The Syndicate

But it's not the end of the world if I get chopped here obviously. It's totally fine. Need to remind myself of that. I don't know what I'm doing lol

If you find yourself in that situation as town sometimes the optimal thing to do is nothing. Wait and watch. You should realistically have a better vantage point for who is being opportunistic. If I am scumreading you it's probably likely you have been pocketed by scum or someone has had TMI on you. You should be able to feel out who has been benefiting most from me scumreading you.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:15 pm Rondo (5): Lime Coke, Lag, Dyslexicon, Dragon D. Luffy, Mizery
Dizzy (4): NotAnAxehole, MacDougall, srceenplay, RondoDimBuckle
Arcbell (1): porscha
Jack (1): HK
Axe (1): Arcbell
Porscha (1): Jack

I could see everyone on my wagon being town (3p), No need for mafia to get on if Mac is town and leading the charge.

Lag caring about voting Rondo over me, I find towny. As well as his play overall here.

I'm looking more so at the outside voters here.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:52 pmI think DDL is cleared. Not only were they on falcon but falcon died on them. I don't see that as being paired.
I didn't read a lot of D1 and ended up just sheeping my top town reads (dizzy/seanzie) for the chop.

What changer your view of DDL?

Do you have an overall world view of the game right now?

What do you think of Porscha & Jack's EoD votes (both days)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:50 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:15 pm Rondo (5): Lime Coke, Lag, Dyslexicon, Dragon D. Luffy, Mizery
Dizzy (4): NotAnAxehole, MacDougall, srceenplay, RondoDimBuckle
Arcbell (1): porscha
Jack (1): HK
Axe (1): Arcbell
Porscha (1): Jack

I could see everyone on my wagon being town (3p), No need for mafia to get on if Mac is town and leading the charge.

Lag caring about voting Rondo over me, I find towny. As well as his play overall here.

I'm looking more so at the outside voters here.

a lot of falcon non voters outside there iirc

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:17 pmAbove quote edited for clarity.

It is.

It is though. I can often find town NAA. I'm not saying he can't be town but I haven't seen a reason for him to be.

I haven't either irrc.

I've actually found him somewhat towny. He was picking apart (I think) your reads, and how you camped then in ways that didn't make sense to him. So I actually do see invested and consistent solving, even if it's going ways I don't agree with.

Hollowkatt would be swimming with the fishes right now if not for the fact that I know I'd be dead n1 100% of the time if he had a choice. So at best he's maf 3p.

If Dizzy got taken off the table I'd probably put a bullet in Arcbell first.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:05 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:10 pm Dizzy stole the screenplay read off me holus bolus.

Dizzy's Porscha read is nonsense.

Him being mad that I 3p read him flies given I now think he's packwolf.

Dizzy spent most of day 2 acting like convincing me he was town was the most important thing in the universe. To the complete absolution of solving the game.

What is dizzy's porscha read? You mean the P A I N thing? Yea I agree that's a bit *out there* but perhaps too out there for a wolf to focus on. I think he knows people find it to be a strange read.

I mean all game he's seemed frustrated about not being able to find solid reads himself and he's been open about wanting to sheep you. Maybe you have meta I don't, does dizzy never do this? It doesn't look to me like this is a new sheep trait he's just revealing to you now.

Mac should have meta you don't.

Me not finding suspects and imploding because of it is a staple of my town play. It happened in champs. It happens all the time. I want people to be town when I'm town. Even more than before, I feel mafia is a silly game, cause we go off accusing each other, and most of it is probably delusion and crap. I don't even know why I get so upset. Or rather, I get upset, cause if it's one thing I can avoid it's getting needlessly mischop for literally no fucking reason.

I admit I have not solved the game excellently. I'm not claiming to. I sheeped Sean (and even Mac's complaint actually) on Falcon after reviewing Falcon again. Because Sean is just better than me at reads.

