our advantage (aside from numbers)? When do we get rid of him? LYLO?

this argument ignores the premise that if turnip head is telling the truth he's gonna go away on his own, and if he doesn't vanish then it's already in our best interest to lynch him. It's not even a dilemma.

the argument for keeping an indie turnip head isn't that it's to our advantage, it's that lynching him is a waste of resources and attention when we can just see if he vanishes or not.

He might not go away if we don’t let him, and he may not align in a pro-town manner. In AG, two indies aligned with the scumteam at endgame and it made all the difference.

that seems like a really good reason to just let him predict correctly then? I dont see what the problem there is. letting turnip head live but purposefully depriving him of his wincon is actually the worst option for everyone involved, I don't think anyone is suggesting we do that.

So it’s not possible to you, at all, that Turnip Head is lying about his wincon, and how fucking low of a threshold it is?

Colin, if some spooky dude tells you you're gonna get visited by 3 ghosts later that night do you call the liar police immediately to send him to liars jail or do you wait til that night to find out if the thing about ghosts was true just in case? obviously you gotta wait for the ghosts.

it doesn't matter if what he's said seems true or not when his statement can be at least partially verified without extra work or resources

OK. You’re not seeing my position and haven’t attempted to do so. I do the same thing as Turnip Head without the super easy wincon. Mechanically, how does it make sense that he wins the game by doing something I am expected to do via my role with better-than-average frequency?

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:11 pm I don't think Luna is the right vote. Intuition has to play a role given the lack of flips and mine is telling me this is so. I also don't have an alternative.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:11 pm I don't think Luna is the right vote. Intuition has to play a role given the lack of flips and mine is telling me this is so. I also don't have an alternative.