Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]
Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:58 pm
oh tyty
also i admire the charts eva but unless shit has hit the fan then i'm not sure i can get on board with you
oh tyty
spiny is town because of her early pressure & defenses - let me dig up the posts
Actual insight like this is rare and usually from town.Spiny Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:14 amhow do you have a strong favorite read of iaafr but "who dat" 112 when all of iaafr's meaningful posts/interactions were with 112 lol this read fakeTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:20 amNo who’s 112nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:19 amno mention of 112?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:17 amAh Michelle ma belle blah blah blah French stuff
To be honest no but it also can’t hurt?
Summary:
Juliets: bad
Nutella: good
Drago: weird
Jack: good for now
Nova: scary after cats and dogs
elephant: elephant
Mac: very positive
Creature: creature
iaiaafrair: my new favorite
also just looked in your iso and you actually haven't acknowledged 112 once even though they've had lots of posts and attention so basically you're officially w/w now congratulations
I've been reading and avoiding posting until I finished catching up, bc sleepy and not feeling chatty tbh. but this one stuck out enough to need to reply in the moment.
I'm pretty sure I've literally never seen this post from a scum. I catch it a lot, but it's never from scum.Spiny Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:26 am @Evenstar
so far you are an easy townread to me (actually the easiest), which makes me nervous only because I don't think you are easy to read in general. and in finals when you were town you were a townread, yes, but not an easy or pure one, just like a "I think eva is always like this and it's not scummy" one.
that said, the effortlessness of your savage-tone posting, and the fact that your conversation with Drogo, while meaningless shitposting, actually led you to have a read on him by the end, feels like v easytown to me.
should I be nervous about this read y or y not? :P
has courage of her convictionsSpiny Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:45 pmgone thru mentions. I switch between caps / no caps and punctuation / no punctuation a lot, it is indeed NAI for me. ig it is the difference between shitposting register and longer-sentences register, but it doesn't mean I thought about the punctuated sentences more; I don't edit any of my posts as any alignment unless they're very long and making a complicated case.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:32 amThis one? This is what it was? Of all the posts you latched on to this? I mean I quoted the point I liked from iaafr and it was about Mac. And then he challenged me to a duel and I liked that too. So not all of the meaningful posts/interactions are about 112.Spiny Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:14 am
how do you have a strong favorite read of iaafr but "who dat" 112 when all of iaafr's meaningful posts/interactions were with 112 lol this read fake
I've been reading and avoiding posting until I finished catching up, bc sleepy and not feeling chatty tbh. but this one stuck out enough to need to reply in the moment.
I’m not generally one for individual post construction, but it’s ... interesting ... (someone kill me) that the first half has no punctuation and the latter half does. That shows different curator styles, or that both parts were written separately, or its a player thing I don’t understand because I’ve never played with spiny creature before. Slight lean scum though for the first possibility: in a normal world town would never make such a mentality shift from one half to another, but there are conceivable reasons. The second and third possibilities are NAI.
and as for the first paragraph: yeah it was weird. I stand by that. missing all of the 112/iaafr pocket-not-pocket conversation means you skimmed the thread, so even if it's true you missed forming an impression on iaafr it was weird to me to then have 10 different reads if you hadn't read a great deal.
this is a good thoughtSpiny Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:03 pm*narrows eyes*
I wasn't gonna make too much of it when it was just a throwaway thought from you, but when it's repeated with the exact same wording ("directly confronting me") 12 hours later, that feels like a static read. and maybe forced.
me in one post: "I'm still catching up and wasn't feeling like replying while still reading, but I do want to reply to this one specific thing from Tony"
me in the very next post: "now that i'm posting i might as well post the loose vibes I have on about 5 people so far, including a vague half-remembered read on Hyena, but these are not replies just memories"
like... dude, the lack of direct reply to you is explained. also "directly confront" as if my read on you wasn't as weaksauce as "I think I remember X scummy thing about Hyena, but not sure, will finish catchup first".
tunneling me for not replying directly to you, when I hadn't replied directly to ANYONE IN THE GAME except for Tony, and then repeating the same wording to explain the scumread 12 hours later, just feels insincere to me.
spiny is right that she's never townread pawn and that Hyena's behaviour is sus as hellSpiny Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:27 pm not gonna quote that whole thing @Hyena but i only specifically object to the last one
"more fencesitting :P"
no. i just straight up, by no stretch of the imagination, ever townread Pawn. I said to him "hey I haven't seen any of your posts because I left before you, here is a question for you". that is 110% of our interactions at the point where you said I was calling him town.
you can't just manufacture a nonexistent townread on Pawn and then call me "fencesitting" lol
point out where specifically you got the impression I was townreading him with a quote please?
because people misplace my lazy attitude with scummy-ness
oh trust me, you'll know when i get heatedSpiny Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:29 pmI recall in hypnagogic you tend to get MLed because of low posting but other regulars here were saying your tone as town is actually really good.