I'm going to get my shit together though. Because I'm not actually a bad player. I just get annoyed and tell myself I can't do anything.

Not really in the thread but I glanced at my notifs and wanted to respond to this.

Lack of confidence in reads doesn't mean you're doing worse than other players, it just means you're not feeling pressured to inflate your confidence. Ground state? We are all just as lost as you are. You just keep doing you okay

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:56 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:52 pmI think DDL is cleared. Not only were they on falcon but falcon died on them. I don't see that as being paired.
I didn't read a lot of D1 and ended up just sheeping my top town reads (dizzy/seanzie) for the chop.

What changer your view of DDL?

Do you have an overall world view of the game right now?

I was trying to be spicy. it didn't work.

[VOTE: nuthin] aubergine
my overall world view is this:


also in the spoiler before anyone else says it all I have are townies:

you
mac
lag
jack
ddl
arc
srceen

leaves
mizery
naa
porscha

and I don't know which of those I want to vote for

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:19 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:04 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:02 pm Did we lose?

depends are you a wolf?

What do you think and why?

I've noticed you reading me correctly a lot of time. I'm curious.

from checking my notifications:

I think I've gotten pretty good at reading you, or it's TMI not sure which

Mizery wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:44 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:27 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:19 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:17 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:15 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:13 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:12 pm

My vote on your isn't a policy vote.

You've been

feels like you're trying to push "absence = wolf" here.

You've not been entirely absent, but like, I could basically copy paste the post I made from last game where I correctly wolf-read you there.

And the same logic applies here. You have no fire

legit

Where's the HK from Deck Mafia's revenge of the 3p?

you mean the one that was wrong on just about everyone? who wasn't listening, who didn't try to work with others, who thought he had all the answers? that HK?
I killed him, he's an asshole.

sorry, the new hk can't come to the phone right now. why? because he's dead

^^

everyone not me viewing the thread are either dead, bots, or arcbell

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:06 pm Hollowkatt would be swimming with the fishes right now if not for the fact that I know I'd be dead n1 100% of the time if he had a choice. So at best he's maf 3p.

If Dizzy got taken off the table I'd probably put a bullet in Arcbell first.

I'm hurt, sir, that you underestimate my pocketing skills that much.
I N1 Seanzie every time

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:56 pm What do you think of Porscha & Jack's EoD votes (both days)

Jack and Porscha both had no vote on D1. I guess they didn't get to it in time.
Actually, I don't know if that is right, because Rondo posted a screen cap where Poscha voted Rondo on D1, but it's not in the final vote count.

Simple experience is - If mafia is chopped D1, there will be mafia on the wagon. If town is chopped, mafia is usually outside wagons.

When Porscha was last seen in thread, the Falcon wagon was already pretty huge. I don't think think she mentioned it, and hardly talked about Falcon at all. However, I don't really find this scummy. I don't know if I should? I guess my logic is that you would feel pressured to say at least something if you knew a mafia was getting wagoned big time.

Jack's votes towards the EoD2 is Lag, NAA and Porscha. Seems like he's trying to vote away from me and Rondo.

Jack/Porscha doesn't look like it's a thing. Jack voted her 7 min before EoD, I followed. But I do think it's conceivable that Porscha could be run down. There was a lot of chaos during EoD.

This is not concluding anything. Still in process.

Maybe you don't want to explain, but why do you think Jack is mafia?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:16 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:56 pmWhat changer your view of DDL?

Do you have an overall world view of the game right now?

I was trying to be spicy. it didn't work.

What does that mean?

What did you have in mind?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:35 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:16 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:56 pmWhat changer your view of DDL?

Do you have an overall world view of the game right now?

I was trying to be spicy. it didn't work.

What does that mean?

What did you have in mind?

I mean I didn't really wolf read DDL at all but wanted to do something flashy to either get engagement or drive discussion but neither of those things happened.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:31 pm Jack/Porscha doesn't look like it's a thing. Jack voted her 7 min before EoD, I followed. But I do think it's conceivable that Porscha could be run down. There was a lot of chaos during EoD.

