[END] Bioshock Mafia

[Mongoose]

^This, so much this! I get that Indi's death is by a civ (now gone rogue) as far as the post reads, but all the splicers and security bots just went rogue. So let's assume that Indi was wrong about Bea and she was a splicer, well now she is a rogue SK, correct? That is assuming she was wrong about Bea, which I am not convinced is true. I am likely putting my vote there today as well, because the chances seem pretty good that miss Bea has a kill now even if she did not before...

I don't know what's up with Bea either way, but wouldn't that be a little obvious for Bea to do that? I mean someone picked up on that almost immediately. I don't know if someone would frame her (or would have the foresight to do so), but it's not like Bea 2.0 hasn't been constantly as suspect since her debut. Killing off indi would be a good move for the baddies because they'd know we'd likely jump on the Bea-train asap.

How sorry are you going to be that you keep belittling this case by calling it a Bea-Train when/if she flips baddie?

I just call it that because it's catchy. You know, like A-Train. I'm not belittling it as much as being skeptical. Which honestly, I think we can use in this game considering how many civs we've already wrongfully lynched.

Oh, lol... I get it now.

Calling it a train signifies to me that you thought I was trying to start a bandwagon.

Oh okay! No, not at all.

All: What was the scoop on looking at DF?

[Draconus]

It was my understanding that DF can be very quiet and sneaky, but when he does post on rare occassions they are usually quite informative and helpful. This he has apparently done when he was a baddie. He may use the same style when civ, too, so I'm not sure.

[Bullzeye]

I like Bullzeye's case against INH. The moderately contradictory statements coupled with calling Bullzeye a "her" and saying he thinks Bullz is being coached is strange to me considering that Bullzeye has been around for years and I'm sure they've played games together before this one (though I'd need to go back through old games to confirm this).

INH and I have played together before a ton of times, off the top of my head I can think of at least 5 games. I even won one of his mini-mafia games on LP. That's why it's weird he thinks I'm being coached, it's not even like this is the first time we've met, I still remember when he came onto LP and talked about wanting to start playing mafia right as Beatles (my first game) was finishing. I really want to know where and why I apparently seem like I'm being coached.

As far as not knowing my gender, it's either him or Zombies that have always thought I was female for some reason no matter how many times I correct them. Although perhaps they know something I don't, a friend of mine got an email today because I put her down as a reference for some volunteer work I want, and they referred to me as female there as well. This one is even weirder because I'd actually met the person who wrote the email.

[indiglo]

Although perhaps they know something I don't, a friend of mine got an email today because I put her down as a reference for some volunteer work I want, and they referred to me as female there as well. This one is even weirder because I'd actually met the person who wrote the email.

Wait for the 0:25 mark...

[indiglo]

^^ Should have been red.

[insertnamehere]

Wow. Hell of a night.

Oh boy, things are about to get a lot deadlier up in here... RIP, DH.

People have mentioned INH as a possible target, but I'm not getting much of a bad read off of him. He was wrong about Dex, but so was I. His defense against Bullz feels legitimately frustrated as opposed to baddie posturing.

Interesting that his defense against me of all people would seem frustrated, don't you think? Maybe looking for sympathy after how annoyed I was at Dom/Nutella? The case on INH has nothing to do with Dex. In the first few days, he was demonstrably blendy and appeared to be trying to keep under the radar. Then he jumps onto the potential bandwagon against me claiming Bea made a solid case when she didn't even definitely think I was bad. He claimed I looked like I was being coached, which is an odd thing to say of someone who's been playing for as long as I have (or even a couple of months really, nobody needs coaching after their first few games). He never explained that comment despite me asking him to/implying he should do four times. Despite what he said on the matter, I also still think it's weird that he claimed to be following what Bea said and then used Dom's thoughts as the reason to vote for me.

I think INH, Bullz, Snow Dog, and DFaraday are all good people to discuss today..

You've changed your tune. Again. I think there's more evidence on INH than any of the others you mentioned and will probably be voting for him.

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[Mongoose]

INH is either

a) insanified OR

b) pretending to be insanified

What do we all think?