Are you low posting this game? If not y do you think you’re getting heat?
Lexi was right about "you have to sell"Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:05 pmTbf, these are probably her most coherent charts yet.
Okay, looking through and honestly? The bobble does seem like a NAI thing for now until we get more data later on. Since it could be Hyena being opportunistic or just being whimsical and I'm not sure which yet. And the Longcon is literally the easiest thing in the world to freely vote for. Either for light pressure to forcibly suggest the player should start posting as town or with a inactive scummate. And then there is just trying to be opportunistic and pushing for a free ML.Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:09 pm#1139 is the vote, drops off in #1164 following your lead onto longcon.Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:40 amWhere in the ISO was this? Can check it out during a lull in class.Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:36 amI'm trying to figure out what Hyena's bobble on Epi means now that Epi's posting and seems towny. If epi town, hyena bobble is... what? NAI?Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:32 am Here’s a roughly ordered list from where I’m at now. Will try and write out comments for each person if I can later on but that might need to wait a bit due to school. So here's who I got before I needed to post.
Town Lean
Epignosis
Scum
Hyena![]()
*insert thumbs up emoji here*Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:12 pmLexi was right about "you have to sell"Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:05 pmTbf, these are probably her most coherent charts yet.
I'm trying to represent less information in each chart so that it's clearer what they mean and people can see my thought process better
This is good. Thank you.Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:07 pmspiny is town because of her early pressure & defenses - let me dig up the posts
same kind of hard gut read as nutella, but given that I could very well be wrong about nutella it's a good idea for me to review the material
Actual insight like this is rare and usually from town.Spiny Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:14 amhow do you have a strong favorite read of iaafr but "who dat" 112 when all of iaafr's meaningful posts/interactions were with 112 lol this read fakeTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:20 amNo who’s 112nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:19 amno mention of 112?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:17 amAh Michelle ma belle blah blah blah French stuff
To be honest no but it also can’t hurt?
Summary:
Juliets: bad
Nutella: good
Drago: weird
Jack: good for now
Nova: scary after cats and dogs
elephant: elephant
Mac: very positive
Creature: creature
iaiaafrair: my new favorite
also just looked in your iso and you actually haven't acknowledged 112 once even though they've had lots of posts and attention so basically you're officially w/w now congratulations
I've been reading and avoiding posting until I finished catching up, bc sleepy and not feeling chatty tbh. but this one stuck out enough to need to reply in the moment.
I'm pretty sure I've literally never seen this post from a scum. I catch it a lot, but it's never from scum.Spiny Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:26 am @Evenstar
so far you are an easy townread to me (actually the easiest), which makes me nervous only because I don't think you are easy to read in general. and in finals when you were town you were a townread, yes, but not an easy or pure one, just like a "I think eva is always like this and it's not scummy" one.
that said, the effortlessness of your savage-tone posting, and the fact that your conversation with Drogo, while meaningless shitposting, actually led you to have a read on him by the end, feels like v easytown to me.
should I be nervous about this read y or y not? :P
has courage of her convictionsSpiny Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:45 pmgone thru mentions. I switch between caps / no caps and punctuation / no punctuation a lot, it is indeed NAI for me. ig it is the difference between shitposting register and longer-sentences register, but it doesn't mean I thought about the punctuated sentences more; I don't edit any of my posts as any alignment unless they're very long and making a complicated case.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:32 amThis one? This is what it was? Of all the posts you latched on to this? I mean I quoted the point I liked from iaafr and it was about Mac. And then he challenged me to a duel and I liked that too. So not all of the meaningful posts/interactions are about 112.Spiny Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:14 am
how do you have a strong favorite read of iaafr but "who dat" 112 when all of iaafr's meaningful posts/interactions were with 112 lol this read fake
I've been reading and avoiding posting until I finished catching up, bc sleepy and not feeling chatty tbh. but this one stuck out enough to need to reply in the moment.