They wouldn't know of each other's existence given that Falcon was the team mafia, yeah?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:37 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:31 pm Jack/Porscha doesn't look like it's a thing. Jack voted her 7 min before EoD, I followed. But I do think it's conceivable that Porscha could be run down. There was a lot of chaos during EoD.

They wouldn't know of each other's existence given that Falcon was the team mafia, yeah?

correct, wolf 3p is unknown to the wolf team

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:37 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:31 pm Jack/Porscha doesn't look like it's a thing. Jack voted her 7 min before EoD, I followed. But I do think it's conceivable that Porscha could be run down. There was a lot of chaos during EoD.

They wouldn't know of each other's existence given that Falcon was the team mafia, yeah?

Well, yeah. Unless Jack 3p. Knowing of each other only goes one way. Though the mafia might have a good idea.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:36 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:35 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:16 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:56 pmWhat changer your view of DDL?

Do you have an overall world view of the game right now?

I was trying to be spicy. it didn't work.

What does that mean?

What did you have in mind?

I mean I didn't really wolf read DDL at all but wanted to do something flashy to either get engagement or drive discussion but neither of those things happened.

I just cussed out Mac and acted dumb instead. For the flashing. Hawt tbh

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:41 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:37 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:31 pm Jack/Porscha doesn't look like it's a thing. Jack voted her 7 min before EoD, I followed. But I do think it's conceivable that Porscha could be run down. There was a lot of chaos during EoD.

They wouldn't know of each other's existence given that Falcon was the team mafia, yeah?

Well, yeah. Unless Jack 3p. Knowing of each other only goes one way. Though the mafia might have a good idea.

do you think the 3p would want to signal here or not? I was thinking about that in my fevered half-sleep this afternoon and couldn't come to a decision

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:43 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:36 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:35 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:16 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:56 pmWhat changer your view of DDL?

Do you have an overall world view of the game right now?

I was trying to be spicy. it didn't work.

What does that mean?

What did you have in mind?

I mean I didn't really wolf read DDL at all but wanted to do something flashy to either get engagement or drive discussion but neither of those things happened.

I just cussed out Mac and acted dumb instead. For the flashing. Hawt tbh

what can I say, horny dizzy is town dizzy
soz I don't make the rules. Everyone get off dizzy now plx

I looked through NAA's iso, and I don't think it's scummy. Leaning towny for him.

Every time I try to explore "but could it be this person", I don't come away feeling great about them being mafia. When this happened to me last game, it was because mafia was in the ones I (and the whole thread) was not considering. This would be DDL and Screen for me at this time. Still have a very hard time seeing that.

I'm feeling rather neutral on Jack, Mizery and Porscha. Honestly, it doesn't feel quite correct to vote HK, but my reasoning for voting him is the best I have.

I have some tangible reasons to think Mac, Lag, NAA are town.

Arc is pocketing me hard. I will be very sad if he's mafia.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:47 pmdo you think the 3p would want to signal here or not? I was thinking about that in my fevered half-sleep this afternoon and couldn't come to a decision

No, I don't think they would want that. Would think most people would find it too risky, and also not that likely to be picked up on.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:48 pmI have some tangible reasons to think Mac, Lag, NAA are town.

Not this being my exact wagon hahahah

I still don't know why I was voted D2 or why I'm being voted now. I know they've said words about it, but nothing that I can understand. So if any of you have specific questions to me or anything, go for it.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:48 pm I looked through NAA's iso, and I don't think it's scummy. Leaning towny for him.

Every time I try to explore "but could it be this person", I don't come away feeling great about them being mafia. When this happened to me last game, it was because mafia was in the ones I (and the whole thread) was not considering. This would be DDL and Screen for me at this time. Still have a very hard time seeing that.