[Bullzeye]

Although perhaps they know something I don't, a friend of mine got an email today because I put her down as a reference for some volunteer work I want, and they referred to me as female there as well. This one is even weirder because I'd actually met the person who wrote the email.

Wait for the 0:25 mark...

INH is either

a) insanified OR

b) pretending to be insanified

What do we all think?

I think MP said a while ago that INH should have been punished for not voting but didn't follow his punishment? Maybe this is the next one up if you don't vote for yourself when told to.

On the subject of me and INH having played together before, because I'm weird like that I looked it up and we've played at least 6 games but curiously we've never been in the same game on RM unless he played the big Lost one where we all used sockpuppets. I'm not sure if that should be OT or not tbh, it's just a little thing I noticed.

[Mongoose]

INH is either

a) insanified OR

b) pretending to be insanified

What do we all think?

I think MP said a while ago that INH should have been punished for not voting but didn't follow his punishment? Maybe this is the next one up if you don't vote for yourself when told to.

Oooh, good catch.

Let's marinate on why INH is so hesitant to vote for himself. Is it because he has something to hide?

[Bullzeye]

INH is either

a) insanified OR

b) pretending to be insanified

What do we all think?

I think MP said a while ago that INH should have been punished for not voting but didn't follow his punishment? Maybe this is the next one up if you don't vote for yourself when told to.

Oooh, good catch.

Let's marinate on why INH is so hesitant to vote for himself. Is it because he has something to hide?

Perhaps it is. The thing is, the day he refused his public penance is the day he came back to the game and voted for me. Before he did that I don't think anyone was really that suspicious of him so he could probably have gotten away with doing it. Maybe you're right and he's hiding something, maybe he didn't want the attention a self-vote would've drawn before it became obvious that that was what the public penance was. Sort of ironic if he was.

[Mongoose]

When MP announced INH had renounced his penance, I was pingy. Now that we've allowed this thought to steep, I am over-the-moon and back again pingy.

[bea]

OK so Bea comes back after Indi and I make a pretty large case on her and votes for civ. Then comes back again, and doesn't even mention that case (or Daisy's) and just ignores all mention of her and no one thinks that's odd?

Not to mention, Indi is suddenly dead?

My vote will be going to bea today.

I'm sorry did I miss something new I was supposed to address? Was daisy's case asking anything different?

I didn't kill indi, though I was glad to see that at least one other civ (at that time - I'm still wrapping my head around all this allignment changing) thought she was bad as well.

Again - saying "you" instead of "we" really was an "I'm alive now not dead" slip. Did I over react to indi gunning me? Sure I did. I was alive and adjusting to my new role and out of no where there she was. I've pretty much been a mentioned lynch candidate since Day 2, so yea, coming back in again just to have my name thrown right back into the fire did have me a bit on the touchy side. I can't say why Arjia behaved or didn't behave in this game because I'm not him. I do know that the role I replaced into is on the side of good.

If there's something else I missed, I'm happy to address it. Honestly everything else seemed to me different wording of the same points I already responded to.

[Boomslang]

Wow. Hell of a night.

Oh boy, things are about to get a lot deadlier up in here... RIP, DH.

People have mentioned INH as a possible target, but I'm not getting much of a bad read off of him. He was wrong about Dex, but so was I. His defense against Bullz feels legitimately frustrated as opposed to baddie posturing.

Interesting that his defense against me of all people would seem frustrated, don't you think? Maybe looking for sympathy after how annoyed I was at Dom/Nutella? The case on INH has nothing to do with Dex. In the first few days, he was demonstrably blendy and appeared to be trying to keep under the radar. Then he jumps onto the potential bandwagon against me claiming Bea made a solid case when she didn't even definitely think I was bad. He claimed I looked like I was being coached, which is an odd thing to say of someone who's been playing for as long as I have (or even a couple of months really, nobody needs coaching after their first few games). He never explained that comment despite me asking him to/implying he should do four times. Despite what he said on the matter, I also still think it's weird that he claimed to be following what Bea said and then used Dom's thoughts as the reason to vote for me.

I think INH, Bullz, Snow Dog, and DFaraday are all good people to discuss today..

You've changed your tune. Again. I think there's more evidence on INH than any of the others you mentioned and will probably be voting for him.

