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Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:52 pm
by Esooa
Porscha wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:50 pm
Esooa wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:47 pm
Porscha wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:45 pm plus lily is just another person with no votes on her prior to me, so let's go down the list and pressure check. if we are all in agreement that the wagons are not currently not hitting wolves based on gamestate
I liked her post about me earlier where she said I was being rly towny lol, think it came at a reasonable time, but I dunno.

I really don't want a zero poster in this game Jack should prob just die
red alert... red alert... you have been compromised... red alert...
lmao I can be comprised for at least a day though right :lovelove:

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:53 pm
by Lilypetal
esooa knows me so well uwu

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:53 pm
by Porscha
Esooa wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:52 pm
Porscha wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:50 pm
Esooa wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:47 pm
Porscha wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:45 pm plus lily is just another person with no votes on her prior to me, so let's go down the list and pressure check. if we are all in agreement that the wagons are not currently not hitting wolves based on gamestate
I liked her post about me earlier where she said I was being rly towny lol, think it came at a reasonable time, but I dunno.

I really don't want a zero poster in this game Jack should prob just die
red alert... red alert... you have been compromised... red alert...
lmao I can be comprised for at least a day though right :lovelove:
you are suddenly very cutesy

holy shit maybe you're actually compromised

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:54 pm
by Sabiplz
Porscha wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:53 pm
Esooa wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:52 pm
Porscha wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:50 pm
Esooa wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:47 pm
Porscha wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:45 pm plus lily is just another person with no votes on her prior to me, so let's go down the list and pressure check. if we are all in agreement that the wagons are not currently not hitting wolves based on gamestate
I liked her post about me earlier where she said I was being rly towny lol, think it came at a reasonable time, but I dunno.

I really don't want a zero poster in this game Jack should prob just die
red alert... red alert... you have been compromised... red alert...
lmao I can be comprised for at least a day though right :lovelove:
you are suddenly very cutesy

holy shit maybe you're actually compromised
You do know they are like in a relationship right?

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:54 pm
by Sabiplz
Simps in mafia, disgusting. Who would ever do that.....

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:56 pm
by hollowkatt
achro/mac are never pack mates. I might be late to the party with that read but what I see on page 33-34 makes that almost impossible.

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:58 pm
by Sabiplz
hollowkatt wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:56 pm achro/mac are never pack mates. I might be late to the party with that read but what I see on page 33-34 makes that almost impossible.
I think they can because achro has treated his partners that way.

I don't have enough info on Mac to verify that for him.

This all could be scum theater tbf.

Anyway HK, reads updates.

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:59 pm
by Sabiplz
I miss @DrWilgy

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:02 am
by Sabiplz
@Porscha rhoughts on HK comment about neither achro/mac being aligned with eahc other?

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:03 am
by Esooa
lmao wtf I just saw that sabi was at 341 posts

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:04 am
by Sabiplz
Esooa wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:03 am lmao wtf I just saw that sabi was at 341 posts
I have a problem lol

I'm going to shut up now for rest of the night till tomorrow morning.

Sorry for talking alot

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:05 am
by Porscha
Sabiplz wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:02 am @Porscha rhoughts on HK comment about neither achro/mac being aligned with eahc other?
ya I don't think they are w/w. possible v/v in addition to possible v/w

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:05 am
by hollowkatt
Esooa wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:49 pm
hollowkatt wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 8:59 pm
Neon wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:58 pm
hollowkatt wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:49 pm The people being pressured seem to not care at all about being pressured. So that's interesting
Is that generally more towny or scummy in your opinion? Or just NAI?

I have an answer but wanna see what you think.
ok. There's little resistance to the existing wagons (achro, santy, ender), no other wagons have really been floated to take pressure off of any of them, and "we" seem to be collectively going "meh these chops are fine" which is basically because they're just less town read than other people are.

I think that there not being push-back or reversed pressure to change the wagons means either we're on the right path with at least one of them (possibly two doubt all three) OR we've got three townies wagoned and wolves don't give a fuck.

Achro seems to be pretty passively accepting of his wagon. I don't know his wolf game, I've never seen it, but this doesn't jibe with what I've seen of his town game. I do know he's had a lot of games lately and that can lead to a shifting of process and whatnot to be more idgaf about things so I'm reluctant to push him solely on that. I do think he's got wolf potential.

