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Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:14 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:10 pm I guess I've assumed that the OG 4 punks all had the same vanilla ability: a separate chatroom where they started the game, and the ability to vote together to rb another player. Would anyone disagree with me on this assumption?

actually i can breathe fire and sing the alphabet backwards

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:14 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:12 pm lmao the nutella marmot team is gettin extremely persuasive rn

alison don't roleclaim pls

okay, you are on the wrong track but I believe that you believe this

I think Alison is onto TL/TSP as the most likely team rn

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:14 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:12 pm lmao the nutella marmot team is gettin extremely persuasive rn

alison don't roleclaim pls

we're not even trying to hide it anymore

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:15 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:13 pm Actually, why the hell would TSP want to lock Quin up today?

I assume that's the same as the Macdougal/Alison locking up from the other day.

oh wait I totally forgot that he had claimed that too LMAO

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] after the sloonei thing you claimed giving positive/negative effect thingies, is this in addition to your apparent ability to remove people from the thread?

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:17 pm**

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

channeling my inner mac to say that i've solved the game and you can all go home now

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:17 pm**

I think it's just like.... 95% the team is two of TSP/TL/Marmot

There's like a very very thin possibility of Alison/Quin completely fucking with me but I think I just trust them now and it's two of the above

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:18 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:17 pm [VOTE: marmot] aubergine

channeling my inner mac to say that i've solved the game and you can all go home now

It's harder for me to conceptualize Marmot worlds because of his unique position as bridge between OG thread and punks. I know you think I'm mafia with him but that's not the case, so setting that aside do you think he must be mafia with another OG threader, or could the other one be TL from your pov?

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:18 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:17 pm [VOTE: marmot] aubergine

channeling my inner mac to say that i've solved the game and you can all go home now

idontknowwhatyouredoingbutidontlikethis

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:19 pm**

I feel like TSP has basically just been outed by mechanics and excuses are being made around that and he's disappeared without explanation and we should just yeet him into the sun lol

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:21 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:19 pm I feel like TSP has basically just been outed by mechanics and excuses are being made around that and he's disappeared without explanation and we should just yeet him into the sun lol

I'm a little confused about his brief presence in the thread, but I suppose we can wait on the yeeting

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:22 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:19 pm I feel like TSP has basically just been outed by mechanics and excuses are being made around that and he's disappeared without explanation and we should just yeet him into the sun lol

Yeah, I'm getting to the point where I'm running out of ideas that point anywhere other than TSP being scum who had their nightkill RB'd by us. I'm okay with just yeeting him right now if you guys want to.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:22 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:18 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:17 pm [VOTE: marmot] aubergine

channeling my inner mac to say that i've solved the game and you can all go home now
It's harder for me to conceptualize Marmot worlds because of his unique position as bridge between OG thread and punks. I know you think I'm mafia with him but that's not the case, so setting that aside do you think he must be mafia with another OG threader, or could the other one be TL from your pov?

Possibly. I've also suspected him since before I even got into the thread though so like, he's a lynch priority for me.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:23 pm**

And even if TSP is somehow town, I feel like yeeting TSP here is the correct play regardless so that we can get some insight into what happened/what's happening.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:25 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:23 pm And even if TSP is somehow town, I feel like yeeting TSP here is the correct play regardless so that we can get some insight into what happened/what's happening.

I'm not bringing us into LYLO just to get information.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:26 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:22 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:19 pm I feel like TSP has basically just been outed by mechanics and excuses are being made around that and he's disappeared without explanation and we should just yeet him into the sun lol
Yeah, I'm getting to the point where I'm running out of ideas that point anywhere other than TSP being scum who had their nightkill RB'd by us. I'm okay with just yeeting him right now if you guys want to.

I still don't think that's the best idea since we can't talk during night.

Also, TL hasn't chimed into the thread yet.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:27 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:25 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:23 pm And even if TSP is somehow town, I feel like yeeting TSP here is the correct play regardless so that we can get some insight into what happened/what's happening.
I'm not bringing us into LYLO just to get information.

I think TSP is scum. If he's around for LYLO, I'm always voting him.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:30 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:27 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:25 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:23 pm And even if TSP is somehow town, I feel like yeeting TSP here is the correct play regardless so that we can get some insight into what happened/what's happening.
I'm not bringing us into LYLO just to get information.
I think TSP is scum. If he's around for LYLO, I'm always voting him.

Who killed Sloonei?