Fair enough re: the Dex case. Looking over things, the coaching comment does come across as particularly pingy, especially without further explanation. And this latest evidence about INH's punishments adds further fuel to the fire.

The Dom-Bullz fight has been quite interesting to reread as well. The way it suddenly drops away after Day 6 is really weird... What came to light that changed your mind, Dom?

[nutella]

Ugh ugh ugh I am not liking this INH appearing to be insanified thing. I really wanted to vote for him today but I have reservations about voting for a player who cannot defend himself. I'm curious about Beajira as well though.

[Bullzeye]

Ugh ugh ugh I am not liking this INH appearing to be insanified thing. I really wanted to vote for him today but I have reservations about voting for a player who cannot defend himself. I'm curious about Beajira as well though.

I might still vote for him based on two things. One, he brought the curse on himself by not following his first punishment. It's not like most games where people are insanified by another player's choice, this is a punishment for something he did. Or technically didn't do, it's for not voting. The second reason is that he's already had a chance to defend himself. Not saying I'm definitely going for it and the curse does put me off a little but I still might go there unless something brilliant comes up to change my mind.

[Mongoose]

I'm at least satisfied he's not faking because at this point he'd hopefully pipe up to defend himself. Going to go look over role list for the nth time to see who (if anyone) has insanifying powers.

[nutella]

yeah true Bullz. I'm suspicious enough of him that I may well vote for him anyway.

[Russtifinko]

Phew what a catch-up!

So first, RIP Bea 1.0, Dex, and DH and RIPIYWG Indi and Mongoose. WBIYAG Mongoose. And welcome to the game Kate and welcome back to the game Bea 2.0. (I hope I didn't forget anyone! )

I like Bullzeye's case against INH. The moderately contradictory statements coupled with calling Bullzeye a "her" and saying he thinks Bullz is being coached is strange to me considering that Bullzeye has been around for years and I'm sure they've played games together before this one (though I'd need to go back through old games to confirm this).

One thing I don't recall seeing mentioned at all during the days I was missing was discussion of Boomslang and his misleading post on the possibilities for civvie BTSC. Now, I guess since Boats flipped civvie that kind of fell to the wayside, but regardless that post of Boomslang's is something that is still on my mind.

I also think indi might be onto something with regards to Beajira. My gut told me that Bea 1.0 was sincere in her defense and the change in terminology from "we" to "you" does quirk my brow a bit.

I feel like with the huge change of all of the civvie splicers now being rogue and Jack changing teams there will be a ton more to absorb and mull over. I definitely need to go back through the roles again to wrap my brain around things.

Also, my hand slipped and I voted for myself. Oops!

I thought this post contains some nice points. Along with the recent points made on INH, it makes me very concerned about him. I hope we can take a good look at Boomslang as well. And at bea (though people seem to be doing that already). Kate made a good point that just because someone believed indi to be bad doesn't mean she is.

[Hedgeowl]

Wow, I'm kind of reeling from all this.

Well I think it's pretty clear that a civ killed indi from the post, so someone obviously believed she was bad. It seems nearly impossible to me that they could have been on the same team. If they were, why would indi try to get a brand new teammate killed right after they arrived, especially if they were replacing a deadbeat?

My reread of INH is long overdue, it seems. And I'd still love for Dom to elaborate on his suspicions.

I have no idea of Indi's affiliation, and I"m still a little lost from just subbing in, but just because a civ (who is now not a civ?) thought she was bad, doesn't mean she was definitely. Further, even if Indi was bad, there are still plenty of ways for Bea to be bad.

Mata, (I address you because we were posting on this yesterday), does Ajira's behavior in this game remind you more of Candie or Detective Holder?

LInki Flyin high

These are some good points. That's part of why I wondered which splicer, which bea was surprisingly quick to point out to me was a civ splicer now that I think about it. I was surprised that indi thought she could tell a difference so quickly, but rereading there is a noticeable difference in beajira's defense. I'm leaning in this direction. Inh is a tricky one because I also dont like that hes unable to defend himself today, but I understand people not wanting to wait. Also waiting to hear more from Dom, because calling out several names, some again, needs at least a small explanation and debate.