Santygrass is taking the "come at me bro" strategy of dealing with wolf reads and wagons. Funny enough though I don't recall Santy snarking back towards people who aren't me. Not sure how I feel about that. I served him up a softball earlier that wasn't even swung at in fact santy leaned into "my iso is shit" vs trying to pull anything that would indicate caring or solving. That seems antithetical to what town in that position would be trying to do. I get he might be busy so I'm not saying some kind of volume or presence read, but combine lack of presence with lack of content and I come to skating by. Def can be chopped, is probably a wolf.

Then there's Ender who dropped off a cliff once he started receiving some legitimate pressure instead of just "ender bad" but "ender bad and here's why" and while I don't associate that with his wolf game (I towned against his wolf in a game on The Org) it's not anything I associate with his town game either. I compared Santy to Ladd earlier and said "Ender is the only one who'd recognize this" but I lied. Visor would as well as he hosted that game. Dunno how much spec he was doing but I think that's worth pointing out.

Then there's some additional wagons that weren't there, or weren't leading at the time I last looked at the thread:

Jackofhearts - I get this wagon. He hasn't posted, killing him is a-ok with me.

Macdougall - I town read this ausie sonuva and I get lots don't, I'm not sure I care much about that though.
Neither of these two players care at all about their wagons but I can't read into that. Jack b/c he hasn't posted and Mac b/c he literally never cares.

I think we're right on two of {achro, ender, santy} at most, very likely only one, and very likely it's not achro. If we were right on all three there would be more wagon ideas floated than there currently are, mac/jack I don't think count, but it's super convenient that there's a zero poster isn't it?

I think it's more town indicative than wolf indicative. Problem is I can't clear/solve santy or ender as they're currently posting. Achro at least is giving us content.
the start of this post made me town read you and all the rest made me wolf read you lol
:shrug:

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:06 am
by hollowkatt
Sabiplz wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:58 pm
hollowkatt wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:56 pm achro/mac are never pack mates. I might be late to the party with that read but what I see on page 33-34 makes that almost impossible.
I think they can because achro has treated his partners that way.

I don't have enough info on Mac to verify that for him.

This all could be scum theater tbf.

Anyway HK, reads updates.
the only new addition is that visor is playing like someone purchased his account on Wish.com
Boring and not what was pictured

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:07 am
by Sabiplz
Porscha wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:05 am
Sabiplz wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:02 am @Porscha rhoughts on HK comment about neither achro/mac being aligned with eahc other?
ya I don't think they are w/w. possible v/v in addition to possible v/w
I guess I'm in the minority of the whole w/w wagon thing.

V/v is plausible esp because both are ego and pride driven players that suffer from main character syndrome.

Are you saying that both v/w and w/v have equal chance or it varies?

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:08 am
by Sabiplz
hollowkatt wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:06 am
Sabiplz wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:58 pm
hollowkatt wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:56 pm achro/mac are never pack mates. I might be late to the party with that read but what I see on page 33-34 makes that almost impossible.
I think they can because achro has treated his partners that way.

I don't have enough info on Mac to verify that for him.

This all could be scum theater tbf.

Anyway HK, reads updates.
the only new addition is that visor is playing like someone purchased his account on Wish.com
Boring and not what was pictured
Do you think it's AI?

If it helps he played like this in our last two games that ended this week. One of each alignment.

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:08 am
by hollowkatt
Sabiplz wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:00 pm
Achromatic wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:56 pm
Sabiplz wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:55 pm OK I'm bored of the achro x mac dick measuring contest.

Can we get new content in the thread?
Why is it that when I suspect someone and they overreact I'm always accused of being in a dick measuring contest?

I'd never enter one of those I'd lose every time.
The overreaction: Mac is still a wolf

Wowee.
Is this an overreaction or just Mac being his normal self when I troll him?

Because this is his normal reaction.
never get in between Mac and pooping, or Mac and dicks

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:11 am
by Esooa
I don't think we're going to hit a wolf today lol

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:11 am
by hollowkatt
Sabiplz wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:07 am
Porscha wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:05 am
Sabiplz wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:02 am @Porscha rhoughts on HK comment about neither achro/mac being aligned with eahc other?
ya I don't think they are w/w. possible v/v in addition to possible v/w
I guess I'm in the minority of the whole w/w wagon thing.

V/v is plausible esp because both are ego and pride driven players that suffer from main character syndrome.

