Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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I guess I see what you mean. but I don't think it makes him wolfy /shrug
I was saying that it would make sense that vanilla-izer would target Michelle, as a known PR (and a strong one at that). The fact that she wasn't (and nobody else has claimed being vanilla-ized) implies that the ice cream man either didn't use their 1-shot (seemingly risky to keep waiting longer) or it was blocked.Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 2:17 pmhuh? does vanillizer work on people who target the vanillizer?GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 8:34 amLike, that's a little strong, but I can't fathom that the Mafia wouldn't at least try to vanilla-ize Michelle last night. So unless town redirected her for some reason or someone else got vanilla-ized and hasn't shared, this is probably gonna convince me to flip pyxxy today. Unless I'm really missing somethingGoSpursGo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 8:31 amOh man that would be so savage for the mafia on top of everything else.
Though yes I do agree with that use of the IC ability, so actually if nobody got IC'd last night then I would almost consider this to be a red check on pyxxy
A couple workers in bright blue hard hats cross and one gets to talking to the other, “Well, I contend again that Michelle is a huge boon for mafia as long as the bus driver is alive, as it’s a free use of a required action they can pick the target of. I know I would not vanillize that role until absolutely necessary.”GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 2:33 pmI was saying that it would make sense that vanilla-izer would target Michelle, as a known PR (and a strong one at that). The fact that she wasn't (and nobody else has claimed being vanilla-ized) implies that the ice cream man either didn't use their 1-shot (seemingly risky to keep waiting longer) or it was blocked.Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 2:17 pmhuh? does vanillizer work on people who target the vanillizer?GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 8:34 amLike, that's a little strong, but I can't fathom that the Mafia wouldn't at least try to vanilla-ize Michelle last night. So unless town redirected her for some reason or someone else got vanilla-ized and hasn't shared, this is probably gonna convince me to flip pyxxy today. Unless I'm really missing somethingGoSpursGo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 8:31 amOh man that would be so savage for the mafia on top of everything else.
Though yes I do agree with that use of the IC ability, so actually if nobody got IC'd last night then I would almost consider this to be a red check on pyxxy
Michelle targeted pyxxy, and pyxxy is neither dead nor silenced. So either pyxxy was roleblocked, or her ability was redirected to long con as a silencer, or her ability was redirected as a roleblock to someone else. If I'm assuming the most likely scenario is that the ice cream man tried to vanilla-ize Michelle (or someone else) on N2, then it seems like Michelle probably roleblocked the ice cream man. And that means that either pyxxy *is* the ice cream man, or Michelle was redirected to the ice cream man.
There are plenty of holes in that thought process, including that maybe the ice cream man didn't want to or forgot to submit last night, so I backed off of that tinfoil a bit. But, that's what I was thinking
ah I see. yeah I think that's probably an unneeded assumption rn but I understand what you meant nowGoSpursGo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 2:33 pmI was saying that it would make sense that vanilla-izer would target Michelle, as a known PR (and a strong one at that). The fact that she wasn't (and nobody else has claimed being vanilla-ized) implies that the ice cream man either didn't use their 1-shot (seemingly risky to keep waiting longer) or it was blocked.Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 2:17 pmhuh? does vanillizer work on people who target the vanillizer?GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 8:34 amLike, that's a little strong, but I can't fathom that the Mafia wouldn't at least try to vanilla-ize Michelle last night. So unless town redirected her for some reason or someone else got vanilla-ized and hasn't shared, this is probably gonna convince me to flip pyxxy today. Unless I'm really missing somethingGoSpursGo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 8:31 amOh man that would be so savage for the mafia on top of everything else.
Though yes I do agree with that use of the IC ability, so actually if nobody got IC'd last night then I would almost consider this to be a red check on pyxxy
Michelle targeted pyxxy, and pyxxy is neither dead nor silenced. So either pyxxy was roleblocked, or her ability was redirected to long con as a silencer, or her ability was redirected as a roleblock to someone else. If I'm assuming the most likely scenario is that the ice cream man tried to vanilla-ize Michelle (or someone else) on N2, then it seems like Michelle probably roleblocked the ice cream man. And that means that either pyxxy *is* the ice cream man, or Michelle was redirected to the ice cream man.