[Flyin' High]

I'm at least satisfied he's not faking because at this point he'd hopefully pipe up to defend himself. Going to go look over role list for the nth time to see who (if anyone) has insanifying powers.

In my experience the perfect time to fact being insanified or silenced is when you're under threat of being lynched and need more time to come up with a solid defense. I'm not saying that's what INH is doing (I think it makes sense that his current posting is a result of his not following his punishment) but I don't think he'd necessarily choose defense over faking a curse.

If people who were going to vote for him today choose not to because he's insanified, then if he's faking it he will have succeeded in his mission--stay alive for another day.

On another note, Bea's defense just doesn't have the same level of sincerity to me this time that it did in her previous incarnation.

[Epignosis]

No votes for bea? I can fix that.

[Dom]

ok - so still in processing mode.

Basicly a whole civ team has just gone rouge. A baddie has deflected to the other baddie team (As it was BWT's team, it's safe to assume that)..... The remaining baddie on that team just went pyscho and is about to go on a killing spree.

Do I have that all right?

Dom - you seem pretty set still in Snow Dog, INH or Bullz - in light of all this new info, your opinion of them doesn't change? Whyfore?

I'm willing to have the conversation, I'm just not sure what the conversation is.

Why would it change?
The baddie pool expanded... I think that some of them, especialy Bullz may be in the new baddie pool.

Wow. Hell of a night.

Oh boy, things are about to get a lot deadlier up in here... RIP, DH.

People have mentioned INH as a possible target, but I'm not getting much of a bad read off of him. He was wrong about Dex, but so was I. His defense against Bullz feels legitimately frustrated as opposed to baddie posturing.

Interesting that his defense against me of all people would seem frustrated, don't you think? Maybe looking for sympathy after how annoyed I was at Dom/Nutella? The case on INH has nothing to do with Dex. In the first few days, he was demonstrably blendy and appeared to be trying to keep under the radar. Then he jumps onto the potential bandwagon against me claiming Bea made a solid case when she didn't even definitely think I was bad. He claimed I looked like I was being coached, which is an odd thing to say of someone who's been playing for as long as I have (or even a couple of months really, nobody needs coaching after their first few games). He never explained that comment despite me asking him to/implying he should do four times. Despite what he said on the matter, I also still think it's weird that he claimed to be following what Bea said and then used Dom's thoughts as the reason to vote for me.

I think INH, Bullz, Snow Dog, and DFaraday are all good people to discuss today..

You've changed your tune. Again. I think there's more evidence on INH than any of the others you mentioned and will probably be voting for him.

Interesting that instead of questioning why I consider you a suspect again, you try to paint me a little black... NOT what you were doing before.

Dom: He wanted to lynch me for like half the game, then he didn't, now he seemingly does again. That's what the change was, you're right he's been after Snow for a long time. I'm not even sure what the case is against DF, is it just that he's quiet?

I stopped because I thought you might be a certain role, or in a group of roles. Then, those groups turned bad/rouge....

re: boomslang - ok - I can understand where you are thinking there. I will look forward to hearing what he has to say.

Dom: Yea - I understand - he was more of an advocator of you when I was Bea 1.0 because of the two of us stuck in the ridiculousness of B = "baddies", he (I would guess?) felt I was more civ? And if not me, then you? IDK - I'm just trying to get myself into the sort of mindset of "if it's not one of them, it's surely the other of them" that seemed to run this thread the early stages of this game. I get the thinking, flawed though it may be. TBH - I'm not sure what the case on DF is either. He's always quiet - he's more of a "quality not quantity" sort of poster, yet you always hope when he posts there's more "quality" than you get. Kinda like DP ya know? I've not seen why we should think DF is bad, but then again -

every civ bot and splicer (that are not the vote manipulation splicers that are cohen's) just turned rouge - I can't even being to make heads or tails of that...

The case against DF? I thought he'd be a good name to discuss because his post quantity and quality is pretty low. And DF, as a civ, usually has better quality, regardless of quantity.

OK so Bea comes back after Indi and I make a pretty large case on her and votes for civ. Then comes back again, and doesn't even mention that case (or Daisy's) and just ignores all mention of her and no one thinks that's odd?