Are you saying that both v/w and w/v have equal chance or it varies?
The longer it goes on the more I think there's a wolf between the two. Both Mac and Achro are fully capable of re-evaluating and pulling out of tunnels should they want to, so the more they dig in the more I think for sure one of them is a villager and one of them is not.

I think if it's w/w they've already sold it and it should have died down to a simmer at this point with one (or both) of them taking the occasional pot shot but it's still at a rolling boil which is indicative that at least one is town

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:12 am
by Porscha
Sabiplz wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:07 am
Porscha wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:05 am
Sabiplz wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:02 am @Porscha rhoughts on HK comment about neither achro/mac being aligned with eahc other?
ya I don't think they are w/w. possible v/v in addition to possible v/w
I guess I'm in the minority of the whole w/w wagon thing.

V/v is plausible esp because both are ego and pride driven players that suffer from main character syndrome.

Are you saying that both v/w and w/v have equal chance or it varies?
yes if I had to imagine a scenario where both mac and achro were town who did not mindmeld each other, it would look like this

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:13 am
by Esooa
my only rly strong town reads rn are Sabi and Porscha

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:13 am
by hollowkatt
Sabiplz wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:08 am
hollowkatt wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:06 am
Sabiplz wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:58 pm
hollowkatt wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:56 pm achro/mac are never pack mates. I might be late to the party with that read but what I see on page 33-34 makes that almost impossible.
I think they can because achro has treated his partners that way.

I don't have enough info on Mac to verify that for him.

This all could be scum theater tbf.

Anyway HK, reads updates.
the only new addition is that visor is playing like someone purchased his account on Wish.com
Boring and not what was pictured
Do you think it's AI?

If it helps he played like this in our last two games that ended this week. One of each alignment.
it's disappointing, not AI
that said, visor is the kind of player where not having at least some kind of spicy take is strange and should be examined

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:14 am
by hollowkatt
Esooa wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:13 am my only rly strong town reads rn are Sabi and Porscha
they're not bad town reads to have

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:14 am
by Esooa
@risiinq- why are you voting me

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:16 am
by Esooa
hollowkatt wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:14 am
Esooa wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:13 am my only rly strong town reads rn are Sabi and Porscha
they're not bad town reads to have
do you think Neon would vote jack if they're both wolves?

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:16 am
by Porscha
Sabiplz wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:07 am
Porscha wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:05 am
Sabiplz wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:02 am @Porscha rhoughts on HK comment about neither achro/mac being aligned with eahc other?
ya I don't think they are w/w. possible v/v in addition to possible v/w
I guess I'm in the minority of the whole w/w wagon thing.

V/v is plausible esp because both are ego and pride driven players that suffer from main character syndrome.

Are you saying that both v/w and w/v have equal chance or it varies?
I forgot to answer the second part. I think v/w and w/v are both still possible but I am more inclined to t read mac over r reading achro, if I have insist on them not being t/t

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:17 am
by hollowkatt
Esooa wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:10 pm
Esooa wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:49 pm
hollowkatt wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 8:59 pm
Neon wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:58 pm
hollowkatt wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:49 pm The people being pressured seem to not care at all about being pressured. So that's interesting
Is that generally more towny or scummy in your opinion? Or just NAI?

I have an answer but wanna see what you think.
ok. There's little resistance to the existing wagons (achro, santy, ender), no other wagons have really been floated to take pressure off of any of them, and "we" seem to be collectively going "meh these chops are fine" which is basically because they're just less town read than other people are.

I think that there not being push-back or reversed pressure to change the wagons means either we're on the right path with at least one of them (possibly two doubt all three) OR we've got three townies wagoned and wolves don't give a fuck.

Achro seems to be pretty passively accepting of his wagon. I don't know his wolf game, I've never seen it, but this doesn't jibe with what I've seen of his town game. I do know he's had a lot of games lately and that can lead to a shifting of process and whatnot to be more idgaf about things so I'm reluctant to push him solely on that. I do think he's got wolf potential.

Santygrass is taking the "come at me bro" strategy of dealing with wolf reads and wagons. Funny enough though I don't recall Santy snarking back towards people who aren't me. Not sure how I feel about that. I served him up a softball earlier that wasn't even swung at in fact santy leaned into "my iso is shit" vs trying to pull anything that would indicate caring or solving. That seems antithetical to what town in that position would be trying to do. I get he might be busy so I'm not saying some kind of volume or presence read, but combine lack of presence with lack of content and I come to skating by. Def can be chopped, is probably a wolf.