I’m not generally one for individual post construction, but it’s ... interesting ... (someone kill me) that the first half has no punctuation and the latter half does. That shows different curator styles, or that both parts were written separately, or its a player thing I don’t understand because I’ve never played with spiny creature before. Slight lean scum though for the first possibility: in a normal world town would never make such a mentality shift from one half to another, but there are conceivable reasons. The second and third possibilities are NAI.
and as for the first paragraph: yeah it was weird. I stand by that. missing all of the 112/iaafr pocket-not-pocket conversation means you skimmed the thread, so even if it's true you missed forming an impression on iaafr it was weird to me to then have 10 different reads if you hadn't read a great deal.
this is a good thoughtSpiny Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:03 pm*narrows eyes*
I wasn't gonna make too much of it when it was just a throwaway thought from you, but when it's repeated with the exact same wording ("directly confronting me") 12 hours later, that feels like a static read. and maybe forced.
me in one post: "I'm still catching up and wasn't feeling like replying while still reading, but I do want to reply to this one specific thing from Tony"
me in the very next post: "now that i'm posting i might as well post the loose vibes I have on about 5 people so far, including a vague half-remembered read on Hyena, but these are not replies just memories"
like... dude, the lack of direct reply to you is explained. also "directly confront" as if my read on you wasn't as weaksauce as "I think I remember X scummy thing about Hyena, but not sure, will finish catchup first".
tunneling me for not replying directly to you, when I hadn't replied directly to ANYONE IN THE GAME except for Tony, and then repeating the same wording to explain the scumread 12 hours later, just feels insincere to me.
spiny is right that she's never townread pawn and that Hyena's behaviour is sus as hellSpiny Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:27 pm not gonna quote that whole thing @Hyena but i only specifically object to the last one
"more fencesitting :P"
no. i just straight up, by no stretch of the imagination, ever townread Pawn. I said to him "hey I haven't seen any of your posts because I left before you, here is a question for you". that is 110% of our interactions at the point where you said I was calling him town.
you can't just manufacture a nonexistent townread on Pawn and then call me "fencesitting" lol
point out where specifically you got the impression I was townreading him with a quote please?
honestly could go back there rn if not for urgent breakfast spreads
In an unexpected plot twist, in this game nutella is playing the watcher!Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:57 pmArrows indicate read given by person in the center
Background color of the bubble is my read
dark green: town
green: townlean
light blue: towny
grey: null
pink: scummy
orange: scumlean
red: scum
as you can see, my reads and nutella's reads disagree a lot.
oh.Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:57 pmArrows indicate read given by person in the center
Background color of the bubble is my read
dark green: town
green: townlean
light blue: towny
grey: null
pink: scummy
orange: scumlean
red: scum
as you can see, my reads and nutella's reads disagree a lot.
that kinda sounds like an eva thought process based on an anon turbo we played togethernutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:23 pmoh.Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:57 pmArrows indicate read given by person in the center
Background color of the bubble is my read
dark green: town
green: townlean
light blue: towny
grey: null
pink: scummy
orange: scumlean
red: scum
as you can see, my reads and nutella's reads disagree a lot.
so because we disagree I have to be scum?
no
I doublechecked my read list against pawn's because I know he's good at reading games, and usually does so fairly truthfully regardless of alignment. His reads agree with mine, and disagree with yours. That says I'm not just playing badly; you're scum.
You read me in finale, Nutella. I know you know better than this question. Why are you suddenly resorting to AtE instead of reading my damn posts and replying to them?
Evenstar produced very convoluted charts to track ITAs in Dragongard, and had another kind of chart on day 1 of the Mafia Championship Finale. They do appear to progress towards less clutter. Evenstar played town-aligned in both games.
And hm. Would it be angleshooting to check spec chat if she spectated D1 of finals? Since Eva did a lot of them there so if she watched that game she shouldn't be asking this question as town.
no, because I and Pawn agree, and you disagree with both of us, you're scum. Your perspective of the game is not a town perspective. That or Pawn's pocketed me extremely hard, but I've barely interacted with him this game so I seriously doubt that.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:23 pmoh.Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:57 pmArrows indicate read given by person in the center
Background color of the bubble is my read
dark green: town
green: townlean
light blue: towny
grey: null
pink: scummy
orange: scumlean
red: scum
as you can see, my reads and nutella's reads disagree a lot.
so because we disagree I have to be scum?
no
let me get this straightEvenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:28 pmI doublechecked my read list against pawn's because I know he's good at reading games, and usually does so fairly truthfully regardless of alignment. His reads agree with mine, and disagree with yours. That says I'm not just playing badly; you're scum.