Not to mention, Indi is suddenly dead?

My vote will be going to bea today.

I think Bea would also be a good option.

I threw names out there because I can't vote and wanted to get my voice out there.

I have read back to since Bea 2 started posting and read Indiglo's comments about her. As she seems to know Bea's game very well I put a lot of faith in her points. It did seem like Bea slipped up and she did react differently than before. I voted Bea once and she was civ and don't want to make the same mistake again, but if she is bad I must.

So I'll probably vote Bea, but I need to read INH too. And Dom. Just comes and posts a few names to see what happens I guess.

Is your issue with me still that post I made about wanting to lynch Gleaming?

Gleaming/your reaction to my questioning led me to believe you, like Bullz, could be in the group that is now rogue/bad?

You've changed your tune. Again. I think there's more evidence on INH than any of the others you mentioned and will probably be voting for him.

Fair enough re: the Dex case. Looking over things, the coaching comment does come across as particularly pingy, especially without further explanation. And this latest evidence about INH's punishments adds further fuel to the fire.

The Dom-Bullz fight has been quite interesting to reread as well. The way it suddenly drops away after Day 6 is really weird... What came to light that changed your mind, Dom?[/quote]
Like I said, I think that he could be in the new group of baddies/rogues.

[Dom]

No votes for bea? I can fix that.

Given the way that she reacted after the Night Post, I think she's a great option as well.

[Hedgeowl]

Interesting comments Dom. Seemed like you glopped inh, bullz, snow, and df together. I was wondering if there was further insight, but looks like these were just four names you were throwing out there. I don't know df's style, so have to rely on other players for that one. Inh, I will wait on till he can actually speak. As for Snow and Bullz, you keep mentioning the new baddie pool or rogues. I think Devin mentioned this earlier too. After reading all the roles again, it does not actually say last person standing, but rather last bot or splicer standing. This makes me think they are in fact independent roles killing within the team.

MP- Is it correct that the last rogue bot/splicer can win separately as an independent?

[Tangrowth]

Interesting comments Dom. Seemed like you glopped inh, bullz, snow, and df together. I was wondering if there was further insight, but looks like these were just four names you were throwing out there. I don't know df's style, so have to rely on other players for that one. Inh, I will wait on till he can actually speak. As for Snow and Bullz, you keep mentioning the new baddie pool or rogues. I think Devin mentioned this earlier too. After reading all the roles again, it does not actually say last person standing, but rather last bot or splicer standing. This makes me think they are in fact independent roles killing within the team.

MP- Is it correct that the last rogue bot/splicer can win separately as an independent?

I'm not completely sure I understand your question (sorry), but Splicers and Bots win as Last Man Standing roles. For example, Houdini Splicer cannot now win with Leadhead Splicer alive.

[Hedgeowl]

If Andrew Ryan dies, all of his Splicers and Security Bots become rogue independents, winning only if they survive to be last splicer or bot standing.

So is it last MAN or last bot/splicer?

[Tangrowth]

If Andrew Ryan dies, all of his Splicers and Security Bots become rogue independents, winning only if they survive to be last splicer or bot standing.

So is it last MAN or last bot/splicer?

I don't understand the distinction. The roles are not "men" because they are Bots and Splicers, but Last Bot Standing is the same as Last Man Standing. That player has to be the last one standing at endgame.

Hopefully that helps. If it doesn't let me know. Sorry I don't follow exactly.

[Hedgeowl]

I think this is just a distinction I am missing being newish to this. Is it last player standing (as in they have killed everyone) or specifically just have killed all the other bots and splicers and the civs or baddies are still alive?

[Tangrowth]

I think this is just a distinction I am missing being newish to this. Is it last player standing (as in they have killed everyone) or specifically just have killed all the other bots and splicers and the civs or baddies are still alive?

No worries. Last Man Standing roles are generally what the name would imply; they have to outlive/kill everyone. Last player alive. These Splicer/Bot roles (NOT Cohen's Splicers) are all now the same, completely rogue and on their own.

[Hedgeowl]

I think this is just a distinction I am missing being newish to this. Is it last player standing (as in they have killed everyone) or specifically just have killed all the other bots and splicers and the civs or baddies are still alive?