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:32 pm**

@Quin

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:53 pm Being roleblocked gives you a "you were roleblocked message". We know this because TSP came into the thread asking why he got blocked.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:59 pm anyway if you believe that lost wolf is in the punk gang and can't kill until they're sole scum then TSP is mechanically cleared given he was roleblocked night before last.
TSP did not claim being blocked the night before last. Ergo he was not blocked the night before last, and your roleblock failed somehow. So TSP is not mechanically confirmed.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:40 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:32 pm @Quin
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:53 pm Being roleblocked gives you a "you were roleblocked message". We know this because TSP came into the thread asking why he got blocked.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:59 pm anyway if you believe that lost wolf is in the punk gang and can't kill until they're sole scum then TSP is mechanically cleared given he was roleblocked night before last.
TSP did not claim being blocked the night before last. Ergo he was not blocked the night before last, and your roleblock failed somehow. So TSP is not mechanically confirmed.

Where did Poison claim he was blocked?

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:40 pm**

sorry, she*

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:46 pm**

From earlier, Quin:

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:41 pm who blocked me and why is quin still here

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:51 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:46 pm From earlier, Quin:
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:41 pm who blocked me and why is quin still here

You will see my point when you answer my question.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:56 pm**

Oh wait...

Poison.

We blocked Poison N1.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:58 pm**

Then how did TSP know you blocked him today? He asked "who blocked me" so he can't have known by reading the thread, since if he had he'd know who blocked him.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:00 pm**

Poison wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:42 am @Poison who is mafia?
Hmm.. I don't know the answer yet. I think I don't see Alison as bad as I was seeing her before. I'll be reading the thread again.

I visited mac last night but nothing happened. I wonder if it is because of my role's probabilities or it had something to do with him being outside the thread rn.

No RB message it looks like, but it looks like the roleblock might have gone through?

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:01 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:58 pm Then how did TSP know you blocked him today? He asked "who blocked me" so he can't have known by reading the thread, since if he had he'd know who blocked him.

Maybe it's because he tried locking Quin up last night and it didn't go through? And the punk gang also confirmed that we could RB people yesterday.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:03 pm**

TSP came into this thread knowing he was blocked.

He didn't know who blocked him, which means he didn't acquire that information by reading the thread.

Ergo nanook sent him a message saying he was blocked.

TSP did not claim a block N2.

Ergo nanook did not send him a message saying he was blocked.

We know the block only works sometimes, and operates by some secret mechanic nobody knows anything about.

Occam's Razor: TSP was not blocked N2 because of [however the block mechanic works], and neither was Poison. TSP was blocked N3 because he got the "blocked" message.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:05 pm**

Another note: TSP cannot have been blocked N2. He claimed to visit Sloonei and originally thought he gave Sloonei the note and/or killed him. Meaning that he thought his visit on Sloonei was successful, meaning that he did not get a "blocked" message.

I don't know why the block failed N2, but it must have. There's no other explanation that makes sense based on the claims we have on the table.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:05 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:03 pm TSP came into this thread knowing he was blocked.

He didn't know who blocked him, which means he didn't acquire that information by reading the thread.

Ergo nanook sent him a message saying he was blocked.

TSP did not claim a block N2.

Ergo nanook did not send him a message saying he was blocked.

We know the block only works sometimes, and operates by some secret mechanic nobody knows anything about.

Occam's Razor: TSP was not blocked N2 because of [however the block mechanic works], and neither was Poison. TSP was blocked N3 because he got the "blocked" message.

How else could his night action (locking up Quin) be stopped then?

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:06 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:05 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:03 pm TSP came into this thread knowing he was blocked.

He didn't know who blocked him, which means he didn't acquire that information by reading the thread.

Ergo nanook sent him a message saying he was blocked.

TSP did not claim a block N2.

Ergo nanook did not send him a message saying he was blocked.

We know the block only works sometimes, and operates by some secret mechanic nobody knows anything about.

Occam's Razor: TSP was not blocked N2 because of [however the block mechanic works], and neither was Poison. TSP was blocked N3 because he got the "blocked" message.
How else could his night action (locking up Quin) be stopped then?

He tried to lock up Quin N3. He was blocked N3, but not N2.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:07 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:06 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:05 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:03 pm TSP came into this thread knowing he was blocked.

He didn't know who blocked him, which means he didn't acquire that information by reading the thread.

Ergo nanook sent him a message saying he was blocked.

TSP did not claim a block N2.

Ergo nanook did not send him a message saying he was blocked.

We know the block only works sometimes, and operates by some secret mechanic nobody knows anything about.

Occam's Razor: TSP was not blocked N2 because of [however the block mechanic works], and neither was Poison. TSP was blocked N3 because he got the "blocked" message.
How else could his night action (locking up Quin) be stopped then?
He tried to lock up Quin N3. He was blocked N3, but not N2.

He was blocked both N2 AND N3.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:07 pm**

TSP's claimed actions:

N1 - Lock up Alison (no block, no target, went through)
N2 - Use a mysterious positive effect on Sloonei (targeted with a roleblock, but was not blocked - didn't receive a blocked message - we can't confirm whether or not his action went through)
N3 - Lock up Quin (targeted with a roleblock, but was blocked for sure - Quin wasn't locked up)

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:07 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:07 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:06 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:05 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:03 pm TSP came into this thread knowing he was blocked.