I'm feeling rather neutral on Jack, Mizery and Porscha. Honestly, it doesn't feel quite correct to vote HK, but my reasoning for voting him is the best I have.

I have some tangible reasons to think Mac, Lag, NAA are town.

Arc is pocketing me hard. I will be very sad if he's mafia.

did jacks wagon dissipate yesterday b/c he showed up and did things or did it just kinda "vaguely shimmies away"

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:53 pmdid jacks wagon dissipate yesterday b/c he showed up and did things or did it just kinda "vaguely shimmies away"

Probably a combination.

However, I don't know if that is a sign of much, because if a mafia is wagoned here, there's only one other mafia to sway things, who may or may not know that the player being wagoned is mafia.

I would like to hear and understand a lot more from @Porscha @Mizery @srceenplay and @Dragon D. Luffy about all of their reads right now.

I'm not that much clearer, but I'm calmer.

I'm sorry for acting like and asshole @MacDougall and everyone.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:54 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:53 pmdid jacks wagon dissipate yesterday b/c he showed up and did things or did it just kinda "vaguely shimmies away"

Probably a combination.

However, I don't know if that is a sign of much, because if a mafia is wagoned here, there's only one other mafia to sway things, who may or may not know that the player being wagoned is mafia.

yeah
I think it more says jack likely town. like ok, if there was a concerted effort to shift the wagon then maybe that's wolf indicative. If there was a concerted effort to dismantle the wagon or the wagon just kinda "shimmies away" then it's town indicative. Most of the time I find wanting to shift a wagon is a wolf save thing whereas dismantling the wagon (ala hey friends jack is town do something else) then it's likely town indicative

with all that said I'm going back to bed. I hope to be here for EOD

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:58 pm with all that said I'm going back to bed. I hope to be here for EOD

Same.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:28 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:06 pm Hollowkatt would be swimming with the fishes right now if not for the fact that I know I'd be dead n1 100% of the time if he had a choice. So at best he's maf 3p.

If Dizzy got taken off the table I'd probably put a bullet in Arcbell first.

I'm hurt, sir, that you underestimate my pocketing skills that much.
I N1 Seanzie every time

why?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:36 pm Can we stop contemplating who has better reads?

Objectively killing Falcon was good, killing Rondo was very very bad. These are objective measures that affect winrate. Everything else is unknown information and it's unnecessary to mock someone over their reads hypothetically being worse than these other hypothetical reads.

Calling killing rondo "very very bad" is pretty lol seeing as he wasn't being actively helpful though harmful. I wouldn't call it a very very good thing but the only very very bad vote for yesterday would have been brad.

A more calm response to your suspicion on me @MacDougall

It's an extremely hollow suspicion. On D2 it looked to me basically like you just had the thought that I might be 3p mafia, and so you said so and found a reason. I think the only reason you used was because I had a very early, thin town read on Falcon, which I revised. But why would I do that as mafia specifically and never as town? (This concerns you too, @NotAnAxehole) Handing out early town reads based on vibes or thin reasoning is something I always do. Clearly, I was drunk lol, but I don't think there was anything wrong with what I was doing. I changed my min on Falcon because of Sean and because of what you said about Falcon, specifically his bs gripe about you. And I looked back at my reason for town reading him on page 1 and realised it wasn't a reason. There's nothing wrong with that.

I think you also have a problem with my Rondo read. But I have no problem with it and I stand behind it. I was pretty stubborn at first, cause I wanted him to be mafia, since I had already thought of him paired with Falcon and so had Sean. But I did read in the iso you gave me, and I did see his overall free play as more likely town. However, I did not at all get the feeling that he cared whether he voted town or scum. Like, I didn't think he suspected me, though he said so at points and voted me. And guess what, he wasn't town. And that was the immediate reaction I got when he came into the thread. No team spirit. So maybe you're sad that he was chopped because he was town siding 3p, but I don't think he counts towards town numbers. But I do. So I don't think the problems I had with Rondo was unwarranted, first of all. And second, the picture your painting of me getting him chopped is straight up wrong. Cause I didn't want any of us to get chopped and I tried voting Mizery, HK and Porscha before him. I did not fight very hard to stay alive either. I just thought the whole thing was tragic.