No worries. Last Man Standing roles are generally what the name would imply; they have to outlive/kill everyone. Last player alive. These Splicer/Bot roles (NOT Cohen's Splicers) are all now the same, completely rogue and on their own.

Ok, thanks! That's what I was confused about.

Dom, I take it back, the baddie pool just got a lot bigger!

[Mongoose]

I think this is just a distinction I am missing being newish to this. Is it last player standing (as in they have killed everyone) or specifically just have killed all the other bots and splicers and the civs or baddies are still alive?

No worries. Last Man Standing roles are generally what the name would imply; they have to outlive/kill everyone. Last player alive. These Splicer/Bot roles (NOT Cohen's Splicers) are all now the same, completely rogue and on their own.

Ok, thanks! That's what I was confused about.

Dom, I take it back, the baddie pool just got a lot bigger!

Good question, hedge. I would have wondered that too. Thanks for being a good answerer, MP.

[DFaraday]

Wow, a lot of craziness that night. Things really aren't looking good right now.

I have to say that INH's insanification isn't sitting right with me. For one thing, his posts don't look like they went through the insanifiers I'm familiar with, and also, its a little too convenient that his punishment just happens to be insanity right when he's up for discussion.

I am trying to get more focused in this game, and for now, Bea and INH are on my radar, ironic considering I've gone on record defending both. But I do have suspicion of Bea considering Indi's splicer-related death.

I also think Dom is an eager civ, despite the fact that he brought me up. And I find Nutella a bit pingy, she mostly seems to be going with the flow this game, a bit more blendy than I've come to expect from her. But she's nowhere near the top of my list.

[Dom]

Wow, a lot of craziness that night. Things really aren't looking good right now.

I have to say that INH's insanification isn't sitting right with me. For one thing, his posts don't look like they went through the insanifiers I'm familiar with, and also, its a little too convenient that his punishment just happens to be insanity right when he's up for discussion.

I am trying to get more focused in this game, and for now, Bea and INH are on my radar, ironic considering I've gone on record defending both. But I do have suspicion of Bea considering Indi's splicer-related death.

I also think Dom is an eager civ, despite the fact that he brought me up. And I find Nutella a bit pingy, she mostly seems to be going with the flow this game, a bit more blendy than I've come to expect from her. But she's nowhere near the top of my list.

These are the types of posts that have been lacking from DF, in my opinion, and why I think he could be discussed. This is the first meaningful thing I can remember him saying. No offense, intended.

[DFaraday]

None taken!

[Dom]

I think this is just a distinction I am missing being newish to this. Is it last player standing (as in they have killed everyone) or specifically just have killed all the other bots and splicers and the civs or baddies are still alive?

No worries. Last Man Standing roles are generally what the name would imply; they have to outlive/kill everyone. Last player alive. These Splicer/Bot roles (NOT Cohen's Splicers) are all now the same, completely rogue and on their own.

Ok, thanks! That's what I was confused about.

Dom, I take it back, the baddie pool just got a lot bigger!

Unfortuneately... it really did.

[bea]

Personally, I think Bea is completely misunderstood and I won't be voting her.

Oh yes - I believe I'm now suspicious because I knew which splicer was the one that did indi in quickly? Yea, it's because I had just read the front page. I myself wanted to make sure that all the splicers that could kill were civ before I said as much. So, I knew which one it was because I have the baddie power of literacy.

Also, the people I'm most worried about? The ADAM mafia. To my knowledge they haven't lost a single player (unless there was some loss of players in the NK's) and they just gained Jack as a teammate.

I feel like I could help people who would let me, but ya'll seem pretty hell bent on lynching me. So you know...whatevs.

[Bullzeye]

Wow. Hell of a night.

Oh boy, things are about to get a lot deadlier up in here... RIP, DH.

People have mentioned INH as a possible target, but I'm not getting much of a bad read off of him. He was wrong about Dex, but so was I. His defense against Bullz feels legitimately frustrated as opposed to baddie posturing.