He didn't know who blocked him, which means he didn't acquire that information by reading the thread.

Ergo nanook sent him a message saying he was blocked.

TSP did not claim a block N2.

Ergo nanook did not send him a message saying he was blocked.

We know the block only works sometimes, and operates by some secret mechanic nobody knows anything about.

Occam's Razor: TSP was not blocked N2 because of [however the block mechanic works], and neither was Poison. TSP was blocked N3 because he got the "blocked" message.
How else could his night action (locking up Quin) be stopped then?
He tried to lock up Quin N3. He was blocked N3, but not N2.
He was blocked both N2 AND N3.

Our blocks were,
N1 Poison
N2 TSP
N3 TSP

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:08 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:07 pm He was blocked both N2 AND N3.

No, you targeted him N2 and N3, but he didn't get a block message N2. He did get a block message N3. That suggests that the roleblock did not work N2 - and Marmot said that whether or not the roleblocks work are determined by an unknown mechanic.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:08 pm**

If he got a blocked message N2 he would not come out assuming that he was responsible for giving the note to and/or killing Sloonei.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:10 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:08 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:07 pm He was blocked both N2 AND N3.
No, you targeted him N2 and N3, but he didn't get a block message N2. He did get a block message N3. That suggests that the roleblock did not work N2 - and Marmot said that whether or not the roleblocks work are determined by an unknown mechanic.

TSP, did you receive a block message? I assumed that you assumed that you got blocked since there wasn't any indication in the day opening post that anybody was locked up today like when Mac and Alison were locked up the other day.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:11 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:08 pm If he got a blocked message N2 he would not come out assuming that he was responsible for giving the note to and/or killing Sloonei.

Nanook said in the day opening post that you and Mac got locked up the day it happen. o: I thought that was TSP. That happened D2, right?

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:11 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:19 pm I feel like TSP has basically just been outed by mechanics and excuses are being made around that and he's disappeared without explanation and we should just yeet him into the sun lol

I have class now someone tell me what's happening before I chop you

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:12 pm**

I am in class right now by the way so

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:12 pm**

I don't know if I was blocked on night 2. I thought I was, Marmot appears to have changed the story. I was definitely blocked on night 3 or else Quin has some sort of protection.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:13 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:11 am Sorry for the delay, sometimes the universe is a slow place. Something something the value of patience.

In the night! @Syn dies, and they flip as:

Loyal Sidekick

You are aware that [redacted] is town (they do not know your alignment). The first time they would die (except to TK) you will die in their place.

You are town, and you win when all the mafia are eliminated
In addition! @Alison has been removed from the thread today. She cannot vote or be voted for.

In addition! @MacDougall has been removed from the thread today. He cannot vote or be voted for.

[mention]Alison[/mention]
There wasn't a message like this at the beginning of the day today, and TSP is suggesting that he tried locking up Quin last night.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:14 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:08 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:07 pm He was blocked both N2 AND N3.
No, you targeted him N2 and N3, but he didn't get a block message N2. He did get a block message N3. That suggests that the roleblock did not work N2 - and Marmot said that whether or not the roleblocks work are determined by an unknown mechanic.

I did not gdet a block message either night.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:16 pm**

Unless Alison knows that blocks come with block messages

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:16 pm**

In which case I also didn't get blocked last night

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:19 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:12 pm TSP pls more info pls aaaaaaaaa

I've given a whole lot of info.
targets:
1) alison
2) sloonei
3) quin

I additionally have one shot bulletproof but don't get infromed if I've been shot, which in the absence of other possibilities is what I'm assuming happened.
I wrote a big strategy guide for what to do after quin got locked up and we were in pseudo F5 but this also appears to not be necessary.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:20 pm**

nutella be like "alright so if we shoot tsp and he dies he was tellin the truth"

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:21 pm**

How the fuck did you know you were blocked but not who blocked you

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:22 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:37 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:36 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:34 pm Alison, you have not commented on my receiving knowledge that I can kill you. Any reaction, or perhaps insight on why your role might be a target?
I don't know why my role might be a target. I theorized before that it targeted roles with the suffix "Man" and mine doesn't have "Man" in it. Not sure what else I can say about it other than "don't shoot me" :P
And "if you are thinking of shooting me, give me some time to drop legacy reads first" I guess, although I think it's never right to shoot me in this gamestate when we are fairly sure there's at least 1 wolf in the punks and the mafia kill didn't happen on a night TSP was supposedly roleblocked

it also /did/ happen on a night TSP was supposedly role blocked

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:22 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:21 pm How the fuck did you know you were blocked but not who blocked you

Quin

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:22 pm**

If you saw enough of the thread to know quin was in it wouldn't you have seen that the punk gang openly claimed a block on you

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