Then there's Ender who dropped off a cliff once he started receiving some legitimate pressure instead of just "ender bad" but "ender bad and here's why" and while I don't associate that with his wolf game (I towned against his wolf in a game on The Org) it's not anything I associate with his town game either. I compared Santy to Ladd earlier and said "Ender is the only one who'd recognize this" but I lied. Visor would as well as he hosted that game. Dunno how much spec he was doing but I think that's worth pointing out.

Then there's some additional wagons that weren't there, or weren't leading at the time I last looked at the thread:

Jackofhearts - I get this wagon. He hasn't posted, killing him is a-ok with me.

Macdougall - I town read this ausie sonuva and I get lots don't, I'm not sure I care much about that though.
Neither of these two players care at all about their wagons but I can't read into that. Jack b/c he hasn't posted and Mac b/c he literally never cares.

I think we're right on two of {achro, ender, santy} at most, very likely only one, and very likely it's not achro. If we were right on all three there would be more wagon ideas floated than there currently are, mac/jack I don't think count, but it's super convenient that there's a zero poster isn't it?

I think it's more town indicative than wolf indicative. Problem is I can't clear/solve santy or ender as they're currently posting. Achro at least is giving us content.
the start of this post made me town read you and all the rest made me wolf read you lol
bored enough to explain this

Basically I've noticed too the way wagons have been pretty boring, obviously with my flash wagon comments I was hoping we'd get 10, 13, maybe even up to 20 votes on someone, but the most that's happened is like 4, and that's a really pathetic number. So there's an easy conclusion you take from that:

Wolves aren't really being that pressured, because then you would get more intrigue, maybe more pressure to get a higher vote wagon or just wolf votes contributing to that. Instead what we have is like, nothing. And HK doesn't really seem to agree

HK says
I think that there not being push-back or reversed pressure to change the wagons means either we're on the right path with at least one of them (possibly two doubt all three) OR we've got three townies wagoned and wolves don't give a fuck.
which also on it's own doesn't really make sense to me, because why would 1-2 wolves being wagoned not be cause for push back or pressure other places? And especially when you look at these wagons, none of Ender/Achro/Santy are actually pushing each other. Idk, I was thinking about it and figure it's just too early in the day to really care, but like the only thing I could figure about the wagons was that it's less likely any particular person here is a wolf and HK just feels like he misses that/glossed over it to keep things the way they are in a bad way
Did you miss the part at the end where I said I think it's more town indicative than wolf indicative and that while I think I can sort Achro I am struggling to sort Santy/Ender which is why I still want to vote for both of them?
Like that seems to disprove your conclusion there unless you think I should be more vocal in pushing alternate wagons in which case I'd say "sure, get on one of Santy/Ender"

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:18 am
by hollowkatt
Esooa wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:16 am
hollowkatt wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:14 am
Esooa wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:13 am my only rly strong town reads rn are Sabi and Porscha
they're not bad town reads to have
do you think Neon would vote jack if they're both wolves?
yeah I think she would

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:18 am
by Achromatic
I will say me trying to compromise with Mac on ender and then suddenly Mac going in a different direction feels more like something than it does nothing.

I am fine with all pressure wagons though because sure, why not.

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:18 am
by Esooa
I still feel like mac isn't there to being town for me yet. Like what's he done really? This game has just been him getting mad over stuff me and Achro have done lol, and it was basically encapsulated in a few posts yesterday and then a bit today. More today but it's still like.. in my mind the question "what has Mac done" is answered by a couple posts yesterday and for the most part one track today that obviously I think is bad. And he usually does stuff like this as town with me but I feel like he should've moved on by now

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:19 am
by Lilypetal
Esooa wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:13 am my only rly strong town reads rn are Sabi and Porscha
woah same

this is why we are both town

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:19 am
by Esooa
hollowkatt wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:17 am
Esooa wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:10 pm
Esooa wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:49 pm
hollowkatt wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 8:59 pm
Neon wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:58 pm
hollowkatt wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:49 pm The people being pressured seem to not care at all about being pressured. So that's interesting
Is that generally more towny or scummy in your opinion? Or just NAI?

I have an answer but wanna see what you think.
ok. There's little resistance to the existing wagons (achro, santy, ender), no other wagons have really been floated to take pressure off of any of them, and "we" seem to be collectively going "meh these chops are fine" which is basically because they're just less town read than other people are.