There are plenty of holes in that thought process, including that maybe the ice cream man didn't want to or forgot to submit last night, so I backed off of that tinfoil a bit. But, that's what I was thinking
It's an open game, there shouldn't be any post restriction going on. That is how open games work here right? Everything about the setup is public knowledge? I can't fathom how "oh yeah this one slot has to use these images in their posts" would possibly work with everything else. It's just pyxxy deciding to post that way.Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 2:07 pmummmm. idk. just dont find him anymore like... idk. think if he was a wolf and he could not do image posting, he would. not sure if he HAS TO for some reason but if i'm being honest, maybe the less word make monkey brain make more sense than like tranq or long con posts?
i'm not sure I can expound on it well
I don't think that's how it works though? Unlike the town redirector, the bus driver doesn't choose the target of the action--you are switching the already determined targets of two targeted abilities.Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 2:40 pmA couple workers in bright blue hard hats cross and one gets to talking to the other, “Well, I contend again that Michelle is a huge boon for mafia as long as the bus driver is alive, as it’s a free use of a required action they can pick the target of. I know I would not vanillize that role until absolutely necessary.”GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 2:33 pmI was saying that it would make sense that vanilla-izer would target Michelle, as a known PR (and a strong one at that). The fact that she wasn't (and nobody else has claimed being vanilla-ized) implies that the ice cream man either didn't use their 1-shot (seemingly risky to keep waiting longer) or it was blocked.Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 2:17 pmhuh? does vanillizer work on people who target the vanillizer?GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 8:34 amLike, that's a little strong, but I can't fathom that the Mafia wouldn't at least try to vanilla-ize Michelle last night. So unless town redirected her for some reason or someone else got vanilla-ized and hasn't shared, this is probably gonna convince me to flip pyxxy today. Unless I'm really missing somethingGoSpursGo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 8:31 amOh man that would be so savage for the mafia on top of everything else.
Though yes I do agree with that use of the IC ability, so actually if nobody got IC'd last night then I would almost consider this to be a red check on pyxxy
Michelle targeted pyxxy, and pyxxy is neither dead nor silenced. So either pyxxy was roleblocked, or her ability was redirected to long con as a silencer, or her ability was redirected as a roleblock to someone else. If I'm assuming the most likely scenario is that the ice cream man tried to vanilla-ize Michelle (or someone else) on N2, then it seems like Michelle probably roleblocked the ice cream man. And that means that either pyxxy *is* the ice cream man, or Michelle was redirected to the ice cream man.
There are plenty of holes in that thought process, including that maybe the ice cream man didn't want to or forgot to submit last night, so I backed off of that tinfoil a bit. But, that's what I was thinking
To which the other worker wrinkled up his nose and exclaims while shaking his head, “Ittai nan da yo?!”
Hmm, Rondo was bugging me about my townread of Scotty too.
Duelist Mirage wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 2:49 pmIt's just pyxxy deciding to post that way.Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 2:07 pmummmm. idk. just dont find him anymore like... idk. think if he was a wolf and he could not do image posting, he would. not sure if he HAS TO for some reason but if i'm being honest, maybe the less word make monkey brain make more sense than like tranq or long con posts?
i'm not sure I can expound on it well
They can't pick the target though, they can just try to change it to a target they won't know. I know, it's confusing as hell and I keep forgetting because we have the same name for a similar role on MS but it functions differently.Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 2:40 pm A couple workers in bright blue hard hats cross and one gets to talking to the other, “Well, I contend again that Michelle is a huge boon for mafia as long as the bus driver is alive, as it’s a free use of a required action they can pick the target of. I know I would not vanillize that role until absolutely necessary.”
To which the other worker wrinkled up his nose and exclaims while shaking his head, “Ittai nan da yo?!”
*cries* Too late I just read it and realized I didn't need to waste my time writing it out myselfGoSpursGo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 3:07 pm Also nobody should read that post , as much as I would like to believe the mech can help us solve I’m just increasingly convinced this world makes it essentially impossible to know who targeted who with what as long as all these manipulative roles are alive
OK, maybe YOU should have read my post just so you wouldn’t waste time repeating what I saidDuelist Mirage wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 3:18 pmThey can't pick the target though, they can just try to change it to a target they won't know. I know, it's confusing as hell and I keep forgetting because we have the same name for a similar role on MS but it functions differently.Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 2:40 pm A couple workers in bright blue hard hats cross and one gets to talking to the other, “Well, I contend again that Michelle is a huge boon for mafia as long as the bus driver is alive, as it’s a free use of a required action they can pick the target of. I know I would not vanillize that role until absolutely necessary.”
To which the other worker wrinkled up his nose and exclaims while shaking his head, “Ittai nan da yo?!”
If mafia bus driver targeted Michelle and you, they wouldn't change her to target you, that's a Redirector. They would make her target whoemever you tried targeting, and you would target whomever she tried targeting. I assume that if both parties don't have a targeting ability, the role would just fail.