What makes it extra frustrating is that when I asked all the other three voters why they were voting me, cause literally nobody gave a reason, they all said they were just sheeping you or each other.

So, today you've said I'm mafia instead of 3p mafia. And it looks like just the same thing: You had that thought and now you're saying it. And then everything I post is just "no, no reasonable town would say that that's scummy". It's full on confirmation bias galore. You even said I copied your Screen read which is fully wrong. Not necessarily on purpose, but when you make a strong accusation you should actually fact check a bit, especially when everyone else is lost and will just sheep you or whoever. Like, you can't just say things lol. So from my perspective, I'm just dealing with you just having a belief (that I'm scum) and then go finding reasons here and there, but it doesn't actually correlate with reality. Which is fiiiine, cause that is what mafia is. But that's also why I'm so hesitant to accuse people hard. Cause it's just so annoying when it's wrong and it just feels ugh to me. More so lately than before.

The only thing I've done wrong this game is I haven't yet solved it. And nobody else has either. (Except getting overly angry and not being able to control my emotions and insulting you and NAA, which is wrong and I'm sorry.)

No I have better reasons than what you're saying but I don't really think they're strong enough for you not to rebuke despite me thinking they're good.

I thought you were the 3p initially because you were playing in a unique way that was like yin to Rondo's yan and I could tell Rondo was the town 3p.

I also find your handling of suspicion in this game to be extremely defensive. You are more interested in shielding others and perpetuating the prevalent "game is hard" mentality that the mafia 3p would want to push so as to extend the game as long as possible to find the coin.

I thought your shitting on me during the eod state was super scummy ate on others. Using me as a punching bag to protect town.

I find your lack of productive scum hunting on day 2 bad.

I find your approach to attacking me and expressing that I have no good read on you or that my reasons suck to be insincere given I've not supplied any. From the get go rather than asking me to elaborate or trying to read me in good faith you instead just shat on me.

But I do townread you now in spite of all of that. Because I buy your emo reaction. In spite of wishing I didn't.

I suggest we solve one of screenplay and arcbell today and the other tomorrow if we miss.

@MacDougall

If you think Jack is a wolf, why not push there today instead of Dizzy?

My read accuracy is probably garbage.

Mac
Arcbell
Dizzy
DDL
NAA
Srceenplay
Porscha
HK
Jack
Mizery

I am also inclined to go full Alison and policy the people that are just 1-posting today

Vote me

call your reads trash

say we should policy people

[VOTE: Lag] aubergine

Just played the worst turbo of my life i want to die

lol wow gamers nice progression since I was gone

Lag wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:25 am @MacDougall

If you think Jack is a wolf, why not push there today instead of Dizzy?

My read accuracy is probably garbage.

Mac
Arcbell
Dizzy
DDL
NAA
Srceenplay
Porscha
HK
Jack
Mizery

Cuz outside of associations I think Arcbell is more of a wolf and there is a minor chance they're difference checked to Screenplay too.

okay uuuuuuh part of my low post score is that I have no strong reads on any player being scum or town and without any grounding reads idk what i'm doing but liiiiike i'll make a list of what I think anyway

okay uuuuuuh part of my low post score is that I have no strong reads on any player being scum or town and without any grounding reads idk what i'm doing but liiiiike i'll make a list of what I think anyway

from town to scum:

dragon
lag
naa
dizzy
mac
srceen
HK
arc
jack
mizery

these are all leans I don't feel particularly strongly about any of them............

I hardclaim joat n1 mac v

oh

Mizery wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:12 am I hardclaim joat n1 mac v

so you're mech clearing mac as vt?