I think that there not being push-back or reversed pressure to change the wagons means either we're on the right path with at least one of them (possibly two doubt all three) OR we've got three townies wagoned and wolves don't give a fuck.

Achro seems to be pretty passively accepting of his wagon. I don't know his wolf game, I've never seen it, but this doesn't jibe with what I've seen of his town game. I do know he's had a lot of games lately and that can lead to a shifting of process and whatnot to be more idgaf about things so I'm reluctant to push him solely on that. I do think he's got wolf potential.

Santygrass is taking the "come at me bro" strategy of dealing with wolf reads and wagons. Funny enough though I don't recall Santy snarking back towards people who aren't me. Not sure how I feel about that. I served him up a softball earlier that wasn't even swung at in fact santy leaned into "my iso is shit" vs trying to pull anything that would indicate caring or solving. That seems antithetical to what town in that position would be trying to do. I get he might be busy so I'm not saying some kind of volume or presence read, but combine lack of presence with lack of content and I come to skating by. Def can be chopped, is probably a wolf.

Then there's Ender who dropped off a cliff once he started receiving some legitimate pressure instead of just "ender bad" but "ender bad and here's why" and while I don't associate that with his wolf game (I towned against his wolf in a game on The Org) it's not anything I associate with his town game either. I compared Santy to Ladd earlier and said "Ender is the only one who'd recognize this" but I lied. Visor would as well as he hosted that game. Dunno how much spec he was doing but I think that's worth pointing out.

Then there's some additional wagons that weren't there, or weren't leading at the time I last looked at the thread:

Jackofhearts - I get this wagon. He hasn't posted, killing him is a-ok with me.

Macdougall - I town read this ausie sonuva and I get lots don't, I'm not sure I care much about that though.
Neither of these two players care at all about their wagons but I can't read into that. Jack b/c he hasn't posted and Mac b/c he literally never cares.

I think we're right on two of {achro, ender, santy} at most, very likely only one, and very likely it's not achro. If we were right on all three there would be more wagon ideas floated than there currently are, mac/jack I don't think count, but it's super convenient that there's a zero poster isn't it?

I think it's more town indicative than wolf indicative. Problem is I can't clear/solve santy or ender as they're currently posting. Achro at least is giving us content.
the start of this post made me town read you and all the rest made me wolf read you lol
bored enough to explain this

Basically I've noticed too the way wagons have been pretty boring, obviously with my flash wagon comments I was hoping we'd get 10, 13, maybe even up to 20 votes on someone, but the most that's happened is like 4, and that's a really pathetic number. So there's an easy conclusion you take from that:

Wolves aren't really being that pressured, because then you would get more intrigue, maybe more pressure to get a higher vote wagon or just wolf votes contributing to that. Instead what we have is like, nothing. And HK doesn't really seem to agree

HK says
I think that there not being push-back or reversed pressure to change the wagons means either we're on the right path with at least one of them (possibly two doubt all three) OR we've got three townies wagoned and wolves don't give a fuck.
which also on it's own doesn't really make sense to me, because why would 1-2 wolves being wagoned not be cause for push back or pressure other places? And especially when you look at these wagons, none of Ender/Achro/Santy are actually pushing each other. Idk, I was thinking about it and figure it's just too early in the day to really care, but like the only thing I could figure about the wagons was that it's less likely any particular person here is a wolf and HK just feels like he misses that/glossed over it to keep things the way they are in a bad way
Did you miss the part at the end where I said I think it's more town indicative than wolf indicative and that while I think I can sort Achro I am struggling to sort Santy/Ender which is why I still want to vote for both of them?
Like that seems to disprove your conclusion there unless you think I should be more vocal in pushing alternate wagons in which case I'd say "sure, get on one of Santy/Ender"
yeah you say that but you also say you think there's 1 or maybe 2 in them lol

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:20 am
by hollowkatt
Esooa wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:19 am
hollowkatt wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:17 am
Esooa wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:10 pm
Esooa wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:49 pm
hollowkatt wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 8:59 pm
Neon wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:58 pm
hollowkatt wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:49 pm The people being pressured seem to not care at all about being pressured. So that's interesting
Is that generally more towny or scummy in your opinion? Or just NAI?

I have an answer but wanna see what you think.
ok. There's little resistance to the existing wagons (achro, santy, ender), no other wagons have really been floated to take pressure off of any of them, and "we" seem to be collectively going "meh these chops are fine" which is basically because they're just less town read than other people are.