Interesting that his defense against me of all people would seem frustrated, don't you think? Maybe looking for sympathy after how annoyed I was at Dom/Nutella? The case on INH has nothing to do with Dex. In the first few days, he was demonstrably blendy and appeared to be trying to keep under the radar. Then he jumps onto the potential bandwagon against me claiming Bea made a solid case when she didn't even definitely think I was bad. He claimed I looked like I was being coached, which is an odd thing to say of someone who's been playing for as long as I have (or even a couple of months really, nobody needs coaching after their first few games). He never explained that comment despite me asking him to/implying he should do four times. Despite what he said on the matter, I also still think it's weird that he claimed to be following what Bea said and then used Dom's thoughts as the reason to vote for me.

I think INH, Bullz, Snow Dog, and DFaraday are all good people to discuss today..

You've changed your tune. Again. I think there's more evidence on INH than any of the others you mentioned and will probably be voting for him.

Interesting that instead of questioning why I consider you a suspect again, you try to paint me a little black... NOT what you were doing before...

Like I said, I think that he could be in the new group of baddies/rogues.[/quote]

First off you're still wrong about me, I'm not bad or independent. I threw out my little observation about your second opinion change to see how you'd react, I did pretty much know why you'd laid off and why you started again but I wanted confirmation of that as well. I kinda have tried to 'paint you black' before as well. Your name was in the list of people I find suspicious that I gave to Bea, I'm sure you can remember the one I mean. I've never actually claimed to trust you and do think there's a possibility of you not being pro-civvie (especially now we've got a bunch of new indies) but I think others need to be dealt with first. I'm going to look back into this movement that's building against Bea but if I don't vote her I'll vote INH.

[Bullzeye]

EBWOP: Apparently I messed up the quote tags there while I was snipping away, that's a response to Dom if anybody's unsure.

[bea]

If I had to save myself by voting INH I would. That said, I would like to vote someone else because:

Like I said, ADAM mafia is most likely the strongest group alive - well them and the Choen contingency, but I've not yet worked out how the independents come into play yet. I would worry though if Jack did gain BTS with Choen at some point [and it was a possibility] as if that mafia team has a voting block of the mafia team plus Choen's vote manipulators etc etc etc.. Idk if INH is ADAM, but something tells me that if he were, a lot more people would be leary of lynching him...

At this point....I'd be looking at who are the most vocal strong voices in the thread that seem to be "steering" where our lynches go. Because again, as far as I know, the most intact team still remaining is a mafia team (with the possibility of having the independents on their side as well) . But what do I know? I'm surely bad. Everyone says so. It must be ture.

[Kate]

I'm sure you know things bea. But I also think you are a baddie. I'm sorry to vote you right after you join but I feel most comfortable putting my vote on you.

Votes bea

[bea]

it's ok kate. You have to do what you feel is best. For your sake, I hope you are an ADAM member. Because they are the only people who benefit by my lynch today.


If you are not, learn from your mistake. Because your very life depends on it.

( And - for what it's worth - I give this same message to EVERYONE who votes me today.) Only ADAM benefits by my lynch. Everyone else suffers and looses someone who would have helped you.

Pay attention people. Pay attention to who votes me and how they vote me. Once I'm dead, ADAM has the full range of this thread.

[bea]

I will have to vote unfortunately early - as I have to take my car to get it's emissions test tomorrow and I'm to be at work just as the poll is closing.


I will try to hold my vote as long as I can - so that I can give a "dead Bea walking post." I'm sure the thread will dismiss it - since the thread is now ADAM controlled. But I hope to give as much advice as I can to everyone else before I go, even if they have to publicly laugh at me to stay in the game.

[Snow Dog]

Thinking again about Indiglo's testimony. And all of Bea's posts since. I'm pretty convinced, coupled with Indi's suspicious death circumstances, that Bea is bad. We need to kill baddies without delay so with that in mind I am voting Bea.

[Bullzeye]

I will have to vote unfortunately early - as I have to take my car to get it's emissions test tomorrow and I'm to be at work just as the poll is closing.


I will try to hold my vote as long as I can - so that I can give a "dead Bea walking post." I'm sure the thread will dismiss it - since the thread is now ADAM controlled. But I hope to give as much advice as I can to everyone else before I go, even if they have to publicly laugh at me to stay in the game.

If Team ADAM is as big a threat as you think, why not point out who you think is most likely to be on that team?