Technically, if mafia had a role that could target someone, they could bus drive that player with Michelle in order to redirect Michelle's target to theirs, but then whomever Michelle targeted would get hit with the mafia action. And the only mafia action that can possibly do that is the 1-shot vanillize so idk that that'd even be something worth risking even if they had the action available and thought to do that, getting vanillaized is a lot worse than getting silenced or possibly worse than getting blocked.
but yes you get it
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2026 11:28 pmRondo nods slowly at the terse reply and continues to prepare the tea. Two cups are gently moved into place in an eye catching but smooth slow motion. "Ah, completely understandable." Rondo would say, while not understanding his aim to keep the tranquil atmosphere of the Ceremony intact
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
The whirring of the after-work commuting vehicles hiss by: “Oh you right you right. I’ve played with and designed bus drivers in my games and I still somehow go cross eyed with it. So that is not controllable for mafia like I thought. And I also acknowledge your clarification too @Duelist MirageGoSpursGo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 2:52 pmI don't think that's how it works though? Unlike the town redirector, the bus driver doesn't choose the target of the action--you are switching the already determined targets of two targeted abilities.Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 2:40 pmA couple workers in bright blue hard hats cross and one gets to talking to the other, “Well, I contend again that Michelle is a huge boon for mafia as long as the bus driver is alive, as it’s a free use of a required action they can pick the target of. I know I would not vanillize that role until absolutely necessary.”GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 2:33 pmI was saying that it would make sense that vanilla-izer would target Michelle, as a known PR (and a strong one at that). The fact that she wasn't (and nobody else has claimed being vanilla-ized) implies that the ice cream man either didn't use their 1-shot (seemingly risky to keep waiting longer) or it was blocked.Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 2:17 pmhuh? does vanillizer work on people who target the vanillizer?GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 8:34 amLike, that's a little strong, but I can't fathom that the Mafia wouldn't at least try to vanilla-ize Michelle last night. So unless town redirected her for some reason or someone else got vanilla-ized and hasn't shared, this is probably gonna convince me to flip pyxxy today. Unless I'm really missing something
Michelle targeted pyxxy, and pyxxy is neither dead nor silenced. So either pyxxy was roleblocked, or her ability was redirected to long con as a silencer, or her ability was redirected as a roleblock to someone else. If I'm assuming the most likely scenario is that the ice cream man tried to vanilla-ize Michelle (or someone else) on N2, then it seems like Michelle probably roleblocked the ice cream man. And that means that either pyxxy *is* the ice cream man, or Michelle was redirected to the ice cream man.
There are plenty of holes in that thought process, including that maybe the ice cream man didn't want to or forgot to submit last night, so I backed off of that tinfoil a bit. But, that's what I was thinking
To which the other worker wrinkled up his nose and exclaims while shaking his head, “Ittai nan da yo?!”
So for example:
Scenario 1: A redirector targets Michelle and Player X. Michelle targets player Y. The result is that Michelle is now targeting player X, and nothing happens to player Y (at least nothing as the result of Michelle's action).
Scenario 2: A bus driver targets Michelle and Player X. Michelle targets player Y. If player X does not have a targeted ability, NOTHING HAPPENS; Michelle still targets player Y. If player X targeted player Z, then THE TARGETS FOR MICHELLE AND PLAYER X ARE SWITCHED. The result is that Michelle is now targeting player Z, and player X is targeting player Y.
In scenario 2, the mafia only controls Michelle's target if player X is also Mafia. And the only targeted abilities that the mafia have left are the ice cream man and the factional kill, neither of which they would likely want to risk having get redirected to mafia (i.e. player Y in this scenario, who Michelle originally targeted, is mafia).
Edited because I highlighted text and it hurt my eyes
There's a little more justification for pyxxy, just because Trek actively tried to save them on D2.
GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 4:13 pmThere's a little more justification for pyxxy, just because Trek actively tried to save them on D2.
But yeah, we're sort of just flapping around in the wind here. If LC is town I wish they would do something to help us find them. pyxxy is at least trying, but I'm not sure it has really helped when so many other players are pretty towny.
Can you make the case or remind me where you made it? I only immediately saw your dubz case.
GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 4:23 pmCan you make the case or remind me where you made it? I only immediately saw your dubz case.
I'm not completely opposed to that wagon since I was making the push on D2. But to me LC and Epig sort of exist in the same space of being "wolfy," but for different reasons and nothing specifically pairing them with Nicole/Trek
Rondo rises from the table and gracefully exits from the room as if to say If you know, you know. Leaving the tea and the view to bask in the tranquility of the momentDuelist Mirage wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 2:52 pmHmm, Rondo was bugging me about my townread of Scotty too.
What's up with that, Rondo? Are you concerned about Scotty?