I think that there not being push-back or reversed pressure to change the wagons means either we're on the right path with at least one of them (possibly two doubt all three) OR we've got three townies wagoned and wolves don't give a fuck.

Achro seems to be pretty passively accepting of his wagon. I don't know his wolf game, I've never seen it, but this doesn't jibe with what I've seen of his town game. I do know he's had a lot of games lately and that can lead to a shifting of process and whatnot to be more idgaf about things so I'm reluctant to push him solely on that. I do think he's got wolf potential.

Santygrass is taking the "come at me bro" strategy of dealing with wolf reads and wagons. Funny enough though I don't recall Santy snarking back towards people who aren't me. Not sure how I feel about that. I served him up a softball earlier that wasn't even swung at in fact santy leaned into "my iso is shit" vs trying to pull anything that would indicate caring or solving. That seems antithetical to what town in that position would be trying to do. I get he might be busy so I'm not saying some kind of volume or presence read, but combine lack of presence with lack of content and I come to skating by. Def can be chopped, is probably a wolf.

Then there's Ender who dropped off a cliff once he started receiving some legitimate pressure instead of just "ender bad" but "ender bad and here's why" and while I don't associate that with his wolf game (I towned against his wolf in a game on The Org) it's not anything I associate with his town game either. I compared Santy to Ladd earlier and said "Ender is the only one who'd recognize this" but I lied. Visor would as well as he hosted that game. Dunno how much spec he was doing but I think that's worth pointing out.

Then there's some additional wagons that weren't there, or weren't leading at the time I last looked at the thread:

Jackofhearts - I get this wagon. He hasn't posted, killing him is a-ok with me.

Macdougall - I town read this ausie sonuva and I get lots don't, I'm not sure I care much about that though.
Neither of these two players care at all about their wagons but I can't read into that. Jack b/c he hasn't posted and Mac b/c he literally never cares.

I think we're right on two of {achro, ender, santy} at most, very likely only one, and very likely it's not achro. If we were right on all three there would be more wagon ideas floated than there currently are, mac/jack I don't think count, but it's super convenient that there's a zero poster isn't it?

I think it's more town indicative than wolf indicative. Problem is I can't clear/solve santy or ender as they're currently posting. Achro at least is giving us content.
the start of this post made me town read you and all the rest made me wolf read you lol
bored enough to explain this

Basically I've noticed too the way wagons have been pretty boring, obviously with my flash wagon comments I was hoping we'd get 10, 13, maybe even up to 20 votes on someone, but the most that's happened is like 4, and that's a really pathetic number. So there's an easy conclusion you take from that:

Wolves aren't really being that pressured, because then you would get more intrigue, maybe more pressure to get a higher vote wagon or just wolf votes contributing to that. Instead what we have is like, nothing. And HK doesn't really seem to agree

HK says
I think that there not being push-back or reversed pressure to change the wagons means either we're on the right path with at least one of them (possibly two doubt all three) OR we've got three townies wagoned and wolves don't give a fuck.
which also on it's own doesn't really make sense to me, because why would 1-2 wolves being wagoned not be cause for push back or pressure other places? And especially when you look at these wagons, none of Ender/Achro/Santy are actually pushing each other. Idk, I was thinking about it and figure it's just too early in the day to really care, but like the only thing I could figure about the wagons was that it's less likely any particular person here is a wolf and HK just feels like he misses that/glossed over it to keep things the way they are in a bad way
Did you miss the part at the end where I said I think it's more town indicative than wolf indicative and that while I think I can sort Achro I am struggling to sort Santy/Ender which is why I still want to vote for both of them?
Like that seems to disprove your conclusion there unless you think I should be more vocal in pushing alternate wagons in which case I'd say "sure, get on one of Santy/Ender"
yeah you say that but you also say you think there's 1 or maybe 2 in them lol
Are you hard clearing all three of them and if so why/how/where are the wolves?

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:21 am
by Lilypetal
neon is a wolf

source: they are frozen in wolf chat rn

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:21 am
by hollowkatt
Sabiplz wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:27 pm Yiu guise I think the Alison wagon might be a hit.
Image

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:22 am
by MacDougall
esooa trolling me is also wolfy

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:22 am
by Sabiplz
Lilypetal wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:21 am neon is a wolf

source: they are frozen in wolf chat rn
She's working right now so no.