The fact that my reads agree with Pawn's but not yours say that I'm reading the game correctly and you're reading the game incorrectly. Scum have strong reason to read the game incorrectly. Therefore you are either scum or incompetent, and I don't think of you as an incompetent player. Nor have you twigged me as playing unusually badly this game.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:37 pmlet me get this straightEvenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:28 pmI doublechecked my read list against pawn's because I know he's good at reading games, and usually does so fairly truthfully regardless of alignment. His reads agree with mine, and disagree with yours. That says I'm not just playing badly; you're scum.
pawn's reads make me scum
???????
*confused math lady*
OK, this honestly sounds like very towny progression.Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:28 pmI doublechecked my read list against pawn's because I know he's good at reading games, and usually does so fairly truthfully regardless of alignment. His reads agree with mine, and disagree with yours. That says I'm not just playing badly; you're scum.
ok thank you. I think she's likely town then just wildly misguided
fair. I don't remember her making charts in wc1 thoughPawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:31 pmShe makes charts all the time regardless of alignment. There's many things she does that are AI, this isn't one of them.
I didn'tPawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:33 pmAnd hm. Would it be angleshooting to check spec chat if she spectated D1 of finals? Since Eva did a lot of them there so if she watched that game she shouldn't be asking this question as town.
they're usually too much effort when I'm scumnutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:41 pmfair. I don't remember her making charts in wc1 thoughPawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:31 pmShe makes charts all the time regardless of alignment. There's many things she does that are AI, this isn't one of them.
So your logic is because I disagree with two other townies (and I'm not even convinced pawn is one) then I can't possibly be town.Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:34 pmno, because I and Pawn agree, and you disagree with both of us, you're scum. Your perspective of the game is not a town perspective. That or Pawn's pocketed me extremely hard, but I've barely interacted with him this game so I seriously doubt that.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:23 pmoh.Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:57 pmArrows indicate read given by person in the center
Background color of the bubble is my read
dark green: town
green: townlean
light blue: towny
grey: null
pink: scummy
orange: scumlean
red: scum
as you can see, my reads and nutella's reads disagree a lot.
so because we disagree I have to be scum?
no
Not that I necessarily agree with it. But it feels real.Benson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:40 pmOK, this honestly sounds like very towny progression.Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:28 pmI doublechecked my read list against pawn's because I know he's good at reading games, and usually does so fairly truthfully regardless of alignment. His reads agree with mine, and disagree with yours. That says I'm not just playing badly; you're scum.
This is such garbage lol. Why are pawn's reads "correct" this is so egotistical. And sure maybe my reads are wrong, like I said I'm not feeling very strongly about a lot of them. Give me a goddamn break.Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:40 pmThe fact that my reads agree with Pawn's but not yours say that I'm reading the game correctly and you're reading the game incorrectly. Scum have strong reason to read the game incorrectly. Therefore you are either scum or incompetent, and I don't think of you as an incompetent player. Nor have you twigged me as playing unusually badly this game.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:37 pmlet me get this straightEvenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:28 pmI doublechecked my read list against pawn's because I know he's good at reading games, and usually does so fairly truthfully regardless of alignment. His reads agree with mine, and disagree with yours. That says I'm not just playing badly; you're scum.
pawn's reads make me scum
???????
*confused math lady*
I'm too lazy to go get the walter white gif but yeah no that's not how this works. Wolves are encouraged to be differently wrong so that coordination doesn't become obvious.
Pawn's reads are correct because he's good at mafia. The fact they largely-but-not-entirely agree with mine also helps.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:45 pmThis is such garbage lol. Why are pawn's reads "correct" this is so egotistical. And sure maybe my reads are wrong, like I said I'm not feeling very strongly about a lot of them. Give me a goddamn break.Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:40 pmThe fact that my reads agree with Pawn's but not yours say that I'm reading the game correctly and you're reading the game incorrectly. Scum have strong reason to read the game incorrectly. Therefore you are either scum or incompetent, and I don't think of you as an incompetent player. Nor have you twigged me as playing unusually badly this game.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:37 pmlet me get this straightEvenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:28 pmI doublechecked my read list against pawn's because I know he's good at reading games, and usually does so fairly truthfully regardless of alignment. His reads agree with mine, and disagree with yours. That says I'm not just playing badly; you're scum.
pawn's reads make me scum
???????
*confused math lady*