[Mongoose]

I'm not voting Bea if she is who I think she is.

I'm voting INH for the reasons we beat to death yesterday. It's a little early, but I've known since yesterday who I was really leaning toward, so why wait? I'm going to go with my gut this time instead of waiting for someone else to be the brave soul and vote for my person first.

*votes insertnamehere*

[Russtifinko]

I think this is just a distinction I am missing being newish to this. Is it last player standing (as in they have killed everyone) or specifically just have killed all the other bots and splicers and the civs or baddies are still alive?

No worries. Last Man Standing roles are generally what the name would imply; they have to outlive/kill everyone. Last player alive. These Splicer/Bot roles (NOT Cohen's Splicers) are all now the same, completely rogue and on their own.

Holy crap!

I thought the Bots and Splicers just had to be the last Bot/Splicer standing! So they're all serial killers now?? This is even worse than I thought.

I'm torn on this lynch, and unfortunately I have to vote now before I go to afternoon classes. INH is insanified, and I always feel bad lynching someone who can't defend. Bea seems like she's trying to be helpful and also seems to be role hinting, though I don't get exactly what she's hinting at.

I think they're both good candidates, but I'm going to go with INH this lynch, because his pre-insanification posts didn't add much to the discussion, and I think bea is at least trying in that regard. Very curious to see how this lynch unfolds.

[Mongoose]

I think this is just a distinction I am missing being newish to this. Is it last player standing (as in they have killed everyone) or specifically just have killed all the other bots and splicers and the civs or baddies are still alive?

No worries. Last Man Standing roles are generally what the name would imply; they have to outlive/kill everyone. Last player alive. These Splicer/Bot roles (NOT Cohen's Splicers) are all now the same, completely rogue and on their own.

Holy crap!

I thought the Bots and Splicers just had to be the last Bot/Splicer standing! So they're all serial killers now?? This is even worse than I thought.

I'm torn on this lynch, and unfortunately I have to vote now before I go to afternoon classes. INH is insanified, and I always feel bad lynching someone who can't defend. Bea seems like she's trying to be helpful and also seems to be role hinting, though I don't get exactly what she's hinting at.

I think they're both good candidates, but I'm going to go with INH this lynch, because his pre-insanification posts didn't add much to the discussion, and I think bea is at least trying in that regard. Very curious to see how this lynch unfolds.

I agree. I find Bea to be sincere and candid in her posts. She's been frank with us.

Let's hope we survive the night!

[Draconus]

I think this is just a distinction I am missing being newish to this. Is it last player standing (as in they have killed everyone) or specifically just have killed all the other bots and splicers and the civs or baddies are still alive?

No worries. Last Man Standing roles are generally what the name would imply; they have to outlive/kill everyone. Last player alive. These Splicer/Bot roles (NOT Cohen's Splicers) are all now the same, completely rogue and on their own.

Holy crap!

I thought the Bots and Splicers just had to be the last Bot/Splicer standing! So they're all serial killers now?? This is even worse than I thought.

I'm torn on this lynch, and unfortunately I have to vote now before I go to afternoon classes. INH is insanified, and I always feel bad lynching someone who can't defend. Bea seems like she's trying to be helpful and also seems to be role hinting, though I don't get exactly what she's hinting at.

I think they're both good candidates, but I'm going to go with INH this lynch, because his pre-insanification posts didn't add much to the discussion, and I think bea is at least trying in that regard. Very curious to see how this lynch unfolds.

I agree. I find Bea to be sincere and candid in her posts. She's been frank with us.

Let's hope we survive the night!

Very interesting discussions going on today. I was not expecting to be swayed from voting for bea today. But the arguments on INH seem very logical and bea's defensive posts are starting to look to me like the defensive posts of bea 1.0 (with a few obvious differences). But something in what she is saying definitely makes me hesitate to vote for her today. I am now leaning towards an INH vote today, though I too feel bad for voting for someone who supposedly can't defend himself.

[nutella]

I'm confused about bea. I'm voting for INH, his (not many) posts have been nothing but suspicious looking.

[Spacedaisy]

I don't have time to catch up, I have to leave for work now so I am voting Bea again.