Brad would never rwstfo.

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:22 am
by Esooa
hollowkatt wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:20 am Are you hard clearing all three of them and if so why/how/where are the wolves?
no, honestly idc about that post anymore no one else in thread cared about it and no one has and I don't rly know what to think of you myself, don't think I can solve you really, and I also saw that Ender actually is voting one of them, I think it was Santy idr, but yeah, I think of those 3 Ender maybe is a wolf, but Santy and Achro I think the wagon being stagnant applies to more and I've liked more of their posts recently anyways

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:23 am
by Lilypetal
Sabiplz wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:22 am
Lilypetal wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:21 am neon is a wolf

source: they are frozen in wolf chat rn
She's working right now so no.

Brad would never rwstfo.
sorry neon is frozen at work

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:23 am
by Esooa
Sabiplz wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:22 am
Lilypetal wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:21 am neon is a wolf

source: they are frozen in wolf chat rn
She's working right now so no.

Brad would never rwstfo.
lol well he still could have just happened to rand wolf while needing to sub out, even if I believed this

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:23 am
by hollowkatt
MacDougall wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:44 pm achro and esooa are insanely obviously paired if you are paying attention
shhhh that's a surprise tool we can use to help us later

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:23 am
by Esooa
MacDougall wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:22 am esooa trolling me is also wolfy
lmao you're lucky I'm not trolling you more cause I'm trying to be better about that this game wtf do you mean

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:24 am
by hollowkatt
Esooa wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:22 am
hollowkatt wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:20 am Are you hard clearing all three of them and if so why/how/where are the wolves?
no, honestly idc about that post anymore no one else in thread cared about it and no one has and I don't rly know what to think of you myself, don't think I can solve you really, and I also saw that Ender actually is voting one of them, I think it was Santy idr, but yeah, I think of those 3 Ender maybe is a wolf, but Santy and Achro I think the wagon being stagnant applies to more and I've liked more of their posts recently anyways
kewl
[VOTE: esooa] aubergine

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:25 am
by Lilypetal
wait esooa is top wagon lol no

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:25 am
by Porscha
Achromatic wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:18 am I will say me trying to compromise with Mac on ender and then suddenly Mac going in a different direction feels more like something than it does nothing.

I am fine with all pressure wagons though because sure, why not.
ok vote lily then

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:25 am
by MacDougall
Esooa wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:18 am I still feel like mac isn't there to being town for me yet. Like what's he done really? This game has just been him getting mad over stuff me and Achro have done lol, and it was basically encapsulated in a few posts yesterday and then a bit today. More today but it's still like.. in my mind the question "what has Mac done" is answered by a couple posts yesterday and for the most part one track today that obviously I think is bad. And he usually does stuff like this as town with me but I feel like he should've moved on by now
what's he done really?

literally wrote that sentence thinking "lol mac is going to react so violently to this"

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:25 am
by Achromatic
Esooa hello this is your daily re evaluation exam from achro. Can you quote some posts of mine you have liked lately?

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:25 am
by Sabiplz
hollowkatt wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:24 am
Esooa wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:22 am
hollowkatt wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:20 am Are you hard clearing all three of them and if so why/how/where are the wolves?
no, honestly idc about that post anymore no one else in thread cared about it and no one has and I don't rly know what to think of you myself, don't think I can solve you really, and I also saw that Ender actually is voting one of them, I think it was Santy idr, but yeah, I think of those 3 Ender maybe is a wolf, but Santy and Achro I think the wagon being stagnant applies to more and I've liked more of their posts recently anyways
kewl
[VOTE: esooa] aubergine
You abandon blade and I :(

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:25 am
by Esooa
hollowkatt wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:24 am
Esooa wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:22 am
hollowkatt wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:20 am Are you hard clearing all three of them and if so why/how/where are the wolves?
no, honestly idc about that post anymore no one else in thread cared about it and no one has and I don't rly know what to think of you myself, don't think I can solve you really, and I also saw that Ender actually is voting one of them, I think it was Santy idr, but yeah, I think of those 3 Ender maybe is a wolf, but Santy and Achro I think the wagon being stagnant applies to more and I've liked more of their posts recently anyways
kewl
[VOTE: esooa] aubergine
sorry next time you make a 5 paragraph post that says literally nothing because apparently the wagons are both meaning the people are town but they're wolves I'll just ignore it

Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:26 am
by Esooa
I'm just gonna leave for a bit