Machinasai, Rondo-san! The shogun is interested in this matter and requires an answer!RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 7:24 pmRondo rises from the table and gracefully exits from the room as if to say If you know, you know. Leaving the tea and the view to bask in the tranquility of the momentDuelist Mirage wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 2:52 pm Hmm, Rondo was bugging me about my townread of Scotty too.
What's up with that, Rondo? Are you concerned about Scotty?
I have laid down amongst the cherry trees and awoken refreshed enough by the scent of their blossoms to peruse Long Con's brief ISO. I find that his absence does indeed feel likely to be a wolf who is not bothering to show up when his team starts sinking- he showed every sign of being active and engaged at the start of the game, although his posting was mostly just roleplay rather than game-related content. Furthermore, once he does start getting into some content, most of it is rather wolf-shaped and there's very little to find as towny.
It should not take a rocket scientist to realize that Michelle is indeed using 'brave' sardonically there, which is ironic given Long Con's claim to be some sort of inventor! This post is staying rather hands-off but encouraging Michelle to point suspicion at those voters, which is probably just a collection of townies plus pyxxy, so it looks not too good now.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 4:19 pmAh, the SBPC! I have corresponded with them often. Vanderlan da Silva Bolzani is a friend of mine, you know. Brilliant woman. Though I confess I am not entirely certain what the Brazilian Society for the Progress of Science has to do with our present predicament. Perhaps I have misunderstood an acronym. It happens more often than I care to admit.
More importantly, Michelle, are you suspicious of any of the people voting for the low-posting players? I cannot tell whether "brave" is admiration or whether you see something questionable in those wagons.
And then we have this exchange with me, where he is apparently trying to imply that I'm a multiball wolf! I initially thought that was perhaps a lightly towny creativity in thought (and moreso after it became clear it's not multiball), but looking harder now, he's just piggybacking on leetic's comment and trying to dig something incriminating-looking out of it. While leetic's post itself was the sort of wording fake gotcha that wolves tend to be inclined to dig into, Long Con going in on it more and not backing off after I thwap him with the hilt of my katana and tell him that it's obviously referring to Scotty is at least as wolfy! But it's also a bit unpairing from leetic, and his defense of leetic in subsequent posts is even moreso. So I would submit that a red Long Con flip is further points in leetic's favor. He's defending leetic, whom nobody thought was towny, but also asking people to explain why nutella is towny, this is a rather strange perspective and thus more likely to be fake!Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 10:12 pmBEEP. BEEP. BEEP. BEEP.leetic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 9:45 pmIsn't everyone's alignment unknown?Duelist Mirage wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 9:15 pmBeing able to shamelessly exist in the state where Epi's posting does not seem good but also pushing him for it does not seem good, because his alignment is unknownleetic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 8:31 pmWhat exactly is the "nuance" here?Duelist Mirage wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 8:21 pmThat he has nuanced towny thoughts rather than say, perhaps trying to point out a "contradiction" in order to have something to push, like wolves are more likely to do?
Oh! Oh my. One moment, please. The Perspective Discrepancy Module has never actually done that before.
"Because his alignment is unknown."
Interesting choice of words, Duelist. Unknown to whom, exactly? From a Town perspective, everyone's alignment is unknown. But you seem to be separating Epi into a particular category of player whose alignment you don't know.
[VOTE: duelist] aubergine
Duelist Mirage wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 8:53 pmNo, gims is right, how is it that you can be confident Long Con is town?It's not. Um, didn't you vote someone else up until the last minute when you were getting wagoned in the Unhinged game?
lol I was gonna apologize for bloating this thread, but now I see it was a smaller game with closed nights so I’m not the problem after allDuelist Mirage wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 9:30 pm This is Long Con as wolf a few months ago: https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/searc ... 1&sr=posts
He made a total of 14 posts over the final week (two day phases) that he was alive after I went down on d2, all very brief. He completely vanished for over a full day before making his final post in the game, which contained a claim that he was busy. I find it to be plenty similar to his disappearance here, not the opposite!
Damn, I'm trying my best here. If it were up to me I never would have left the water!GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2026 10:19 pmOh you're here.Dubz wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2026 6:47 pm Crashes into the thread like it's an expensive high rise
RAAAAWWWWWRRRRRR
I see people are interested in LC today! Maybe I can redeem myself!
PS I have read nothing except host posts, hopefully will return a bit later tonight to be more useful. I make no promises though, I am but a very, very giant salamander, and we are not known for our intellect.
[VOTE: long con] aubergine
I feel like the depth of your roleplaying is stunted. How unfortunate. Of course, not every world can be as rich as the realm of Hyrule
